Firearms

I Love Cheap Guns…And I am not Afraid to Admit It!

Raven Arms .25 Semi-automatic pistol

I suppose it is time for a confession. I have a long documented problem. In truth, it is not so much a problem as it is an addiction. Perhaps problem and addiction are really one in the same, but I digress and do not find value in arguing the semantics at any rate. My addiction is not so open that my family has ever seen fit to hold an intervention although it would have the makings of a titillating reality show.

Raven Arms .25 Semi-automatic pistol
Terrible safety, wimpy caliber and fake pearl grips fit for pimp…maybe. Although it was one of the original Saturday night Specials, it has utility—especially with a price tag of about $125!

Surprisingly, my wife—who normally seems to plot ways to vex my safe-stuffing, gun-hoarding efforts at every turn—supports my addiction, not openly mind you, but she encourages it passively (more the carrot than stick I normally receive when she discovers I have yet again succumbed to my passion). I have spent countless hours scouring the web, lurking on discussion boards and hinting to friends within my inner circle, but there simply does not seem to be a self-help group for my particular affliction. Am I alone? Or do others suffer silently as I do? You see, as embarrassing as this is to admit publicly, I like cheap guns. I am drawn to the fiscally responsible firearm. I seek out the deals others scoff at or plug their collective noses as they pass. Like my wife after an excursion to the shoe or jewelry store, when confronted with the evidence I simply claim, “It just followed me home. I didn’t encourage or feed it or anything. I told it ‘no’ but it wouldn’t listen. I ran all the way home and made several turns in an attempt to evade, but somehow it still followed me.” I really do not see how I am to blame given all of my efforts.

Hi Point .40 caliber pistol
HI Points do not carry the highest of recommendations, but a large caliber for about $150 that also serves as a club when you run out of ammo and the author could not resist. Run ball ammo and the Hi Point shoots great.

Just to be clear, yes I own, carry and regularly shoot custom GLOCKs. I have a sufficient number of SIG Sauers to adequately arm a platoon. A custom rifle (or two) may, possibly, perhaps, be tucked in the hard to reach—and harder to see corners of the gun safes—that is the nether regions where the wife is reluctant to check… I have been known to order multiples of the same model shotgun or AR. After all, it is all about the furniture—as much as the platform—that makes the build fun. Right? Still, while my collection is filled with fine shooting firearms, I am drawn to cheap guns. I am into anything scoffed at by the masses and often slandered by the moniker Saturday Night Special. Without going into too much detail, examples include offerings such as the .25 Raven, Phoenix Arms .25, .380 Cobra, Mosin Nagant and of course the crown jewel of low-dollar firearms Hi-Point. My addiction started at a young age—mostly out of need. I was a college student, loved to shoot and kept a case of ramen noodles figuring it could get me through for at least a couple of weeks in a pinch, but the tradeoff was worth a new pistol here and there.

Sig Sauer P250 sub compact
Cheap does not have to mean rock bottom. SIG Sauers are not normally associated with “cheap.” However, by comparison, the SIG P250 is significantly cheaper than previous models and still feature SIG’s “To Hell and Back” reliability.

When the budget was beyond strained, I needed to count pennies. Checking under the couch cushions was a wasted effort and given the budget, I had no doubt about which side of tracks I resided. This made security a high priority, and second only to a biscuit or two to stretch the wrinkles in my tummy.

Times change and hard work was eventually rewarded with a few amenities, but fond memories of cheap guns still remain. It is an addiction I am happy to let live; one that I still feel comfortable giving a home. I’ll admit it, friends discover my cache of budget arms and shoot me a look like I had an untreated tick on my forehead. However, to me, it is a tick with a name, sorta like a stray that just followed me home. Who could blame me for being a softie?

Do you have a particular addiction to firearms? Perhaps a gun you tend to hide from a spouse or friends? It’s time to come out of the gun closet and share it with us in the comment section.

[dave]

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Comments (79)

  1. I share your addiction to “cheap guns”. In this day and age, some budget guns are extremely well built and packed with features. Some, of course, are not. Funny too, you mentioned Phoenix arms and hi point. Two of my favs as well. Both have been extremely reliable and fun.

    Screw gun snobbery. Lol.

  2. I just traded a Browning Buckmark camper for a Cobra derringer 38 SPL. Did I take a loss? Yes I did. Do I care? “Looks down at Cobra with rosewood grips”, no I don’t, I’m in fact happy as can be. In fact even with the occasional miss fire the cobra is leaps and bounds more reliable than my lemon buckmark.

  3. My wife is 5 foot 90 pounds and handles her LCP .380, my Walther PPK .32, or 2 inch Colt Cobra (+P 158gr. SWHP) like they were .22lr out of a six inch barrel. Granted the last two aren’t cheap but are small. my small chheps are a Rock Island 206 (.38 Spec) or a Charter arms bulldog (.44 Spec.) with no recoil problem, but at 6′ 4″, 300, would any be expected?

  4. Be careful of the 380 in small pocket guns like ruger lcp and Keltec p3at, any of the guns of this size, recoil pretty substantial, 9mm in larger handguns like Glock 17,19 will not feel as stout, if anyway possible try before u buy. Also just a suggestion, the little Keltec p32 has recoil bout like a 22,but ammo can be pricey, just my 2 cents worth, good luck

  5. As a first time gun buyer, whose budget is extremely thin, I’m looking at the cheaper guns. Anything more then 250 is really stretching it, though I’d love to get a bond arms girl mini. However, I feel that I’m buying a gun to learn to shoot and have in my home just in case. I will get my concealed carry permit later once I’m comfortable.

    I’m quite liking the idea of a 22 to start or 380 because lower recoil is ideal for me. Thanks for this piece on the cheap guns. I appreciate it, and hopefully one day my budget will be to the point that I can get the derringer and sig sauer that I want.

  6. I must admit I am also a lover of low budget fire arms, don’t get me wrong I am not saying “Cheap and Dangerous ” I am saying no big pile of $$$$$ to own something that shoots.

    Yes I’ve done the Mosin route, the Kimber route, the Savage Stevens route but I also own more high end weapons but there is just something about finding that quirky deal now and then, like a 7.62X54r caliber rifle for under $100.00, that’s just unheard of but they are out there.

    I enjoy picking up a low cost 12 gage and spending a couple bills to see what I can build it into, ie: cheap field shot gun into a Home defense tactical 12 gage, I think of them as model kits for grown boys.

    I think there are many Low budget Collectors like myself out there, nothing wrong with it, I am also a fan of 22Lr versions of AK’s AR’s Uzi and so on, I don’t own any of the 22Lr versions I just mentioned but I like the idea that they are made and available to the public.

    I have some lines with cheap collecting that even I don’t cross, 1) I do not spend money on no-firing weapons, 2) No air soft, 3) No paint Ball, 4) No reproductions, 5) No concept models.

    The weapon must be classified as a real fire arm, they are usually discontinued models, caliber reduced models, close outs, over stocks and always under priced.

    I always keep an eye out for just some fun guns like the M9130 Mosin Nagant that can be built in many different ways with after market components today, a “Transformer” for big boys !!!

  7. It’s really unfortunate that highpoint still doesn’t get recommended. They don’t have many features. They are ugly, heavy, and near impossible to conceal, but they are very reliable and have the best factory customer service I have ever seen. If something doesn’t work right, they fix it free of charge and usually throw in some freebies for your troubles. And they don’t care if you are the first owner or the 10th, or if the gun is 15 years old. I guess trashing a bargain makes gun snobs feel better about spending $800 to do the same thing you can do for $150.

  8. This is a little off subject but wanted to share. My Dad handed me a box the other day. Said if was time that I should have it. He turned 89 not to long ago and was a Sherman tank commander that survived the landings on Omaha Beach so long ago. In the box was his service Colt .45ACP and shoulder holster. Serial # 422981. Produced at the Hartford CT. Factory in 1918 some time between April and October as best as I can tell. He told me that when he was issued it that it was still in the original packaging, wax paper and cosmolien. It had waited in storage for him for 23 years. He first carried it in the ’42 landing in North Africa then later on in D-Day and thru the remainder of the war. I just wanted to share, its just an old goverment 1911 that will be turning 100 years old in for years, its a treasure beyond value to me.

    1. Your Father is a “Honorable” man. Thank him from everyone in this forum for his service to protect and preserve the freedom and liberty we enjoy today.
      Honor your Father and all those that fought and all those that made the ultimate sacrifice for you, me and every other American by using that “Treasure” at every opportunity at the range, in competition and in self defense.
      Semper Fidelis.

  9. My first handgun was a RG .22 – I still have it and occasionally shoot it – can’t hit squat and it spits lead out the cylinder like a truck driver, but it’s here to stay.

    As a Sheriff’s Deputy I carried a Davis .380 as my backup duty piece, qualified with it and I’m sorry I let it go. Once I learned it shot low left I compensated and made marksman with it, only one stovepipe in every 50 or so rounds.

  10. For me its ugly Tokarevs TT33,s and Cz52’s They are not pretty but they are loud , powerful and built like tanks.

    1. The Romanian Cugirs win the Tokarev beauty contest, as the word “beauty” is relative! Beauty is in the reliability and performance, oh, and cheapness, there are no UGLY Tokarevs. TTC, the beauty queen of cheap guns!

  11. I agree. I started collecting with a 91/30, I love the authentic look of that Era military rifle, along with the cheap ammo and fun shooting. Moved onto a type 53 and sks, ak, and today I bought a p38 USA built .22 for $130, hit soda cans at 50 yards, very impressive for slightly short barrel. I have a built R700SPS in 223 that I can hit a tack at 200 yards, and a browning A-bolt .308, the Mosin is my favorite deer rifle. After years of taking eyes out of deer at 400 yards with the r700, it was no longer a challenge. This year I harvested an 8 point at 200 yards with the mosin, and it was thrilling. Using surplus ammo, (on purpose) there’s some guess work with each shot as the barrel warms. Pulling the sights up on a mosin on an 8 point and saying a little prayer while you squeeze hoping to land the perfect shot is much more of a challenge and more fun to me. And with the power of those rifles the occasional brush pile isn’t a matter. I in fact converted my high end 308 to shoot 7.62×39 with a chamber adapter because it’s more fun and cheaper. Always a believer in those deals, and turns heads on friends when you pull out a ww2 rifle. Picking up a mosin for $120 is always a great choice in my eyes.

  12. I have a .45 Hi-Point. standard front sight …. ghost ring rear sight. shoots great for me and I love to shoot it even tho’ it IS a bit on the heavy side. the weight helps to tame any recoil. bad part is …. the range master at the local range where I qual’d for my CCW won’t let me shoot it at “his” range. had to use a 9mm Makarov to shoot the course.

  13. I have one of the 1960’s Rohm .22 shorts (sold for $12 new back in the early ’60’s) that I got from my dad. I shot it the only 6 times it has been shot….and I still have all my fingers. A gun dealer said every punk had one pre-Oswald. It’s not as good as the “expensive Hi Points”

  14. I am a gun finatic and use a large range of firearms. I spent 8 yrs in the military and did a lot of cool things in a lot of places so of course i have a few ARs and AKs And even a SKS. But never the less an abundence of cheap guns as well like the SKS in the assult world, a raven 25, a pheonix 22, a 40 hi point pistol and carbine, two cobra derringers in 25 and 9mm, a cricket 22, and a couple 17-410 rossi combo kits for my two boys. And like everyone else that loves gun i have a 1903 springfield that will never leave the family a couple bench guns for varmits and my trusty shotguns and my custom carry gun which is a pearl handled kimber custom! But oddly enough i always shoot the cheepies first and find most of them very dependable with ball ammo.

  15. I confess, I love cheap guns and I love to make them run to perfection and may I add I think they are beautiful, one of my favorite beauties are the high points. When people say negative things about them I get offended and tell them “What is wrong with you” I guess it started when I was a little boy and always went for the underdog. As I got older I got into cheap cars that nobody liked Ramblers, Studabakers, Corvairs, VWs, Vegas, datsuns, etc. to this day I like what nobody likes. I love to check gunbroker for gunsmith specials, revolvers, pistols, rifles, Mosin Nagant, Chinese M53, I fix them, upgrade them, make them better than they where designed into perfectly functioning things of beauty. You see when I see something broken not working etc. I see something that is 99% finished, in need of somebody with the know how to and ingenuity to restore and improve. I rather shoot a Mosin than an AR15, I rather drive a 1940’s or 50’s auto than a brand new one. I see fads come and go and I like what I call the originals, I still wear Sears boot cut jeans with t-shirts for over 50 years and I just bought a Phoenix .22 cal. just because I had to have it. Everything I own just gets better with time with me. One terrible exception to my joyful relationship with machines who I understand and (call me crazy but I talk to them while I am fixing them) and that terrible thing that I hate and don’t know how to deal with is RUST!!! yes rust is my mortal enemy and I spend a lot of time lubricating and protecting everything but in a high humidity climate it’s just a matter of time before rust wins. Thankfully I will be dead by then. Did I mention I love blades? lol

  16. I’ve never been in the closet on cheap guns, always holding a high banner for the little guys, especially the American companys. Yes I own many custom rifles and handguns (I’ve been a gunsmith for 30 years) and enjoy building them. From ground up or parts I’ve assembled just about anything and everything.
    And then theres my go to guns, High Point PCC’s and pistols, Stars, Dan Wessons, jennings etc.. They all function as promised by the manufacturer, unlike the off the shelf high end guns. no matter in the shop or on the range someone is always asking “whats wrong with my gun, it shoots all over the place, or won’t feed, or the mag just fell apart..
    on and on”. I see them all, period! (exception Savage Arms). While I dont see many of the low end guns comming back thru the door except for the addition of a rail, scope mount, or cleaning type things. Not so much on higher end stuff. Mosin’s as an example, Ive never had to repair one, only build them up, for pennies. Try doing that with a 98 or an o3-a3 an see what it costs to come close to matching the Mosin’s accuracy. There’s many a happy deer harvester in the Pennsylvania woods with cheap guns taking deer with them. There’s many a woman sleeping contently knowing her High Point in the nightstand is going to serve its intended purpose if called on.
    I’m also a Certified Small Arms Instructer, A High Point has one functional lever (safety) to look at or remember when called to use. Have any of you guys ever tryed explaining your 1911 grip safetys, Takedown levers, ambe safetys and so on to your wives? Sure they get it on the range, but will they still remember when your on a road trip away for a couple nights and your not there to tell them how to use it.
    I’m not selling High Points here but it’s got one lever honey, and if it goes to evidence lock-up I’m only out $150. And I know it’s gonna work as needed. My off the shelf knock around deer rifle for swamp and mountain,is a newer Mossberg ($300). Shoots MOA off the shelf, clean or dirty it seem’s, no special fodder….
    All in all, owning a gun is like owning a “dog”. I guess. you buy what makes you happy. If Poodles and Shorthairs make you happy you should have them. But when it’s time to hunt call your Beagle…..

  17. I have always looked for deals on ‘good shooting’ functional firearms rather than just ‘cheap’. Often they are plain Jane in looks and features, but solid and accurate means more to me. The low price is just part of the deal.

    My all time best find was a Marlin MR7 in 280 rem NIB when they were closing them out. A VERY well made rifle that for some reason never caught on, and were only made for a short time.

    Butter smooth action and all the features of any fine rifle. To say they are accurate is an understatement. Thumbnail sized 100 yard groups with most factory ammo, and with custom reloaded 130 grain match hollow points it will shoot single hole groups at 100 yds.

    The price of this deal? Well, it was just under $300 for the rifle, a scope and mounts, a set of reloading dies, and a box of ammo!

    I wish I had bought a dozen of them that day. You may find a used MR7 in 30/06 from time to time, but I’ve only seen one Marlin MR7 in 280 rem for sale in over 20 years of searching online.

    The asking price was around $2,000. I like ‘cheap’ guns, mine isn’t for sale.

  18. Not only do I like cheap guns, I like cheap old guns. Give me a breaktop revolver in .38 S&W (not .38 Special), and I’m happy. Undergunned? The British didn’t think so as it was their standard cartridge in WWII. Right now I’m thinking about a Star .380, a miniature 1911. My 1911 is a 1926 Argentine built on Colt equipment they had sent to Argentina. I also buy less than pristine condition guns. I’d rather have 2 of them than one pristine one at twice the price. Oh, the cheapness of it all.

  19. Man, glad I can come out of the closet, I thought I was the only one. Have 2 glocks that I dearly love but my hi point c9 has at least 1000 rounds of everything thru it, fmj’s, hp’s of all types, aluminum case, steel case don’t matter and I know mine is an exception but not one ftf, fte, nothin, it has ate everything. I also bought a 40 dirt cheap that is having trouble but previous owner has abused it, magazine corroded, looks awful but with hi points Cust Ser it will come back to me just fine. I just have a thing for the underdogs and they are American made. Painted the grips on the c9 with krypton stone texture paint and it looks(to me)awesome. Also picked up a keltec p11 which I guess is a high end low end and next I want to give one of those cobras a shot. But my c9 is fun to shoot, recoil like a 22 mag on steroids. I guess that’s because it weighs bouts 6 lbs with full mag(lol!). But thanks for sharing this article, what a burden has been lifted and now I can hold my head high and march bravely into the night knowing I am not alone!!

  20. I have a Finnish Model 39 with a Tikka barrel. Even though it’s a Mosin-Nagant, it really wasn’t cheap. It’s my 1,000 yard gun, with open sites. My brother describes it as if you can see it, you can hit it. I love the gun! Very accurate, especially with good ammo. The surplus that’s out there isn’t all that great, but a few do pretty good.

  21. If there is such a thing as a “collectible belly gun” I’ve had one for years — a blue-steel Sterling .22 automatic with a three-digit serial number from the Gasport, NY factory. They only made a couple of thousand pieces there (both .22’s and .25’s) and then moved down-state and made them in stainless. All I know is it cost me next to nothing & I’ve put hundreds of rounds through it (remember when .22 was cheap?); it’s pretty accurate and never has had a failure to feed. Great cheap gun!

  22. Well I’m probably worse than most of you.. I have several cheapos ranging from a Raven P25, A Bryco T380, 2 or 3 Jimenez firearms, including a brandy new JA-9 Basically all Ring of Fire guns.. In all honesty I”m proud to own them. I also have custom made 1911 convertibles that are worth 1000s of dollars each and a Custom Weatherby or two. I’ve pumped 1000s of rounds of both factory and reloads through the T380 without a single hiccup. Even more than that out of my JA-22. The Raven kept me safe as a pocket pistol for years in the worst parts of Ft Lauderdale during the cocaine days and I’m grateful for all of them. If you think I lie follow this link and it will give you a clue.. Cheers for all of you that think as some of us do..

    http://bryco-jennings-jimenezarms.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=553

  23. My first hand gun was a .25 Raven that will eat anything except for top premium ammo. other cheapies are a 6.5mm Carcano, .32Targa GT, an FEG SMC, and an Early Occupation CZ 27. I wouldn’t trade a one.

  24. Great article Dave. (great name by the way)
    I have found that cheap guns (to go along with my good ones) are dang fun to collect too!
    However, be careful about the Hi Points. They have a great customer service department, but after you have shot several hundred rounds through them the internal parts can wear down and they can slam fire when you charge the slide. how do I know this? because it has happened to me and I almost lost my foot!
    I called Hi Point and they sent me a new firing pin, springs, and a new sear.
    I was absolutely appalled how badly the firing pin spring had shortened. it was a good 16th of an inch shorter than the replacement spring. The firing pin was shorter too.
    I was a weapons expert for the DOD for 25 years, and currently work as a Gov’t contractor so I do know what I’m talking about.
    Please, anyone out there who shoots these HP guns be careful!

  25. Dave,

    We are not cheap my friend, we are simply fiscally responsible. I too sport the Raven, AMT, Mosin. I have just as much fun shooting them as my more expensive guns. Many people have a work car and the one they prefer to drive, same deal. Parsimony is a virtue.

  26. Current day, the SCCY CPX2 is a fine little pistol. I don’t care for polymer frames and DAO’s, but for it’s purpose as a concealable firearm in the hot summers, it is perfect. It’s sweat-proof, light-weight, American made, reliable, comfortable to hold & fire, and at $230, nearly disposable. I got another one for the wife as well.

  27. I own several cheap guns including a 40&45 cal High Point both guns are great guns to shoot I also have phonex 22 which belw apart after a 1000 rounds but they replaced it witht their life time warranty . I also have a cobra 380 that I paid $106 for and it shoots very well. I have other expensive guns but the cheapies seem to do the job to.

  28. I own & carry an AMT backup in .380 and it will put an assailant down just as fast as a Glock or any other “Cadillac” gun and they will be just as dead !!!

  29. I confess I loved my Jennings .22. It was very natural pointer and easily concealed. After 3 or 4 boxes of .22LR they sometimes fell apart. But back in the day you could get them for about $60.

  30. Well Dave, I can relate to your addiction. Mine started with an impossible to resist $75 Mosin rifle on sale at Big 5. My cheapie collection has grown since. Now it’s to the point where I got a C & R collector FFL, which is a great help in being able to secure old cheap guns like the Mosin and many other military and civilian arms.

    1. Bob, I can relate. I remember buying a Mauser K96 and paying a $110—the extra $10 was for a model with exceptionally nice blonde would. It is 6.5×55, but shoots great for the investment. I also have a pair of consecutive serial number SKSs that I bought years ago for $125 each! ~ Dave Dolbee

  31. I own a hi point 9mm, it handles great, never mis fires, and it looks just darn good,and I will not trade it for anything

    1. agree, anyone wanting to give away a “CHEAP” HiPoint , I’ll take it. Sigs-cheap, who is this fool. $600-$800. Guess what our special forces use Oh ! now I see, ya have to add 2+2 to leave a reply.

  32. I too love a “bargain basement” find. I have my share of beautiful to look at, but not for anyone’s hands that don’t have gloves on weapons. Thing is, I continually grab my PHOENIX ARMS HP22A for everyday carry. Fact is the holster most likely cost more than the pistol did. Also, when I just want to shoot off some rounds a bit larger than 22lr, I most often reach for my High Point 9mm carbine. Between the both of them, I don’t think I had to spend over $350 & that’s with the target barrel for the 22, scope for 9, & 2 extra clips for both. They keep me safe & my trigger finger happy! Thank You

  33. My oddest cheap gun was a pistol and for life of me I cannot remember who made the 5 caliber single shot revolver.
    I used to have rural, hell remote newspaper route where I sold around 35 to 45 once a week Newspaper called ;THE GRIT”; and for every nickle paper sold I kept 1 penny.
    Miles of bike or walking summrr or winter but it alloeed me to hunt or fish , sometimes both and not have to go to Church on Sunday.
    Well at least until I met a blonde, dual pigtails, and freckle faced angel called April; and then Saturday delivery began.
    Well anyways there was this add for a 5 caliber pistol complete with6 rounds and all for 150 penny profit newspapers 3 weeks work, hell I ordered it.
    I waitedanf wben I ordered it was Dog Days in Maineand It came o. A day I shoveled 2+foot of snow for a 100 yard path to mailbox after ChristmasYup still selling those Grits and that was why trail to mailbox. BIKE ON GRAVEL ROADS SNOW AND ICE AND BEARPAW SNOWSHOES TO FARm!mHOUSE DOOR.
    Anyways on this day was a small cardboard box with a licture onits side of a revolver, I tore the sucker open as I sat on the roads snowbank.
    Yup it was a gun, had 6 rounds of ammo, 6BB’S AND A ROLL OF CAPS.
    It worked even shot my moms cat in the ass and my hand as well did not hurt.
    Sold that gun and newspaper route for $10.00 and took 5$ and bought a very well used Crackshot 22 and 4 boxs of gallery 22 shells .
    THE guy I sold the gun too stiill had it as of 1980’s but he too went to meet his creator.
    I wonder what I will be in biggest trouble for when St. Pete opens the ledger; Selling George that useless gun or shooting moms cat in the ass.
    Anyways can anyone remember such toys, and yes one in box may interest me, Cuz Ol’ Black Dog is getting plumb tuckered out trying to scare the neighbors cats away.

  34. People can say what they want, but sometimes those cheaper hand guns and rifles can end up being a diamond in the rough. I have a types of firearms and I still buy a cheaper one if I find a good priced one. They serve as a weapon for home protection and for plinking around. Not everyone will agree if a piece is good or bad. It is up to the one who purchases them to decide. I have hand guns from a 32 up to the 45 and they are all special in their own way, no matter who they are made by.

  35. A man after my own heart! My username on a couple gun boards is even “cheapshooter” chosen because of my propensity to buy lower priced guns that are good shooters. Including milsurps, High Points, Rough Riders, Cobra Derringers, and more.

  36. My husband laughs when I detour at a sportmans store on a holiday sale weekend. It is never a shopping mall that gets me in trouble like an arms counter can. One particular shop called me an arms enabler like that was a bad thing? I love any special out there that makes sense. After the shot show we purchased four sig 1911 ‘s in 45 because they came with a free 1911 in 22. Long live cheap arms deals! It beats shoe shopping any day of the week.

    1. @ Tam: That’s awesome. Our problem is my wife will do both shoes and guns. However, I have to admit she looks more at guns than she actually buys and buys more shoes than I’d like her to look at. I suppose the shoes appear less costly, but they sure do add up after a while.

  37. What’s wrong with a Raven .25? My dad got me one for Christmas about 30 yrs. ago and I still have it and love shooting it. Cheap gun are what I look for, I recently bought a S&W .40 SD VE for $235 slightly used. I love that thing. When I brought it home and said to the wife, go ahead and yell, all she asked was to take her out to the range so she could shoot it. So the moral to the story is, don’t necessarily underestimate your wife’s understanding.

  38. guilty guilty and guilty . being a young broke man obsessed with firearms my collection started years ago and ended with a vast supply of the cheapest handguns and rifles available to mankind. After years of hardwork and purchases of some of the finest firearms I still cannot part with those babies. I saw the snide looks at the range and under breath chuckles but hey, I was armed buddy so take that. fun fun fun….

  39. I have the same addiction!! I am a collector of military firearms and I have a nice collection. I still find myself not being able to say no when I find a cheap (pretty much worthless) gun on sale. Who says its a problem?

  40. My addiction is cheap guns made in the USA. I have a HiPoint C9, a Heritage Rough Rider 22, a Phoenix HP22, A Henry lever action 22LR, a Marlin 60, a Marlin 25 and a couple of very old single shot shotguns. They are all reliable and are more accurate than I am. Several have a lifetime warranty. I know I have spent less than many gun snobs spend on one gun but I am happy with what I have and the extra money I have in my retirement account.

  41. Yes, its true the Springfield M1A /.308 in just about any of its several variants is without question a deal breaker and heart taker! And, NO, I agree . . . neither “cheap” or “inexpensice” are words often found in the same sentence with “M1A”! It can become quite an obsession and of course is considered a MUST HAVE for any military collector. As a shooter….. Well, it’s just plane fun and will put a smile on ones face that may only be eclipsed by the expierance of firing full auto platforms, with lots of noise and piles of spent brass. Can make ya just giggle out loude too. On the other side of the coin is the nearly overwhelming sadness one may expierance when the silent realization decendes on them that in their moment of great pleasure that they have just fire up 250 round battle PAC of ammo . . . .in under ten minutes ……. And don’t have any more to shoot! A terrible come down!

  42. Thanks Pete. I’ve seen your comments before and like a few other guys who frequently contribute here you always make sense. I can see I’m going to have to keep looking for my next rifle. I’m looking tor the rifle to end all rifles in my collection. I always had a soft spot for the M-1 Garand until last year when I saw the Springfield M-1A in 308.

    It struck me like a dressed up Harley with all the bells and whistles. It literally had everything you could ask for: a recoil pad for us old farts, a ten round magazine, an easily adjustable leather sling, a composite stock that’ll take a lickin’ and keep on tickin’, a beautiful bipod and it was equipped with a scope I think you could probably use to shoot tight groups on the moon. The down side was the price.

    The vendor was promoting it for around $2, 200. I went home and kissed my Ruger All American in 30-06, but I’m hooked on the M-1A and I’m sure some day I’ll have one, if I live long enough to save up the money. But we sure won’t be writing about it under’ cheap guns.”

  43. Folks: I hate to get into semantics here, and I’m responding to this from a dark hotel room while my better half is asleep and I’m without the benefit of my favorite dictionary, but cheap to me has always meant inexpensive crap. In the 50’s it was synonymous with hand tools made in Japan. Now it’s pretty much China but other countries now are pretty much beating us up in the market place in price with comparable quality because a lot of greedy companies are sending the jobs over seas to take advantage of the cheap labor.

    A friend bought a Colt 1911 and he paid $1,200 before taxes and fees. Frankly, at the time, I couldn’t afford that. The list I told you about that rated pistols by price and quality and it also gave the country of origin where it was manufactured. Our range coach said something that made it easy to choose my Rock Island. Philippines. It was priced within my budget, I had no beef with those people, at least the ones who aren’t fanatic Muslims, it was rated R I 1911’s as good quality and I only paid around $500, before this gun control BS started. Now I have the 1911 I’ve always wanted and after shooting about a thousand rounds through it, it has worked great.

    Another friend looks down his nose at mine as a foreign “knock off. He wants a 1911 but he can’t afford the Colt or a Kimber price so he pisses and moans and goes without.

    When I’m cleaning my Weatherby shotgun I’d like to see it say ‘made in the USA’ but it was made in Turkey. It cost a lot less than my wife’s Remington did and our gunsmith hinted that there’s a good chance that a lot of the parts inside her may have come from somewhere else. Look under the hood of you American car, if you own one, and see where the parts were manufactured.

    My wife’s Taurus 357 was made in Brazil. It was about 1/3 less than the Ruger she originally wanted for her birthday in October that Turner’s Outdoorsman couldn’t even deliver by Christmas. And going back to the list, the Taurus was rated as “good quality and moderate price”. Our gunsmith had a new one ready for us to buy in three days and it’s been flawless. My dad used to say, “Not all is gold that glitters.”

    But what really vexes me is that some of you are talking about military platforms as cheap but since this gun control BS started, out here they’re anything but cheap. In fact the ones I was looking at have almost doubled in price unless you want it in 22 long rifle. After carrying one for a couple of years I’d like to have an M-1 Garand but $1200 to $1500 for a used $96 rifle just doesn’t sound like a good deal anymore and it sure as hell isn’t cheap.

    1. Hey Hank,
      I’m a big fan of the Taurus products. Their solid and reliable and the two that I have, a .22 LR and a Tracker in .41 mag, have provided me years of service. If your going to spend $1200 to $1500 on a used M1, I’d suggest you take the money and buy a new one from Springfield Armory, you will get a far better product! However, if you search a bit you may still find a surplus one in the $500 range. The CMP still have a few in the $600 range and there are a number to be found on the web for sale at an “inexpensive” price.
      I can’t disagree with your definition of “cheap”, as from my point of view for what that’s worth, your spot on!
      I think a definition of “Cheap” within the context of this conversation might be or describe firearms of low standards of Materials, poor Design, poor Construction, poor or nonexistent QC and Production oversight. Practices that may be or are of dubious safety for the enduser/owner and who’s accuracy and reliability are at best only a pipe dream.
      In the case of the mass majority of these firearms the old Rule of Thumb of “you get what you pay for” is exactly right. There may be one or two exceptions, as there always seems to be but I can’t think of any off hand.
      On the same token “inexpensive” , “low cost” and like terms for the most part it seems to me to describe those products that are reliable, suitably safe, well made and readily available. They may not be a “Brand name”, or be as “pretty” or as well finished but they will preform the service they are required to and for the most part in a very reliable manner. There are those that in head to head tests preform as well or better than a “brand” product. This should not come as a surprise to anyone. Some of these products might require a bit of emery cloth here or a touch of abrasive polish there to improve its function. They might even require an additional 100 or more rounds fired thru it to “break” it in. In the end one has a functional firearm that preforms nearly as or as well as or better than a “brand” product at a quarter to a third the cost. There can be nothing wrong with this concept.

      Military Surplus Firearms form a category all to themselves under this “inexpensive” heading. Yes, prices have increased but not so greatly as to not still be considered inexpensive.
      In this market place one should look for things and terms like, hand picked, fair/good/better/best, field grade/unissued, used fair/good/excellent, graded and inspected in [date] and so forth. These terms will tell you a great deal about the firearm your looking at. Spend your money wisely. An extra 40 bucks can be the worthwhile difference between between an “ok” specimen or one that just looks as if it came out the factory door . . .50 years ago. My first large bore rifle when I was a kid of 12, was a 1903A3 30.06 Springfield that my dad got from the NRA Program for like $18.00 in new unissued condition. Still have it today, mil spec issue condition. It took a lot of game over the years, all with the excellent open peep battle sights as it was never scoped. Today, that same Rifle depending on markings, where manufactured and condition may cost between $350 and $650 and would be worth the price. There are also any number of “Sporters” out there as well that have been very well done. Check out ” gunbrokers.com”

      New production firearms as first mentioned in the Blog make up a large slice of the “inexpensive” market. This market includes not only many older design favorites such as 1911, P-35, revolvers, and “pocket”/subcompact models but also new design handguns, rifles and shotguns.

      There are those who will always look down their nose at anything not so called “USA made”. It’s just the way it is. I wish them lots of luck with that in today’s international market place! They arn’t snobs because they don’t have the so called sophistication for the label. Just ignore them as they can’t be reasoned with, aren’t worth ones time to try. The just need an excuse to feel superior to others by using this lower form of bullying. Its not worth the by-in on your part.
      Just ask them where they shop. COSTCO?, Walmart?, FredMyers?, BassPro?, Cabbalas? Safeway? Sears?,….. Really? If one is really interested in only products that are “”MADE IN USA” they need to start doing some in- depth research as to what that means and how it’s defined by trade rules and law. What one will find may be disturbing if they are die hard fans of US products only. If one is going to be a purest about this position then one is going to starve, naked, in short order because there isn’t enough “stuff” out there that is 101% a USA product from raw materials to in your mouth or on your body!

      The term “inexpensive” should be understood to be a relative term depending on who’s doing the talking. Understand that “they” are likely not being a “snob” but simply have a different view of what might be considered “inexpensive” to and/or for them.
      Just a suggestion but ….. One might introduce them to something new that they had not considered before and open up that conversation. Fact is, for the most part, its human nature to find a “good deal”, no matter who or what you are. Besides, they are a firearms owner just like you so you already have something in common!

  44. With the current prices I say oh yeah! A Mosin hex for 140 and ammo for 25 cents to your door? What is wrong with that? There is nothing wrong with my Mosins and Yugo and Czech and Swede and Argentine Mausers and Maverick shotguns and- well you get the point. I too have some uncheap firearms but I somehow don’t feel so guilty after a couple of hours shooting the cheap ones and these old guns are amazingly accurate. Just keep em clean and lubed and they work just fine. Screw those who think they’re better because they think they’re guns are better.

    1. Hey JD,
      I don’t know who told you that classic military platforms were considered “cheap” or that you should feel guilty for shooting the more costly firearms in your collection. Sounds to me as if you need a better group of people to hang with. Mil Spec surplus is, has been, and continues to be a foundation linch pin for shooters everywhere! Their less costly nature has to do with their quantity . . . and has no reflection on their quality at all! Some of the finest firearms in the world started life as a battle rifle in one country or another and you have mentioned several top tenners in your comment. Many are kept in their original condition and serve all manner of uses and shooters. Keep on keeping on, and take a look at the Swiss K31 T-bolt surplus if you get a chance. Think you’ll like it.

    2. @ Pete: Didn’t know about this one. Looked it up and it is nice. Thanks for wetting my appetite.

  45. One incredible purchase I made just this past Father’s Day was the Canik TP-9, 9mm semi-automatic handgun. Think Walther P99 and you’ll know the look and style this gun was copied from. It’s imported from Turkey by Century International Arms and can be had for as low as $299.95 with free shipping if you search hard enough.

    This is an exceptionally high quality gun that rivals weapons at twice its price. It is a law enforcement and military grade weapon produced in an ISO 9000 certified factory. Aside from the gun itself (I’ll get to that in a minute), I was also blown away by all the goodies it comes with. Unbelievably the price included a high quality strong plastic case brimming with accessories like two high quality 18-round magazines, a polymer Serpa style holster with two mounting options (paddle and belt attachment), a cleaning kit (bore brush and rod), and two sizes of backstraps.

    The gun comes in 5 colors: Black, Chrome (w/Blk lower), Desert Tan, OD Green, and Titanium. The features of the gun are:

    Polymer Framed / All Chrome Plated Components
    4 Inch Black Chrome-Lined, Cold Hammer-Forged Barrel
    3 Dot Sighting System (click adjustable)
    Double Action / Single Action Mechanism
    Decocker (ambidextrous top-slide)
    Striker-Fire
    Polymer Coated Steel (prevents corrosion and lubricates slide & frame)
    Cocking/Loaded Chamber Indicator
    Front Accessory Rail (Picatinny Mil. Std.)
    Interchangeable 2 Size Backstraps
    Ambidextrous Magazine Release
    2 MEC-GAR Italian Magazines (18-Round, Double Stack High Cap)

    I bought the desert tan which looks really nice offset from the various alternating black components across the gun. If interested check it out soon because I’m already seeing prices rise and stock deplete with popularity in just the past month.

  46. I just looked on GunsAmerica a moment ago. There are 17 used 9mm pistols for less than $300 in their listings., and 32 used .38 Special revolvers for less than $300. Most are in what you’d call very good condition for shooters. They’re not new-in-box collector’s editions, but they’re good, solid used pistols and revolvers that will give many hours of shooting enjoyment with their CHEAP ammunition. That’s right! .38 Special is listing between 9 cents and 30 cents a round, and 9mm is listing between 21 and 29 cents a round on AmmoFinder.Com at the moment. In fact, you will pay more for .25 ACP and .32 ACP right at the mement than you will for 9mm and .38 Special. And, of course, even with all the gougemeisters around, .22 LR can still be found for less than a dime a round if you know where to look, making all those inexpensive used .22 pistols (18 under $300 on GunsAmerica) look pretty tasty. There again, these aren’t cheaply made pistols. That group includes Brownings, Smiths and Rugers. .

  47. Do most shootist have a different perspective on cheap as in quslity and in cost?
    We understand the posdible consequences of cheap as in shodfy construction can mean a maiming of body or loss of our life.
    We also realize the purpose of the weapon and while we know what to search for, very bit of a weapons utility over its esthetic values.
    Cheap does not today mran low quality as we buy expecting quality of purpose and accept s ome diminishimg charactetistic such as plastics not wood . Non machined rough edges or limited range; and If not most importan, t surely an important, trait , dependable.

    1. HB,
      I think for the most part that that is a pretty good read on what might be considered the general and common prospective where low cost firearms are concerned. Cheaply made and badly made may not always be the same thing but cheaply made may certainly not be as safe as one might like or be comfortable with and badly made is just putting your own life at risk.
      A low cost firearm (LCF)is fairly or well constructed, has fair to good tolerances, functions with good reliability, and dependability. May of may not be fairly well finished or appointed, has a good positive safety and will serve the purpose for which it was acquired. There are a number of firearms out there, say in the $225 to $600 price range that may fit the LCF bracket. I know that $600 seems a bit high for this category of firearm but I believe that it represents the upper end of LCF’s while also overlapping into the lower end of the mid-cost market say starting around $475 to about $875 or so.
      Anyway, that’s my opinion.

  48. Ralph,
    Couldn’t agree with you more! There are a number of low priced firearms on the market that would have been high priced or considered custom only 10 or 15 years ago. This isn’t limited to handguns either. There are also a number of rifles and shotguns now on the market that are very affordable and in many cases do as well or better than those of greater trade name and cost. I have several friends here in AK who now have the Hi-Point in .45 for either boat, or plane survival pac’s. Fairly well made and a good performer by all accounts. A Rock Island is also within this range if your interested in a more traditional “slab side”. Well made with a very good rep..

  49. …I totally agree. In my little collection resides a Ruger P95 9mm and a Charter Arms Liteweight in .38 special. As my wife and I live on a fixed income due to disabilities, I could only drool over higher-priced firearms. I’m also leaning toward getting myself a Hi-Point carbine in .45 ACP–a video out of Detroit a couple of weeks back showed a woman holding off and routing a group of three home-invaders. One of them had gotten so rattled after getting forced out of an “easy pickins” situation that he grabbed the gun he dropped just outside the door and tried to get back in a second time; this time, he flew out the door at supersonic speed!! The weapon the woman used was a Hi-Point carbine in 9mm and it evidently did the trick. Nowadays, low-price doesn’t always mean substandard performance–the Hi-Points now come with an ironclad warranty….

    1. Ralph, loved your post and couldn’t agree more. About 2 years ago I wasn’t in the best of financial situations but really wanted a .40 for my small but growing, so i was checking out the Hi-Point. The guy at the gun shop commented “I wouldn’t own that gun if it was given to me.” I immediately bought it thinking what a snob! I couldn’t be happier with it, I’ve put thousands of rounds through it and it’s only jammed on me once. Now that my financial situation is better and i have added a lot of nice firearms to my collection, I have no intention on getting rid of it, i love my Hi-Point and I probably shoot that gun more then my others!

  50. Hey guys, sounds like Larry might have had the best return on his investment. I remember having several different brand top break 5 and 6 shot boot revolvers years ago, and an occasional RG, still have one, an RG-14, a double action .22. I keep it loaded all the time, in a box of similar loaded guns and gear, but never pull it out to fire. An Arminius Titan Tiger also lives in that box, a 2″.38 Spec. I have and have had several H&R Topper type shotguns and rifles, and enjoy most cheap single shot break open and bolt action shotguns, and tinkering with the triggers and actions of these type of guns, because it teaches you, and there are usually considerable improvements which can be made, prroviding many special memories, and an economical collection, if you keep them all. They all have some story to tell.

  51. I wish I knew what I did with that damn list? When the wife and I were starting to look at purchasing firearms the range coach suggested a web site listing of firearms classified by price as: expensive, moderate and cheap. It also cross referenced them as to quality.

    At the top of the list were the Colts, Kimbers and others which you can’t touch for less than a grand. In the moderate range were the: Rugers, Rock Islands, the Taurus and others and they were still rated as being good.

    We followed their common sense advice and paid $500 for my black Rock Island 1911 in 45 ACP, $600 for my wife’s stainless Taurus 357 revolver and $500 for her stainless Ruger Mark-3, (they’re pretty). She picks her guns like she does her horses and so far so good. That still left us with enough cash to buy ammo and be able to have fun.

    It’s been a few years now but if you’re looking to buy a firearm and you’re watching your finances see if you can find that list on line. Every manufacturer has a good sales pitch but I think you’ll find it to be very objective and honest. Also talk to your gunsmiths. The honest ones seldom have an axe to grind.

  52. I had the same issue when my youngguns were at home. One+ cases of shot shells a week plus most of my “Free Time” was spent reloading… 38, 45acp and 45LC…. lol.
    All three are excellent shots and spend a good portion of their entertainment budget at the range or at the reloading bench. Two girls and a boy.

  53. There is a practicality that tends to drive my purchases – sometimes 😀
    I have a pair of Kel-Tec PF9s for deep concealed carry, one with a laser for those nighttime adventures. I picked up an M&P 9mm because the price was right. But for economy, I swapped out my 686 truck gun for a High Point .45. It weighs more, but if I use it & lose it to a LEO, I am not out much – I would really miss the S&W.
    I am always on the lookout for a good deal, especially .22s. We have 4 children and it is expensive to keep’m shooting. I stopped calculating the cost last time we went clay shooting $$$$

  54. Never had any real facination in run of mill cheaply priced or crudely assembled weapons but out of curiosity and while gathering trading materials I think I have had pass through my hands every clunker known since 1880’s when pocket pistols began to flourish in civilized Eastrrn And Southern cities where open carry was many times illegalThere was also a fad with “parlor guns that fired small ano or almost no powder and small diameter bullets from 15 to 32 nd tapping out with pin fires at 36 caliber.
    Almost all would blow apart underfull loads and like our later pimped out Loricin; Jennings, Iver Johnson TP22&25 cals the metal composition sucked.
    THE ONE EXCEPTION TO CHEAP IS IN THE DERRINGERS AND EARLY MULTI BARRELD POCKET AND SLEEVE GUNS.
    As I have never found one to not do the job designed for or not have some QC to its makeup.
    Early smal revolvers used to shed and shread the shooters hands by out of time and centerig of cylinder to barrell..
    Have put heavy gloves on and firded small Revolvers such as Ruby and got as much flash outside of cylinder as barrelUsed to get aircraft and militar scraps from old Boeing in Seatle WA and made firing pins springs and even milled aluminum slids for many a cheaply made Star or Astra .
    We are now playing war games in Philippines jungles so find a bud to visith the barrios and bungalo weapon shops tp get fine replicas of higher qiality than the old 25 and 32 cal.

  55. There are wine snobs, car snobs and gun snobs I’m neither. I drive, drink and shoot what I like and can afford. I look for: safety, dependability, function and fit within my budget. I like my five year old Scion XB, I’ll happily drink two buck chuck or Cooks Brut and I love my Rock Island 1911 with the wrap around Hogue rubber grips and a buffer in the slide. Neither of them broke the bank.

    My buddy, by comparison drives a Lexus. He let me fire his S&W 40 and he was pissed because I wasn’t impressed and when he comes over he want to use my sippin’ tequila for his margaritas. We all have tastes but I have what I like that I can afford. My wife likes bling and her guns are pieces of jewelry, and just as expensive. To each his own I guess.

    1. Hank,
      You declaration falls well into the values of what we all aspire to. I’d hope never to be considered a snob. However, as to the gentalmen who presumes that your sipping Taquila let alone any other “sipping” beverage may be mixed and or diluted is a gross injustice and shows a blank spot in his education, up bringing and may be construed as criminally negligent in some places. At the very least its just rude and wrong. I hope you have corrected this lapse in his makup. Best regards, Pete

  56. FN P-35 Browing Hi-Power , SA, 9mm. Hardly a Saturday Night Special but an obsession all the same…..
    I was first introduced to this hi capacity, 9mm, medium frame, excellent piece of engineering when …. supplied ….. my first one when I was attached to a certain “American” Air transport company working out of the back flight line at Udorn air base in Thailand back in the day. It was an actual Belgiam production model with adjustable sights. With it I was given 200 rounds of FMJ practice, 200 rounds of 100gr “power point” (Winchester I think) duty ammo and 4 additional magazines and told that if I needed more just to come in and pick some up! I was hooked half way thru the first magazine and this started a lifelong love affair with the Hi-Power. A short time later I asked if I might get a second HP for backup. I expected to be refused but was instead handed a box with a brand new FN Argintine Hi-Power. No questions, strings or paperwork. Had a cross draw belt holster made for it. The Argintine was not as well finished or as clean but other than it functioned and was as accurate as the Belgiam model. I brought both home with me. The Belgiam is cased and retired now with other mementos of that time but the Argintian still see’s much use to this day. My ever … expanding … collection of this fine example of firearm design has been an obsession for all these years. It is now numbering 23 working models of verious lineages and types and 4 in verious stages of … recovery. Some have been on the somwhat more expensive side but not excessive while others were very “cheap” and new as well. I even found several of the Israily versions including one that was quite unique as it seemed to have been production modified to select fire without an outward appearance of being so. I discovered the feature quite by accident and surprise! I have paid from MSRP to “next to nothing” and several drained the “Emergency Firearm Account” noticeably. The two prizes of them all remain the first two I ever had and still have. Both have seen hard days and nights and served me well for all these years. There is a comfort in its weight and feel in my hand and of all the pistols I own is the only one that is a perfect extension of thought to action. Its history is rich and its petagree is without dispute. It might be said that all pistoles that are that made today may look to the Hi-Power as a not so distant relative. As I’m not married, I have been able to indulge my passion to a somewhat greater extent then might be considered, within current the political enviroment and within some social bounds, for a single dinner guest of gental conversation and views. To bad, to sad! I’m also very fond of the 1911’s, but, who isn’t! I’m afraid that collecting them extensively might well prove beyond my means and current storage ability! I’ll just have to keep to the few I can have and perhaps one or two more that I can afford.

  57. Now you’ve brought back some memories. Similar to the Raven, my first pocket pistol in the late 80’s was the Lorcin L25 (.25 Auto). So cheap (sub $100), it was eventually handed down to my son where he and his shooting buddies were allowed to explore, use, and abuse this gun to their heart’s content. Despite this gun’s awful reputation, my son swears he managed over 6000 rounds through it before it finally quit one day. Slide cracked I think.

    Another well-made cheapie I picked up in the early 90’s was the Korean Daewoo DP-51 (9mm) pistol. That’s right; they didn’t just make consumer electronics back then. This gun with its triple-action trigger had been adopted as the official sidearm by the South Korean Army. To me it was accurate enough, but I always joked that the machining looked to have been done by hand on a Barney Rubble grindstone. There were minor complaints about the barrel’s accuracy, but a U.S. company sold a precision made after-market barrel that would resolve this issue and supposedly put the weapon into world-class standing. My Daewoo would be stolen before I placed the order. But that’s another story.

    More recently I hopped on the Mosin-Nagant mod wagon. Having owned one of these sub $100 beauties for historical and posterity sake, I bought another for total sniper modification which included the following:

    I custom painted in two tone desert cammo a ProMag AA9130 Archangel Stock Conversion Kit, added a 10 round magazine instead of the 5 round, added a rear tapped scope mount and scope, welded a drop-style bolt handle to accommodate lever action around the new scope, shortened the unnecessarily long barrel and added a custom Witt Machine muzzle brake, added the ProMag picatinny forend rail with a folding bipod, and then topped it all off by dropping in a Timney Trigger. This thing is sweet.

    I didn’t really plan on doing any of this when the next thing I knew I was ordering parts left and right. I’d say that’s an addiction.

  58. I guess you can say my addiction is somewhat the opposite…ie…function and reliability as well as keeping it simple.
    Springfield V -10 Champion 45, Remington 22, Remington Model 48, 12 Guage, Springfield M1A in 308, Springfield M1 Garand in 30-06.
    I really have no desire to own anything else

  59. I too suffer this affliction, but lean towards “made in Spain”, and early 20th century Mossburg .22s

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