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SCOTUS: What Did the Supremes Think of Bump Stocks?

The front view of the Supreme Court building

I consider myself somewhat a gun nut. I have been writing about shooting, hunting, and outdoor sports since the late 1990s. I served in the military before that and carried a gun or two in the Gulf War. I’ve been hunting since I was seven. I have multiple degrees, including a Ph.D. in Communications and a Bachelor of Political Science. I would not say I was smart, but I am educated. However, after listening to 1.5 hours of oral arguments regarding bump stocks, I feel dumber for the experience…

The arguments were a word salad that was left out in the hot sun for too long, turned brown, and wilted long before the 90 minutes expired. It devolved into a debate over words, transitive verbs, and hypothetical black boxes that vibrate after pushing a button to shoot multiple bullets. There was even a discussion of a trip wire that caused a ‘preplaced’ gun to shoot multiple times and whether that constituted a machine gun.

Bump stock on an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle
Originally, the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals recently ruled against the Trump Era Bump Stock Ban. Now, the Supreme Court of the United States is hearing the case.

None of that really seemed to matter (in my opinion). I thought what really mattered was whether the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) had the authority to regulate bump stocks the same way it does machine guns? However, that was another case. This was simply about whether a bump stock was a machine gun, based on the definition of the word ‘function.’

Bump Stocks

Gun control advocates, and the Government, claim “A bump stock is a device that enables semi-automatic rifles to fire almost like machine guns.” That sounds like being a little bit pregnant to me. Either the device is a machine gun or it’s not. However, that is another debate.

In 2018, the Trump administration enacted a bump stock ban in response to the 2017 mass shooting at a Las Vegas concert. The gunman used a bump stock to kill or wound scores of people. Shortly after the ban’s enactment, Michael Cargill (an owner of two bump stocks), filed suit.

Bump stocks were not new in 2017. After some vacillation, the ATF had ruled that bump stocks were not machine guns. The ‘function’ of the trigger… i.e. the trigger only fired one shot each time it was activated. The trigger then went through reset and a new action began to fire the next shot. Thus, a nonmechanical bump stock was not a machine gun.

Function… that’s where things got messy. Why did Congress use the word ‘function”? Function is not a ‘pull’ of the trigger. Even when the Congress enacted the National Firearms Act (NFA) of 1934 there were ‘push’ triggers.

The Arguments: Highlights

Early in the proceedings, Justice Gorsuch laid out “…we are dealing with a statute enacted in the 1930s. Through many administrations (Bush, Obama), the government took the position that these bump stocks are not machine guns. Then, you (ATF) adopted an interpretive role, not even legislative, saying otherwise. A role that would render between a quarter-million to half-million people federal felons, not even through a process they could challenge, subject to 10 years in federal prison, and the only way they can challenge it is if they are prosecuted. They may wind up dispossessed of all guns in the future, as well as other civil rights, including the right to vote.

“I want your reaction to that. I believe there are a number of members of congress, including Senator Feinstein, who said this administrative action forestalled legislation that would have dealt with this topic directly, rather than using an almost 100-year-old statute in a way that many districts would not have anticipated.”

Brian Fletcher, U.S. Principal Deputy Solicitor General, then put the ATF on a somewhat even keel with SCOTUS. He claimed that SCOTUS often concludes that the government had interpreted statutes the wrong way and corrects the wrong.

Fletcher said, I think the government should do the same thing. After the Las Vegas shooting, I think it would have been irresponsible for the ATF not to take another closer look at this prior interpretation, reflected in a handful of classification letters, and to look at the problem more carefully. Having done that, I think it would have been responsible if the ATF concluded, as it did, that these devices are prohibited.

Justice Gorsuch: Why not do it by a legislative rule, properly? As an interpretive rule, you can — more or less — just issue. You don’t even have to put it in the Federal Registry. You do in some circumstances, but not all. You are creating a class of between a quarter-million and half-million people who have, in reliance on past administrations, republican and democrat, who said this does not qualify under the statute. An interpretive rule, you cannot even challenge it.

Fletcher went on to make his case about mobsters during Prohibition using machine guns, rates of fire, and general lawlessness to be the real reason for the NFA. He went further to claim that the increased rate of fire from a bump stock-equipped semi-automatic should be classified as a machine gun based on this reasoning.

The Opposition (Michael Cargill, Respondent)

Jonathan F. Mitchell on behalf of the Respondent: The statutory definition of machine gun extends only to weapons that fire more than one shot automatically — by a single function of the trigger. Mr. Cargill’s bump stocks fall outside that — for one definition. (The Respondent’s counsel stated that the Government’s position failed on two points, either of which would cause the Government’s position to fail.) A bump stock can fire only one shot, per function of the trigger, because the trigger must reset after every shot and function again before another shot can be fired.

The trigger is the device that initiates the firing of the weapon. The function of the trigger is what the firing device must do to cause the firearm to fire. The phrase ‘function of the trigger’ can refer only to the trigger’s function. It has nothing to do with the shooter or what the shooter does to the trigger, because the shooter does not have a function. The statute is concerned only with what the trigger does, and whether a single function of that trigger produces more than one shot.

Second, a bump stock-equipped rifle does not, and cannot, fire more than one shot automatically by a single function of the trigger. Because the shooter, in addition to causing the trigger to function, must also undertake additional manual actions to ensure a successful round of bump firing. Everything about the bump firing process is manual.

There is no automating device, such as a spring or motor, in any of Mr. Cargill’s nonmechanical bump stocks. The process depends entirely on human effort. The shooter must thrust it forward with the non-shooting hand while simultaneously maintaining backward pressure on the weapon with his shooting hand. None of the actions are automated. The solicitor general has yet to identify any component of Mr. Cargill’s devices that automatically performs any task necessary for the gun’s firing. We ask the court to affirm on that ground.

Down the Rabbit Hole

However, it was Fletcher’s reasoning about the definition of ‘function’ that really seemed to muddy the waters. The Government contended that ‘function of the trigger’ did not mean movement of the trigger. Instead, Fletcher offered that it meant action of the shooter — and the Justices followed him right down that Rabbit Hole.

Conclusion

Only a fool would look at the questioning by the Justices and predict the outcome of the Court’s decision. The Justices often play devil’s advocate to strengthen or weaken an argument. However, I think we can all play the part of the fool here, and reasonably conclude that the High Court will not hand down a decision that is not favorable to bump stocks. Justice Gorsuch, at one point said, “I can certainly understand why these items should be made illegal.

Are you in favor of bump stocks being legalized. Do you think they should be classified as machine guns? Why? Share your answers in the Comment section.

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Comments (51)

  1. By their argument I could exercise my finger so I can shoot really fast and would legally be a machine gun. At that point would I be required to have a tax stamp and serial number? Be prosecuted for possession of an nfa item. Or would I have to chop off my finger?

  2. “However, I think we can all play the part of the fool here, and reasonably conclude that the High Court will not hand down a decision that is not favorable to bump stocks. Justice Gorsuch, at one point said, “I can certainly understand why these items should be made illegal.”

    These sentences oppose one another. Did you mean what you wrote here, or did you slip one too many “nots” into the first sentence?

  3. Big Gub’ment and the ATF says: Here are your rules and limits, people. This is what is okay. You are fine to do ‘X’.

    The People follow the rules and limits. They build what is “allowed” and deemed “perfectly fine”.

    Big Gub’ment and the ATF looks at what was built PER THEIR RULES AND LIMITS. Doesn’t approve, changes the rules like a sore loser.

    It’s no fun playing Monoply if all you wind up doing is “Go straight to jail. Do not pass GO. Do not collect $200.”

    The whole thing is about the trigger… bump stocks don’t effect the way it operates. It’s STILL just a SINGLE shot fired per a single pull of said trigger. That mechanism still must be reset EACH time per round fired. Not exactly rocket science involved there and no reason for this to even be a question, debate, or anything else.

    Bump stocks don’t make a firearm an automatic anymore than pumping the sounds of a V8 into an EV makes it something that uses gasoline.

  4. So the next item that will be needing to be registered or destroyed will be side located belt loops and thumbs. If caught with an unregistered belt loop at your side and/or an unregistered thumb on either hand, you will be commiting a felony. Cost of removal of said thumbs and belt loops will be at the expense of said culprit before serving out consecutive life terms for each item not registered.

    And considering the point that even if not used to commit a crime of firing a weapon, the potential is still there, so after 1 January 20XX, all thumbs will be removed at birth and no more side belt loops will be sewn into any clothing of any kind.

    Doncha just love radical thought patterns?

  5. All gun laws are unconstitutional.
    When the Government tells you, you don’t need a gun (any gun!)
    YOU NEED A GUN!!!!

  6. Let’s face it and be honest. The Federal government has become absolutely corrupt and and infiltrated with Communists in all branches ofthe Federal government. Don’t believe that?…. ok
    Their end goal is to take away all means of protection from you and your family, all while flooding America with MILLIONS OF ILLEGALS. No government would ever do this to their own people. Our Federal government Hates us and they will do as they PLEASE because we and every legal gun we own under the 2nd amendment stand in their way of the NEW WORLD ORDER. I was going to purchase a bumpstock about 15+ years ago but decided that it wasn’t worth the BATF scr@wing with me 20 years down the line. I’m retired from municipal state law enforcement and I have absolutely no trust for the Federal government.

  7. To quote ‘John’ above:

    “ALL gun laws are unconstitutional regardless of the reasoning. Gun laws penalize honest people
    while failing to correct the criminal activity. Criminals are NOT going to obey the ridiculous
    laws, thereby putting regular people who obey laws at risk.”

    Cannot do a thing but **AGREE**!

    This ‘bumpstop’ argument/issue is nothing but the proverbial ‘tempest-in-a-teapot.’ A waste of judicial time/money. Unless, all SCOTUS judges get off their backsides, deciding all such “laws” are unconstitutional, thus cutting off future wastes of such magnitude, while getting to the real issue, that being “correcting” associated ‘criminal activity’ resorting to the oft-used expedient of ‘legislation-from-the-bench.’ ‘Nuff said, me thinks?

  8. To quote “John” above:

    ‘ALL gun laws are unconstitutional regardless of the reasoning. Gun laws penalize honest people
    while failing to correct the criminal activity. Criminals are NOT going to obey the ridiculous
    laws, thereby putting regular people who obey laws at risk.’

    Cannot do a thing but **AGREE**! No further need be said.

    IMCO, all such “laws” need to be rescinded, the sooner the better. This argument re: ‘bumpstocks’ amounts to swatting at gnats. The virtual ‘tempest-in-the-teapot.’ FWIW, a rather stupid waste of judicial time…
    Unless ‘they’, the SCOTUSes, really get down to business, deciding to make all such laws “unconstitutional.”

  9. I believe that our rights are gone according to the constitution The Right To Keep and Bear Arms Shall Not Be Infringed! Afraid that’s old news. They meaning government, have been infringing every time it becomes beneficial to their power to do so. Instead of enforcing laws on the books. Crime is punishable, if they choose to convict specifically, but every time if a firearm is present, that’s what caused it. It’s all about control: they can’t have it if they cant take it away. Their goal is compliance of the population. CONTROL TO EXTREMES, Comunism.

  10. Well, as far as I know, machine guns are NOT illegal if you can afford $25-$35 grand to purchase one, or it is Grandfathered in and registered. So in essence there is no “MACHINE GUN BAN”. Now you know why the average Joe like you and I can’t own a fully auto weapon unless you can afford one. It’s an insanely absurd Law.

  11. the word should means it is nice if it can be done. The word shall is defined as that is how GOD
    intended. Any Questions???????????

  12. I have used a bump stock before and its not that useful.. Maybe for suppressing fire if you get it to function properly. So I kinda don’t care either way. Now that everyone can carry, the government can charge anyone with a gun for a crime and revoke their privileges! Don’t be a victim of this tactic

  13. The attempt at banning bump stocks based on the current legal defitinion is ridiculous. Most people will have a belief or comment in their own point of view. This is understood by everyone and directly relates to the old phrase of everyone also having an anus.

    The more serious situation of the ATF effectively creating their own laws by skipping the legislature is far more frightening. A legal precedence has been set. What happens when our future government agencies take the same path?

    Will the USDA make a rule that no citizen will be allowed to drink milk? How about the Department of Transportation making illegal the use of certain vehicles on public roads? Or even better, the US Mint being directed to print all new money at half the value of our currency?

    Please take your constitutionally granted tights seriously. They might be gone in a generation or two.

    What is happening is that our constitutional rights are slowly being eroded away.

  14. The attempt at banning bump stocks based on the current legal defitinion is ridiculous. Most people will have a belief or comment in their own point of view. This is understood by everyone and directly relates to the old phrase of everyone also having an anus.

    The more serious situation of the ATF effectively creating their own laws by skipping the legislature is far more frightening. A legal precedence has been set. What happens when our future government agencies take the same path?

    Will the USDA make a rule that no citizen will be allowed to drink milk? How about the Department of Transportation making illegal the use of certain vehicles on public roads? Or even better, the US Mint being directed to print all new money at half the value of our currency?

    Please take your constitutionally granted tights seriously. They might be gone in a generation or two.

    What is happening is that our constitutional rights are slowly being eroded away.

  15. The Second Amendment has been under attack for well over a century. We absolutely have the right to have Machine Guns, Tanks, Cannons, or anything else the Gov has…
    “A well regulated Militia” and SCOTUS can stick it up their a** if they think different. It’s WAY past time to stand up and take back our Constitutional Republic. Our Fore-Fathers would have hung these POS already.

  16. We should dispossess the idea of any Nazi Weapons Laws in this country having anything to do with crime. We experience murders in this country as a function of infringement of the 2nd Amendment, not because of it. The vast majority, over 99% of the mass shootings that occur in this country are done so in gun free zones; where the 2nd Amendment is infringed upon entirely, be it through gun free zone laws, infringement of carrying, or prohibitions placed upon certain places. The more it is infringed, the more the people slit their own throats. And the Uniparty government knows this, and does not care. In fact, after every event, it justifies in their mind even more of what caused this wholesale. None of these arms should be banned, heavily restricted or regulated in any way. That we are now looking at bump stocks and wondering if they should be legal is a slap in the face of freedom. They should never have needed to be made in the first place, and full auto should never have been restricted.

    My position on firearms is very different from the left wing, and the NRA. Lefties contend that gun kontrol works. The NRA contends that gun kontrol doesn’t work. And Mr. E contends that gun kontrol is counterproductive and antithetical to a free society. Only one ofthem is right, and it’s me.

  17. We should dispossess the idea of any Nazi Weapons Laws in this country having anything to do with crime. We experience murders in this country as a function of infringement of the 2nd Amendment, not because of it. The vast majority, over 99% of the mass shootings that occur in this country are done so in gun free zones; where the 2nd Amendment is infringed upon entirely, be it through gun free zone laws, infringement of carrying, or prohibitions placed upon certain places. The more it is infringed, the more the people slit their own throats. And the Uniparty government knows this, and does not care. In fact, after every event, it justifies in their mind even more of what caused this wholesale. None of these arms should be banned, heavily restricted or regulated in any way. That we are now looking at bump stocks and wondering if they should be legal is a slap in the face of freedom. They should never have needed to be made in the first place, and full auto should never have been restricted.

    My position on firearms is very different from the left wing, and the NRA. Lefties contend that gun kontrol works. The NRA contends that gun kontrol doesn’t work. And Mr. E contends that gun kontrol is counterproductive and antithetical to a free society. Only one ofthem is right, and it’s me.

  18. Last time I looked Murder was a crime in all 50 states. So if criminals are willing to commit it , all the other accessories laws fall by the way side right! So this is just one more infringement on the road to taking away all the guns! I use to think the politicians were misguided but well
    Meaning. Now I think they have an alternate agenda ! Gotta disarm the peasants before we can completely control

  19. Last time I looked Murder was a crime in all 50 states. So if criminals are willing to commit it , all the other accessories laws fall by the way side right! So this is just one more infringement on the road to taking away all the guns! I use to think the politicians were misguided but well
    Meaning. Now I think they have an alternate agenda ! Gotta disarm the peasants before we can completely control them

  20. All of this crap is happening because Congress passed an unconstitutional amendment in the 1980s, 922(0), that prohibits NEW manufacture of real automatic weapons after may 1986 to be sold to civilians. SO, people have been dreaming up new ways to simulate auto fire ever since ! Repeal the ban and let us purchase and register real auto weapons that we can afford once the ban goes away and prices become affordable again !

  21. Just goes to show you that SCOTUS is as bad as the rest of the courts. All of them are looking after their own financial interests..

  22. I love how Trump outlawed them and the majority of the comments blame President Biden. Putin sure got his moneys worth.

  23. They followed the rules when designed and then the government decided that they were going to change the rules? One thing for sure our government has become run by Communist politicians. Plain and simple. Joe Biden must go! Sooner than later!

  24. Having been in the armed forces, emphasis on ‘armed’, i can attest to what a machine gun versus a bump stock difference is sans the word salads.
    When I fired an ‘automatic weapon, no matter what caliber, as long as I held the trigger back the weapon would continue firing until one of three things would happen: i exhausted the supply of ammunition, the weapon malfunctioned, or i released the back pressure on the trigger. There is the matter of a fourth, but rare incidence, the barrel would become so hot that it would warp and cause a misfire, but that would be inclusive to a malfunction.
    The bump stock only operates on firing a single shot, albeit rapidly, due to the ‘bumping actions’ being transmitted by the movement of the weapon due to recoil. I have done a similar thing to my semi-auto .22 rifle by rapidly moving my trigger finger within the trigger guard. I’m sure there are some in this audience who have done this too. Not very accurate based on target acquisition but lots of fun firing off a clip load of bullets!
    So, that begs the question: was my .22 caliber rifle a machine gun or just being fired at a rapid rate? The answer for you non-gun aficionados is no, it was not a machine gun as it does not mechanically meet the qualifications or systematic functions of a true machine gun.
    It may sound simplistic at this point but let me quote a famous saying: if it walks like a duck, waddles like a duck, quacks like a duck, by golly, it is a duck!
    End of story, word salads , and other BS.
    Bill

  25. This is gone beyond being old. A bump stock does not make a rifle fully automatic and we all know this to include the demoleftist and this is just another attempt to confuse verbage and get deeper into the “let’s ban guns” and the time spent on the subject is a waste of my money and your money due to the fact these people get paid through our tax money.Personelly I do not care for a bump stock because I prefer accuracy and conservation of ammunition. We need to focus on education of the uneducated and shame the idiots like Joyce Behar that said” of you shoot a deer with an AR 15 there would be nothing left to eat” what? As I said this is just a way to take away rights. If I want a full auto I will get the tax stamp and purchase one. At laughed at the “trip wire” statement. This is why you should stay away from drug use,pay attention kids.I started hunting at 5 years old and was instructed then by a Grandfather that was a WWI vet, a dad that was a WWII vet and my favorite Uncle that did one tour in Korea and six tours in Vietnam as a black beret. I have also made a living carrying various firearms for close to thirty years and never had anyone innocent been shot by any of my firearms. We need to educate the young and remove the demoleftist threat before the Country is gone.Also I would like to point out that there is no such thing as evolution for if there were the human brain would be far more advanced by now.The enemy of the State is enjoying all of this.

  26. I don’t have a bump stock; it seems a cumbersome, tricky thing. But I don’t judge the choice or opinion of others on their weapons and if they want a bump stock that’s ok with me. What interests me is the intent of our lawmaker in the context of the times in which the 2nd Amendment was written, 1791. Then, the likely adversary would have been armed with a smoothbore musket or a horse pistol, both single shot and cumbersome to reload. There were no machine guns, no drones, no tanks, no airplanes. There was artillery but it was cumbersome and slow to deploy. So allowing the citizens to defend themselves basically meant allowing them to be armed with the same weapons as the threat they faced. An argument could be made that today the citizen faces much more potent weapons and should be allowed to arm himself accordingly. I sure would like to own an M3A1 greasegun like i carried in Nam. But, I guess I’d settle for what I have if they would just stop trying to take that away from me.

  27. ALL gun laws are unconstitutional regardless of the reasoning. Gun laws penalize honest people while failing to correct the criminal activity. Criminals are NOT going to obey the ridiculous laws, thereby putting regular people who obey laws at risk.

  28. I, too, agree with John C. here. ALL gun laws are infringing! I can easily bump fire every AK on the market & most ARs, 10-22s without a device. Are they going to regulate my finger? ATF believes they can change legislative definitions on a whim. Just not true! This entire ‘Bump Stock’ ruling was all a knee-jerk reaction to one person’s illegal use! It has become the mainstream lib action plan to blame the device, not the illegal actions of any perpetrators!! Criminals NEVER follow laws. Only law abiding citizens suffer from gun laws/infringements! Any excuse to infringe and control works well for any type of dictatorship. I am a CITIZEN, NOT A SUBJECT!!! I vow to continue that status!!! There are extremely, far-reaching repercussions if ATF is allowed to change legislative definitions as desired. If SCOTUS allows this to stand for Bump Stocks, just watch the snowballing effect on every accessory. God bless you all and keep your powder dry, Patriots!

  29. So the original infringements were written to stop the crimes of the mob. Yeah, that sure worked. And that is the root issue. Overturn that unconstitutional law and we start getting things sorted out, no word salads required.

  30. Bump stocks; machine guns; explosives; and the like are not the problem. The problem are the people who use them in inappropriate ways. It is hard but what needs to be done is to address the root of the problem. Not in any particular order. Don’t let the bad guys in the country and enforce the immigration laws that have been enacted. Keep stupid (stupid=behavior that shows a lack of good sense or judgment) people from breeding. (don’t have a clue on how to achieve this but raising children to be responsible kind adults would certainly benefit society.) Keep law breakers in jail to serve full terms and do not let them out unless they have rehabilitated themselves. Address gang violence, most neighborhood gangs, like stupid parents serve as a breeding ground for lawlessness. The list could go on, but what I am getting at is like a few say “guns don’t kill people, people kill people” Lets get society back on track.

  31. Our national legislative history proves that all laws have unintended consequences. The NFA and GCA both passed panicked congresses in response to specific historical events. The NFA was born to disarm terrifying “mobsters” of the early 20th Century. The GCA was written in response to JFK’s assassination. So, we have complicated, poorly defined definitions and legal processes that originally tried to solve one specific set of problems but instead created a host of vague legal minefields. What began as a straight-forward expression of constitutionally enumerated individual rights and liberties generationally degenerated into a muddled mess of interpreted rules with serious felonious penalties. No corrective action can be implemented now. The political will of the country is too focused on the side of “safety” and “security” to contemplate the tyranny looming on the other side.

  32. Why does anyone with a half of a brain keep blaming guns, gun parts, or any thing gun related for people being killed?? It is people that kill and keep killing, if they don’t have a gun they will use a knife, car, broken bottle or their own hands and feet to kill. So what if someone thinks I don’t need a bump stock, that is none of someone else’s business what I have or don’t have.

  33. I see no problem with “bump stocks”. Disabled veterans can feel more comfortable at a range with a bump stock. They would likely be more confident with hunting if they could fire a second round faster. If firing too fast is the problem I have known two people with a “hair trigger” adjustments that allow very quick repeat shots. I heard about some of the traveling gun shows sponsored by gun manufacturers who were fast shooters that shot quickly and well. JB said he wanted to get rid of most guns because they were “ridiculous”.
    What about Vice President Joe Biden told Field & Stream magazine in an interview published Monday, “[if] you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door.”. US News (re-quote) Feb. 28, 2013 (if he were treated like everybody else, he would likely lose the gun and spend some time behind bars for reckless firing of his gun.)
    I prefer the stated god given rights to my right to keep my gun to defend my home and family (with the same capacity of bullets / shells that any violent criminal may bring with them) without concern that the government will “infringe” on my right to keep and bear arms.

  34. a bump stock cannot fire the rifle any faster than the trigger will allow it to. or any faster than a shooter can pull the trigger. But a binary trigger might. A binary trigger is like two triggers, one resets while the other is depressed. they work 180 degrees opposite each other. Of course the gun cannot be steadied when the second shot is fired when letting up after firing the first.

  35. I can see no legal reason whatsoever for anyone to have a bump stock. None. But “shall not be infringed” means “not even a little bit”. So while bumpstocks obviously SHOULD be illegal, the constitution says they are not.

  36. “The Biden Administration is bringing US to an “it won’t matter what Laws are in effect , survival will depend on how much, how fast and how long you can shoot to live.”

  37. I agree that the mission of this Administration is to Disarm this Country, so they can have total control over the population. This is exactly what Hitler, Stalin, Mao did to name a few. We need to reflect on what has currently happened in Ukraine and Israel with a unarmed population. This could happen in the US. Socialism is Communism re- branded……WAKE UP AMERICA!

  38. If we’re following rabbit holes and stupid hypotheticals, then a sear isn’t part of a trigger, it’s part of a trigger assembly. That means that a machine gun isn’t a machine gun. This ruling has the potential to open up some terrible opportunities for gun grabbers. Cant wait to read Kagan’s and Brown-Jackson’s comments. Psycho stuff going on in this country.

  39. I have not been able to make sense of the Los Vegas shooters use of a bump stock, he had much more deadly methods at his immediate command, airplane, station wagon full of tannerite. That event had all the earmarks of an op, with the purpose of focusing on bump stocks as a new destructive, deadly tool allowed by the trump admin and the NRA

  40. I am still back there with “Shall Not Be Infringed”. I am not opposed to capital punishment for using a weapon with the intent to kill or injure as many people as possible. As I read the Second Amendment it says the right of the people to bear arms. Not some arms. Not arms less powerful than the authorities. The Second Amendment is there to protect the people from invasion from outside elements, a government not obeying the Constitution or the Courts to reign it in, or a personal assault. To my mind, there is no allowed limitation in the Second Amendment as to type, caliber or rate of fire. It would be nice if the legislators and the courts would take an interest in the safety of its citizens to not free those dangerous to us.

  41. The 2nd amendment limits the government, NOT the people. Seems the “shall not be infringed” part has been infringed 10’s of thousands of times, probably more. For me it’s not a bump stock issue, it’s not a trigger issue, it’s not a “machinegun” issue it’s a government infringement issue.

  42. Does this mean Jerry Miculek is at risk of losing his trigger finger? If the Court is worried that bump stocks and machine guns are too deadly (as opposed to deadly enough?), then I’m glad they did not consider how much more death and injury the Las Vegas shooter could have inflicted if he had used a traditional stock and taken aim on each victim.

  43. The main reason that the liberal socialist democrats and the jackbooted ATF want to disarm America is control, a study of history will tell that any dictatorship or Marxist dictatorship will first disarm the citizens then we are at their mercy. Wake up America!!!

  44. I may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, BUT, in regards to ‘bump stocks’ vs ‘Machine Guns’,
    A weapon is fired by a trigger mechanism. A semi auto weapon fires 1 round per trigger action.
    A machine gun fires multiple rounds with 1 action of the trigger mechanism.
    Being able to rapidly operate a trigger mechanism does not automatically turn a weapon in to a machine gun.
    The weapon still only fires 1 round per trigger action no matter how fast or what accessory allows the operator to perform that action.
    I have no problem with bump stocks and do believe they should be legal to own !!!

  45. I may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, BUT, in regards to ‘bump stocks’ vs ‘Machine Guns’,
    A weapon is fired by a trigger mechanism. A semi auto weapon fires 1 round per trigger action.
    A machine gun fires multiple rounds with 1 action of the trigger mechanism.
    Being able to rapidly operate a trigger mechanism does not automatically turn a weapon in to a machine gun.
    The weapon still only fires 1 round per trigger action no matter how fast or what accessory allows the operator to perform that action.
    I have no problem with bump stocks and do believe they should be legal to own !!!

  46. Bump stocks: I’m retired police Lt. & personally I like the bump stock. The price of ammunition is so high now that I will not be expending lots of ammunition playing with a bump stock weapon. But I’d like to have a dedicated AR for self-defense when the situation arises that requires one. Criminals do not respect the law (any law) and will nearly always have the hottest new weapon that they can get their hands on. This ban of bump stocks merely makes the majority of law-abiding citizens, most of adults in American, under armed. Especially after recently illegal Chinese have entered the country of military age. Enough Chinese males to staff over one and a half divisions of infantry, by my count.

  47. I think it is high time that all citizens and groups (like NRA) who have conservative values, think the Second Amendment should not be infringed and like to and have decided to own guns, need to turn things around and vehemently go on the offensive. The gun hating libs and lefties want to limit and ban more and more. We need to push by EVERY means necessary, getting rid of EVERY GUN LAW in OUR country. No more background checks, no more needing a CCW License, no waiting period to get a gun, no bans or excessive limits on any type of firearm, (Full Auto, SBR, etc.). No laws about guns other than you can’t shoot another person or another person’s property.

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