Firearms

Review: Springfield M1A — When a .223 Just Won’t Do

A young shooter enjoying the M1A.

Some time ago, I began upgrading my on duty gear by a great degree. During the war on terror, and the war on drugs, peace officers often faced heavily-armed felons willing to shoot it out with peace officers. Working in a rural environment, where every household it seemed had a scope-mounted rifle, also colored my choices. The primary focus was people passing through, and I worked a pipeline of drug smuggling.

Springfield M1A rifle with Hornady ammunition
Springfield and Hornady make a great combination.

The dynamics of the incidents I survived were little different than those faced by urban officers, and the rifle never came into play. Just the same, it would not have been wise to not be prepared on a level playing field. In common with Washington State Police at the time, and the LAPD a little earlier, I began with a Winchester .30-30 WCF rifle in the trunk. Later, I tried the SKS rifle and then the Colt HBAR. Each had its points.

While I subscribe to the one-shot one-hit paradigm sometimes one doesn’t do it and sometimes the shot misses. Having to work a bolt or lever is ridiculous when quality self-loading rifles are available. The availability of a hard hitting .308 caliber self-loader made for the ideal patrol rifle.

Although I have long been retired, if I were back in the saddle today and working the same area, I would deploy the Springfield M1A .308 rifle. This hard hitting rifle is hell on barricades and would be a good roadblock gun. The .223 rifle’s frangible bullets make it a good urban choice but not so good for rural use. If humanely putting down large domestic and wild animals that have ran afoul of trucks and cars are a duty—common in rural areas—the .308 looks even better.

The SOCOM is a fast handling and effective .308.
The SOCOM is a fast handling and effective .308.

The 7.62x51mm NATO cartridge will successfully engage subjects behind cover or while wearing heavy body armor. The .308 will cut through two vehicle doors, and still exhibit excellent wound potential. I once personally experienced a .45 ACP bullet bouncing off tempered door glass when it hit the glass at a severe angle. On another occasion, a .41 Magnum 210-grain load penetrated a door, struck the heavy metal backing of a 1970s Chrysler front seat, and bounced upward and through the roof.

This should not occur with the .308 Winchester. The .308 beats all handguns, .223 rifles, and shotgun slugs for penetration and accuracy. Pistol caliber carbines are a poor choice for police work, but I suppose they are a useful expedient for half-trained individuals.

The history of the M1A is interesting. The U.S. Army adopted the M14 rifle after the Korean War with the rifle officially adopted in the later 1950s. It was in some ways an historic upgrade of the successful M1 Garand rifle but with a 20-round box magazine. The M14 is chambered for the .308 Winchester. The .308 Winchester 7.62x51mm NATO is a rimless .300 Savage or a short .30-06 Springfield depending on your source.

The M1A is enjoyable for shooters of all ages.
A young shooter enjoying the M1A.

This was a rifle that was termed a battle rifle in the day. Heavy but powerful, the M14 was designed for European warfare, and to handle human wave attacks as we faced in Korea. The AR-15 rifle replaced the M14, but that is another story. In the early 1960s, Springfield Armory—the military branch not the modern company that bears the name—produced a number of match grade M14 rifles. These rifles were match-type rifles without the selector switch or the possibility of being converted to fully automatic fire. They used Garand internal parts hence the M1A designation.

This is the rifle the Springfield Armory M1A1 rifle is based on. With good accuracy, real power, and a 20-round magazine, the rifle gives a trained shooter many options. Lets face it, when intervening cover of even moderate resistance is present, the .223 simply doesn’t cut it. Structural members, or even heavy glass, will defeat the .223 but not the .308.

Tactical Matters

If you love the AR-15’s ergonomics, the M1A may not endear itself to you at first. The safety is located in the front of the trigger guard and must be pressed forward with the firing finger, and while it works fine with practice it requires acclimation. The magazine change is also different. The rearward rocking motion, after insertion, locks the magazine in place. To remove the mag, the magazine release is actuated, and the magazine rocked forward.

Springfield M1A
Manufacturer Springfield, Inc.
Caliber 7.62 NATO (.308)
Overall Length 38 to 41 inches, Scout and SOCOM rifles
Weight 9.2 pounds
Sights Military post and aperture
Capacity 10- or 20-round box mag
Trigger 5- to 6-pound, two-stage military

Optics

One of my M1A rifles is fitted with the EOTech HWS. This red dot is among the finest and most proven ever fielded. It makes for fast hits and excellent accuracy. I have learned to use the chin weld versus the cheek weld and visibility is excellent. The other rifle is fitted with a Leatherwood Hi-Lux riflescope. This scope features a long eye relief, as the scope must be mounted ahead of the receiver. For precision shooting, this is the ticket. Then again, the EOTech also is very accurate. The rifle has many choices, but be certain to get the mission down pat before you purchase expensive optics.

Ammunition Choices

When I have the time to load, the Hornady 155-grain A Max and 40.5 grains of H4895 for 2,400 fps is a great overall loading. Accurate, and with a bullet well suited to taking medium game, I like this combination. For serious deployments, the Hornady Black is a good choice. This loading uses the 168-grain A Max. This has been an accurate combination that I find ideally suited to many tasks. Remember, garbage in garbage out. Feed your rifle good stuff.

What is your favorite load for the M1A? Do you use it for hunting, self-defense, or target shooting? Submit your answers in the comment section.

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Comments (42)

  1. Here are 3 variants of the BRM-59s for sale. I hope it is ok to post them in here! The use M-1 Garand receivers among other parts including the stock
    I hope this helps someone out. Currently the are out of m affordable range…..Even IF they are on sale..
    You can get full information on each rifle (and videos 2 of the pages) on the respective rifle’s page…….
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  2. Full power rifle cartridges are not appropriate for police work. Back in the day LE guys used Remington 600 carbines and found the operation of the bolt was not a draw back because they hit on the first shot. The M1A used only the rear sight, a couple of trigger group components and the rear sling swivel from the M1. Iron sights are used out to 600, 800 and 1000 yards in Service Rifle Competition. But then, that’s by real riflemen.

  3. Bought a SA M1A in circa 2001. before the Gulf War, and the ensuing price increases. Got a walnut stocked loaded standard blued. Put a 4×16 scope on it. Interestingly, at 100 ydsat 16pwr, one could see the bullets break paper before the action would cycle! It shot MOA groups w/factory ammo, no problems. Got a coupon w/ the gun, allowed me to but a SA Rifle case and a NOS GI bbl at a discount. Paid 70-80 $$ for a NOS GI contour chrome-lined 4 groove TRW bbl. Acquired other parts as spare. Before the last Presidential election, sent the bbl to LRB Arms. Had it mounted on an LRB (the only producer of mil-spec forged receivers I,m aware of) M25 receiver. Have it setting on a GI walnut stock w/all hardware I got for $15. Great rifle & a pleasure to shoot!

  4. I use the AR-15, M1A, and Garand for target shooting. The M1A is an ideal in between gun. If I had to make a choice I would choose the M1A.

  5. Love my standard M1A with bird cage flash hider and bayonet lug (Cultural Essential). Know how to use it, got the basic training trophy to prove it. This M1A configuration is basically an M-14 Battle Rifle. The M-14E2 version has the automatic sear attachment and selector. Fairly worthless unless pray and spray is your objective. Iron sights are enough out to 400 yards, the handguard rail and the single screw side mount rail are only good for less than you would desire in terms of accuracy. Assault Rifles like M4, AK47 are less useful beyond 200 yards than the M1A. When you get older the 7.62×51 has too much recoil. I have gone to 6mm Creedmoor (6CM), tremendous accuracy and recoil is low enough to spot your our own rounds head down in the glass and dynamically reengage as required. Supersonic past 1300 yards, the recoil factor makes it better than 6.5CM. I asked Springfield if they have any plans to add off caliber barrel options to their system. They said NO. Too bad an M1A format in 6CM with a solid two point rail attachment would be awesome. 6CM is good for large deer out to 450 yards, with a 105gr bullet, better than a 243W.

    1. Saw a video report were a muzzle brake that replaces the flash hider on the M1A significantly helps tame the recoil of the 7.62×51 round. I got one from Springfield for my M1A but haven’t installed it yet.

    2. Replaced the flash hider with a muzzle brake and it works great, significantly taming the recoil of the 7.62×51 round (a great round), which my old shoulders appreciate. My M1A didn’t have a bayonet lug so no issue there. But I know what you mean about not wanting to remove the bayonet lug as I have an original WWll GI issue .30 caliber M1 Carbine that was made in 1944 that has a bayonet lug – and it is staying original.

    3. Yes the Loaded M1A in 6.5 CM is nice but they still will not release one of those barrels so I can retro fit.

  6. Just got first semi auto rifle, the Socom16. I love it! I did buy a eotech but on the scout rail the donut of death is to big. Paid $ for that so i was kinda pissed, put it on the Mossberg500 and up closer to eye is alot better. I just bought a burris 2-7scout scope and installed a cheek riser that i hope works out better for me. Its kinda hard to have both eyes open because im used to the hunting bolts…

    1. @Marty i have the SOCOM CQB in the archangel stock and i have a Leatherwood HI-LUX LER scope that works perfectly and fits my socom 16 perfectly to scope these the Leatherwood or the leupold LER are the two best LER scopes to use .Expensive scopes but so is the rifle .100.00 opics do not work well with 1800.00 rifles .Ijust use QD rings and switch out from the LER scope to mt EOTECH halo sight depending on how far i plan to shoot that day .The farthest i have done with this rifle is 500 meters and with the leatherwood scope was hitting the steel sil o’s easily once sighted in for that range .The rifle will do it if the shooter sets it up right and has a little skill i also switch it from the polymer stock to a NM walnut at times and it really shoots well in the wood stock .

  7. I first fired a M-14 in ’64 at Fort Ord, Claifornia for Army basic training. The maximum effective range was being reduced from 500 yards to 460 meters as we were going metric at the time. The M-16 which followed had to have the same effective range or their may have been political fallout preventing the new M-16 from being adopted. The M-14 I had was magic, it hit all the long range targets, but somehow missed a few up close. It inspired a lot of confidence. Later in ’66 at Fort Benning I fired the M-14A1, a full automatic with a pistol grip stock a fold down foregrip, bipod, muzzle brake. It had a effective range of 700 Meters (Might have been yards, Mr. Memory is AWOL) All done with open sights (Hard to see a man standing still at 500 yards) anyway the qualification was touchy as you had to make magazine changes under time pressure, that was hard.

    I love the M-14 and would likely love a M1A. I do have AR-10’s though.

  8. I think the topic of the value of the M1A has gone awry. Its original advantage was the ability to penetrate objects and make effective hits at ranges far beyond the 460 meters of the M16. Now for fun, just google the max effective (point target) range of the M16, M4, M14, and Socom M1a. You get differing and goofy numbers…M16–500 yards, M4—-400 yards, Socom Mia (16,25 barrel)—300 meters. Says who? A whole bunch of experts. The author said he worked rural where drug runners often travelled. Been there done that, highway patrol backup running 100 mph could still be 15 minutes and they had to find you, I was a park ranger, and trying to find some of those boonies places in the dark could take 1/2 hour. The .308 goes thru a car door or brush pile or even trees whereas the 5.56.223 may stop way too early. Point is the authors use is far more relevant that range issues. And, I can tell you 100% for a fact, that there is no such thing as a self defense shooting at 800 yards while you and the other guy lob well controlled rounds thought your $2,800 ninja rifle with its $2,200 nuclear powered digicon VIII optic. If you are shooting very far with any weapon, it legally gets to a point that it is not defense and your attorney cannot make it one. Just saying, there is so much hype and BS on these blogs. One last example. I have killed in excess of 100 deer over 44 years of hunting, and yes we ate them all. Because I read lots of material I would never have hunted deer with the 30 cal carbine, because all the experts said it was worthless. Now, for about 8-9 years now, I keep seeing pictures of all these massive B and C deer killed with a 300 BLK at ranges beyond 200 yards. That is nuts because the 30 cal carbine had about the same energy with the same 110 grain bullet at 150 yards…..also, we know some states and areas are shotgun and archery only and that is the trend. Most deer are killed at 150 yards or less, so with that in mind, are all the ninjas wrong? If you can shoot well at all, do you really need anything more than 30cal carbine or 300 BLK for deer? Probably not. But that is not the question here, the question is posed for what we use the M1a for. I would not use one for hunting, but if I were a park ranger in the boonies again, absolutely. ARs are fine but the M1A is a piece of art firing a round that is far superior.

    1. Best quote I’ve seen about the M1A: “ARs are fine but the M1A is a piece of art firing a round that is far superior.” Well said.

  9. I first learned the M-14 at Ft. Benning, summer of 1969 at Harmony Church are.I have never fired a better weapon ( I have a Garand) . My Windham Weaponry AR 7.62 X 51 mm is an excellent weapon as well but aI just love the M1A for its ergonomics. Shot high Sharpshooter first time out with M-14, hitting pop up targets at 400 Meters within my first week with the weapon. And that was with a weapon that had been used and abused by multitudes of Basic Trainees before me. With a little more practice and a better (less used) set up M-14, I beleive I coudl have shot Expert. I just have a love affair with it. My M1A always goes to the range with me – no matter what ever else I may be using that day.

  10. I bought the M1a Socom a few years back and worked hard to get a long eye relief scope that fit, then had to build up a pad on the stock to get a proper line up on the scope. Once I had it all dialed in, accuracy was still avg at best. So I sold it and bought a good quality AR10. Accuracy is much much better,. And it has a better muzzle brake and softer cycling in the action, the recoil is lighter. So I just don’t understand the sentimentalism for the M1. Get a nice AR10 ….

  11. Having carried both the 1911 and M 14 myself as a young MP, I can never fault anyone for that group. I once put 7 magazines thru one full auto as fast as I could reload….. tip…. do not do that.. the barrel will turn red. As far as carry, I do not have one but decided to try and carry my Garand on a deer hunt once. Gosh those things are heavy now. I see all these mall ninja buying $2,500 bolts with $200 scopes so they can claim they kill a deer or antelope at 500 yards and beyond. Heck, back in the day, I shot an antelope at 600 yards with a $200 Winchester 70 and a $100 weaver. If they are such good hunters today, why not just hunt with the M1A or Garand and use the little peep sights. or how about all those predator hunters—why not try shooting those yotes with an open sight revolver? We all know why, they cannot do it. Duh.

    1. Cheers! I’m not sure what a mall ninja is but I’ve been cayote hunting with a 1938 model K98 8mm Mauser I picked up for $500 12years ago. I don’t hunt for pelts, I just want them gone. Hit one with hard sights at 300yards couple months ago. Definitely agree that those rich kids can’t shoot even with $3000 gear

    2. I agree. Apparently, markmanship is a dying art. All those pricey scopes may be useful under certain circumstances, but what’s the matter with learning to shoot and hunt with plain old open sights. No matter which firearm, the great Garand, the equally great M1A, or my trusty .30-30 Winchester, I’ve always hit what I aimed at, even at 500 yards – with open sights. Heck, I once hit a little Sparrow (that was sitting on a fence post) dead-center at 80 yards off-hand with an open-sighted single-six revolver – with a .22 short (remember those?). The bullet had such little energy left it didn’t even exit. Great equipment might be nice, but when it comes to shooting well, it’s good old-fashion marksmanship that counts the most.

  12. I concur. During a 30 year career in the US Army, I fired multiple REAL Assault Rifles: German G3, Belgian FN, Russian & Chinese AK-47 and our own M16A1, A2, A4 & M4 Rifles. I truly believe that the Springfield M14/M1A is the greatest rifle ever made.

  13. I carried the M-14 in Vietnam. It fired when dirty, which was something the M-16 wouldn’t do at the time. I now have an M-1A. I think it is the best combat rifle ever made. I have the Loaded version stainless barrel. I prefer open sights. My Marine buddy has the National Match with a scope. He covers the long shots, and I cover the shorter range shots. I wouldn’t trade mine for anything else.

  14. I agree with HW Stone that an AR 10 is preferable to an M 14 type
    I have a Federal Ordnance M 14 and it is a fine rifle
    All steel and wood, I have a Zeus’s Conquest scope mounted on a Sadlak mount
    Great gun but heavy and long
    Also, don’t buy from Springfield as they supported anti gun laws and politicians in Illinois
    If you want an old style rifle of this type, buy one from Fulton Armory

  15. I have had a number of occasion to deploy outside the country on various projects over the years.. Have in the earlier years went thru several platform, calibers, an optics.
    A platform, any platform, must be able to be easily brought into action within any engagement envelope without a loss of it given specifications or performance.
    Simply defined one must be able to as quickly engage from the inside of a vehical, within a structure, urban street to open engagement distances out to 600 to 800 meters, in the case of a long gun.
    I have come to a personal and very effective solution for this across the board requirement of long barreled, stocked shotgun and rifle platforms.
    I have carried the BullPup configured Remington 870 12ga and Springfield SOCOM now for a number of years. This is from my POV the most effective weapon configuration for any deployment envelope.
    On the 870 a RedDot with mid-profile 45° canted iron sights serves as its everyday setup. It’s leant shortened by nearly 11 inches makes it easily deployed from a seated position inside a vehical, to any man position in a tactical or breaching stack. It’s shortened leant allows for faster threat response while keeping a 16 to 18 inch barrel leant uneffected. If one considers the increased response time, from tighter positions, for either counter fire or offensive deployment in urban confines. The BullPup configuration of an old standard expands its envelope by a great degree.
    This same configuration when applied to the Springfield SOCOM or the Scout effectively expands its engagement envelops in the same manner as the 870. The shorter overall leant without shortening the action or barrel allow for greater positive deployment opportunities. I use and carry several optics depending on expected use or mission requirement. Long Distance falls to a 5.5×50 ACOG, Red Chevron reticle, on a QD Mount zeroed at 250 meters with a lowprofile reddot sidemounted to the scope zeroed at 125 meters with fold down 45° ghost ring iron sites.
    For short, urban and tight deployment ranges a standard AR ACOG on a QD Mount is most effective. With the 45° ghost iron sights as backup.
    In addition the BullPup is easily carried on a single point harness in the same manner as an M4, is quickly shouldered, and as quickly engaged but with a great deal of more effective firepower.
    As a side note I started this journey to being a BullPup convert with a bowrrowed Steyr AUG some years ago. My EDC today is and has been the MSAR STG556. Modified to use AR as well as platform specific magazines and topped with an ECON RedDot an 45° ghost sights.
    All three platforms fit into one Pelican Case for transport.
    My 870 is stocked in a Bullpup Unlimited aftermarket product. Made in the USA. They also make a product for a Mossberg 500 too.
    The SOCOM is housed in a Rouge Chassis.
    Both are very durable and I have found no complaints with either product over the time I have used them
    One now has M4 size and deployability with a significant increase in power.
    As to munitions. I have found the military 7.62×51 Match in 168gr are quite sufficient out to 600 meters. For greater distance I carry hand loads made up of the Barns 168gr TAC-X bullet using 42.5gr of IMR 4320. This load in the shorter barrel
    Is accurate out to 800 meters when on a bipod or rest.
    Yes…. it’s a heavier platform than an M4 and one carries somewhat less of an ammo load out.
    However … the pro’s of deploying this kind of significant firepower in the engagement envelopes encountered today regardless of that being military, LEO, contract or privet sector out weighs the few Cons when the expanded capabilities of such a simple modification is considered and understood.
    I can attest to this expanded capability of the bullpup platform as I’m currently able to write of it here. It is my own point of view that is founded on real world expierance and I expect no epiphanies here. I wish only to offer a lesser know but very effective modification to the M1A.
    We seem to forget these days that Old Tech that is still in use today, still in production and nearly unchanged in design and operation from it introduction finds itself still serving on the front line for proven performance in nearly every condition, environment, and situation that could ever be considered.
    I would go so far as to suggest that one will always find an M1A or variant, the pump shotgun in 12ga, and some form of pistol chambered in .45APC, well after I have gone an likely into the 22nd century in the better armories of the world and on an active status. Some things just can’t get better just modified to preform at their designed best!

  16. Wouldn’t an AR-10 be a better choice? Same ergonomics as an AR-15 but in .308. The M-14 is a fine rifle but the AR-10 in carbine version would be a better choice for a patrol rifle.

  17. When we (my trainee and me – I was a TO) arrived at the scene, all traffic on both sides of the freeway was stopped. The CHP officer was on foot, his motorcycle laying nearby, with his baton (aka night stick) in his hand as he was being chased by the bull. Apparently, he had used his baton on the bull, which is probably why the bull was aggressively chasing him (it’s not a good idea to smack a bull with a baton). Unfortunately, I didn’t have my M1A with me, and the 12 gauge had only 00 buck in it (no slugs, which were preferred), but 00 buck would have been too risky with so many bystanders. Fortunately, and having done this before, I knew a well-placed slug from my .45 would do the trick – and it did.

  18. The M1A is a dandy rifle. But because I worked as a peace officer in a big-city environment the M1A was not practical to be routinely deployed. The only time it was actually deployed was during a particularly violent riot situation that occurred sometime ago.
    However, there were other situations where my M1A would have come in handy. Even though it was a big-city environment there were several meat packing houses in the area, and occasionally some of the steers (and even bulls) would get loose and threaten anything – or anybody – in their path. So we had to rely upon our 12 gauge or.45’s to do the job, for public safety. One of the more interesting times, a very big (and very mean and agressive) Brahma bull was chasing a CHP officer around an 18-wheeler, on a major freeway during rush-hour traffic, so I had to very carefully dispatch the bull – safely – using only my .45 pistol.

  19. I have the SOCOM CQB model with an EOTECH halo sight and leatherwood hi lux LER scope i switch out for longer range shots .I love this rifle the brake on the barrel reduces recoil by over 50 % and has the recoil of a standard AK but with 308 win power and very accurate out to 500 meters with the 16.25 inch barrel on a bipod .IU was able to hit steel gongs easily at 500 meters all day once the scope was set up .If you want a short compact heavy duty rifle for any SHTF get the socom you wont regret it.

  20. A good hard hitter for ARs,.223 77grain otms ! ARS are faster, better,and you have so much more ammo in the rifle and on your person!

  21. I will never bad mouth the M1A. My comment is carried one in the Army Military Police long ago (M14). Shot expert with it every time I touched it, same with Garand and M16. However, it is heavy and slow to move in brush or close quarters. I once put 7 mags full auto thru one as fast as I could do so. Lots of lightning going down range,,,,LOL. IN civilian law enforcement I carried a mini 14, then later went to the mini 30. Shot one huge deer mini 30 and learned that full penetration similar to a 30-06 is guaranteed. As this author says, you simply cannot get much penetration with a 55 grain bullet, duh? A good compromise is an AR or Minie 30 in 7.62 x 39, with 150 grain bullets. If you check online, people have been killing elk with the little SKS for decades. Certainly not for me, just know it was common in Colorado before the big AR boom.

    1. Agree OLD GRINGO how can you knock such a great American icon of a rifle like the M1A.only the people cannot afford them ever knock them and they most have never shot nor held 1 even .So they just talk crap about their puny AR rifles even in 7.62 AR rifles are an outdated POS they been looking to replace for 5 decades .An M1A will never be outdated or not fancy .It is the ICON of mil-type weapons made in AMERICA

    2. “.only the people cannot afford them ever knock them…”

      My, how elitist of you. I guess us poor peons will have to make do with our ARs.

  22. Why must your Leatherwood scope get mounted ‘forward of the receiver’? Neither of mine are. One uses a G,G&G mount. The other one a Brookfield Precision mount.

    1. I have the socom CQB SCOUT rifle there is a way to scope it with a regular mount but i like the scout mount look instead and if it works why replace it with a mount and scope that hooks to the receiver and rear sight i can still use my open sights with the scope on and i can still speed load with 7.62 nato stripper clips.That is 2 reasons why i use the LER scope .And i hate AR rifles hated my M4 while serving in the army cav and by no way easier to clean .

  23. for a semiauto .308 I’ll take a DPMS-pattern AR, easier to clean than a Garand-style action, same as a M16 / AR15, just bigger, and 25-rd mags are available for it, as well as adjustable LoP stocks

  24. The M1A has a lot going for it, but it is the last breath of an old technology, and older design. It is good, it lasts a long time, but the sight mounting is less than optimal, and ease of model feature change is costly and difficult.

    I still like it, but I strongly suggest comparing it and the features with the AR10 before you buy either of them.

    And a fair number will go with the M1A, the same way some people just prefer an old jeep over a modern computer driven “even more capable” Jeep made now, and some will look at Hummers, instead, just for that edge of ability.

    Think it through, people. Think it through.

    1. AR RIFLES suk period .I will take the .308 MIA.JMHO after two tours in the sandbox and seeing the old M14’S broke out and scoped and how they performed against the M16 and M4’S.Keep those plastic toys .

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