Ammunition

Why You Should Give the 10mm Automatic a Chance

RIA 10mm 1911 Commander

Quite a few shooters, myself included, cling to the handguns they have used for many years and don’t give newer rounds a chance. As an example, for most of the past 30 years, I have relied on the .45 automatic pistol and .357 Magnum revolver.

Today, I have finally found a cartridge that combines the advantages of each. I am glad I took the opportunity to test the 10mm and give it a fair shake.

There is much to like about the 10mm. It is a powerful-but-controllable cartridge with excellent accuracy potential. Since the 10mm demands a .45 size frame, it is ideal for many of us, as the size and weight of the heavier pistol offer good control.

Benefits of the 10mm

The 10mm offers range and penetration improvements over both the .40 and the .45 cartridges. While wear is a concern, with the proper recoil spring system, this is less of a consideration.

With attention to load practice, the 10mm responds well to cartridge development, both by handloaders and by the factory. As Colonel Cooper said, there are things that may be accomplished at 50 yards with the 10mm that cannot be accomplished with the .45.

The 10mm qualifies as a go-anywhere, do-anything handgun capable of personal defense, defense against dangerous animals and hunting game in the deer and boar class.

An inevitable comparison of the 10mm and .357 Magnum must be addressed. It is generally assumed the .357 Magnum is more powerful than the 10mm. With modern loads, this isn’t necessarily true.

Another advantage is that the 10mm begins with a .400-inch bullet. Whether it expands or not, the frontal diameter of the 10mm is greater than the .357 Magnum.

Top-end loads, such as the . 357 Magnum Buffalo Bore 180-grain hard cast, will beat the 10mm for energy and penetration when fired in like barrel lengths.

Barring the Coonan, however, the .357 Magnum is a revolver cartridge. This makes the 10mm a very interesting cartridge for those that prefer the self-loader for personal defense.

Sig P220 10mm
There are a number of powerful combinations in this caliber.

Revolver vs. Semi-Automatic

Then there is the Ruger GP100 and the Smith and Wesson 610 revolver. The question might be, why the revolver? Due to the popularity of the 10mm, ammunition is readily available—more so than the .41 Magnum, as an example.

Recoil is less than most Magnum cartridges and the 10mm offers good performance. It isn’t a Magnum, but the 10mm is a respectable number.

While some prefer a revolver, the self-loader is controllable in rapid-fire and puts hits into a target more quickly.

Animal attacks often demand that the handgun be pressed into the animal’s body and fired repeatedly. The automatic would jam after the first shot. The revolver will keep firing.

The bottom line is that either will save your life if you practice with the chosen handgun. There are advantages to the revolver that cannot be overlooked.

Either type is well-suited to the shooter that desires more power for one reason or the other, and the 10mm is much easier to master than the .41 Magnum for field use. It seems it will prove easier to master than the .357 Magnum as well.

Ruger’s GP100 is an interesting and effective handgun.

Recoil Control

Controlling recoil in self-loaders is a consideration that requires some research. A significant difference in handling and recoil impulse between pistols may be traced to the recoil spring.

As an example, the Ruger SR1911 exhibits healthy recoil. It will feed and function with lighter 10mm loads.

When I first obtained the Kimber Custom II 1911 in 10mm, I was disappointed that it would not cycle with my 180-grain 1050 fps handloads. When I moved to full-power 10mm loads, I was surprised.

The Kimber not only functioned perfectly, but recoil was considerably abated as well.

A heavy recoil spring that harnesses the power of the caliber is essential. You may change the recoil spring for a lighter version for lighter loads. (Try the Wilson Combat Spring Caddy.)

The Ruger isn’t a bad gun and will feed any commercial loading. The Kimber as delivered is properly set up for heavy loads. A heavy recoil spring and Wilson Combat magazines make for a service grade set up for the Ruger SR1911 as well.

Ruger SR1911 10mm
The Ruger SR1911 is among the best buys on the market.

Load Selection

The first question when choosing ammunition must be, “Is it reliable?” There are good loads available that feed, cycle and function reliably.

The Hornady 155- and 180-grain XTP loads have proven accurate in the Ruger 10mm handguns, both revolver and automatic. The 155-grain load expands more quickly and offers an excellent balance of penetration and expansion.

The 180-grain load is a good hunting load for taking thin-skinned game.

I like the Critical Duty 175-grain load for general use. Designed for those agencies that issue the 10mm, this is a first-class service load.  Feed reliability and accuracy are excellent.

For those desiring to deploy a load for protection against the big cats and feral dogs, one of Buffalo Bore’s hard-hitting all-copper hollow points fit the bill.

For protection against bears—and this is a stretch for any handgun—Buffalo bore’s hard-cast bullets offer extreme penetration that just may do the business.

Federal Cartridge Company introduced one of the most powerful factory 10mm loads a few years ago. The 180-grain bonded core load breaks a solid 1275 fps in most handguns. This is an excellent hunting load that has taken its share of deer.

For those wishing to limit penetration in home defense, Honor Defense, maker of the Honor Guard pistols, offers a special composition bullet that rapidly fragments in gelatin testing, but offers good penetration against light cover.

Overall, selection is broad and interesting for this ammunition.

10mm Auto Ammunition
There are many choices with this caliber.

Here are a few charts of ammunition comparisons:

10mm Average Velocity 5-inch Barrel 1911

Load Velocity
SIG Sauer 180-grain V-Crown 1198 fps
Hornady 155-grain XTP 1402 fps
Hornady 180-grain XTP 1180 fps
Buffalo Bore 155-grain Barnes 1255 fps
Buffalo Bore 200-grain hard-cast 1220 fps
Federal 200-grain HST 1124 fps

.45 ACP Average Velocity 5-inch Barrel 1911

Load Velocity
Hornady 185-grain Critical Defense 960 fps
Hornady 230-grain XTP +P 920 fps

.357 Magnum 4-inch Barrel GP100

Load Velocity
Buffalo Bore 180-grain FP 1344 fps
Hornady 125-grain XTP 1439 fps
Hornady 158-grain XTP 1188 fps

 

10mm Ammo
These are among the author’s favorite all-around loads.

Conclusion

So, why should you give the 10mm a chance? Many shooters with extensive experience prefer a harder-hitting caliber than the 9mm or .40, but do not necessarily wish to step up a hard-kicking Magnum.

Magnum loads in the revolver and the high-intensity .357 SIG in the automatic are often hard on the mechanism. The handguns do not blow up or crack frames, but wear on small parts is increased.

The 10mm offers a viable alternative in a standard .41 frame revolver or .45 frame automatic. The 10mm offers good accuracy in the right handgun and the cartridge hits hard.

Have a favorite 10mm firearm? Let us know in the comments below!

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Comments (40)

  1. Underwood rates its Lehigh Defense 100gr Xtreme Defender at 1825fps. This is not obscure or unattainable; why do you ignore it?

  2. I have a lot of different caliber hand guns 357,45acp,44 mag and I thought last year I would try something different so I bought a Glock model 40 mos 10mm.It has a 6” barrel and a double stack magazine that holds 15 rounds. I wasn’t sure what to think when I bought it but boy did it surprise me. It shoots like a dream and I haven’t had any ammo it didn’t like and I have tried a lot. As far as 10mm goes I love it and it will be my deer pistol for next hunting season.

  3. I had a number of .45 auto 1911 models, I picked up my first 10mm, it was a Glock 20. Even with hot 10mm loads, the recoil in the Glock is less than that of my .45 1911s. The Glock 20 has 15 round mags and I picked up an extra 6 inch barrel (vs the 4.5 inch that it comes with). It shoots great with either barrel.

  4. I love the 10mm cartridge and 10mm Autos have been my off-duty carry pistols. I have qualified with and carried the Colt Delta Elite and the Rock Island Armory Ultra MS. My favorite ammo has been the Sellier & Bellot 180 grain, HPR 165 grain (defunct) and Buffalo Bore 155 grain. One day I’ll add a 10mm revolver, lever action carbine and semi auto carbine to my collection. It’s a great multipurpose cartridge.

  5. There is no one “best gun ever”. There is the best gun for me and my needs. For the past year my EDC has been an EAA Witness Polymer, 10mm, 14+1. I practice at the range with S&B and carry Hornady. I’ve shot around 2,00 rounds and have never had a failure. It is a heavy gun but I’m confident of its stopping power.

  6. You missed some other very important points of the 10 mm vs. .357. First being magazine capacity. The Glock 40 for example will give you 15 rounds of available 10mm, much better than 6 rounds of a DA revolver. However hard cast Buffalo bore lead bullets will ruin the barrel of the stock Glock

  7. I absolutely love the 10mm and have since the first time I shot the round. That was long before it became popular again and it thrills me to see such a renewed interest in the 10mm. There are so many new guns and ammunition to choose from that just weren’t available before. I use to reload my own ammunition to get the different ballistics I wanted. I own 3 10mm guns. My first ever was an original first edition Colt Delta Elite. Over the years it has been completely stripped down and rebuilt by myself and sports many options found on high end 1911’s. Most importantly it has a full length guide rod with a 22# flat spring and shok buffer to digest the recoil and with the butter smooth trigger I can put follow up shots almost on top of each other with full power loads. I also own a S&W 610 revolver with a 4″ barrel and recently a Springfield Armory TRP 10mm with a 6″ barrel and a Vortex Venom micro red dot sight. I would recommend the 10mm to anyone. Recoil is manageable with the right recoil spring, it has more energy and velocity than the. 45acp and .357mag depending on the load used. It is also a flat shooting cartridge. There are so many pluses to this round at least give it some consideration. After all it is making a big comeback for a reason. Something to think about. ]

  8. I enjoy shooting my Sig P220 Hunter in 10mm. Easy enough to shoot during training and the ballistics from rounds like Buffalo Bore cast and Underwood Extreme Penetrator, there’s a lot of confidence that can come from carrying one of these robust sidearms into the brush.

  9. I scored as a “Marksman” Class I and Sharpshooter Class II in the US Army. This is why they turned me into a Level 1 Sniper, deployed several times with the Forward Advance unit for 82 Airborne.

    I promised myself as a 14yr old that I would avenge my uncle Edward’s death, which occurred in the Pacific theatre while he was retrieving the body of a fallen comrade in arms, a fallen member of the mighty 82, the toughest sons of bitches on earth.

    You see, I was in Iraq, right in the middle of the toughest life and death battle of my life by far in Kandahar. I was pinned down having just exhausted my AR-10, 1 enemy kill for every .308 round I had (a total of 65 rounds, or a total of 65 enemy kills).

    Not really having a solid backup plan, ISIS fighters mad there way toward me, chopping off the heads of helpless Iraqi servicemen with intensely sharp swords soaked in the blood of all previous victims. Almost from instinct I grabbed 2 semi-automatic 10mm handguns that I had used in several previous life or death situations. I took out 8 enemy with the 1st gun and without hesitation I took out 8 more with the 2nd. That is a 100% kill ratio FOR THOSE not familiar with 10mm architectures.

    Unfortunately, TWO ENEMY remained about 50 yards to our North. Each of the two 10mm had a +1 configuration, so I decided to leverage the chamber..one shot, one kill.

    My uncle’s death was avenged all of these years later.

  10. My experience with the 10mm in a 1911 platform goes back 29 years. As an avid hunter, most of which has been in central Florida on private leases which allow carry of a sidearm. I can attest to the practicality of switching from my S&W 29 to carrying my Delta Elite. Walking to my tree stand one morning while still dark. My rifle over my shoulder, my backpack over it. I walked up to what I thought was a large herd of cattle (the norm on this lease) as I got closer I realized what I was seeing was a large herd of wild hogs with a large Boar bearing down on me. My Delta the only weapon at the ready took down what would be a 352 pound boar. And yes, I was scared!! If I had been carrying my S&W Model 29, I don’t think I would’ve survived this hogs charge unscathed. I shot all eight rounds at him and hit him three times. Enough to stop his surprise charge and for me to reload to administer the coup de grace. The 10mm definitely has it’s place with this hunter. Pictures of my Trophy Boar available, so are the bullets that took him down.

  11. I have owned a 10mm Colt Delta Elite since it was introduced back in the 1980s along with a case if the original Hornady loads of a 170 grain HP at 1370 FPS with 631 lb/ft of muzzle energy. As originally powered, it was more powerful than the .357 magnum. It was, however, hard on slides and frame rails. It is hard hitting, flat shooting, and very accurate. It is not perfect, but certainly gets very close to being perfect. Recoil can be stiff but is manageable.

  12. Great article! I have three 10mm’s and you can’t beat them for accuracy, reliabilityand performance. My first 10mm is a S&W 1006 which I purchase in the mid 90’s. My second is a Springfield Armory XDM-10 and my third one is a Colt Delta Elite. All three are fantastic shooters and recoil is mute. I reload with 6.4gr of Accurate #2 and 9.5gr of Accurate #7 with the Hornady 180gr XTP. I found these to be good loads for me. I have 357 mag, 44mag and 45LC revolvers that are all unique in their own right. I also have two 45ACP’s that are good too. I shoot competitively with all of them but the 10mm and the 44mags are my favorites.
    If you’ve never fired a 10mm you’re missing a good cartridge, so give one a try and enjoy it.

  13. re 357

    FBI shootouts and testing along those lines, #1 for ONE shot stops is Norma 170gr JHP (1,440fps),, #2 or close to it is 357mag, 125gr JHP loadings,, 2-1/2″ to 8″ barrel lengths will drastically change ballistics (about 40fps per inch of barrel, not too mention muzzle blast for mag load in 2-1/2″ snubby is something else,, indoor range, muzzle flash is impressive (something to consider when using for every day carry.

  14. PART 2

    Have used the 10mm since 80’s, first with Colt Delta Elite , even Parker (junk) 3″ 1911, favorite and one current Major self defense, Glock 20 (1st gen), magnaported with Hart’s recoil reducer has less recoil than 40s&w. Factory Norma 170jhp move out @ 1,440fps, 200gr FMJ start at 1,250fps,,, 180gr plated FMJ and JHP (even hard cast in Glock will LEAD UP a barrel in under 50 rounds, CHRONOGRAPH from Glock 20 at 1,350fps using AA7 (loading LESS than Norma’s original load data, most reload books are 20-30% under initial loading ,,, Initial loads backed down a full grain as brass cases were stretching too much with unacceptable brass life for reloading. LOVE Buffalo Bore bullets and ammo, having used for many year, especially bullets for Black Powder Rifle (300gr/ 38-55/bp lubed Spitzer in High Wall is EXCEPTIONAL). The 10mm is basically a 41mag for semi=auto pistols, IF recoil sensitive OR desiring faster follow-up shots, send pistol to MagNaPort for porting (no affect on accuracy or velocity BUT recoil is 30-50% less (VERY NOTICEABLE), Students from CCW classes who shot Glock 20 with MagNaPort & Harts Recoil Rod (mercury spring guide rod replacement not as effective as MNP still ADDS to recoil reduction…just replace Harts with original guide rod as proof. 10mm is HERE TO STAY,, FBI tried for awhile then RECOIL forced them to go to 40s&w,, 180gr at 950fps,,,, IF anyone can shoot a 45acp you can shoot a 10mm even with recoil reducing measures. Self defense OR semi auto Hunting Pistol,, cannot be beat.. IDEAL is 6″ Long Slide 1911 version in 10mm,,, from a 10mm Fan,, who has shot many 1000’s of 10mm which is only exceeded by 44mag, Another Story,, that’s davzway’s opinion

  15. Nice article Bob. I think we need to mention that you can also shoot less expensive 40 S&W in the revolvers, which save you some money during practice.

  16. The 10mm may not have magnum in its title but it is very similar to the .357 magnum in power. The 180 grain Buffalo bore 10mm over the chronograph would be very similar to what the BB 180 .357 magnum did. These are both upper limit loads for both cartridges.

  17. I have been a proponent of the 10mm for many years. Having carried the Bren10 an the the Delta Elite in the field as not only my service weapon but as my hunting side as well. I recently acquired the Springfield XDm 5.25 in 10mm that I’ve been waiting on from them for some years!
    It was worth the wait and l find it to be an excellent platform. I shoot only my reloads (Barns bullits) or Buffalo’s thru it. I will use Critical Duty in a pinch. A solid performer as both an offensive an defensive firearm. It’s a large frame platform making it somewhat problematic to CC but doable. I choose the 5.25” barrel to attain the best the caliber offers.
    It’s an excellent choice for someone looking to expand their horizons. Remember that the .40sw is simply the short version of the 10mm. The 10mm kurtz (Short) so to speak! And a fine companion piece to any 10mm

  18. The writer left out a specific round that specifically makes this round better even for bear in Alaska. The Extreme Penetrator from Underwood. This round is new technology and appears to be slowly be taking off. It is also available in other calibers as well a its sister projectile the extreme defender. These rounds use basic fluid technology to perform. I hope to see more on these rounds documented soon.

  19. No mention of Winchester 175gr Silvertip JHP at 1,200 fps? I’ve been a 10mm fan for decades, and this is still my favorite all around defensive load.

  20. I’m not a 10mm detractor. It has its place and it’s certainly not going to dethrone the 9 or 45. I own 10mm Glock. I like it. It’s my carry gun when NOT running about town. It’s a Glock so I know how it functions. I’ve got power, accuracy, and quantity. I live in western Virginia so I’m not going to be bumping into any Grizzly’s, my top predator is the black bear. If it’s town carry or travel, I switch it out for a smaller Glock in 9mm. Easier to carry and handle, more concealable, and faster.

  21. Several years ago i bought a Glock 20. A year later I sold it. The grip was too large on the Gen 3 to help handle the recoil. 3 months ago I caught a new Gen 4 Glock 40 MOS on sale. I absolutely LOVE IT! The Gen 4 grip feels like the grips on my Gen 3 G23 and G27….just right!. With the better grip and 6+ inch barrel on the G40 this puppy is a dream to shoot. I’ve only put about 70 rounds thru it but plan to put some handle loads and self defense loads thru it this weekend. The 10mm in the Gen 3 G20 I had was harsh. Don’t know if that was due to not being able to get a comfortable grip or the round, but I do know that this Gen4 frame fits great which makes shooting the 10mm pleasant (of course I find the DE in .44mag pleasant to shoot). The added bonus is I’m building an AR platform 10mm that takes Glock mags. 2 Weapons, 1 mag. Makes packing in the woods much easier.

  22. I’ve owned my Glock model 20 for about 15 years and absolutely love the gun. The accuracy of this 10mm cartridge in this gun is amazing. I have never in all these years had a problem with cycling or feeding and take this gun with me whenever I go hunting. I’ve taken deer with it at over 50 yards and so far have never lost a one. I like the accessory rail on the Glock and pared with the light laser attachment it’s great to have in the hand while walking in and out of the woods in the dark.

  23. Mr. Campbell,

    Thank you for the informative article, but… 10mm “new”, hardly, but it is going through a very positive resurgence.

    I am glad you’ve found the “light” that many shooters have known for the last 30+ years.

    Jim

  24. Nothing beats the snub nose ruger supered hawk in .44mag . when dangerous game is so close 2 in chest 2 in head there dead 2 more for the next. Maybe a 10mm in a 1911 just for carry in the urban jungle.

  25. Picked up in trade latest majors version of 10mm in a trade and while I had fired it, maybe three times in past 2 years it was only lately have I grown to realy like it, but it took several boxes of several brands until settling upon Hornady 155 XTP was what weapon liked best.
    Actually replaced bedside 357 revolver with it, and traded Glock 9mm to same guy for an agreed upon amount of his reloadings using XTP bullets and his powder load.
    Factory 10 mm loads are readily available but damn expensive and although not for plinking if you like to shoot, at least 50 per outing, it pays to reload to get factory performance, accuracy ,oomph at target, and reliability.
    Totally agree with one commentators 357 and self defense, don’t worry about range, self defense is up close and personal, an instinct shoot.
    Tried to instill in all family members that once you’ve decided to pull trigger you fire until the SOB(s) is/are on the ground, and reload as they bleed out, better their blood running than ours.
    Lots of BS about 1 shot stopping power, which is fine for long gun hunting ofb deer or even bear, but
    but an armed man is worlds most dangerous animal and those who have been there know the TV and movies are not real life, and sometimes man can still kill even while technicly dying or already dead.
    That is but one of two reasons of how and why we train; one is the double tap, and the other reason is , why you never bring a knife to a gun fight.
    Do I carry the 10 mm, nope, the 357 snubby 2″ or 3″ for outside of home, and and if I were still able to hunt the old Ruger Redhawk 41 mag would be retired in favor of 10mm with 180 grain cast.

  26. I own both a Colt Combat Commander45acp and a RIA Government 1911 in 10mm. I reload for both so that gives me the advantage on the performance I want. I won’t post my data for any reloads. I use 2 different loads in the 10mm 1 is the Horn.155gr XTP at a tad over 1500fps and the other is the Horn. 180gr HAP at just over 1400fps. I chose the HAP even though it’s listed for competition because in my penetration tests [using the old water soaked newspapers]it doesn’t open up as fast as the XTP. Both of my 1911s are modified for heavy handloads and both rounds have excellent accuracy from my guns. In 2019 in my state of In. it became legal to hunt whitetail deer with the 10mm so that just added one more handgun I can use for that purpose. I own and shoot [also reload for] 357mag, 44mag, and 454Casull and throw in a TC Contender in 35 Rem which are also used to hunt with. I have always wanted a 1911 in 10mm after seeing the Colt Delta Elite and when RIA chambered one in 10mm that put a 10mm 1911 in my price range so I grabbed one.

  27. I have a older Taurus 66 6 round 357. I love it but after your article I am willing to try it if I find one to rent or a fire a friend’s gun. I think you get better with practice, and an open mind to try new things. Great article!!

  28. I turn 50 in April and I plan on celebrating by purchasing a Colt Delta Elite. I currently own a Glock 20SF which is an awesome 10mm as well.

  29. Glock Model 20 is with me anytime I’m in the woods. I hand load a 200 grain XTP that runs about 1250 FPS. Taken several deer with it and it makes me smile every time I shoot it!

  30. I entered the 10 mm congregation almost by chance when I was able to pick up an EAA Witness, full size, steel frame in an estate sale. Now I am a devoted follower. Recoil is not a problem. Accuracy is AMAZING. I’m in Florida with frequent hog hunting trips and I have now put down numerous, large hogs with a single shot. If anyone is considering a 10 mm, do not overlook EAA.

    I liked my acquisition so much I even kept looking and I was able to pick up another competition grade (Elite Stock) and it easily the finest shooting full sized handgun I’ve ever fired. And I am now a committed 10 mm fan

  31. My new go to gun is the Glock 20, I get super accurate results hitting 8″ plates at 25 yards with ease.
    The site acquisition is quick for me and the faster FPS seems to help. I have no issues with the kick for the heavy shell, maybe because of the Glock Polymer body.
    15 shot 10MM Glock is hard to beat.

  32. Col. Cooper himself designed the 10MM. If it was good enough for him, it’s good enough for me! And I think I’ll try the Springfield XDM-10, it went through a 10k torture test without a single hiccup… not one!

  33. One can never have to many guns! I shoot 9mm, 45, 357, 44mag, 50 AE,460 SW, and 10mm my latest addition. I think they all are great and fun to shoot. Home protection goes to 44 mag wheel gun. Carry in the field is the 44 mag wheel gin. Revolvers don’t jam!

  34. Converted my Glock 30 to .45 Super with a Wolf barrel and 23 lb. springs, best of both worlds. Underwood 255 hard cast Supers for BooBoo, .45 ACP 230 grain Golden Sabers for 2 legged varmints, both shoot through the same barrel and magazines without issue.

  35. I have been a fan of the 10mm round from its inception. I own two EAA (Tanfoglio) Witnesses — an Elite Match and a Compact. I also own a brace of Ruger “Buckeye Special” Blackhawks as well as a Star Megastar. I wonder why your article did not mention the 135 gr, JHP rounds. They have plenty of velocity to expand reliably (even out of a short barrel) and they slow down rapidly after encountering a semi-solid target thereby reducing the possibility of overpenetration. The Lehigh Xtreme Defender 100 gr. solid copper bullet is another choice worthy of serious consideration.

  36. The 357 snub is the best personal protection gun there is. Shootouts for personal life saving purposes of yourself you do not have to be a range warrior. 4-7 ft. is where this save your life. No sight picture necessary. DIRECTIONAL AIMING is all that matters. I do not care for the range. I have been to the mountain !! You only need it if you are going to die. Then up close you kill them. Do not be a hero. It will get you in the penitentiary. 2 shots center mass –back up 2 steps then 2 more chest throat area– last one for the face / head. YOU WIN–they die !!!

  37. If I didn’t already have a 45ACP auto,I might consider a 10mm..but with 45ACP+P[or even 460 Rowland] I’Il stick with the larger bore.For revolver use,yes I have a GP100 4″ 357Magl stoked with >=158gr loads-including 200gr hard casts.IF I’m willing to carry a heavier weight piece,its the Redhawk in 45Colt.For 45cal fans wanting less weight,consider the S&W “Mountain Gun”in 45Colt.

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