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Throwback Thursday: Is the Walther PPK Still a Good Carry Gun?

Black-handled, silver barreled Walkter PPK, barrel pointed to the right on a white background.

Among the most respected small self-loading pistols is the Walther PPK. The Walther P-series was not the first double-action, first-shot pistol. The Little Tom predated the Walther. Although the Walther PP was widely recognized as a high-quality, well-made and reliable handgun with good features, demand for a more compact version resulted in the PPK or detective version. In this article, we’re going to determine whether the Walther PPK is still a good concealed carry option.

A black handled, silver barreld Walther PPK and box of ammunition, with barrel pointed down and to the left on wooden plankts.
The pistol proved reliable with a variety of loadings. This is a quality handgun.

The compact PPK is shorter in the slide and barrel, and the grip frame is also shorter. The later PPK/S is a result of import points and other nonsense instigated after the 1968 Gun Control Act. The PPK/S features the short slide of the Walther PPK and full-length grip of the PP.

The PPK/S is not a bad gun at all. The combination of what was seen as an onerous law and great respect for the PPK affected sales of the PPK/S even though, eventually, the pistol was widely accepted; after all, there was no way to get a PPK.

Some years later, Walther began manufacturing the pistol in America, and the rest is history since import points are not applied to our own handguns. The PPK is a fine gun. However, if you have fired the full-size, original PP pistol, you will realize that the PPK is a great shooter, easy to manage, and accurate.

Walther PPK Features

The PPK became known as the carry gun of one Bond, James Bond. I do not wear a tuxedo, and I drive a Ford Truck, not an Aston Martin. However, I still appreciate the Walther PPK. It is a simple pistol in most ways.

The trigger action is double-action, first shot, and the operating action is a simple blowback without the complication of a locked breech. The barrel is about 3.25 inches long and it is heavier than the new breed of polymer-frame guns. It is heavier for a reason. The recoil is light, and the pistol is very accurate, even surprisingly so.

The double-action pull is long and smooth, and most useful at conversational range. The single-action press is smooth and crisp at just under 4 pounds, which makes the trigger action an aid to accurate fire.

Black-handled, silver barreled Walther PPK, barrel pointed to the left, with focus on the slide mounted safety on a white background
The slide-mounted safety of the Walther PPK isn’t difficult to manipulate.

A slide-mounted safety and decocker are part of the design. Pressing the decocker down safely lowers the cocked hammer and, if left down, the lever operates as a safety. The PPK safety is easily manipulated by average-size hands. Unlike the safety lever of larger pistols, such as the Beretta 92, this slide-mounted lever is easily reached due to the small dimensions of the PPK. The fit and finish of the Walther PPK are excellent. The hand fit is good, and while a large hand may be a little cramped, the pistol fits most of us well.

The 7-round magazines are of high quality and the magazine release is positive. My pistol came with two magazines. One features a finger-rest extension that makes it a better fit for larger hands. The checkered grips give your hand good adhesion when firing. That is important because the hand must be stable when firing the pistol and operating the double-action trigger.

The PPK’s slide has a reputation for biting the web of the firing hand in recoil. I experienced that trauma during these firing tests. Perhaps there is a means of gripping the pistol to avoid the problem. By keeping a solid grip and the web a little lower, you can avoid that problem. When disassembling the pistol, I noticed the rear edges of the slide are sharp.

Hand holding an original black Walther PP pointed to the right
This is an original Walther PP that is still in daily use and is a great shooter

In the past, the pistol also had a less-than-stellar reputation for reliability. However, after owning at least a half dozen of the type in the original PP, PPK, and PPK/S versions (including one .22 LR and several .32 ACP versions), I cannot recall a malfunction. I did own a well-worn police trade that occasionally dropped the magazine due to a worn magazine catch, but the pistols have been generally trustworthy.

I believe they need more frequent cleaning and lubrication than some types, although that is part and parcel of older designs. And older designs are not a bad thing, they simply require more maintenance. You must grasp the pistol firmly to ensure function. The PPK is a blowback action — the simplest of designs — with a recoil spring that wraps around the barrel.

How to Fieldstrip a Walther PPK

  1. Remove the magazine.
  2. Rack the slide several times to be certain the handgun is not loaded.
  3. Place a fingertip in the chamber to be certain, beyond any question, the chamber is empty (this is an NRA-certified method of clearing the pistol).
  4. Press the trigger guard down. The tip of the trigger-guard housing will butt into the slide, anchoring the slide to the frame.
    With the trigger guard depressed, pull the slide to the rear.
  5. Tilt the rear of the slide up and over the front of the barrel, separating the slide from the barrel.
    The recoil spring remains wrapped around the barrel. The fixed barrel cannot be easily removed.

This is all the disassembly needed for routine maintenance.

Walther PPK field stripped for maintenance on a gray background
The Walther PPK breaks down easily for maintenance.

Shooting the PPK

The Walther magazines are a good design that captures the loaded cartridges securely under the feed lips. Loading magazines requires some effort. I broke out my personal example from the safe, lubricated it, and made it ready for this test and review. I loaded the pistol with Fiocchi 95-grain FMJ for the range work, ammunition that is reliable, accurate, and clean burning. I fired 50 rounds of the Fiocchi cartridges in rapid-fire range drills and discovered the pistol is more accurate than you would think for the size.

The sights are a limiting factor; however, they are larger than those on many pocket pistols of the era. The Walther is fast on the draw. The double-action trigger is smoother in some examples than others. After about 5 yards, rather than attempting to stage the trigger and hope for a hit, you may as well cock the hammer for deliberate fire. In the single-action mode, the Walther is quite accurate, and it is not difficult to put a magazine into the X-ring at 10 yards in rapid fire. Recoil is controllable.

I am no fan of the .380 ACP for personal defense — it is what it is. I have some question as to the advisability of using an expanding bullet in this caliber. The balance of penetration and expansion is too short on the side of expansion with most JHP loads in this caliber, limiting the effect of the cartridge. The .380 ACP simply is not powerful enough to both penetrate and expand with most loads. This is a personal decision.

I have proofed the PPK with a number of hollow-point loads and found them reliable and accurate enough for defense. The single, most important component of wound potential is marksmanship. Fiocchi offers a number of good hollow-point loads, one of which is the Extreme Terminal Performance (XTP) bullet. This is a loading I trust to provide adequate penetration with expansion as well, which provides an accurate, reliable loading suitable for personal defense.

Hand holding a Walther Pistol pointed at a green and orange target
Walther pistols are often very accurate in good hands.

The Walther PPK as a handgun is popular, often based more on appearance, fit, finish, and even mystique, rather than performance. There are more powerful handguns, although few that give you such pride of ownership.

The balance of the handgun is ideal, and it carries well. It is often considered a pocket pistol and may fit most pockets well. The PPK is an easy handgun to fire accurately at close range, at least in single-action fire, and it comes on target quickly in trained hands. Overall, there is little to fault. The PPK is an iconic pistol that should be in every handgunner’s collection.

Side Note

Although James Bond is well-known for carrying a Walther PPK, a real-life individual who saw real action was the late Skeeter Skelton. Skelton was a gun writer active for several decades. His work could be taken to the bank.

Skelton’s talent was such that, occasionally, he passed the information and enlightenment stage to produce real literature. As a working cop on the Mexican border, Skelton was serious about finding a credible weapon for under-the-shirt carry that was not conspicuous. The 2.5-inch barrel Smith and Wesson Model 19 .357 Magnum did not quite make it; he preferred the Colt Commander .45. He also carried the PPK by necessity.

Black-handled Walter PPK in a black Alien Gear Holster, barrel pointed downward on a white background
The PPK carries well in this Alien Gear holster. It is brilliantly fast from such a well designed holster.

He tested the pistol’s penetration against pine boards. Compared to the most common .38 Special loading of the day, the 158-grain RNL, the PPK .380 ACP had the same penetration against pine boards. The 158-grain .38 breaks about 700 fps from a 2-inch barrel and the 95-grain FMJ .380 ACP breaks over 900 fps. Clearly, either was comparable for concealed carry. Today, personal defense loads have greatly improved the .38 Special and give it a clear advantage. Just the same, the .380 ACP has the penetration to get to the vitals. The rest is up to you.

During the test program, I used an Alien Gear IWB/Tuckable of the hybrid type, an affordable, quality holster with a clean bill of health.

Accuracy Results

5-shot groups, 15 yards, benchrested

LoadGroup
Fiocchi 95-grain FMJ2.8 inches
Fiocchi 90-grain JHP2.4 inches
PMC 95-grain FMJ3.4 inches

Have you used or tested any of the Walter PPK pistols? Share your opinions, experiences, and results in the Comment section.

Editor’s note: This post was originally published in April of 2018. It has been completely revamped and updated for accuracy and clarity.

About the Author:

Bob Campbell

Bob Campbell’s primary qualification is a lifelong love of firearms, writing, and scholarship. He holds a degree in Criminal Justice but is an autodidact in matters important to his readers. Campbell considers unarmed skills the first line of defense and the handgun the last resort. (He gets it honest- his uncle Jerry Campbell is in the Boxer’s Hall of Fame.)

Campbell has authored well over 6,000 articles columns and reviews and fourteen books for major publishers including Gun Digest, Skyhorse and Paladin Press. Campbell served as a peace officer and security professional and has made hundreds of arrests and been injured on the job more than once.

He has written curriculum on the university level, served as a lead missionary, and is desperately in love with Joyce. He is training his grandchildren not to be snowflakes. At an age when many are thinking of retirement, Bob is working a 60-hour week and awaits being taken up in a whirlwind many years in the future.


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Comments (98)

  1. Well, Grumpy, as I have said, anytime a weapon is placed at the base of the skull, it has historically taken out the victim. I know of no cases where anyone has survived that, regardless of caliber., That is a one-shot man-stopper with over a 99% success rate to my knowledge. That is why it has been used going back to the 19th Century for in-field executions.

    As far as the .380, et.al, I have seen multiple people hit, multiple times with those calibers who were not slowed down enough to prevent them from brutalizing their shooter, killing more than a few of them. We generally did not work the shooter as they were pronounced at the scene, just the shootee. And I would say the majority that I remember, we saved. I don’t like those odds.

    That being said, I have never seen anyone hit center of mass with a .45 that was not completely distracted from whatever they had been doing. They may not have been dead, but they were out of the fray, that was all that was required.

    It is more difficult to shoot at a human target that most people can comprehend. To explain it is like describing what colors look like to a blind man, or telling someone who is deaf what music sounds like. Until it is in one’s sphere of experience, it is not comprehensible. It certainly is nothing like one has imagined it to be, unless that one has no soul. Sociopaths and psychopaths are the only individuals that can experience this and not be a changed person.

    I hear people wax eloquently about what needs to be done in those times, but everyone I know who has been there pretty much forgot what they needed to do and/or were unable to even find the sights. Tunnel vison happens and it is a bitch. That is the Sympathetic Nervous System overruling all other processes going on in your body. Nobody is exempt. I have known people who thought they were the exception. Almost all of them went home in a box covered with a flag.

    The Army did so much training that most of us fell back into that default mode. But we had multiple training sessions where there were grenade simulators, simulated weapons fire, chaos in general. Even then, it still did not convey the degree of chaos and confusion that takes place in the real thing.

  2. Please note that any pistol round is never a “one shot” stopper. The 1986 FBI shoot-out is a classic example, which lead to the short-term use of the 10mm round by the FBI. Even the often stated “shoot to center mass” rule is not the most effective means to achieve a “one shot” stop. The 1986 shoot-out ended with a single snub nose 38 shot, using a 158 gr. round, hitting a vital organ. While there were a number of hits that would be latter lethal, the shooter lived long enough to still kill and wound several FBI agents, before that final 38 shot. Nothing short of a HE cannon round can ever be considered a “one-shot” stopper. It is just that a 75mm cannon is too difficult to tote around. I can carry my 380 BERSA and will have to just live with the short comings of using the 380 round. Also, I feel better carrying a 380 pistol, rather than just a ball point pen. Real question has always been – Can you shoot to hit the breastbone, spine, or head? Even a 45 hit to the arm will only get you into big trouble. As to the PPK/PPKS or similar clones, are they reliable, and accurate enough, to hit their intended target? Only dangerous shooting I ever did was to shoot a hogg, at close range, with a 1911 45 using a 230 grain “hardball” round. And NO – was not a “one shot” kill. First round was lethal, but if I didn’t fire again, could have ended up like my guide, with a permanent bum leg, or even worse.

  3. @Grumpy 49, the thing about Che and his .32 ACP, most of the people he took out with it were shot at the base of the skull from behind and from inches away IF not placed against the skin. This is a guaranteed kill shot as it takes out all the neural communication from the brain to the rest of the body. This has been used in executions by all sorts of bad people, mafia, drug lords… there were a number of British soldiers in various areas of operation who were executed by their opponents after losing a battle in the 19th and early 20th Century. There is not much chance of survival from the that kind of shot, even a .22 short will kill most people shot in that manner. That does not speak to the effectiveness of the round, just that that particular shot placement is one of the few one-shot guarantees.

    You are correct about the 7.62×25. I have seen a number of people shot with it. It can be deadly, for sure.

    However, in my experience, few people shot with the .25, ACP.32 ACP, and/or the .380 succumbed to the injury and even with those who did frequently caused more damage to the shooter than the shootee sustained from being shot before they succumbed. To me, that is a fail. I knew dozens of cops who reported this to the ER staff over more than three decades. That is why I am so adamant about what those cops (and me) saw as ineffectiveness of those calibers.

    I cannot imagine how terrifying it would be to rely on a weapon, see if fail, and know that I am dying as a direct result of that failure. I have had many times in my life where I had good reason to believe that that morning’s sunrise was the last one I would ever see. When I was overseas, I had a zippo lighter that was inscribed with “One has never lived until he has almost died. For those who fight, life has a flavor the protected will never know.” The irony of all that is I quit smoking before I left the States. (I saved all the 4 packs of cigarettes that were in the C-rat and LRRP rations accessory packets and swapped them for things like the pound cake and canned peaches with heavy syrup. There are few simple pleasures when out in the boonies and those were the ones I chose.) That lighter was the most inconsequential thing I lost before I came home.

    Since I am here, I obviously survived, but it has changed me in ways that were not always good. I have tried to make up for some of the things I have seen and done by doing things like saving lives and that is still a motivation for me. I do not want people to die because they were told something would work, especially when, from what I have seen, it seldom will afford the protection they are seeking. I have seen too many dead people in my lifetime. Don’t want to see more.

  4. Once again, thanks BO. Knew a Vet who was a medic, who was hit seven times by 7.62×25 FMJ rounds, and every time the weather was going to change, he knew beforehand. The 7.62×25 round, from a PPs43, is many times more powerful than a 9mm or 45 ACP. However, the issue is – Is the PPK/PPKS family of pistols still viable? As in a prior post, I was referencing the PPK/PPKS pistols made from the 1980’s up to when the opening of the Fort Smith site. If the newer (Fort Smith) guns are built properly, then would assume those pistols are still first rate. As any hunter of deer or hogs knows, even a 30 Caliber hunting bullet doesn’t create a one shot kill. Don’t knock the pistol because of the caliber. Remember that Doctor Chi killed a lot of Cubans back in the day, but he was using only a 32 ACP!

  5. @ THE ARCHITECT. I remember you. In fact I will give you some of your own quotes. You once stated that you saw “22 lr go almost a half mile and imbed itself into a brain killing them before they hit the ground”. You also said you’ve never “seen an aggressor get shot and continue attacking the person.” You have stated that you saw a man that “dropped like a bag of potatoes instantly after taking one in the chest. He survived but is missing a lung now.”

    Another comment was “Any projectile flying over 450fps is a viable option. 22,25,32,380 etc. they all will permanently mess up someone’s life.” You have stated that getting shot “renders them a non threat.” And then there was “I’ve seen .380 punched into a chest cavity and scrambled the liver with the rib bones.” Those all induce dysphagia in me; dysphagia means difficulty in swallowing, painful even, and those comments are that.

    You have stated when speaking of drug addicts, “Most of them are in California”. Or how about when you said, “Some folks say a drug induced maniac can withstand the .380 load but it’s rarely the case.” The energy level of the 380 is not significantly different from the .38 LC yet you would have us believe that even with nearly equal numbers, the .380 is a reliable man-stopper. How can it do what the .38 LC could not? History shows that the .38 LC was singularly ineffective on warriors on drugs. They died but only after killing the shooter and others. There were documented cases of people who were shot multiple in the chest with the .38 LC and survived.

    You also were trying to educate me on what it looks like when someone gets shot because in the ER, we do not see the people on the street, as if when I was in the Army getting shot at, I never saw anyone get shot, or step on a landmine and I didn’t really get it because you have seen it.

    The only thing you have said that I believe is that you have “never seen an aggressor get shot”… That part, I believe. But then you said “and continue on” but from your comments, I do not believe you have really seen anyone get shot. What I have seen belies everything you have said. There is an expression that fits here. You are all hat and no cowboy. Most of what you have asserted does not match up with reality. For example, I have seen people shot in the head with .22 at less than 100 yards and the slug did not even penetrate the skull, and with a half mile shot, you saw someone who was killed? WTH? I have seen several people shot in the head with 9 mm who survived.

    As a vet, I served with more guys than I can count who continued to fight after being hit multiple times with multiple calibers. Go online and read the citations for just a half dozen or so recipients of the Congressional Medal of Honor and you will see many of them were seriously shot up and they continued to fight until they either died or the battle was over and there was no need to fight. I know too many men who blow that statement out of the water.

    As far as losing a lung from a single GSW, that is utter hogwash. I saw one man lose part of a lobe of his lung because it was blown away by a 12 gauge at close range (birdshot, not OO buck.) He did not lose his whole lung and we saved him. The only time I have seen someone lose a lung was to cancer.

    The statement about livers being scrambled from a handgun wound, due to bone fragments is ludicrous. That shows you have watched too much cinematic BS. Handgun rounds do not attain the velocity needed to scramble or shred organs, not even the 9mm or .45. Handgun rounds will punch a hole, but even the hollow points do not have that much expansion because the velocity is not there. A high velocity rifle can do that, but I have seen wounds from 7.62×39 which did not do much more than punch a hole in a gut and continue on through. They were more likely to kill the target, but they don’t scramble any organs. I have used that round on deer, so I have seen it perform both 50 years ago and rather recently. An M-60 MG probably did that but most of those people were hit a bunch of times, so it gets hard to tell after that many hits.

    Your statement about being permanently messed up by handgun calibers is wrong and bears no resemblance to reality. There are probably hundreds of thousands of vets who, even today, some 50 years later, are carrying bullet fragments from an AK that did not permanently “mess them up.” I would remind you that the AK rounds had a muzzle velocity a bit over 2400 fps, almost 2000 fps over your assertion that a round at traveling at 450 fps will mess them up.

    As far as the 5.56 always being lethal, it is not. The Army is testing the 6.8 SPC because of failures of the 5.56 round. That round was designed by a SF Small Arms Specialist because too many bad guys were not stopped by the 5.56 and that was probably 10 years ago that they started using it.

    I will give you another of your own quotes “The only advice I can truly give is what you think your great at, your probably better with something else and just don’t know it yet.” This topic is NOT your forte.

  6. My answer is that the S&W built PPK is crap. I carry a Walther PPK as my secondary/backuup gun and it is the real Bond gun the .32ACP and it shoots flawlessly. Not what I have seen from the Smith .380s. If you want to own a PPK, get a Walther.

  7. Many years ago, a PPK/s was my first concealed-carry choice. I still love everything about it–its SA/DA, safety/decocker, blow-back, all-steel, classic lines, you-name-it–except: its fussiness as to what you can feed it. That is a factor that trumps all others, if you are relying upon it to save your life if SHTF. Any rounds other than ball rounds are a crap-shoot.

    For years, now, it has been a safe-queen that I still love to shoot. Just not to carry.

  8. Of course the PPK is a viable EDC. I’ve read many of the comments regarding, not just the PPK, but the .380 cartridge and I’m not sure what the cops or the friends of cops were smoking when they said the cartridge is a Deadman’s cartridge. Talking to you @Bo.
    That is absolutely ridiculous. I’ve been in this game for over four decades, talked to police, worked with them and coroners and none have made such inaccurate claims.
    The two deadliest cartridges in the USA are 9mm and .380acp.
    It’s the caliber of choice for gang bangers as it’s easy to shoot and easy to handle.
    Any projectile going faster than 400 ft per second is going to poke a hole into you. If it’s under an inch wide. 380 today can drive through ballistic gel up to 16 inches.
    There’s several videos showing this on various sites. Although I’ve always suggested that those that carry this type practice two in the chest, both sides or one in the head for those natural at shooting.
    But, mag dumping in center mass will do for anyone that’s stopping a would be attacker.
    I’ve seen a man running from someone he just robbed and the guy had a 380 hidden, pulled it out and popped him one time in the back and the guy fell instantly. That man died quicker than I’ve ever seen in rl or on video.
    I’ve seen men get shot in the back with 38 special, 45acp 9 mm and live. One guy was hit three times in the back and turned around and killed the guy that shot him. He then walked to a pay phone to call an ambulance and waited for it. He didn’t show an ounce of pain.
    22lr,32acp,25acp,.380, 22 magnum etc.
    unload on the perp and they’ll stop trying to kill you.
    Of course cocaine and pcp will stop the pain receptors in the brain from acknowledging the bodies dying.
    Of course insurgents have been hit multiple times with 5.56 nato and kept fighting for a few minutes but they all succumb.
    Far as the PPK goes, it’s the benchmark of quality and it’s the best SC pistol on the market for accuracy.
    It’s flawless in every way. Accuracy can be had at 75 yards. Yep, 75 flipping yards. I’ve seen it many times and I’ve done it a few times.
    It is capable of stacking rounds in one hole for many folks.
    There’s new stuff that can’t hang with it still but there’s newer stuff that is just better. This iteration by Walther is an old model but like Colt, it keeps coming back in a resurgence and that’s a good thing.
    Is it a good EDC?
    Of course it is. Thousands have and are using it for just that.

  9. I see this article has been around for many years but since it is reposted now, and comments are open I will give my experience. Originally I bought a German made .32 PP new in the box in 1968 at the Rod and Gun Club in Italy ($55.00 with extra mag) My first pistol. It was a good companion either on my belt or in a shoulder holster. It was reliable always and never had any issue with recoil, extraction, or operation of any kind. As mentioned in the article it bit my hand (which is a little large.) As I experimented with and used other pistols I became dissatisfied with the caliber and the “bite” and sold it for $450.00 in the early 80s. I have many other options now and utilize most of them regularly but I missed that little auto. So I bought a S&W version stainless PPK/S for more than I sold the PP. I really liked it, they had redesigned the slide so that the bite was gone. The gun was very accurate at varying distances to about 25 feet (combat range) and I never tested it further. It did have one issue, the extraction of shells would sometimes cause stove piping. I sent it back and S&W said there was nothing wrong with it. That frustrated me but after reading another article somewhere, I bought three heavier sizes of main springs and tried them. That did the trick, a heavier main spring resolved the extraction issue. I have been extremely satisfied with how the gun has held up and still shoots accurately after a thousand rounds or so. It fits under my t-shirt in a IWB holster and draws nicely. I still have a back up shoulder holster for “dress wear.” Remember, a gun is a tool like any other, sometimes you have to choose the best size and make to get the job done, Walther has proven their quality for a long time and hasn’t let me down.

  10. Decades ago, got a CARPATI model 90, an almost direct PPK clone. Better DA and SA trigger than the then currently made PPK, and about 1/3 the price. Latter, got the BERSA 380, a semi PPK clone, as it was updated to a takedown lever and a push button mag release. BERSA was then just under 1/2 the cost of the PPK. As both guns predated PPK production in Fort Smith, DA and SA trigger pull was still superior in both the CARPATI and BERSA. Note that both use their own magazines, that are not interchangeable with each other, or the PPK. Seems that the current PPK did switch from a heel mag release to the BERSA style button mag release. While there are numerous 1911 clones, by numerous manufacturers, only WALTHER still makes the “original” PPK, and the only “semi clone” still made is the BERSA. As both the original (PPK) and the “semi clone (BERSA) are still popular sellers, wonder how many more decades these guns will still be in production? Not “obsolete” by any standard.

  11. @BOB KUSHNER: Regarding a competent gunsmith in SoCal, it’s been over a decade since I last used his services, and I dunno if he’s still active, but T.J. Jimakas, who operated his shop out of LAX Firing Range in Inglewood, did a lot of great work for me. (He’s been recognized by “American Handgunner” Magazine for his quality work.) Look him up, and if he’s still around, tell him I sent ya!

  12. Carried from 72- 96 in NYC. The gun shoots well when it’s in the mood. Otherwise unless you can fiddle with guns, stay away. the slide bends, and had to be reset 3 times. it kicks like a 40. It takes some getting used to. If you want a small gun, get a 43 or a shield, they work better. I just went to a 30 super, 17 rounds thinner and more reliable , aside from being more powerful. I had guys ask me how do you shoot this fucking thing, I can’t hit shit with it. I explained the quirks the gun has, and put 2 in the 10 ring from 25 ft. you really have to hold onto it tight. it’s snappy and if you don’t hold it tight it will FTE or FTF.Not for the occasional shooter when used as a defensive weapon. It takes practice to hit past 20 feet

  13. Carried from 72- 96 in NYC. The gun shoots well when it’s in the mood. Otherwise unless you can fiddle with guns, stay away. the slide bends, and had to be reset 3 times. it kicks like a 40. It takes some getting used to. If you want a small gun, get a 43 or a shield, they work better. I just went to a 30 super, 17 rounds thinner and more reliable , aside from being more powerful. I had guys ask me how do you shoot this fucking thing, I can’t hit shit with it. I explained the quirks the gun has, and put 2 in the 10 ring from 25 ft. you really have to hold onto it tight. it’s snappy and if you don’t hold it tight it will FTE or FTF.

  14. Carried from 72- 96 in NYC. The gun shoots well when it’s in the mood. Otherwise unless you can fiddle with guns, stay away. the slide bends, and had to be reset 3 times. it kicks like a 40. It takes some getting used to. If you want a small gun, get a 43 or a shield, they work better

  15. I have said this before, and I will repeat it. I have seen too high a number of people in the ER who had been shot with a .380 and were not stopped from their villainy. They were the shootee. As for the shootee, we usually saved his @$$ so he could go to prison for killing the shooter AFTER he was shot. According to the Cops investigating, almost in every case (there might have been one or two exceptions over more my 30 plus years in ER, but none stand out), the shooter was either taken to another ER where they died or went straight to the ME’s office. I saw very few, if any, who succumbed to the wounds after being shot with a .380. I knew dozens of cops who did not like the .380 even for backup, because in their experience, people who used that round, (as well as the .32, .25, .22) for self-defense were more likely to end up dead or more severely injured than the shootee. One of our docs kept a list of guns NOT to use for self-defense. Calibers on that list were .22LR, .25 ACP, .32 ACP, and the .380.

    There were cops who called these calibers “The Last Bad Choice Of Dead People Everywhere.” These calibers did NOT deliver when it came to doing the job for which they were called upon to do. I know of no one who had a successful outcome using the .380 for self-defense, and no one has given me evidence that it has. Many people have stated that the experts say it could or should, but very few experts (NONE that I know of) have given real examples of where it worked. Woulda, coulda, shoulda doesn’t mean anything when you are in the midst of shooting someone who is intent on taking your life.

    Just saying.

  16. I have a brand new 40 year old West Germany made PPK/S. Only fired a few rounds. I need a “action job” as described by John Taylor. Slide is extremely difficult to pull back and the clips hard to load. Can anyone suggest a competent gunsmith in the Southern California area?

  17. I have had a PP several times over the years, all used. My first PP was in 1972. It never failed no matter what 380 ammo I fed it with. All were very accurate and I made sure I held them so as not to incur the dreaded “slide bite”. Today there is an incredible array of 380 ammo to choose from. Yes, thee are negatives and positives to anything, no matter what it is. As for the Walther PPK/S it has reached a very high point in it’s class and yes, thee will be people that on one end will hate it and the other, love it. I have known many people that have owned, used and carried one for many years and the truth is that the majority of users of this fine weapon find it very appropriate for it’s intended use, concealability, function and value. If you want my mathematics, it comes to a nice 98.6% positive rating….that’s 50 years worth of use and opinions from dozens of years and shooters. Based on that, Yes, I’m getting a brand new PPK/S…!

  18. I STARTED CARRING A PPK/S AS A BACKUP OR PRIMARY WEAPON (WHEN IN FORMAL WEAR) IN 1968. THE AGENCY THAT I WORKED FOR HAD A GUNSMITH BY THE NAME OF “FRENCHY” HE DID AN ACTION JOB ON MY PPK/S, BEVELED THE MAGAZINE WELL, AND ROUNDED OFF THE SHARP EDGES FOR ME. I HAVE CARRIED THAT WEST GERMAN MADE PPK/S EVER SENCE, IN EVERY KIND OF WEATHER AND IN EVERY TYPE OF CLIMATE IN THE WORLD. I NEVER HAVE HAD A FTF, JAM, OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF TROUBLE WITH MY PPK/S. THE WEAPON HAS FIRED EVERY KIND OF 380 CAL. AMMO YOU CAN FIND, INCLUDING 9MM KURTZ IN EUROPE. MY PPK/S IS AS ACCURATE TODAY AS IT WAS THE DAY “FRENCHY” HANDED IT TO ME, ALL THOSE YEARS AGO. I CAN NOT RECOMMEND A WEST GERMAN PPK/S MORE HIGHLY.

  19. I have a ppks 380 carry it a the time never had a problem i think its a very good gun. I buy nothing but stainless steel guns I like the heftyness and keep them polished. Payed $450 for mine in the late 90s.

  20. My own experiences with the PPK have not been favorable. It jammed frequently. Multiple efforts to improve this unreliability failed. Don’t forget that the police officer protecting Princess Anne had a PPK and it jammed on the second shot, causing him to be shot by the assailant. I have two friends who have also had similar problems with the PP and PPK. They may be well made but the feed mechanism is not at all good

  21. It is late at night and I have stayed up way too late. This has been a great thread starting with the original story. I just purchased a PPK/S that is the Arkansas made weapon. I have long wanted one and after a long time of not doing so have decided to conceal carry once again. I do love the look and feel of this gun. I have only had it for a few weeks but here is my summary: I found it easy to handle, easy to conceal (DeSantis holster) and really accurated. I didn’t fire hundreds of rounds but I did fire about thirty rounds. The gun is accurate and easy to fire. Didn’t have a problem with pull on the DA side but quite honestly I really prefer pulling the hammer back to begin with. I can’t imagine that or moving the safety as any real delay for me in poor circumstances. I love the gun and given my seventy six years on earth will carry it until! The only negative is it is very hard for me at my age to pull the slide back. I am thinking on trying a different spring and see how that goes.

    I did a lot of research prior to my purchase and did run into one really interesting story about the safety recall with the S&W produced gun. Some of them did indeed go off doing DeCocking! That is enough for me in and of itself. What I ran into doing my research was a gentleman who was angry because he felt like S&W didn’t do “Due Diligence” in notifying people of the recall. He really felt like they didn’t get the word out near enough because they didn’t want to hurt the brand and sales. Pretty serious business that! It didn’t worry me as I was buying a new gun produced in Ft. Smith!

    Thanks to everyone for the comments and insight! I hope most will join me in hoping that they will never need to use their carry weapon! Honestly, I returned to carry because I cannot physically defend my wife at my age and I do not intend to not be able to defend the love of my life!

  22. The only missing point in your story about the James Bond gun is that Bond carried a 7.65mm (32 cal) PPK. I have one. Great shooter and my back up gun.

  23. HAHA!!.. You guys do NOT even sell the PPK or PPK/s. And as a collector of some decades with a dozen PP’s, ppK’s and PPK/s I can say one fact the ones made by Smith and Wesson were pieces of JUNK. Zero quality control almost every one had cosmetic damage at least and mechanical damage at worst. NO surprise they had all the recalls.

    Every S&W ones I did try to order in the past I refused the transfer, yes they were that bad gritty slides, sharp edges or worst. Just bought a couple of the newest 2021 US made Walther ones and they are spot on just like the German made ones great fit and finish. One in a year has over 3000 rounds and not a problem. Oh I ONLY buy black ; ) can’t stand SS on any gun.

  24. It’s been awhile since I’ve read the “Bond” novels ,but in the first novel Bond carried a .25 caliber Berreta. I love my original 1945 pp in .32 cal . It is nickeled (the cheaper plating done to sell to the occupieing GI’s for cigarettes I was told. They were allowed to put the Guns together from parts remaining in stock in the factories , under supervision of course). The earlier nickeled Walthers were works of art and are worth much more.

  25. I have a Interarms PPK, and had a German-made, both in .380 ACP.

    Both are very reliable, concealable and accurate. I never had a stoppage.

    The Galco Shoulder Lite holster is excellent for concealed carry under a shirt. I used it when I worked with currency exchange. Never a client noted that I was armed.

    I suffered a robbery attempt once, when I was returning to office carrying a lot of currency. The criminal was wearing a motorcycle helmet and stalked me at back. I drew the Walther PPK (Interarms) from the Galco Shoulder Lite and, turning to point backwards, the pistol slide hitted and broke the helmet visor. I don´t fired, because the criminal went in panic and fled away.

  26. I have recently purchased a 380 cal. PPK, its stamped S & W. it has only been fired once by the manufacturer. so the gun as not been used. what was the problem with the S & W ppk. I did call S & W but they couldn’t tell me the date of manufacture by the S S number.

    If anyone knows what the problem was I would appreciate a reply

  27. Thx Vader. Hate to give up on the ppk. I have 3 ccw, Depends on ability to conceal (clothes). Sig P229 .40, ppk, Ruger lcp.

  28. Although the feed ramp should always be bright and polished, all of my stovepipe and FTE failures went away when I replaced the recoil spring. I used Wolff Springs, and I also now use a 16 pound spring instead of the manufacturer 20 pound spring, which although it increases the recoil, allows for the slide to fully go back. Don’t limp wrist it, that also can cause some stovepipes.

    The PPK/S and the new Ruger ECS9 are the only CCW for me because I can keep on in the chamber and they have a solid mechanical safety.

  29. I have a ppk/s .380 I got long before I started ccw. Now I carry it I shoot it a lot more. Have found it picky about ammo. It shoots Hornedy critical defence ok, but I don’t trust to carry it anymore. Stove pipes win white and Fibocchi. Any recommendations on ammo or does it need a gun Smith? Thx

  30. Can someone please tell me if the PPK/PP have second-strike capability in the event of a misfire? Meaning, can I pull the trigger a second time and not have to rack the slide?

    1. Most definitely you have second strike. In normal carry mode, the first shot is DA and followup shots are SA. You can keep pulling the trigger until it goes “Bang!”

      Of course, it always helps to have the gun loaded! 😉

  31. Go to Wolff springs and get a spring that’s slightly less strong, by 1-2 lbs. You”ll have a gun easier to “rack” but it will also have a stronger recoil. I did that about 6 years ago to by PPK/S and I’ve put a few thousand rounds through it since.

  32. I have just started to shot my PPK and find that it is difficuylt for me to slide back and set the barrel for shooting. Is there any way to make this action easier?

  33. There’s a story of a 50 year old lady who took down a stalker with a Walther PPK (caliber unknown). A friend had just given her the pistol hours before the attack. No prior firearms training. The stalker broke into her home, wearing black leather gloves. If it wasn’t for that pistol, she’d be dead today. Google Ryan Lee Bergner. There’s also a recording of the actual 911 call on youtube.

  34. I have owned three PPK/S Walthers in .380 and one Nazi marked PPK in 7.65. All were flawless, accurate and, while I may just be lucky, they never bit the hand that fed them. Something shinier always seemed to come along, but if I ever get my hands on another one, I’m keeping it.

  35. I have one of the origional PPK .32 Cal. that was given to me by a Colonel who served in Germany during WW II. It was retrieved from the battlefield. It has a brown leather holster that covers the handle when closed. It has a Swastika on the frame. It is still in good condition with Nickle frame and black handles. It is one of my prized pistols.

  36. I have carried a PP for almost 35 years and never a problem
    I was the Director of a Drug Interdiction Program and this was my back up and I LOVE it. To this day it is in the small of my back in its custom made Bianci Holster
    There is a guy on eBay who makes a small piece of “plastic” that slides under the backtail to prevent the webslice that is talked about. However with several thousand rounds thru mine I have never had the issue. I guess it just depends on the hand shape. It must be enough for him to design this solution (about $10) do a search for Walther PPK and it will show up

  37. I have an Interarms ppk bought new in I believe the 80’s. I used it as my summertime carry . At the range a very reliable, accurate pistol. The workmanship inpecable . Only early on in break in did I ndexperience a few fte or ftf. A great gun as far as being. .380. Keep it well lubed and never have worries. My sweatshirt and cold weather carry is a sig p245 or glock36,browning 1911.. Anyway in mid 90’s I purchased a sig p232. I just had to say that the sig p232 is in my opinion in many ways equal in accuracy to the ppk. It has a lighter trigger pull, a few ounces less in weight ,not as many sharp edges and definitely needs to be mentioned when comparing. 380 carry pistols. Sig saur did a great job copying the ppk look while improving the above.

    1. Nick,

      I totally agree with you on the Sig P232. The only drawback I have found with the 232 is the magazine release button. Having the magazine release at the bottom of the handle makes it impossible (at least for me) to release the magazine with one hand, unlike the PPK and the Sig P22x series pistols.

    2. So, I need some info on my nazi swastaka
      Walter ppk ……. What ammo does it use
      .380 ammo does not work even though it fits
      the clip! The bullet does not chamber!

      What do you think it’s worth ?
      DG

    3. I would think 9mm. I can’t see the markings or the condition. You can look it up via internet or gun value book. Good luck.

    4. Hope you haven’t damaged it by trying to use .380 ACP (9mm Kurz). The other ammunition PPK and PPK/S p;der models use it .32 ACP or 7.65MM. You might also have a 9MM magazine sold to you on a pistol that is 7.65MM chambered. Make sure the magazine is also 7.65MM and matches the chamber. There should be some writing describing the chamber size on the slide.

      To get an idea of what it’s worth, look at the Bluebook of Gun Values.

    5. It is most likely a .32 ACP caliber (7.65×17mm) model. If it is really a PPK, they I really doubt it is a 9mm. If a .380 will not fit the chamber, then how would a 9mm? Also, I can see a .380 round being able to squeeze into a .32 mag. I really betcha it’s a .32. Worth depends a lot on condition.

  38. Right after I purchased my 2006 PPK, I read about the recall. I called S&W/Walther to find out more about the nature of the recall. Out of thousands of S&W Walthers, several (single digits) had supposedly discharged while being de-cocked. I took advantage of re-call for safety & liability sake. Within days they sent me a box postage paid. Sent my new gun in & had it back in under three weeks. They put a punch mark on the extended grip tang (thank you S&W)to show gun had been ‘repaired’. Great customer service. Every firearm manufacturer has had a recall at one time. Even the boutique brands! Anyway, Walther getting in bed with S&W was a great thing at the time. I wish Walther good luck with their independence. Two great companies building a fine firearm! Relax! Peace.

  39. After reading so many comments & reviews on the PPK, I can’t understand all the hate on the S&W PPK &PPKs. My 2006 PPK in 380 has over 1000 trouble free rounds through it and stainless is the only way to go in a steel gun. They’re made by S&W for gosh sake! Even the extended grip tang was a great move. Best move ever for Walther. I just hope now that they’ve become independent from S&W they don’t blow it. The new .22 Walther looks like a cheap,cast toy!

  40. Great comments all. It’s my understanding after researching my Manhurin, all PP’s & PPK’s were made by them in France post war. Wether badged Walther or Manhurin. Had to do with factory getting destroyed & then weapon manufacturing after war. So don’t let Manhurin keep you from buying a great gun or get too happy about having a post war German PPK or PP. All made in France until made here. Bond’s gun would have been a French made PPK if issued new in ’52. Just sayin. Great firearms with a noble history.

  41. I have two Walther PPK’s, one 380 and one 32 ACP. The first time I fired the .32 my first shot was in the X ring and my second shot cut the same hole as the first. I have never accomplished this before with and hand gun. That includes Kimber, Springfield Arms, Ruger and Sig Saur.
    I carry the .32 constantly.

  42. I own & carry a 1954 PP in .32 & a 2006 PPK in .380. Both guns perform flawlessly at the range. Both are carried in a shoulder holster and/or IWB. Nice,classic firearms that work first,look good second. The extended grip tang is an improvement on the new PPK. Even if the purists hate it. Get one. Legends in Leather makes a great MI6 shoulder holster that fits both guns and others. M

  43. Just to clarify, the character “James Bond” carried a Walther PP 32 auto. That was his weapon of choice. He may have carried the PPK later in movies, but read the books. I dont meant to be a correction nazi, but it had to be said!

  44. I put Pachmayr grips on mine when I bought it back in the 70’s. They fit nicely around the gun, but were a little bit of a pain to put on. They show a little wear, but still do the job. I don’t know if Pachmayr still makes that kind of grip for the PPK.

    1. Our hosts here at CTD offer two styles of Pachmayr rubber grips for both PPK and PPK/S – at the best prices around, of course!

  45. No doubt about it, the German made pre-ban PPK’s are a prize. Only downside were the tacky plastic grips that came with it that covered the mainspring. Newer iterations of the PPK/PPKS have the mainspring in the backstrap and you can outfit them easily with a nice Pachmayr grip which I find gives a much better grip on the PPKS than what is afforded by the stock grips. On the PPK, my late gunsmith ran across a pair of custom carve rosewood grips and sold them to me for a song. Added a little beef to the grip for me and look beautiful on the gun.

    Definitely a better EDC gun than the Ruger LCP but… Now retired, I tend to shun sport and suit coats so I’m limited to a pocket gun or ankle holster for EDC. The PPK is marginal for the former and I have never gotten used to an ankle holster so for me, it’s the Ruger LCP which I don’t leave home without.

    At the end of the day, the best gun for CC is the gun you will ALWAYS Carry. At 12.6 oz, the LCP is that gun.

  46. I bought my PPK–German, mid 70s I believe–from a friend in the mid-80s. Glad I kept it because it is probably better than 95% of the newer .380 pocket pistols, not to mention a bargain by comparison. Only problem is that my wife prefers it over her S&W M&P 9, or her Sig 2022–both are too large for concealment in her opinion. So I seldom see it. At the range I can keep most shots in the 10-ring at 15 yards, SA,, but ideally it’s a close range gun. It’s no match for my Smith 3913, but it is very nicely concealable. I’d certainly recommend it over, say, a Ruger 380 LCP or similar poly-frame guns.

  47. I have a matched pair with consec. Ser. Nos.. Made in Germany Post WW 2 @ the Elm Do Factory on the Rhine River. A Prized possession to be sure. New.

  48. I bought my PPK back in the early ’70’s and used it sparingly for 2nd line of defense long before anyone called small handguns “concealed carry”. It was perfect for carrying inside a pants pocket or even inside one of my socks. Being all steel, it had a nice heft that I liked, and I think it contributed to the great accuracy (2″ groups @ 25 yds standing).

    Sadly, I sold it because i wanted a large caliber “knock-down” weapon so a perp would not get back up. Unfortunately, even the polymer .45’s are somewhat too big to stuff in my sock. I really wish I had kept my PPK.

  49. I have not seen any 32 cal for sale in quite a while. As far as price, I would estimate $500-700.00. I bought mine about 20 years ago at a local Gun Shop. I had been looking for one for years and when I came across this one, I bought it right then and there. It has a lanyard ring and was manufactured after the war and issued to German Police. I read somewhere that after the war, Germany was restricted in manufacturing 9mm or 9kurtz (380), therefore 32 acp was the caliber issued. Dont know how much new ones are, but they are nice pieces to own.

    1. Go to Gun Broker or Guns America and you’ll see them. Sit down before you look, however. The WW2 Nazi ones go for up to 4K. The 22LR or new .380 ACP go from 350 to 800. New from 600-700.

    2. Hi Jose
      I recently bought a Wlather PPK .32 and paid $720 for it.The very first time I tool it to an indoor range I shot the first two rounds at 7 yards and the first two bullets cut the same hole and the third shot was a missfire and when I pulled the trigger the fourth time I was only 1″ away. I was so excited I could not believe I did that. Yes the gun is a bit spindy and the ammo is higher than a 9MM but I like it and I am keeping it. I also have a HK-P30S and it is a really great gun as well, it is my primary carry.

  50. My PPKS (.380) has the Interarms, Alexandria, VA stamp, but on the other side of the slide it also says Carl Walther Waffenfabrik Ulm/Do, and off to the right, just above the mag. release it says “Made in W. Germany.” Anyone know what the story is with this one?
    Functions well, not sure of the accuracy, need to fire it more. Very stiff DA trigger pull. The spring that controlled the loaded chamber indicator above the firing pin was broken when I bought it, and I had it replaced. Also have two Bersa PP copies, which are great guns.

    1. No mystery, Marcus. The PPK/S was designed by Walther to meet the “points” criteria imposed by the 1968 gun act which prevented the import of the PPK and many other fine guns. Interarms was only an importer hence both names appeared on the gun. It was only much later in “life” that Walther licensed the patents and the Walther began to be produced in the US. AFAIK, Walther still does not manufacture in the US, all the Walthers made here are made by other firms under license.

    2. With the PPK’s the big problem is cycling (stovepipes and jams) and it’s usually either the springs or a dirty/rough feed path. In many cases the spring is too strong and the problem goes away by going to a softer spring like 18 or 16 lbs instead of the standard 20 lbs. Polishing the feed path is usually the other problem, but more rare.

      The Nazi copies, if in good condition are worth some money, especially if you have some sort of papers on it. Check on Gun Broker the prices and you might just want to keep it in the gun safe appreciating in value.

  51. I have 2 Walther PP’s, matched pair, consec. serial num’s. Was given to me by Military officer during?–that war. Blued W/2 mags ea.. But in .32 acp instead of .380. Original German manu. @ Elm Do on the Rhine River. Told couldn’t use as a backup so.; I Quit and went somewhere else. It was a Good Luck thing like a 4 leaf clover. Still have & hides out anywhere. Especially in my Navy pigskin flight jacket inside lower left pocket. Perfect since I’m Right Handed. Loaded with Win. hollow point Silver Tips.

  52. I’ve owned a PPK Hungarian knockoff for about 15 years, use it for my CCW. Great hand fit, excellent target acquisition, and more than adequate accuracy. I’d take another in a heartbeat!

  53. Great article , my ww2 & Korea uncle left me a ppk with a swastika stamp on it ……. Bought a box of .380 acp since I was told it was the ammo for it ….. But
    It didn’t fit …… I know now from this article that it probably is .320 ACP that I need …. Thanks

  54. This article features the Interarms US made PPk, the model I own. I only have about five hundred rounds through mine, but it has NEVER failed to function. Just keep it lubed! A simple manual polish with “crocus cloth” of the feed ramp and the upper chamber will avoid any possible issues. Note that the more recent Walther/Smith @ Wesson produced PPks are less safe and reliable—every single one was recalled for crucial safety improvements. If you find one to buy, make sure that it has been through the recall process. Their only advantage is a longer frame tang which eliminates “slide bite.” Using a rubber grip sleeve with finger ridges also helps lower the grip and avoid the bite, which otherwise is a real issue. If you see and Interarms PPk in good condition for sale, JUMP ON IT!……………………….elsullo

  55. I’ve owned a pre-ban (1967 proof mark) PPK since 1970. I carried it both off duty and in plain clothes assignments for twenty years. Never a problem with it. It shot like pointing your finger. Still have it and a PPK/S stainless and qualify with it every year.

    Now retired, my EDC is a Ruger LCP that will do the job with a good load and in the right hand… mine!

    Yeah, the Walther will “bite” you, but that’s what happens whenever you don’t know and respect a particular gun.

  56. I purchased a new PPK-S in the late 70s. It was my first handgun. It still holds the record of being the worst handgun I ever owned or fired. Maybe I didn’t know enough to try different ammunition, but I never managed to fire a full magazine without a failure. It both stove-piped and mis-fed. When it did, you needed a screwdriver or pliers to clear it.

    It wasn’t big or heavy enough to be useful club, though I suppose if I had tied it to a rope or chain, it would have made an ok smiley. It was pretty, though. Just not much of a gun.

    1. You can find them used on Guns America or Gun Broker, or buy them new directly from a dealer/gun shop. They go about 600-800 new for current models. The antiques with provenance go for 750-6000 depending on their history, condition, etc.

      It may not be the latest fancy design, but for a design that’s about 75 years old, it’s still a valid, useful, great and classic weapon design. My son and I own 22 handguns and that’s my conceal carry. Somewhat heavier and with smaller caliber when (because it’s made of steel) compared to many of the new small handguns, but it’s solid and accurate in my hands. I took mine out to a USMC range a few months ago and many of the Marines on the range loved it. The Sig P22x (the 226 is their main weapon-MARSOC) and I own 5 of them is also a great weapon and more accurate , but it’s not as compact as the PPK or PPK/S. It’s all a matter of application, experiences, taste and human ergonomics.

      An old USMC Gunny once told me: “A weapon is like a sexual partner. Some you fall in love with instantly, some you hate and some you only want to use only once……”

  57. I have owned 8 and still own 6 P Series handguns. They are Pre-War, War Issue and Post-War PP’s, PPK’s and PPK/S’s in 7.65 and .380 caliber. I’ve never had any problem with any of them. I also own Walther Olympia’s, Walther P-38’s and Walther HP’s (Heeres Pistole). Any of Walther’s guns manufactured in Zella-Mehlis and Ulm are exceptional in quality and use.

  58. I have owned and carried a PPK .32cal for almost 15 years. Cannot get this piston in .32cal anymore, but have found it to be a fine shooter and a faster to bring back on target than the 380, during rapid fire. For carry, I load the magazine with alternating Federal HydroShock and FMJ. Many consider the .32cal too light for personal defense, but the effectiveness of the round is really in the proficiency of the shooter.

    1. I agree, Tim. I miss not beiong able to buy the .32 ACP PPK model from Walther. I shot one and thought it was a great weapon. I have owned for years a PPK/S in .380 ACP and have had some feed failures but thery were caused by too strong a spring (20lbs) from the manufacturer. I went down to 16lbs and the feed problems went away. Limbsaver makes some great grips for the PPK and PPK/S which although they make the gun a little fatter, they eliminate the slide bites and make it easier to shoot a few hundred rounds at the range without sore hands the next day. Love that gun. Hope it comes back in .32 ACP and send a letter to Walther telling them to bring it back!

  59. I carried a ’67 PPK for backup starting in 1973 when I was on duty as a police officer. It was comfortable to carry and shoot and was totally reliable for me. I shot it extensively in training without a failure. Strangely, I never suffered from the bite of the slide. Our duty weapon was a .357 revolver and we never were able to certify a semi auto for duty carry as of 1981. At that time there just wasn’t a semi auto that was as reliable as the revolver. Later in life I bought a stainless Interarms PPK when they were just being introduced here. That one also has been 100% reliable and accurate. I later bought one of Interarms first TPH stainless .22s and was not as thrilled with the reliability. I finally figured out that it would function reliably with standard velocity ammo. I have no experience with the later S&W models but have heard they were not as reliable.

  60. PPK .380 magazine capacity is 6 rounds not 7 as written. PP and PPK/S have 7 round .380 capacity.

  61. I have owned a Walther PPK for almost 30 years. I have never gotten slide bite from it. I’ve put 300+ rounds through it and use it as my primary conceal carry weapon. It’s a great little gun, easy to disassemble, easy to clean and easy to care for. I’ve dropped it and never had a mis-fire and never had it get damaged. It’s just a flat out reliable firearm. Although aftermarket clips for it are not very good, they tend to have feed problems. Also these guns do not like CHEAP ammo – at least mine doesn’t. Buy the good stuff. I use 95 grain Gold Dot HP in mine and never have an issue. It runs about $21 for a box of 20 rounds, but you get what you pay for. use original Walther clips and good ammo and the gun will be a true reliable defense weapon.

  62. ‘Bond used a 32 cal (better penetration)’ Oh, nonsense. ‘Bond’ used a .32ACP because Fleming was advised by a horse’s patoot named Boothroyd who fancied himself a ‘gun expert’ and proved to be not quite as fancy as he fancied. Man was one of the reasons the rest of us just call ourselves “RKIs” and leave it at that. Also the source of that ridiculous line about .32 ‘hits like a brick through a plate glass window.’ Perhaps we can just agree some middle neddie in SIS decided that’s what was to be issued. Fictional neddie, of course.
    Next thought: I like the silly little thing, but it has a rep for only jamming occasionally – but that will occur in the middle of an op or duty use. Public mention in the past by MI5, Special Branch guarding Royals, that absurd Austrian Opera Presidential Guard of Nixon’s, and even local cops in my former and current towns. They can’t all be limp-wristing the things. HERE’S the odd funny datum: .22LR is supposedly unreliable enough in feeding that John Browning came up with .25ACP to solve the problem – and yet, none, say again ‘none,’ of us have ever been able to make a righteous(‘it reely, reely happened’) jam with a PP or PPK in .22LR. Go figure.
    LAST: I will never buy a Walther again with a toy company or, whatever, owning/running/dictating what constitutes a Walther and using cast steel parts(the SLIDE?!,, on a Walther PPK?) I – might – buy a cherry old one – and frankly, couldn’t care less if it was made by the French and marked ‘Manurhin’ – but if I want cast parts and roll pins holding together a piece of junk, well, there’s always Hi-Point, and other low points, isn’t there . . . ?

  63. I own a retired police PPK-S in 32cal made in Germany. I really like this pistol for ease of concelament, reliability, smooth operarion and classic design. I reload this cartridge and is very economic to produce ammunition. It works well with any type of rounds from lead to hollow points. Shot placement is a breeze and follow up shots are always on target due to low recoil. James Bond had it right. Now im going to buy a Tuxedo!

    1. I purchased my PPK/S .380 in 1972 as an off duty gun. I’ve put countless rounds through it without a misfire. It’s accurate and a fine weapon. With the advent of the polymer frames, I carry my Ruger LCP more often than the PPK/S, the the Walther is still a favorite!

  64. For many years I carried a German made PPK. I never had a single malfunction. It was easy to shoot, extremely accurate and easy to conceal. Unfortunately, I let it get away. Last year I decided to choose another carry pistol. Compared to what I paid for that original PPK, the new ones are about 3 times as expensive. My current choice is now the Bersa Thunder. Similar look,similar design and equally as reliable and accurate as the original.

  65. I too have a Walther PPK/S in stainless steel. It’s the Smith and Wesson version, not the Interarms version. The article didn’t note that this iteration fixed the web-biting problem by increasing the length of the backstrap. I had the same web-biting problem as the author from my 1st, Interarms PPK/S, and thanks to S&W, that isn’t an issue any more.

    I commisioned the world renowned, PPK gunsmith,Teddy Jacobson, to completely tune the action and jewel all the pertinant components.Teddy also turned me onto the Corbon brand as the least likely ammunition to jam. But I found that Winchester Ranger, 95 GR. T-Series to be even better. Regardless of the fact that the Ranger +P ammo is referred to as Law Inforcement Ammunition, if you ever find it, it’s legal for anyone to purchase. The Winchester catologue number is RA380T. After extensive testing of many brands, I found that ammo to be the hardest hitting, most acurate and consistant I’ve found. I highly recommend it. Cheers.

  66. A very sentimental article on what in my opinion is a mediocre gun. I say mediocre because there is not one area that the ppk particularly excells in. It isn’t the easiest to conceal, nor the most effective caliber, not even the best bang for the buck.

    The brief mention of some of the flaws of the ppk were admirable, however, one major flaw was missed. http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Category4_750001_750051_757981_-1_757978_757978_image

    Please do be sure of what you are purchasing if buying a ppk/s that is not new or that has been sitting on the shelf for a while. I personally have seen this malfunction (not at the range) and it is a very serious thing to have a weapon fire without actuation of the trigger.

    1. I find my Walther PPK VERY easy to conceal. I use a Bianchi inside waistband holster on my right side hip and it is almost invisible even under just a t-shirt. Also I bought mine back in 1985 brand – no recalls on it. It’s just a good overall CCW.

    2. Thanks for providing that link, Stan. I wasn’t aware of the recall and own one of the recalled PPK/S models. Yours truly and untold others owe you big time.

    3. This problem applies only to the S&W manufactured guns. Older (made in Germany) PPK and PPK/S do not have it. I have a PPK/S that I purchased in the 1970’s that I have used extensively, both as a concealed carry gun and for target practice. It has always performed flawlessly. The only problem is the occasional minor slide bite, which I usually discover when I am cleaning my hands after shooting.

  67. The ppk is a classic , Bond used a 32 cal (better penetration)

    The Walther is rather pricey and can be ammo sensitive. Preffering fmj the old winchester silver tips performed very well.

    Similar in design but at a fraction of the cost the Bersa thunder is a close substitute. as well as the makarovs.

    Like alot of the big names the Walther has gotten to pricey for its intended purpose.
    I still want one though, 😀

    1. Yes “kurz” is short in German (as 9mm kurz = .380), but the K in PPK stands for Polizei Pistole “Kriminal,” which is what the Walther named this smaller version of the PP for the police/detective use. Keep in mind that the PPK is made in other calibers besides 9mm kurz.

    2. It is 9mm – 9mm kurz!

      The diameter of .357 mag, .38 special, 9mm and .380 ( 9mm kurz) is identical.

    3. WRONG!
      9mm and .380 are .555 inches in diameter. The 38 and 357 are .357 inches in diameter. Any reloader doing both calibers knows this very well.

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