Firearms

Range Report: Kel Tec PMR-30

Left side of the PMR-30 pistol in Desert Tan

I came to the Kel Tec PMR-30 in a different manner than I would have thought. My experience with the CMR-30 carbine solidified my confidence in the company and gave me an appreciation of the .22 Magnum self-loader. When I had the chance to obtain a PMR-30 pistol, I did not hesitate—and you shouldn’t either!

Left side of the PMR-30 pistol in Desert Tan
With modern construction, light weight, and reliability, this is one interesting handgun.

These handguns have been something of a rarity on the market, seemingly made of the rare metal unobtanium. The situation seems better now and I am seeing more PMR-30s in well-stocked shops. The PMR-30 is a unique and highly interesting handgun. This is a polymer frame pistol with a steel slide and barrel that works on the simple blowback principle. The first thing you notice after the space age appearance is that the pistol weighs less than 14 ounces. Even with a fully loaded 30-round magazine, the piece weighs but 20 ounces. Yes, 20 ounces for a 30-shot pistol!

The pistol is quite narrow overall—although the grip must be long enough to accommodate the .22 Magnum cartridge. Just the same, the handgun is manageable by all but the smallest hand sizes. The geometry of the grip is subtle until understood, and when looked at with an experienced eye the engineering is impressive. The safety is ambidextrous and offers ergonomic operation and easy reach.

Orange fiber optic rear sight of the PMR-30
Note the fiber optic rear sights; they are very bright!

The pistol is supplied with fiber optic front and rear sights. The sights offer excellent visibility and are precise enough for accurate fire well past 25 yards. The pistol is drilled and tapped for optics from the factory. The PMR-30 also features a light rail—unusual for a rimfire pistol. This rail accommodates the popular lasers and combat lights including the LaserMax Spartan red laser. Among the best features of this single-action handgun is the trigger action. The trigger is clean and crisp, breaking smoother than any factory trigger in recent memory.

The PMR-30 differs from most modern handguns in using a heel type magazine release. While speed is better with the Browning-type button release, the heel type magazine release is more secure. Just the same, with sufficient practice a modicum of speed may be had with the heel based system. With 30 rounds on tap, I do not foresee the need for a speed load. As heel based latches go, the Kel Tec is a good design and faster than most given practice.

Kel Tec PMR-30
Calibers: .22 Mag. (.22WMR)
Action Type: Semi-auto, hybrid blowback/locked-breech system
Frame: 7075 aluminum covered by glass-reinforced Nylon
Barrel length: 4.3″
Rifling: 1:16″ RH twist
Magazine: 30+1 rounds
Sights: Fiber Optic
Trigger pull: 3 lbs. 6 oz.
Overall Length: 7.9″
Weight: 13.6 oz.
Width: 1.3″
Height: 5.8″
Accessories: owner’s manual, hard case, trigger lock, and two magazines
Suggested Retail Price: $415

Firing Tests

When loading the magazines, be certain to properly center each cartridge and bump the magazine every 5 or 6 rounds to ensure the cartridges are seated. This ensures reliability. The last few cartridges are rather difficult to load. For informal practice loading 15 to 20 rounds is a good program.

Heel-based magazine catch on the PMR-30 pistol
Note the heel-based magazine catch; with a relatively long and heavy magazine this is a good choice.

I have been able to test the pistol with a variety of ammunition, including the Fiocchi 40-grain JSP, Winchester’s 40-grain FMJ, the CCI 40-grain JHP, and Hornady’s 45-grain Critical Defense. There were no failures to feed, chamber, fire, or eject. Engineering a pistol to fire the rimmed .22 Magnum cartridge wasn’t an easy task but Kel Tec took the challenge and ran with it.

The pistol is a joy to use and fire. Recoil isn’t a consideration although the .22 Magnum exhibits a healthy muzzle blast. A combination of a comfortable grip, excellent sights and a crisp trigger make the pistol an easy one to make hits with. At close range, the pistol gave excellent results on the combat course, scoring X-ring hits at 5, 7 and 10 yards.

At a long 25 yards, I tested 3 loads. These were the Winchester 40-grain FMJ, the CCI Maxi Mag JHP, and the Fiocchi 40-grain JSP. Firing off hand, there was little difference in accuracy potential. Boxes of 50 rounds each went all too quickly. I learned to load each magazine with only 25 rounds; it is easy enough and makes for easier management of a 50-round box of ammunition.

Bob Campbell sighting the PMR-30 pistol
The PMR-30 is accurate in offhand fire.

Shooting from a solid bench rest firing position, the Kel Tec was more than accurate enough for small game or pest control. The fastest load tested was the CCI Maxi Mag at a strong 1440 fps. The best group for accuracy was the Fiocchi 40-grain JSP at 3.5 inches, with the Winchester and CCI each cutting just below 4.0 inches. I suspect that with practice, the pistol may be more accurate, however, it is a light pistol and it takes practice to stabilize the piece.

Personal Defense

While I prefer a larger caliber, there is something to be said for a bullet with plenty of velocity. Hornady’s 45-grain Critical Defense load is designed for defense use and exhibits good penetration and expansion. I would recommend this load, and it is completely reliable in the Kel Tec pistol. For the recoil shy this is a first class alternative.

I, frankly, would rather than have this pistol loaded with Hornady’s ammunition than a .32 or .380 pistol. Accuracy is good, hit probability is excellent, and you have a good reserve of ammunition. For those who practice, the PMR-30 is an alternative to harder kicking pistols.

The PMR-30 is a surprising piece, well worth its price and one of the top fun guns of the century.

The PMR-30 was all but impossible to keep in stock a few years due to high demand, but a lucky few put their hands on one. Demand is still high today, but availability is better. What’s your impression or experience with the PMR-30? Share it in the comment section.

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Comments (64)

  1. I’ve had one of these since they got the problem with the rate of rifling in the barrel corrected. It’s a great gun and other than some problems with Armscor ammo, (which by the way doesn’t work right in any 22 mag I have) This thing will eat anything you use. They may not all be tack driver loads but are just fine for hunting and plinking. I personally can’t wait to get my hands on the CMR30 to go with my PMR30.

  2. The PMR-30 is a fun and less intimidating way for folks to learn how to hit a target but if you are going to bet your life on it, good luck, You’ll need a lot of that. It’s common practice to shoot through barriers, (glass, wall, doors) to hit the target behind, in a fight. I don’t think the .22 mag. is a smart choice for this task but maybe you could “pin them down” with withering fire… never mind.

    1. That’s crazy. With 25 in a PMR-30 and if you only land 5, the entity on the other end human or what ever isn’t still standing. Remember people the little bitty .22 LR kill more people then any other round. All guns even the .22 are deadly. Now yes, understand that if you land 5 chunks of .45 ACP lead, the offender will be 5 times as dead? For many of us, especially those who only have .22 it’s more the up to the task. Not my first choice but it’s more then up to the task of defending me.

  3. This is hands down the most fun pistol to shoot ever. I never go to the range without one of my three PMR’s, and I also bought a CMR-30 which is like a small AR in looks. (I put a forward grip and strike eagle scope on it) My pistols have been almost flawless except broken firing pins (2) and worn out bolt buffers. I have however put multiple thousands of rounds through them. My CMR is working now, but after I purchased it in Dec. 2015, I had to ship it to the factory three times because the bolt stop kept sheering off. After reading what I just wrote it sounds like I don’t like this pistol, but that would be farthest from the truth. These pistols are so fun to shoot, and I and I had to have a couple spares just in case…….

    1. I so wish I could afford just one used pmr-30 and of course the cm-30. I love my 22 mag revolver, I have had 2 of them. I just heard and saw this pmr 30, it’s like a dream come true. I just wish I could afford to buy a gun. My ex wife just sold my over and under, that I left her for protection. So I hope no one ever breaks in her house.

  4. The idea of having a carbine and pistol of the same caliber has always been attractive to me. While I have a few sets of pistol-carbine pieces, the sets that really attract me are those that are not only of the same caliber, but also feed ammo from the same magazines. To that end of magazine commonality, I have a Marlin .45ACP Camp Carbine that goes very nicely with my .45ACP 1911s, a Kel-Tec PLR16 that goes very nicely with my ARs and Kel-Tec SU16 in 5.56x45mm, and a Kel-Tec SUB2000 9x19mm that goes very nicely with my Smith & Wesson M&P 9. Each of these sets use the same magazines of the same calibers, thereby maintaining magazine compatibility to a very satisfying degree.

  5. I was amused to read a comment on a different website about the PMR-30 pistol. The author stated that the first time he fired the weapon, the rear sight flew off. I had to laugh, as the first time that I shot my PMR-30, the front sight flew off! Kel-Tec gave conflicting information on repairing the gun, so I fixed it myself. I must say, it has fired without fail since. I bought 4 additional magazines. I loaded them as per instructions in the manual. I could not get more than 25 rounds in any mag, including the 2 that came with the gun. I was fortunate to purchase the firearm for $429.00! Considering how hard it is to find one, I seen sales as high as $600.00. Although the PMR-30 is not as accurate as I expected, I do not regret buying it. It is lightweight and high capacity. I built a Get Home Bag around it. I would like to obtain a CMR-30, but I will NOT pay $800.00 for one. Ammo is hard to find.

  6. My wife got me one for my birthday and it has become my favorite pistol to shoot. Load 5 magazines before the range and you will be shooting for a long time. The recoil is minimal but the muzzle blast is loud so you need to wear shooting headphones. The sights are easy to see with tired eyes and it is very accurate. It makes a good defensive weapon with hollow points because you can take out the whole zombie appacolypse with one magazine. The grip fits my small hands well and the trigger is clean and crisp. Now if
    I could just get a CMR – 30 to go with it !!!

  7. A couple years ago I paid for a PMR-30 in full at a major sporting goods retailer. At the time, the waiting time was supposedly a month or two. Over the next year, I contacted the manufacturer 5 times to get an update on anticipated availability. Never, ever received any type of response from Kel-Tec. It seems KelTec has less Customer Service than product numbers. I was able to get a full refund from my retailer, and bought a Colt…

  8. I got one from a different online site to use on coyotes and snakes, while brush hogging on my tractor, after 3 hours I felt the holster on my waist and noticed my clip with 28 rounds was missing. Expecting the worst I found it later on my 4 wheeler in perfect condition, if you bump the latch you lose your mag, so now I use tape on the grips and around the mag. That’s my only issue.

  9. This gun is absolute junk. It patterns poorly and 22 WMR is not a good pistol round. It is loaded with propellant designed to burn through the time that it takes for the projectile to pass through a 20 inch barrel. in a pistol barrel it looses a large amount of velocity. there are no pistol loads for 22 WMR that I am aware of. It is not a practical self defense load and any one that write that they would prefer it to 380 or 32 has no credibility.

    1. You need to deploy your mental antennae. Calculating actual velocity from the pistols– 40 grain .22 Magnum versus 90 grain .380 the .22 Magnum has 20 pounds more energy. The .22 Magnum also has greater penetration than the .32 and .380. The small pocket pistols are very hard to shoot well, especially past 7 yards. The PMR 30 is very easy to use well. You really have to address details to shoot well with this gun. My observations on based upon the nourishment of experience.
      Thanks for reading.

    2. As I mentioned in the article the Hornady 45 gr. Critical Defense is purpose designed as a pistol round. CCI uses medium burning powder to achieve good results in the pistol length barrels of the PMR and also the Ruger Single SIx and others.

  10. I bought one about a year ago. I have participated in precision pistol for over 40 years but was unable to produce anything that could be called a group with the gun, the targets shot at 10 yards look more like 12 gauge patterning sheets for #2 buck shot at 40 yards. I sent the gun back along with pictures of my results. Kel-Tec returned it with a new barrel and a note saying that it now met factory specs. The “patterns” with the new barrel are about 30 % smaller but they are still not what I would consider a group. I have owned 13 other Kel-Tec firearms and still own and shoot 11 of them. This one is the worst piece of junk I have ever been stuck with, it feeds and fires reliably and will keep most of its shots inside the area of the human torso out to about 10 yards but I would never try hitting a squirrel or woodchuck with it at more than 5 ft (at that range the muzzle blast should do what the bullet should. I have purchased and tried at least a 1/2 dozen different brands of ammo including all but the Fiocchi listed in the article, none came anywhere near the groups described in it.

    1. @ Michael.

      Most Likely the Production! Metric “Doesn’t Translate Well Into American Measurements. Most Kel-Tec Firearms WERE In Fact Designed in Sweden, by Companies like: Husqvarna Group, FFV (Forsvarets Fabrissverken), Intratec, Grendel and Swedish Interdynamics.

      FYI: Husqvarna Group, started out as a Arms Manufacturer in 1690 and Stopped Making Firearms in 1972…

  11. I have owned my PMR – 30 for 3 years now, my entire family loves the pistol and we never go to the range without it. I have a safe full and shoot several different calibers whenever I do visit the range. Mine is extremely reliable and acurate. Maybe due to the light weight, people may tend to rush their shot with it, don’t know why some have accuracy problems with these. I always use Hornady or CCI ammo in it. I love mine and would not trade it for anything.

  12. I bought a PMR 30 some time ago and my son also bought one. He is a marine and knows how to shoot. I can shoot a 1″ group at 40 yards with my Taurus 357 revolver while bench resting.
    But this PMR shot groups so large they were off the paper at 30 feet. My sons did the same. The bullets were all keyholeing. We both tried a number of different kinds of ammo.
    I read this was common problem and Kel-Tec was sending owners new barrels to correct the problem.
    But when I called, they would not send me one. Neither my gun or my sons has ever been fired since.
    Me and my two sons own a quite a few Kel-Tecs, but none of us has bought another one since.

    I like the design of quite a few of them, but the quality and service leaves something to be desired in my opinion.

  13. The first ones that Kel-Tec produced were junk. All of the above mentioned problems were observed. First they over sold the market. Then when you got one it was in the mail or fix-it shop more than on the range. Kel-Tec may have solved their issues but a more likely scenario is that they tweak the ones that they send to gun writers.

    1. Only problem with that theory is that Bob Campbell buys most of his guns from local shops. Others are borrowed from students or customers that he does gunsmithing work for. When he queried me for this story, he had just bought the PMR-30 and wondered if I would be interested in the review. ~Dave Dolbee

  14. I am an FFL. I have had 3 on order from my distributor for 3 years. I ordered 5 and got 2 within a year or 2. Then nothing for the last 2 years. Same with the CMR-30’s. Very frustrating!!

  15. I bought mine right after Kel-Tec started advertising the gun in the American Rifleman. It is my favorite gun to shoot. The gun is very loud and when I go to the range, folks near me come over to see what I am shooting. With 30 rounds, it seems it will never run out of ammo. If you don’t own one, get one. You’ll never regret it.

  16. LOVE THIS GUN! Finally got one and fortunately it wasn’t the fluted barrel. Only issue I ever had was when my son loaded some mags. Mags I loaded worked flawlessly. I’ve shot anything from 30 to 40 grains,CCI,Winchester,hollow points,round nose and polymer tips without any problems. It is time consuming to load the mags properly but it pays off. The report and muzzle blast are always an attention getter at the range. This gun is just fun to shoot. Now all I need is to get my hands on a CMR-30!

  17. I tried to get a PMR 30 for several years when they were in short supply after reading about the weapon. I liked the idea of a 30 round mag for a self-defense pistol. But after reading some of the comments, I’m glad I didn’t buy the weapon when I finally could. Too many problems. I bought one of their 5.56 rifles when it first came out years ago, and like the M-16s I had in Vietnam, this one jammed every third round and I go rid of it. I did have a Keltec 9mm, I think it was the P-11 or something like that. Nice little weapon. Never had one misfire in 10 years. I even knocked the front sight off when I dropped it. Traded it in and got almost what I paid for it even without the front sight. I guess Keltec is hit and miss, and I’ll stick with my Smith 9 mm and 1911. Enjoyed the article. Thanks.

  18. Having returned three separate KT junk pistols for repairs, and selling them all to some poor sucker, I highly recommended one of my customers not order one of these.

    However, he did, and after one week has it up for sale on Gunbroker, because, it won’t feed reliably with any of the different types of ammo he bought.

    He told me it averages three to four jams, failures to eject, per magazine, plus, with the high cost of 22 mag ammo, he said he’s not blowing 10 bucks a mag to clear jams and misfeeds.

    Obviously, the above is a paid opinion piece and not a serious review of more KT junk.

    Some poor suckers going to get another taste of second hand KT crap, and maybe learn a lesson about dealing with a company who has yet to deliver any well made products, in a decent time frame, at a price point that doesn’t end up gouging customers with promises that can’t be kept, if and WHEN, the product finally hits the shelves.

  19. Bought the PMR30 about 4 months ago despite all the advice I got telling me not to. This is what you need to know if you plan on buying one. If you like to deal with pistols that don’t feed every time go buy one. If you want to have to remember to smack the magazine after you load 5 rounds buy one. And if you want to struggle finding ammo.. yeah.
    Look, the concept was good and I love the design (minus the mag release position) but I’m not into guns that don’t work. This gun will jam on you and once you master how to load the ammo it will still not feed the rounds. Since I bought it I have never gone through one magazine without a hiccup. That’s not ok. Stay away from this thing, it has serious design flaws.

  20. I really like the PMR 30 BUT I do not carry it anymore. Shoots and functions very well and accuracy with my pistol is terrific. I thought it would be perfect for the farm to shoot snakes and other pests. It would have been except for the magazine release position. I transition from vehicles, tractors, ATVs, work in close quarters in brush and trees which causes contact with the heel of the pistol grip. So far, I have lost two fully loaded magazines. Testing my pistol has shown me how easy it is to depress the magazine latch which results in a magazine ready to fall out of the gun. Would love to find an aftermarket device which blocks the magazine latch from an inadvertent release of the magazine. I would start carrying the PMR 30 again. Until I find such a device to block the magazine release it will remain a novelty.

    1. Lost my mag out of my waist holster on my tractor while brush hogging high brush, I found it later in perfect condition and now use camo duct tape down the grip over the mag and back up the other grip, doesn’t look pretty but I will have more than one round.

  21. Bought for fishing vest gun in high country. Got for way less than msrp off GB seller that could not move locally. Suits me for what it is and intended use, capacity being what I wanted.

  22. After having this on my wish list for years, I was lucky enough to find one about six months ago.
    Found it better to load the mags to 25 rounds.
    After 500 rounds absolutely no fff or jams.
    A blast to shoot.
    As far as beind a defensive round, the 22 mag is superior to the 32 or 380 with a fraction of the recoil. Do the research and buy this gun and a 22 mag revolver for concealed carry.
    Stay away from cheap ammo.

  23. I ordered one before they were really available, saw it at NRA event. It is great to shoot and looks like a flame thrower in the dark. Have since bought the flash suppressor and the optics mount. Only problem I have noted is the top slide does not fit the bottom level. It is curved, I wrote Kel-Tec at least a dozen times to no avail. Glad to read some of the folks are at least getting Kel-Tec to honor the warranty. Not sure how much of a problem the arc is but it does allow the barrel to move up and down. That may be why the shot groups are off for others.

  24. I bought a PMR out of curiosity when they showed up at a local retailer priced at MSRP instead of the more usual incredibly inflated price. It’s a sturdy handgun considering the construction material. Mine wouldn’t ignite cartridges reliably until I cleaned the oily mess out of the firing pin channel. After that, it was pretty reliable as far as ignition went. It would not function 100% on any of the recommended ammo, but did on some that weren’t on the recommended list. Accuracy was disappointing; I never got a group as good as related in this review article. Finally traded it for a very nice S&W pre-Mod 63 Kit Gun, both sides of the deal were happy.

    Final analysis: It’s a fun-to-shoot novelty, not accurate or reliable enough for defensive purposes. I wonder if a straight blowback .22LR version might not work better as well as being more accurate and cheaper to shoot.

  25. I purchased a PMR-30 used about two years ago. I had problems with the barrel, firing pin and even had a barrel blow up. Every time Kel-Tec honored the life time warranty and repaired the gun or sent me the parts to repair it myself. I still have the gun and shoot it often. I thought about selling it after the barrel exploded but it is fun to shoot so I decided to keep it..

  26. Accuracy vs precision…a fairly common issue for all shooters I suspect. The article mentions “accurate enough for varmints or small game”. Also mentions 25 yard groups of 3.5 to 4.0 inches shot from a bench – likely off a sand bag.

    There is a ground hog developing a subdivision under the concrete floor of my shop building. I could probably run a stake out 25 feet from an entrance. Firing a 1″ group on this guy might be enough, but that group is going to consist of one shot. How realistic is it to expect first shot from a cold barrel to be head or chest fatal?

  27. The first time I fired mine one or the rear fiber optics pop out. I pushed it back in and it has held for now. But you must wonder for how long.

  28. I bought my PMR 30 about a year ago. It’s amazingly accurate at 25 yards. The trigger is the best in my gun safes (I have 12 firearms). I bought this for my “get home bag” because of it’s light weight and ammo capacity. It weighs almost nothing fully loaded with 30 rounds. It has replaced my Glock and Ruger 9mm and 45s as my preferred carry weapon.

    Get one if you can find one. Just an awesome little gun!

  29. I would not purchase anything from Kel Tec! I got a PMR30, immediately it would not cycle any type of ammo reliably, I sent it back to Kel Tec. They sent it back six months later saying problem solved. They must of put no more than a few rounds through, It failed half way through a magazine. Now it sits in a closet somewhere (not worthy of a safe) to never be found again.

  30. I’ve had one of these pistols for a few years – it’s fantastic! Also a head-turner at the range. My female friends start by shooting a 9mm – then I pull this out and launch a few rounds downrange. I can tell they’re interested, so I let them try it – BIG mistake – it’s gone the rest of the day. Not just by them – I see a LOT of guys with a big smile after shooting it. I’ve never had one problem with it and after at least 5000 rounds, it still shoots like a champ.

  31. I found one a couple of years back. Thought I was lucky and bought it without hesitation. What a mistake. I had 3 mags for it and no matter what mag I used I could not put more than 15 rounds in it for the gun to function. It would fire and jam or fail to feed the next round. I bought CCI for it and never could get it to function with more than 15 rounds in the magazine. I gave up, picky guns have no place in my collection. Even after explaining the issues I had with it I found a gun store that took it in trade for what I paid for it. They in turn marked it for way more than MSRP and sold in a couple of weeks. To the me the gun is a neat concept but junk.

  32. I have probably shot about 1K rounds through mine. The only issues I have had is failures to strip from the mags. Pull the trigger. Click. No round in chamber. And in every case manual operation will chamber the round that failed to pick up. It’s never a jam, just a failure to pick up the round. And yes I know about the recommended loading techniques. I have shot about ten different loads through it. Including all the self defense loads. Gold dots. Hornady defense. Federal PDX. The issue seems to mainly be with the so called defense ammo. In a AR system I would say short cycling but with the plastic mags it’s possible its cycling faster than the sluggish plastic mags can handle?(just speculating there) the full power rounds designed for rifles will nearly always pick up from the mag and fire. And it is very important to pay attention to loading the mags. It’s easy to get them locked up inside. Several times I have had to disassemble the magazine just to get the rounds unjammed. I have 10 magazines all together and all will act the same way. Also I noticed that when leaving the magazines fully loaded over a period of time nearly every magazine had failures to pick up a round when firing. With all that said, I love the pistol. It is fun to shoot and with regular rifle ammo in it I never have an issue. It is a piece of cake to shoot all 30 straight rounds without an issue. The trigger is wonderful. And the accuracy is plenty good enough for what it is. It’s a hell of lot better than the p.o.s. Excelerator 22mag pistol I bought a few years ago that is so poorly designed that it allowed a round to blow the base off the round. You do not truly understand how dirty rimfire ammo is until you pick about 28 pieces of powder impregnated into your face out With tweezers.

  33. Thank You for your review of this firearm. Bobby – this is the first time I have read your writing. You Sir, write the way I want to listen… I want this pistol. As soon as I can find a way to get the cost of one past my social security check budget and the supply line – I’m gonna buy one… or two. I just can’t wait to have this firepower in two handed action.. Beats hell out of going bowling.

  34. I have one. And I love to hate it. There is almost always a FTF due to the problem with pushing such long, narrow rounds up through the magazine. It’s a magazine issue not a gun issue. The gun works great. The magazines not so much.

    By “almost always” I mean every other magazine full.

    Having said that. Clearing the jam is quick and easy. I got this gun for my petite daughter and she has mastered it just fine.

    I prefer she have 30 rounds of 22 mag over 7 rounds of .380. She manages it well.

  35. When the PMR30 first came out, I figured it would make a fine substitute for the FN FiveseveN pistol, which seemed really exorbitantly priced. It is a fun gun, and with 30 rounds of .22WMR in the magazine, it does have some potential as a personal defense piece. It continues to keep my attention, although I have had mine for a few years. I also broke down and paid the exorbitant price for the FN FiveseveN, that comes with three 20 round magazines and is a real screamer in it’s own right.

    1. I don’t know and will never find out. That kind of abuse will ruin many fine firearms. A door gunner on a Blackhawk needs a gun that will withstand that abuse I do not. Many AR 15 rifles have been ruined by constant over heating, as the military did when testing their latest issue AR magazines. The barrels drooped from heat? So– what would possibly be the point?
      It would be like running my Corvette without oil or running it on the redline for an hour– just no point.

  36. FYI: Nylon used is called PA66-GF or Nylon 6/6 or Nylon 66. It has a 30%-33% Glass-Fiber Structural Reinforcement to the Nylon, Structural Strength of the PA66-GF is ~10,000psi. So EVEN if the Nylon Survives, the Metal in the Gun MAY NOT. It Starts to get HOT at ~374F, and Starts to MELT at ~663F. Just In Case Someone What to Make a YouTube Video on How Many Rounds It Will Shoot before Structural Failure…

  37. I always thought this was a great idea, at one time, any way. But now with the cost of rimfire ammo, it has moved to the status of novelty on my priority list.

    At $10 to $15 dollars a box of ammo, we are starting to look like 9mm. ammo prices.

    From a practical standpoint, in a rifle or carbine platform, the old .22 hornet would make more sense, being able to reload it anywhere from .22 LR power levels to near .223. In a handgun format, .38 special or 9mm can be reloaded much more cheaply than buying non reloadable magnum rimfire.

    For a novelty, though, these look slicker than snail snot.

  38. I bought mine a few years ago as a fun gun. Be sure to loctite the front sight as mine came off as I was shooting at the range

  39. This pistol has been very problematic for the small town gunshop/gun repair who I work for . We have sold 3 or 4 and now we no longer sell this pistol. First you get a list of limited ammo you can use. You can’t run any off the shelf ammo you wont. We have had two come back with blown up slides using the recommended ammo. People are having problems bending the ammo loading the mags and locking up the gun when fired.

    1. Im on my second one now… owned the PMR-30 for about two weeks and with the give ammo that i was sold and told to run had one fire out of batter blowing the top of the gun apart. The shop i bought it from sent it out amd i had a brand new gun in about three weeks. Yes hard to load with out bending the cartridge too.

    2. The key to your difficulties is in the statement; “People are having problems bending the ammo loading the mags…”, to which I respond that is a customer education issue. If you are forcing ammo into a magazine and making it bend, then you are doing something terribly wrong. Common sense should tell you that is a problem and you should stop yourself and seek help before ever loading that magazine into the mag well. This isn’t a manufacturer’s problem, it is the result of impatience and unrealistic expectations. If a gun magazine has a listed capacity of 30 rounds, it does not mean you can jam ammo into it under excessive force. Some magazines are difficult to fully load when the spring is new, that is a metallurgical property of the spring to resist compression. If you have that situation, remove a round or two when the loading becomes difficult, and go shoot that amount for a few loadings, most double stack magazines take a bit of wearing in before they can be fully loaded. The key concept here is patience. let the magazine break in and don’t ever force anything when it comes to firearms. To do otherwise invites disaster and it is not a defect, it is a limitation of materials capability. Over time the full capacity of the magazine spring will be attained, but any new spring is always harder to compress when new.

      As to your other customer complaints about ammunition feeding and functioning in this firearm, all I can say is this is not a new concept. Almost every gun ever produced will exhibit the tendency to work or not work with any given load or manufactured ammunition brand.

      None of that is the fault of the PMR-30, nor is it unique to it. Most of this is as I stated before a customer education issue, and instead of refusing to sell a particular gun that fits some customer’s needs, perhaps you should adopt a new mindset and do some research – how can you expect customers to learn if you don’t have the information to teach them?

    3. I have never had a problem loading good mags. Maybe if they made better mags they would not have this problem. I also see a lot of people here who are having the gun blow up on them and sights falling off and problem after problem. This pistol has been out for several years and still they have problems like most of therè firearms. They probley need to stick to aerospace. And you need to brush up on firearms technology gunsmith at small

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