Concealed Carry

Heavy Insurance: The 1911 for Concealed Carry

Black dual holster with 2 brown gripped pistols on a white background

As a professional, I take every handgun on its own merits. I take dry lines and trope and infuse the technical with life, making it interesting for you, the reader. Having an idea is not as difficult as putting it together.

Man in white shirt practicing with a 1911, wooded area in the background
The 1911 is fast into action and controllable—note two cases in the air and back on target.

While I try to be fair to every pistol, I have been taken to task for my devotion to the 1911. I think confidence is a better term. There is a sense of history and emotional attachment that cannot be denied; there also is respect for an implement designed to save lives, one that performs better than any other when you study all particulars in zero gauge.

Critics of the 1911 often are uncomfortable with the piece for one reason or another. Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, although we are not entitled to our own facts.

Let’s get the facts straight.

Choosing the Right Pistol

More than once, I have been in situations when my life was on the line, and I am not about to choose a handgun based on ego. I did not choose the 1911 arbitrarily. I did not decide to carry the piece because it was expected of me. The opposite is true, and it was a struggle to have the pistol approved by the various agencies for which I worked. My research and personal experience led to the 1911.

Gray haired man practicing with a 1911
When all is said and done, cocked and locked, the 1911 and a high level of training are the best choices for those willing to engage in meaningful training and practice.

I did not choose the pistol; I recognized its efficiency.

I have a strong interest in competition and hunting, as well as personal defense. There are handguns better suited to a certain niche than the 1911, yet none is as all-around useful.

The ergonomics are unchallenged.

  • It fits most hands well.
  • The controls are laid out perfectly for the reach of the average hand.
  • The low-bore axis limits muzzle flip.

Comparing the 1911 to other types, well, if you fumble the draw and aim at a stationary target, the advantages are not as apparent.

Many years ago, when I first drew the 1911 from the Don Hume thumb break, there was something different.

  • My hand funneled into the grip strap.
  • I drew and placed my finger straight along the frame as my thumb actuated the safety.
  • My hands met in a two-hand grip.
  • The angle of deflection in the grips of which Cooper spoke was apparent.
  • My hand did not feel overstretched but comfortable.
  • The straight-to-the-rear trigger compression felt right.
  • At every step and for every trigger press, I was in control and performing as well as possible with a handgun.
  • When the .45 fired, I knew I held a powerful handgun, yet it abraded neither my palm nor my senses. There were no eddies in my skin.
  • Since the centerline of the bore was relatively close to the hand, there was little leverage for the muzzle to rise.
  • I began firing double taps. An instant second shot printed very close to the first.
  • Tracking between targets was excellent.
  • I could reasonably expect to double tap three targets in the same time frame that it once took to hit three targets with the Combat Magnum (practice is the key).

Safety First

Light handled 1911 in a tan IWB holster
There are times when only an inside-the-waistband holster will do. Note how the wings of this Rock N S leather holster spread the weight of the gun along the beltline.

I appreciate the safety features of the 1911 while realizing true safety is between the ears. When the pistol is properly carried, cocked and locked, hammer to the rear and slide-lock safety engaged, the sear is locked. The pistol cannot fire. If you drop the pistol while the safety is off, the grip safety prevents it from firing. I like those features very much.

A Proven Design

While some say the 1911 is dated, that is far from true. While I prefer the original type for most uses, some modern 1911 handguns have space-age finishes (stainless steel is pretty modern for me), and some examples sport accessory rails for mounting combat lights.

The 1911 is among the most proven of all handgun designs, and not only in the hoary pages of some 1911 Army test. The FBI tested the Springfield Professional Model to the tune of 20,000 rounds without a single malfunction. While the Springfield Professional is not an inexpensive handgun, comparable models, such as the Springfield TRP and Springfield Loaded Model, offer much the same durability, although not quite the same fit and accuracy.

The 1911 is the fastest of the big-bore handguns into action—period—and the fastest to an accurate first shot. Compact versions are available that offer real comfort while giving up little in efficiency. The Colt Commander remains a classic I appreciate very much.

A Look at Ammunition

Man in white shirt practicing with a 1911, wooded area in the background
The 1911 has plenty of power for every reasonable defensive situation.

The cartridge deserves some attention. The .45 ACP originated in a day when most handgun cartridges were low-pressure numbers. The .455 Webley, for example, pushed a 265-grain bullet at only 650 fps. That made the .45 ACP a powerhouse in comparison with a 230-grain jacketed bullet at 820 fps. The combination has proven enough for personal defense and, in fact, has an unrivaled record.

Historical data is there, and so are empirical tests. There are those who have offered so-called studies with zero validity. A test that is unrepeatable and unverifiable and a report that uses secret sources are highly suspect, to say the least. Suffice it to say, the .45 ACP cartridge has a good balance of power and control. Modern expanding bullet ammunition is well designed and makes the most of the .45 ACP.

There is only so much you can add to a cartridge that begins with a bullet with .451-inch diameter without expansion.

When you consider all of the advantages of the 1911, the pistol is a model of human engineering. Ergonomics inspiration or common sense (or whatever you choose to call it), the 1911 is a wonderful handgun on all counts. It is a handgun that gives good men and women every advantage against our protein-fed, ex-con criminal class.

Give the 1911 an honest try, and you may reach the same conclusion.

1911 for Concealed Carry?

Brown and black Avenger type high ride holster with 1911
The Avenger-type high-ride holster is ideal under a covering garment. Note the high ride and well-designed holstering welt.

All right, you say, all of that is proven on the range, but what about carrying the 1911? Is it not long and heavy? Those features are among the best advantages of the 1911. It is long and thin and concealable. When the piece is cocked and locked, you can shove it into a tight-fitting holster without the slide moving to the rear, and the trigger does not get caught in the holstering welt, belt loop or safety strap.

I like that very much.

The flat, smooth, lines of the 1911 promote a fast draw. I want to make an important point about concealed carry. I do not find a handgun that is easily concealed and then attempt to make it work well on the range. Rather, I find out if the pistol is effective on the range.

I do not hope the cartridge will work for me; I choose a proven number I know will work. With that in mind, there are a number of quality concealed-carry holsters that make carrying the 1911 concealed effective, and like any handgun, bearable to keep close to the body.

Concealment and comfort are two different issues.

Galco IWB on a tan belt with a black-handled 1911 against a white shirt
This Galco IWB features excellent quality and dual belt loops for security. The level of retention is high.

If you work at it, even a service-grade handgun can be concealed. It is simply more comfortable to conceal a lighter handgun. When all is said and done, there is nothing faster to an accurate first shot than the 1911 handgun, and nothing else offers its the combination of speed, accuracy and power.

  • You must choose a first-class inside-the-waistband holster for best results.
  • You also must choose a service-grade leather belt heavy enough to support the weight of a 40-ounce 1911 .45. Thin department store belts will not work, although that is true of most any handgun.

With a proper belt and holster, the 1911 can be worn professionally and with a guarantee of speed and concealment for those who practice.

Do you use a 1911 for concealed carry? Why, or why not? Do share with your fellow shooters in the comment section.


About the Author:

Bob Campbell

Bob Campbell’s primary qualification is a lifelong love of firearms, writing, and scholarship. He holds a degree in Criminal Justice but is an autodidact in matters important to his readers. Campbell considers unarmed skills the first line of defense and the handgun the last resort. (He gets it honest- his uncle Jerry Campbell is in the Boxer’s Hall of Fame.)

Campbell has authored well over 6,000 articles columns and reviews and fourteen books for major publishers including Gun Digest, Skyhorse and Paladin Press. Campbell served as a peace officer and security professional and has made hundreds of arrests and been injured on the job more than once.

He has written curriculum on the university level, served as a lead missionary, and is desperately in love with Joyce. He is training his grandchildren not to be snowflakes. At an age when many are thinking of retirement, Bob is working a 60-hour week and awaits being taken up in a whirlwind many years in the future.

Published in
Black Belt Magazine
Combat Handguns
Rifle Magazine
Gun Digest
Gun World
Tactical World
SWAT Magazine
American Gunsmith
Gun Tests Magazine
Women and Guns
The Journal Voice of American Law Enforcement
Police Magazine
Law Enforcement Technology
The Firearms Instructor
Tactical World
Concealed Carry Magazine
Concealed Carry Handguns

Books published

Holsters for Combat and Concealed Carry
The 1911 Automatic Pistol
The Handgun in Personal Defense
The Illustrated Guide to Handgun Skills
The Hunter and the Hunted
The Gun Digest Book of Personal Defense
The Gun Digest Book of the 1911
The Gun Digest Book of the 1911 second edition
Dealing with the Great Ammunition Shortage
Commando Gunsmithing
The Ultimate Book of Gunfighting
Preppers Guide to Rifles
Preppers Guide to Shotguns
The Accurate Handgun
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Comments (83)

  1. I legally conceal carry a 1911 MEUSOC type pistol in a custom kydex level two retention OWB holster. I believe that civilian assaults take place at very close range. I depend on and have recently used hand to hand USMC LINE CQB to defend myself against unarmed aggressors at extremely clise quarters. My MEUSOC 1911 carried in a level two holster, condition one, makes it so I do not worry about gun grabs. the added protection of a manual safety control grip safety also limits an adversaries ability to use the weapon in a day and age when the safety of most pistols is in the trigger. I would never use any other pistol for EDC.

  2. I have three main carry pistols. Most days it is a Glock 30s. The stubby lines of the 30S and light weight, along with the ten round capacity make it attractive for the purpose. IWB carry is preferred, in a Galco Triton Kydex holster which is convenient and very concealable. While light, he 30s is a fat, thick little pistol and after a few hours it begins to wear on me.

    When I can, I also carry my Ruger SR1911CMD, also in a Triton IWB holster. The 1911 is more comfortable to carry than the Glock for longer than a few hours since it is thinner and the length has a bit of a tendency to spread the friction around a little more. This is still an all steel pistol, yet with the Triton holster it feels lighter.. The only drawback is the longer, squarer grip frame sometimes will print easier with flighter fabrics or garments. I use it mainly with sweats, jackets or vests where I know there is little chance of it printing. I carry it cocked and locked. It also happens to be the pistol I shoot the best with and I am very confident carrying it,, though I do quite well with the Glock too.

    For other times I carry a Kahr CW9 in either a Stow and Go IWB or a little custom Kydex IWB holster. Both are very concealable and comfortable for all day carry. This is my Summer carry pistol. It is both reliable and accurate. It is also easy to handle and shoot, feeling a bit like a small 1911. The trigger is very different than either the Glock or 1911 and requires a long deliberate pull for each shot, and is similar inn feel to a quality double action revolver.

    Lately I have been considering the purchase of one of the Kimber, Sig or Dan Wesson pistols with a bobtail grip. I believe such a pistol in Commander length could just about replace the other three pistols for most situations and still allow me to carry with my favorite .45 ACP cartridge. My opinion is based on the carry experience with the other three pistols.

  3. I often carry a springfeild full sized 1911. its a reliable gun with a powerful round. Of course function is not the only important thing, its good looking to. However it is a heavy weapon and should be used with a good holster and belt. As for me, wellf i use a cheap wallmart belt though and its worked fine so far so one doesn’t have to go all pricey if they don’t want even thought it might be more ideal. Anyway if ones looking for maximal concealability and ease of carry it might be good to look elsware, but if one wants a good looking, accurate, durable, powerful, and safe gun and can handle the extra heft of the thing, then it might be the right fit for you.

  4. Yes, there are squirrles–and possums’, and stray cats too. There all in my Avocado tree and back yard. Im a Cat Lover–but squirrles and possums make a great stew. I hate digging out the pellets though. Add salt, pepper, celery, carrots; in a crock pot, simmer on medium over night then enjoy.

  5. I was born self reliant and my father taught me the rest. I can dish it out faster than she can respond back. I have a huge vocabulary of dish it out quips I use when I need to. My father, God Love Him, used to say “Two Minutes of Pleasure, 20 yrs. of Misery”. I live by the theory that my bubble is thicker than hers or anyone elses–and the Life Insurance Policy is STILL in my name. Just gas my boat, gas my Suburban gather up my guns and DVD’s and head for my Gold mine I have in Idaho. One road in, one road out @ 8000′ + 26 acres with it. No Gold, but plenty of silence and solitude and HUNTING!. I’ll send you a Picture when i figure out how.

  6. Just buy a Mac 10 in .45 acp w/ barrell extension and some 30 rnd. mags. Only run the hot stuff through it though. It takes a lot of Omph to push that heavy steel bolt back all the way. Its a one minute or so takedown time to strip the bolt, spring, and upper receiver and screw off the barrell extension. Just wrap the barrell extension with insulation or you’ll have bacon fingers real quick.

  7. Life is never Ending Fun until you die. But, on the other hand, you don’t worry about wives, bank accts. (If you have any left), friends or enemies, parts for your vehicle and all that other stuff. Just remember–If it has Tires , or T______S!, your going to have trouble with it.

    1. @ Martin Pierce.

      The text book definition of Insanity is, Try different methods or things, to come to the same conclusion. Then there’s Female Physics, “No matter what you say or do, your always going to be WRONG. Just sit there and look STUPID, its much safer that way. If she ask you. Do you like this Dress, Do you like these Shoes, Do you like may Hair. etc, etc, etc. It’s a DEATH QUESTION, Keep your mouth shut. DON’T !!! SAY!!! ANYTHING!!! She has your LIFE in her hands. It’s God’s Cruelest Joke To Man, WIVE’S/WOMAN/WOMEN/DAUGHTER’S. IT’S ALL THE SAME. Take care of yourself Martin Pierce, Nice knowing you!!!

  8. Wait a minute, not in Nev. yet. Too much junk to throw away (Did I say That?). I never throw anything away!. Foot OK, A________ is sore from too much b. s. Just ordered 2 50′ lb. boxes of wheel weights from amazon and shipped to Nev. Pick up over Christmas and bring back home for casting. all clean and ready to go except for removing the clips from–.and flux. Will start on New Years day when wife goes to indian bingo and wins me some more money. She’s getting stingy in her old age. No bullets I said, “No Jewelry Either”!. So there.

  9. make a holster from indoor-outdoor carpet. lay gun on, trace around with marker. try fit, sew, if good, cut sew, use for pattern. buy old leather jacket @ goodwill, cut out lining for inside leather holster, glue with rubber cement; stitch up holster, add belt loop, clip and/ or riveted steel back plate for stiffness on belt. Tip: make your own 2″ leather belt, anything less is useless, add retainers, snaps, etc., etc., etc..Buy whole side of cow leather from tandy leather, 10/ 20 oz cowhide, or scraps. make holsters forever from whole side. saddle skirting / stirrup leather is good for holsters. making holsters, other stuff for 30 yrs. now.

    1. @ Martin Pierce.

      How’s the Move, How’s is the Foot, How’s Nevada, I thought your wife Finally came to her senses, and did you in (LOL). Was looking through CA. Obituaries, didn’t see you name!!!

  10. As a comfortably retired cop (1979 – 2000), I carried .38, .357, 9mm, & .40 over the years. I bought a Llama 1911 clone that was on a police turn-in sale. The previous owner trusted it enough to use it as his final solution to his worldly problems. It sat in a police impound for eight years with blood and brains clogging up the works, not to mention ruining the bluing. I bought it because of my father’s fond memories from WWII. After a loooooong cleaning process that I will not go into details here, I had it re-blued, and had the barrel ported and polished to feed hollow-points reliably. That’s the only work it has had done. I consistantly pull 10 inch groups at 25 yards. As far as concealed carry goes, I do a little leather work here and there, so I molked my own inside the belt holster. It looks funky, since I built it wrong side out (on purpose). This gives me a smooth draw from the grain side of the leather, as well as giving a rough outside that grips my clothes from inside. I also pulled a switch on most holsters by reversing the grip so the grip points outward from my spine. If you want a comparison, reach back and scratch your spine. Then, rub your spine with theback of your hand. The palm out reach Iis more natural, at least for me. As far as stopping power goes, I hear a lot about hyper-velocity meaning greater stopping power. I have to refer to ballistic gelatin tests that show 9mm hollow-points traveling up to 17 inches through the gel before stopping. The .45only travels about 6 – 8 Iinches of penetration. Hmmmm. The average human body is about 12 inches front to back. That means that the 9mm is going to exit the back, still travelling at over 1000 fps. The .45on the other hand spends 100 percent of kinetic energy without leaving the target. Unless you’resshooting at Shamu, you are way over compensating for something. Sorry to get so long winded, but you got on MY personal soapbox with this post. Thanks.

  11. If anyone or anybody runs across a De Lisle .45ACP Commando Carbine or a De Lisle .45ACP Parachute Carbine, for sale let me know, please.

  12. Cocked n locked. 12 years now. Yes it’s heavy, but carrying concealed should be comforting not comfortable. 1911, proven and reliable. worried about magazine compacity carry extra’s. when nano seconds count single action cocked n locked 1911 get’s the job done

  13. I carry a vintage Colt with a Series 70 slide, Leeper sights, Bianchi pancake holster OWB, never prints outside coat. Love it

  14. I began a career as a police officer in 1974 and carried a 1911 on duty or off duty for 30 years. I retired 10 years ago and still choose to carry a 1911 almost exclusively. It fits my hand and I shoot it well. (I still shoot IDPA and 3Gun with a 1911 to keep my skill level up.)
    As for a holster for concealed carry, I have been carrying an Andrews IWB model for 15 years and find it to be the best I’ve ever used.

  15. I carried a Kimber Ultra Carry 45 with a 3 inch barrel in Texas for 5 years. I found this gun to be very comfortable to carry concealed and it was excellent at the range. I am currently using it for PPC match shooting. I like the safety features since we draw from a holster as part of the match. I also carried a military 1911 for two years while in the Army MPs. Thus I am very partial to the 1911 45 handgun.

    1. @ Joe Gunn.

      What can you say, the M1911 in .45ACP is a Universal Translator, just point it at someone. And they already know what your saying, in any language.

    2. HAHA! Yeah, sort of the same “Universal…” as my Remington 870 chambering a round. Whoever (or Whatever) was on the other side of my front door is long gone before I open it…

      Actually, I used to keep a round in the chamber at home (no kids around anymore), but I just LOVE that sound!

  16. Thanks for the comment – JMASS. Like I teach my kids, – all guns are always loaded all the time and the best safety is keeping your finger out of the trigger well. You asked about glock mags I think. I have a Glock 22 in 40SW and a Glock 32 in .357 SIG. YEs the mags are interchangeable for gen 1,2 and 3. Gen 4 are ambi guns, so mags are different. However, the 357 mags are stamped on the back .357, same for the 40SW mags. Keep in mind also that the G22 mags are a bit longer than the G32 mags, so they will extend out about 1/2″ or so. You can buy mag spacers if you like. I bought half dozen G22 mags with 15 rd capacity on sale about a month ago and can use them with my G32. The G32 mags are typically more expensive than the G22 was the reason. Got them from Brownells. Also have a Glock 19 in 9mm, which I Prefer over the G17 which I was issued. All three are great shooters, accurate and not picky re ammo. I Have an XD that has advantage over the GLocks with a grip safety. I thought it was a bit gimmicky at first in terms of design, but it does work well. I also like that you CANNOT rack the slide, or move it, if the grip safety is not depressed. I would guess that one out of 50 guys that come into my shop for work, will have a round in the chamber. In 30 yrs I had 3 or 4 cases where the barrel was blocked solid and the owner did not know. I always clear and rod every gun that comes into the shop period. I am the only one working in the shop, and I admit to being an sob re safety. Yes I know some guys who have a 55 gal drum with sand and they test fire in the shop and they occasionally have ND’s. aside from injuries inside, you can have injuries outside as well since walls are typically not bullet proof. Even more true at home.

  17. Here where I live is a Memorial Hospital with that service to the front door then they park your car and bring it back when your ready. Have to be the early bird to get the Worm–Like before the sun comes up. I have Scrapnel fragments in my spine that the doctor said the bone would grow over it. Fortunatley, not to close to the cord and they are minute. But occassionally, my back flairs up and I must take something for it. Prescriptions cost money so I prefer a good belt or two of Jim Beam when it happens. I like to dip my Oreo Cookies in heated J B for a added Sugar Rush. Va @ one time wanted to work on me but I said no to that. I’ll be happy to Suffer in a sugar induced haze If necessary.

  18. when it comes to concealed carry of a 45 i own and carry either a para ordnance para carry or warthog wtth a 3 inch barrel both are extremely lightweight (23 oz) and easy to conceal .

  19. Happy 75th belated? I’m 66 and hoping for more– I haven’t shot every gun I could possibly shoot yet. My Wife is sick of gun talk. Her and her friend are dropping me off at Home Town Buffet, then they are going somewhere else to eat dinner without me. I was born with a gun teething ring in my mouth I think. I had to move the guns off of the bed at home before we got married on the Queen Mary ship. You know the drill–me or the guns go!. They ended up on the sofa for a week afterwards until I bought a gun safe. Got to break off now because the computer is overheating and its time to get ready to go and Move Out!.

  20. It Happens–I use both about equal now, but was a 1911 person years before the Glock. I believe for me they even shoot to the same point of aim. At one time I had a LOOOOng Barrell bushing you could cock your 1911 against any hard surface. They were marketed to Women that dont have the slide jacking hand strength. I found them to be a pretty handy item. Maybe your wounded and only have one hand to change mag and cock it. About the same as running a long compensated and muzzel braked barrell. Call me a Sissy if you like, but thats my take on it. Basic training dictates keep finger out of trigger guard and dont play quick draw. it happens during and before shift assignments @ police depts. every so often. I wont say all the time but–.

  21. Very good article. I was first trained on the Colt 1911 in the 60’s. It is what I know best and feel most comfortable with. Carried a 1911 and a .38 for 32 months in Vietnam. Been an FFL and a smith for 30 or so yrs now. Worked on many many 1911 and 1991 over the years, and have 14 in my collection, incl two 1911M. I rely on the 1911 and 1991. I also have 3 GLocks, an XD and an M&P, and actually a big fan of them. All are GREAT pistols. However, it was very hard to transition from a 1991 to the Glock, XD and M&P mostly due to the safety features or, in my opinion, lack of them. I Feel comfortable with a grip safety, slide lock, sear block combination. Not so comfortable with a split trigger safety. If you have a tight holster, or after an “incident”, you got the nerves and you attempt to holster your weapon in a cockeyed manner, you are probably safe with a 1911, but not necessarily with a GLock. There are many more negligent discharges with these polymer guns (like Glock) than I think are reported on, IMO. Pushing that slide just a 3/8″ or so will cock a Glock and you can do it without knowing. Again I am a fan of the polymers like GLock. Great for fun, for the range, competition, nightstand, but not for carry, not for me. I know LE and security likes these polymer guns with the trigger safety so they can get into the fight quicker, and that is a selling point. When I worked diplomatic security, I carried a 1991A1, and a Wesson 357, while the young guys carried polymers. Over two yr period, I know of 4 accidental (negligent) discharges – just two yrs, and these guys were all vets and should have known better. Just my 2 cents.

    1. Shame there’s not a “Like” button here, I’d click it for your opinion, retired75th. As you stated, if the actual number of “ADs” were reported, the figure might be frightening! Read an article recently that said you can almost guarantee that any gunsmith who’s been in the business for any length of time is sure to have an unintentional hole drilled in his/her workbench. I’ve only been around handguns since 2001 (after 9/11), but I’ve come awfully close to having an extra hole in my bench due to polymer-framed type guns. Only strict adherence to Gun Safety Law (my definition) number one has prevented it: ALWAYS treat a gun as loaded.

  22. I’m so sorry for that, TRUELY. Maybe a Medical Shuttle service that works with your Ins. plan–they help you in places and pick you up.

  23. Yeah, and UGLY too–Just jokeing. Well, I might be jokeing but–there is no such thing as an ugly gun (My opinion Only). Wear and Tear and lost finish is sometimes the best. Take my Old Pair of cowboy boots from way back. Just now wearing them in. These new ones hurt and I don’t wear them.

  24. Big Glock Fan Mod. 20 10mm. Big 1911 fan, also have a Colt series ’70 .45acp. Im about equal on either one either way. The Glock in my spandex t-shirt under arm pocket under hawaiian shirt. The series ’70 in my inside pocket Navy pigskin WW 2 jacket. On the 8th day, God created the 1911; on the 9th day he created the Glock.

    1. Always wanted a G-20, just never added it to inventory. Spent a lot on a G-22 ’cause to me it’s the “convertible” Glock: bought a 9mm conversion barrel from Lone Wolf and some G-17 mags — shoot cheaper. Bought a G-35 barrel (yeah, it sticks out!) for a little more accuracy… although I’m not that good to begin with – hehehe! Never did buy a .357 sig barrel, though. My understanding is that you can still use the .40 cal mags, but never researched that thoroughly. I know I’d pick the G-22 over the G-17 any day… but, like I said at the beginning, haven’t even shot a G-20. On my bucket list, tho!

      Currently curious about .22 LR conversion for the 1911: unlike most other people, still have about 3500 rounds of .22 lying around and no more Ruger 10-22 to use it up on! Seen conversion prices around $200-$220… but then there’s that Chiappa 1911 .22 out there for not much more… damn… decisions, decisions!

  25. Been carrying a 1911, series 70 for past 6 months now… quite happily, in fact. Using a Blackhawk reinforced leather belt and either my Crossbreed holster or Don Hume, have yet to feel any discomfort at the end of the day. I’ve always been amused by the changing standards associated with concealed carry, when the significant factor about whether you’re truly “concealed” is always determined by the grip of the firearm… the bigger the grip, the more likely you’re going to ‘expose’. Yet I never fear that with my 1911 due to its slim profile.

    I used to be a Glock fan… still am, to some extent, I suppose, but I no longer carry a Glock, simply because I hide the 1911 a lot easier… (I’m 5′ 11″, 140 lbs., so I’m not hiding things all that easy to begin with!)

    And, as an NRA RSO, I appreciate the safety features of the 1911. Glocks can be great competition guns (especially for IDPA), yet when you lighten the trigger for competition, you almost eliminate that gun for CCW purposes… but I feel quite comfortable with the 4 lb. trigger on my .45.

  26. @ Martin Pierce.

    I saw a REAL NICE looking, .Colt 1911BSM, British Service Model 455Webley for sale. But, at $2,950. USD. a little too much GREEN for me.

  27. Arn’t Public and Private facilities required to follow the Federal Law policy on reasonable access to the Handicapped? to necessary areas when needed.

    1. @ Martin Pierce.

      In theory, YES. In practice NO. Example, Near where i live theirs a hospital that I have to go too, for Wound Therapy. The Hospital site, sits on top of a hill, approximately 100-meter away, at the bottom of the hill is the parking lot. In order for me to get too the hospital, I have to propel my 240-pound mass and my 16-pound, Wheelchair us a 40-degree Upward Slop. By the time I get up the hill, at the very least 45-minutes has passed and I Drop-Dead of a Heart-Attack Tired. And then sit in the lobby area, either to regenerate my strength, or wait for an available Human Transporter. To take me the rest of the way to my destination. After, Wound Center Therapy, I then reverse the procedure and try not too burn-out my leather gloves. Trying to brake going down the same hill. I probably go through 100-pair of Leather-Palmed Carpenter’s Gloves per year.

    2. Hmmm, sounds like you’re describing the VA hospital in Muskogee… sits on a steep hill and if you don’t get there at 07:00 am, you have that steep hill to climb. But: they just started a “valet” service a few months back. Pull up to main entrance and they’ll park your car in a roped-off lot. Just avoid afternoon appointments: valet parking is always full-up in the p.m.! Go figure!

    3. @ JMass_M14.

      It is a VA Hospital of sorts, Not the Veterans Administration Hospital types, but, the State of Virginia types. I keep thinking about the Architects that are sitting around the conference table. Asking themselves, but not each other, about what they overlooked. and not saying anything, because it might make them look like fools. Then building the hospital, and with that still nagging question, in the back of their collective minds. Say, what did I overlook. Then watching the first patient being wheeled in, in a wheelchair. Then looking dumbfounded, and then saying out loud like a church choir, in unison, THE HANDICAPPED!!! Then having to scramble, too make their hospital Handicap Friendly.

  28. Darn Shame! He just missed the civil War by not that much. He could of had a Field Day, and it wouldn’t have cost him an “Arm and a Leg” either.

    1. @ Martin Pierce.

      Yeah, I wanted to sit on the roof of the 20-story tall apartment building next to me. And watch in through my high-powered binoculars, but my wheelchair wouldn’t go up through the stair well. Then, i decided to watch in on TV, but, like with the 30-Million Man March, last May of 2014, Nothing.

      I wish too hell Subscription Management for The Shooter’s Log, would just update for me!!!

  29. Thats OK. I think the Suns” about ready to come up here. Stick a fork in me too because I think Im done here now till next time.

  30. Theres’ an old Tom Sellick movie with the Kiss guy Jean Simmons that it portrayed such a smart bullet that Terriorists had in that futureistic movie. I have it somewhere. Most things portrayed in movie seem absurd at the time but end up being reality later.

    1. @ Martin Pierce.

      Yeah, I rember that movie too, and was thing about when I was talking too her, too. Got get of now.

  31. 10 mm is my persuasion in a Glock Mod. 20. Same bullets and wts. but a .25″ longer case=a nice better edge. Little more Kick. L. B. Ca. police are back to the .45 now after years of the 9mm.

  32. At Ammo Btos. on Piuma St. off of Alondra Ave. in I believe Downey, Ca. Was just there today while the wife stocked up on her E-Cig stuff next door.

    1. @ Martin Pierce.

      Robert Liston, 28 October 1794 to 7 December 1847. Famous Scottish Surgeon invented the Liston Amputation Knife, and said to be able to remove a 250-pound mans leg at the thigh in 2-1/2-minutes flat. See your wife has an incentive and a time-record, to break. HA, HA???

  33. Been talking about caseless ammo for years now. Haven’t seen anything in retail yet. What about the reloading industry. That would kind of Kill that. I can see it for military though. They have been working on that stuff for years and not about to tell us anyway.

    1. @ Martin Pierce.

      Had a talk earlier with some Chick, who couldn’t wait to get her hand on the new .50-caliber (12.7×167.64mm) Smart round. I told her that their was going to be noway in hell, she was ever going to get her hand on it. Their going to guard it like it was a Nuclear Weapon. The perfect Assignation Round,. Make Body Armor obsolete and Personal Bodyguards and the Secret Service, a total useless protection service.
      Your looking at the $1-Million Dollar for 1-round, round. And they would have to totally redesign the Barrett Rifle, just to fire it, I mean 6.6-inch long round w/o the cartridge.

  34. She leaves the sharp knives with the Blades sticking up in the Dish Rack all the time. Its an Alert and Reaction Test. Like stepping over the Black dog in a Black room in the middle of the night. Its second nature now.

  35. I’m sure you are right. I’m old and Senile I guess. When they both came @ the same time in the middle of the day when the wife was Home I had to Quickly throw them behind the Avocado Tree by our porch before she saw them as she was just getting ready to haul out for Bingo!–FEW!. Just made it with a smile as I told her Good Luck @ Bingo. Secertly to me I said “Pay for My Shirt and Coat”as she was leaving.

  36. Defently get the V Neck Shirt/ or Shirts. I keep the T-type shirt in the Coat pocket so I don’t lose or Mis-place it. The wife said “What is this $140.00 charge on the card?” I said, “Necessities”.

    1. @ Martin Pierce.

      I don’t know. You know what the say about sharp knives in the hands of wives.. Talk about acute Metal Poisoning.

  37. Not familar with it, but I will go on a QUEST to find out. I’ll put on my Shiny Armour and ride off into the unknown with my White Silver Steed.

    1. @ Martin Pierce.

      My thinking is, that might be some kind of new DARPA-Military Prototype Pistol with possibly a caseless round. That would be a quantum leap for the armaments industries.

  38. @ Martin Pierce.

    I just wondering, weather or not you might of heard about the nen .455-caliber (11.557×36.3mm) round and pistol. I understand it hits harder ther the .50AE (12.7x33mm) round. I’m still looking through the internet, but haven’t been able too find it. Either the Gun or the Cartridge. It’s one hell of a mystery.

  39. I bought a concealment coat and a Spandex concealment shirt @ Amazon. The Coat and the shirt both have shoulder holster type pockets with safety straps on both sides plus a cell phone pocket and a accessory pocket for a folding knife or other. As I recall , the coat also has a Ipad pocket? The coat is too obvious in So, Cal. this time of year, but the shirt is cool and comfortable to wear all day and night long. Nothing is visible under a baggy hawaiian shirt. I have a slight belly bulge but I dont have to hold my wings out to cool off like a bird. $80.00 for the coat, $40.00 for the shirt. Black or White in most sizes. There stock varies from time to time. They also have a elastic back support brace with a heavy Auto pocket on the back Right or Left Handed Check it out on The Internet is the Greatest Thing since Nylon Stockings for Women and Condoms.

    1. @ Martin Pierce.

      The Amazon Shirts sound great, but, the coat would just get in the way. Having to sit in a Wheelchair, all day . Especially, in the Northern Virginia/Washington, DC. heat and humidity.

  40. I bought a concealment coat from Amazon and a Spandex consealment shirt also @ the same time. They both have dual Pistol shoulder holster type pockets with safety straps and a cell phone pocket and an accessory pocket for a folding knife. To Hot, To obvious for the coat in SO. CAL. now , but the shirt is cool to wear all day and nothing is seen under a baggy Hawaiian Shirt. I have a slight belly hump, but I don’t have to hold my wings out to cool off like a bird. Check it out on

    1. @ Martin Pierce.

      Just out of curiosity, was was Amazon’s price for the Tactical Holster Shirts. Because Cabela , has both the sleeved and sleeveless for $74.99 USD.

  41. Some of my Glock Mod. 20 mags have been loaded for years with reloads and they still crank them out as usual.

  42. Counter salesman, employees ; in any are like car salesman, throw out BS in bucket fulls. The need to feel important and enlightened. Never heard such a comment in 40 yrs. myself. So , if I shoot someone with a cast Lead Bullet and He/They dont die. Then 30 yrs. from now the Lead Poisoning will kill them. Hit them with my Truck and the battery flies out and nails them.

    1. @ Martin Pierce.

      So let me get this right, if I can? He either dies by Long-Term Lead Poisoning. Or, Sudden Steel Impact Absorption, through Inertia Death. Or, Sudden Acute Lead-Acid Poisoning. Or, the combination of all three. Well, its, one hell of a way to go. There got to be easier ways too die.

  43. I have a series ’70 government from 1972 and never have replaced a recoil spring or ever broke one. It must be the guide rod enertia dampener that saves the recoil spring. Although, I have extras somewhere?, like mag. springs but never used one

  44. Bob Campbell is so right, those that are willing to engage in a high level of training & practice the 1911 platform is the best choice. I have talked with a few young guys who are in law enforcement, and they have a phrase talking about the thumb safety that I don’t remember … sounds like so much B.S. to me.

    I have an emotional attachment to this platform remembering my family members from ww1, @ Korea, that I as a kid saw it in good hands of my older Brother & Dad in his stored belongings after he passed, they no longer practiced with it, obviously lost their skill sets, they still had the old War Horses around safely stowed away. I was too young and small to handle the platform, but remembered seeing them. They sold them, wish I had them today, but I have a custom Commander length and a few others for my work as a private armed security officer. One is a 2011 so I guess I’m part of the new wave. It is a work horse and very accurate for a Officers Length. I suggest going with a heavy +P for that shorter length, and replace the recoil springs after 500 rounds.

  45. I legally carry a full sized 1911 .45 ACP using an Alien Gear IWB holster daily. If I’m up, its on, and I’m a T shirt and shorts wearing person. Is it concealable? Definitely!! Had a conversation with a police officer at a local car show and never once had the question come up asking if I was carrying. I prefer the 1911 for self defense, because I know when I pull the trigger it’s going to make a loud bang…

  46. I kept waiting for that compressed spring idea to show up on Myth Busters but have either missed it or they never covered it. Having carried a 1911
    both in the US Army and as a police officer I never had a round fail to feed. I switched to S&W to get double action and eliminate constant comments from observers, “Did you know your pistol was cocked?”.

    Never went to 4 rounds either but then I usually empty the mag at least once a month. Anyone heard much about FBI regs regarding ammo? One gunshop employee just wanted to argue and argue that if I shot an intruder (dead) a big deal would be made if the ammo was reloads or FBI approved? Thanks, Thor

    1. @ Thor.

      You might try looking us some Russian/English Websites. The ex-Soviet Union/Russian Federation (Oxymoron), have been using Compressed Spring technology, for at least the last 50-years, or so.

  47. Depending on your situational needs I’ve found the 1911 in the 45 ACP to be the answer for personal security. From my experience in the Marine Corps in the 60’s I hated the thing, but mine has been customized to me and now I like it. It’s not light, nor is it a little weapon that’s easy to conceal but when needed it you know that the odds are going to be in your favor that it will do the job.

    A friend carries a hammerless sub compact 38 special designed for concealment. He let me shoot it and it’s no pleasure, but then he says that not why he carries it.

    Where I live in Southern California conceal carry is very difficult to get approved by the local sheriff’s office unless you can prove that you frequently carry jewels or large amounts of cash. Hopefully, that will soon be a thing of the past. Although we have an attorney general and an administration that deludes itself into thinking we don’t need anything but a phone for self defense.

    What I’m going to say next may start an argument; but for the sake of simplicity, I think I’d rather carry a revolver. When I got my 1911, home protection was one of the main reasons. On my own, I worried about the effect it would have on the magazine spring being constantly compressed, weakening? Our rang coach agreed and suggested we only keep four rounds in it or purchase a revolver, which we did.

    Our 357 revolver is no light weight and carrying and concealing it wouldn’t be easy. Hiding it and an extra speed loader would be even more obvious than my 1911. We’ve purchased custom leather holsters for all of our pistols but the 22’s and those are just as big and heavy as the larger calibers. Our holsters are made for comfort and utility not concealment. I think I’d have to be wearing a big jacket to be able to hide the 357. The 1911 is thinner and I would think easier to conceal if that was the point. Frankly, I’d rather people see it.

  48. 1911 45 ACP is not a light weapon to carry or handle. Individuals with more muscular upper body strength have a better advantage with this weapon. Lighter framed individuals seem to shy away from the heavier weight and recoil being unable, even with extensive practice, to control the aim for a twofer. Though a exceptional weapon, literally in all aspects, the weight and barrel length of the original standard overwhelmed many a shooter.

    Now on another SORE subject…..just where the heck is all my 22 ammo going??? Where is it!!!!! Can’t help but think that the “Mental Health Posterboy” Joe Biden-my -time until another breakdown admission, has something to do with this shortage. He is probably using his office clout and extensive hands on experience to steer manufactures to produce more shotgun shells for home defense needs?? ( Satire ).

    All humor aside…where is the 22 ammo?????????

  49. I’m not a 1911 fan nor am I a 45 fan. .40 cal is my bullet of choice. That might be because I have not spent a lot of time with 45s or the 1911 platform. I will say that the 45s I have shot seem to have considerably less muzzle flip then my .40s but 40s are just plain flippy. I never really cared for the cock and lock thing with 1911s but maybe it’s time to give a good 1911 a real trial and add it to the collection.

    1. Mc Ruger, Don’t skimp….buy a Colt 1911. A very wise investment.
      I have a Colt Government 1911 in stainless steel !

  50. @ Martin Pierce.

    US. made stainless steel may be different in the manufacturing process. I think, but not 100% sure, they treat the metal with an anti-static chemical or varnish, or even possibly Clear-Coat them. In the tumbling process after stamping them.

  51. I thought it was because of possible hot embers from the previous ignition of the Black Powder. Brass was easy to work and liter than IRON. I dont believe steel tech had evolved enough then. They would always swab the barrel with a damp rod so as to extenguish any hot embers?. Maybe?. I’m getting Radiation burn from my cheap sylvania 32″ monitor/tv. I have to go drink a Jim Beam cocktail with Iodine and Ice in some Tonic Water

  52. @ Martin Pierce.

    If you have too get .45ACP. Get either Stainless Steel or Brass Cartridges. Russian made steel cartridges are made from stamped steel and not, stainless. Brass, I think are still better and safer, but steel is easier to produce in mass quantities. The reason is “Static Electricity”, the reason 17th/18th/19th-century Naval Ships lined their “Shot Lockers/Magazines” in brass. Was to reduce accidental explosions aboard ships, because of Static Electricity build-up,. Just thought you might like too know, for your own Piece-Of-Mind and Safety. If you plan to storage ammunition aboard a boat for any length of time, Either line your Storage Locker with Brass Foil or get/make a “Faraday Cage”. Or you can get an Anti-Static Storage Device, for companies that specialize in sell Electronic Devices (example Radio Shack). The reason I mention this, is because Salt-Water or Salt in general, has a Positive Electrical Charge.

  53. There is NO ammo shortage @ the factory. Lets see, aaaaaaaa!–12% of the population have guns (dont quote me). Handgun ammo used to be 50 to the box?–now its 20. Aaaaaa!, everybody has a car, but there is NO shortage of gasoline, or insurance companys willing to sell you Ins. Aaaaa!, groceries are expensive now, but there is NO shortage of Corn Flakes or Junk food. There is No shortage of Presidential Candates to run for office. But not enough people to elect the Right one. Fill in your answer in the Blank space–____________________.

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