Ammunition

6.5 Grendel vs 308

6.5 Grendel vs .308 Win rifles and ammo on display at the range

If you’re looking for a reliable hunting and distance shooting round for an AR-platform rifle, the 6.5 Grendel and the .308 Winchester should be on your list.

Initially, these cartridges seem vastly different. Why bother comparing two rounds that are so dissimilar in size and weight? For many reasons.

To begin, both of these rounds are fired from the popular AR platform. For the 6.5 Grendel, the typical rifle is an AR-15, while the .308 is the ubiquitous round for the larger AR-10.

Most hunters and shooters are familiar with the .308 Winchester. It is, after all, a classic American round with a heritage dating back to the 1950s. The 6.5 Grendel, on the other hand, is less familiar; casual shooters and hunters may not have been introduced to this cartridge. (Even though it dates back to 2003.)

Classic .308 or Modern 6.5? Making the Choice

Now that we understand the performance capabilities, we can clearly identify the advantages of each cartridge…

Advantages of the 6.5 Grendel:

  • Lighter recoil increases the chances of comfortable and accurate shooting.
  • Smaller, lighter bullets are better for varmint and coyote, especially when preserving pelts.

Advantages of the .308 Winchester:

  • Wider, heavier bullets makes it a more capable deer cartridge.
  • Excellent downrange energies create superior terminal ballistics.
  • A readily available round with numerous product options.
  • 6.5 Grendel vs .308 Winchester: First Impressions

Size, Shape, Weight, and Other Physical Differences

6.5 Grendel

.308 Winchester

Bullet Diameter

0.264 inches

0.308 inches

Neck Diameter

0.293 inches

0.3433 inches

Base Diameter

0.439 inches

0.4728 inches

Case Length

1.52 inches

2.015 inches

Overall Length

2.26 inches

2.8 inches

Bullet Weights

90 - 130 grains

110 - 185 grains

Typical Firearm

AR-15 semiautomatic rifles

AR-10 and some bolt-action rifles

There are clear size, shape, and weight differences between the two. While the bullet diameters are different, the most visible physical difference is the overall length. (And, for that matter, case length.) Hold the two rounds in your hand and it’s easy to see the difference; the .308 is clearly longer and has a thicker case.

It also has a wider caliber, which allows it to pack heavier projectiles. The 6.5 Grendel maxes out at 130 grains, while the .308 starts around 110 and goes as high as 185 for typical products. If you can find them, there are even some 260-grain .308 rounds, but these are rare.

Market Conditions: Pricing and Availability

6.5 Grendel ammunition next to 308 Win ammo
6.5 Grendel ammunition (left) displayed next to 308 Win ammo (right)

For pricing, these rounds are fairly similar. Currently (prices are always changing), both of these rounds cost about $0.80 to $0.90 per round for high-volume FMJ ammo. Users can easily spend $1.50 to $2.00 per shot on either cartridge, although the .308 has options as elite hunting rounds costing $3.00 per boom.

.308 ammo is a long-established cartridge with more options for users. When this article was written, we carried 13 options for 6.5 Grendel ammo. At the same time, we carried 84 choices for .308 Winchester. You’ll see this same trend on store shelves and other online stores. Your nearest ammo shelf will likely have a smattering of .308 options; whether or not they carry the Grendel is less certain.

6.5 Grendel vs .308 Win: Performance!

The author firing a 6.5 Grendel rifle off a benchrest at the range.
The author firing an AR-10 .308 Win rifle off a benchrest at the range.

What ultimately matters to users is performance. To identify the performance characteristics of these two rounds, we selected five products from each cartridge. We purposefully chose light, medium, and heavy loads from each cartridge, giving us a clear picture of the overall performance capabilities.

To start, let’s see how they fared for velocity…

Velocity

6.5 Grendel

Muzzle (fps)

100

200

300

400

500

90-grain Varmageddon (Nosler)

2,800

2,549

2,311

2,086

1,874

1,677

100-grain ELD-VT V-Match (Hornady)

2,730

2,531

2,340

2,158

1,984

1,819

115-grain TAC-TX BT (Barnes)

2,590

2,367

2,155

1,954

1,765

1,590

120-grain Fusion MSR (Federal)

2,600

2,346

2,107

1,881

1,674

1,485

130-grain Premier Match (Remington)

2,400

2,251

2,108

1,969

1,836

1,711

AVERAGE

2,624

2,409

2,204

2,010

1,827

1,656

.308 Winchester

Muzzle (fps)

100

200

300

400

500

110-grain FB Tipped Varmageddon (Nosler)

3,150

2,818

2,510

2,222

1,953

1,706

130-grain VOR-TX TTSX BT (Barnes)

3,125

2,848

2,587

2,341

2,109

1,890

150-grain InterLock SP (Hornady)

2,820

2,561

2,316

2,085

1,868

1,667

165-grain Exergy Blue (Sellier & Bellot)

2,720

2,493

2,276

2,071

1,877

N/A

180-grain Fusion Bonded SP (Federal)

2,600

2,427

2,260

2,101

1,947

1,801

AVERAGE

2,883

2,629

2,390

2,164

1,951

1,766

An Ar-style 6.5 Grendel rifle with Nosler ammunition
An AR-style 6.5 Grendel rifle with Nosler ammunition.

Although the .308 packs heavier bullets (which often translates to slower speeds), the larger case launches the projectiles with greater velocity. At the muzzle, the difference is (on average) about 220 fps; by 500 yards the difference has narrowed to 100 fps, a possible sign of the 6.5 Grendel’s efficiency and ballistic coefficient.

If you want high muzzle speeds, light .308 rounds are the top choice. But downrange, heavier rounds maintain higher speeds.

To see how each cartridge stacks up to the advertised velocities, we fired a five shot string of each. For .308, we used an AR-10 with an 18″ barrel and for the Grendel, we used an AR-style rifle with 16″ barrel. Note: we realize the barrel lengths don’t make this a “fair” comparison but it does allow you to see what sort of velocities you can expect in a “real word” rifle rather than the 24″ barrels used in manufacturer data.

.308 - Winchester 147 Grain FMJ

6.5 Grendel - Nosler 129 Grain ABLR

First Round

2,648 fps

2,276 fps

Second Round

2,630 fps

2,255 fps

Third Round

2,632 fps

2,248 fps

Fourth Round

2,628 fps

2,252 fps

Fifth Round

2,636 fps

2,242 fps

As you can see, the 6.5 Grendel holds its own, but often lags behind the .308 in terms of velocity.

Energy

6.5 Grendel

Muzzle (ft-lbs)

100

200

300

400

500

90-grain Varmageddon(Nosler)

1,567

1,298

1,067

869

702

562

100-grainELD-VT V-Match(Hornady)

1,655

1,422

1,216

1,034

874

735

115-grain TAC-TX BT(Barnes)

1,713

1,431

1,186

975

796

646

120-grainFusion MSR(Federal)

1,801

1,467

1,183

943

747

588

130-grain Premier Match(Remington)

1,663

1,463

1,282

1,119

973

845

AVERAGE

1,680

1,416

1,187

988

818

672

.308 Winchester

Muzzle (ft-lbs)

100

200

300

400

500

110-grain FB Tipped Varmageddon (Nosler)

2,423

1,939

1,538

1,206

932

711

130-grainVOR-TX TTSX BT(Barnes)

2,820

2,342

1,933

1,583

1,284

1,032

150-grainInterLock SP(Hornady)

2,649

2,148

1,787

1,448

1,162

925

165-grainExergy Blue(Sellier & Bellot)

2,710

2,276

1,898

1,572

1,291

N/A

180-grain Fusion Bonded SP(Federal)

2,702

2,354

2,042

1,763

1,515

1,296

AVERAGE

2,661

2,212

1,840

1,514

1,237

991

With slightly faster speeds and heavier bullets, the average energy of the .308 is significantly higher than the 6.5 Grendel. The velocities were close, but the .308 takes a resounding victory in overall power.

The most powerful Grendel logs a muzzle energy of 1,801 ft-lbs, while the weakest .308 Winchester sits at 2,423 ft-lbs. The difference in muzzle averages is about 1,000 ft-lbs, although the gap is narrowed downrange.

Trajectory

6.5 Grendel

200

300

400

500

90-grain Varmageddon(Nosler)

0

-9

-25

-51

100-grainELD-VT V-Match(Hornady)

0

-8

-24

-49

115-grain TAC-TX BT(Barnes)

0

-10

-29

-59

120-grainFusion MSR(Federal)

0

-10

-31

-63

130-grain Premier Match(Remington)

0

-10

-30

-60

AVERAGE

0

-9

-28

-56

.308 Winchester

200

300

400

500

110-grain FB Tipped Varmageddon (Nosler)

0

-7

-21

-44

130-grainVOR-TX TTSX BT(Barnes)

0

-7

-20

-40

150-grainInterLock SP(Hornady)

0

-8

-25

-51

180-grain Fusion Bonded SP(Federal)

0

-9

-26

-52

AVERAGE

0

-8

-23

-47

Again we see a slight victory for the .308 Winchester. It shows less drop, although practiced shooters can easily make up the difference of a couple of inches. The lighter 6.5 Grendel rounds showed similar numbers, and there was plenty of overlap. Frankly, when comparing the Grendel and the .308, trajectory won’t be a driving factor in your decision.

Note: We left off the 165-grain Sellier & Bellot product, as the manufacturer does not provide zeroed-to-200-yards trajectory data.

Classic or Modern, We Have the Ammo You Need

Whether you need classic .308 Winchester ammo or you load the modern 6.5 Grendel, you’ll find the ammo you need right here. Visit our site and place your order for high-quality rounds at a price that won’t empty your bank account!

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Comments (5)

  1. Interesting article.
    2 cartridges so different yet so similar, in that both are good long range shooters, although .308 is definitely a good big game-getter, so is the Grendel, when it comes to reaching out there accurately.
    MY AR Grendel got a bit heavy with a fancy stainless 22″ bbl and 6-18 50mm scope, so it’s used mostly from stands or target, and VERY fun to shoot, and definitely will take smaller deer and varmints with amazing results.
    I’ve tried heavier bullets, but it likes 100-120gr boat-tails best.
    .308’s?
    Got a bunch of them so I won’t bore you.
    I will say that I really LIKE them, or else I wouldn’t own them!

  2. Note: we realize the barrel lengths don’t make this a “fair” comparison

    So why spend all this effort on an unfair comparison?
    Barrel length is known to be the overriding factor in 6.5 Grendel performance. To just grab the first Grendel rifle you find and shove it into this test is disingenuous. Using a 6.5 Grendel with a 20″ barrel would have made this “test” a lot more helpful and informative. Efforts wasted

    1. With equal barrel lengths like in the larger velocity table above — the .308 is ~15-30% faster. Those values are manufacturer reported though and not necessarily equivalent of what shooters with AR-style rifles might encounter in the “real world.” That’s why we included the Grendel and .308 Win values from our chrony at the range with shorter barrel, AR-style rifles. Hornady tests their 6.5 Grendel ammo with a 24″ barrel and most shooters we know don’t use a barrel of that length — they prefer an 18″ or 16″ barrel.

  3. I have a .270 that I have used to take deer and elk. My rifle is a Remington Model 721 that was made in 1952. I have shot groups that were between ⅝” to ¾” at 100 yds. I would be hard pressed to find a newer rifle that anyone could guarantee would shoot better than this one.
    Shooting Hornady 145 gr ELD‑X® Precision Hunter, my rifle is pushing that round at 2970 fps with a ME of 2840 ft/lbs. Using a 250 yd zero, the highest point above line of sight (2.7”) is @ 150 yds. At 300 yd, I am hitting 3.3” below. At 400 yds, it will be 14.4” below and at 500 yds, it will be 32” below. My eyes cannot see that well beyond 300-350 yds, even with a 12X scope so I generally do not take those shots anymore, though I have killed deer at ranges in excess of 400 yds several decades ago.

    Keeping my shots at no more than 300 yds, this round will perform better than the .308 using Hornady 150-grainInterLock SP which has a drop of 8” at 300 yds.
    My point in all of this is, why would I spend money I do not have (I am retired, disabled and on a fixed income) to buy a rifle that will not meet the expectations I have come to expect in the deer rifle I have had for decades.

    I have an AR, but I see no reason to buy an upper in any caliber that I would have to spend even more money on ammo, (There is no cheap ammo anymore) just to figure out IF it will work for me. The only upper I can see buying would be one in 7.62X39 because I have probably close to a thousand rounds of that in FMJ and JHP. But even that upper costs more than I am willing to spend. I have hundreds of rounds of .223 and 5.56 so I am good there.

    I just had open heart surgery in July and my wife is beginning cancer radiation treatment after having lumpectomy surgery also in July. Most of my fixed income will be going to pay those bills and copays. I will stick with the guns I have. No need to buy a fancy, latest, and greatest when I have excellent shooters already.

  4. We hunt from a stand so lugging the AR around is no issue. The 6.5 Grendel shooting 123 SST Hornady ammo is an efficent white tail round. Have taken several with this set up.

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