Ammunition

8mm—The World’s Most Underrated Rifle Cartridge

3 Tan boxes of Hornaday 8mm cartridges with red and black lettering stacked on top of each other, with 7 cartridges lying aroud the boxes on a white background

A while ago, I read and enjoyed an article by a fellow who grew up in Africa. His dad worked an outdoor job in a wildlife park and occasionally had to cull animal herds. Now, the African Big Five are a dream to a Southern boy like me, although boar, deer and small game are quite a challenge. The author told how his father did the business with the only rifle he owned, a Mauser 98 in 8mm Mauser caliber.

Black Mauser Yugo, old and still usable, on a white background
This old Yugo has plenty of life left.

He even dropped an elephant with a certain aim and cranial shots. I find such reports most interesting and a cause to break out the old Yugo 48 and look it over again. The Mauser 98 was a very good rifle, and my personal Yugo is generally held to be among the best of the breed.

Mauser Military History

Black (Top) A Chang Kai Shek Mauser and (bottom) the 8mm Yugo on a white background
(Top) A Chang Kai Shek Mauser and (bottom) the 8mm Yugo. Keep them shooting with good-quality, modern ammunition.

It is no secret among historians that American military men admire the Mauser 98, which so greatly influenced our own Springfield 1903A3 rifle. The ’06 rifle is largely derivative of the Mauser. One of the most influential rifles of all time, the turn-bolt Mauser was a sensation when first introduced.

While American shooters do not mind admitting that the Springfield is based on the Mauser, they stop short of admiring the 8mm cartridge. Just the same, the 8mm Mauser (8 x 57mm) is a formidable cartridge with much to recommend. This piqued my curiosity, so I took a hard look at the 8mm/Mauser combination.

Cutaway of the inside of the Interlok bullet
The Interlok bullet is a good choice for the powerful 8mm Mauser rifle.

The original 8mm cartridge, like so many of the era, was a heavy-for-the-caliber, round-nose bullet, just more than 220-grains at about 2050 fps. It was faster than the previous 11mm black-powder service cartridges although far below the potential of the cartridge. Bore diameter was similar to the .303 British.

The .303 likely influenced our own .30-40 Krag, and the 7.7mm Japanese cartridge is simply a copy of the .303, except in exact dimensions. However, the Boer War and our Spanish-American War gave us a start when Anglo-Saxon troops faced the 7x57mm Mauser cartridge. Flat shooting and deadly efficient, especially with the fast-loading stripper clips, the Mauser was superior to the Krag and Lee Enfield rifles.

The Mauser rifle featured a very strong bolt, a controlled feed action that has not been bested to this day and good accuracy. Our new service rifle would be based on the Mauser. Meanwhile, German engineers perfected the Spitzchoss or Spitzer bullet. That lighter, pointed bullet proved superior at long-range to anything then available.

We aborted the .30-03 program largely as a result of our knowledge of German developments and adopted the .30-06 with its Spitzer bullet. As it turned out, the rifles were similar, and so were the cartridges. The Springfield had an advantage with its superior sights, otherwise, the rifles were quite similar. The Mauser survived two World Wars and produced in sufficient quantity that today we still find unissued rifles available at modest prices.

Mauser Ammunition Types

That leads us to a discussion of Mauser rifle ammunition. There are two diameters of 8mm rifles, the .318-inch bore and the .323. The Army adopted the .323 as the superior diameter, and sporting rifles were available in Germany in the original diameter for many years. Some thought the original diameter was more accurate. I have no comment on that because I have never fired one of the original types.

Yellow box of Remington 8mm ammo with black lettering and 2 cartridges in front of the box
California has become the first state to enact a statewide ban on using lead ammo for hunting.

German ammunition came in J and S bore, clearly marked. Since Americans are less conversant with the differences in Mauser rifle barrels, American companies took steps to produce ammunition that is safe in either. If you fire a Winchester commercial 180-grain JSP, which is .323 diameter in the original .318 bore, it will not blow the rifle. It does require low pressure to maintain safety.

The average 8mm Mauser load is perhaps 2200 fps, which is about 500 fps below the 8mm’s potential. There are foreign loads loaded to the original specification, although they do not use a highly developed JSP bullet as the American loads may. Naturally, the only good choice was handloading.

Bullet selection is limited in the caliber, and I have experience with just a few. Hornady produces a good 8mm bullet, and there are a few others. The Matrix bullet gives good results not only in 8mm and in the more common .308.

When I may find the exact components I desire, my personal go-anywhere, do-anything load is a 150-grain 8mm Sierra bullet with more than 56.0 grains of Winchester 748 powder for 2800 fps. That is a good long-range load with plenty of power for North American game.

3 Tan boxes of Hornaday 8mm cartridges with red and black lettering stacked on top of each other, with 7 cartridges lying aroud the boxes on a white background
Hornady offers first-class ammunition in calibers that were once difficult to find.

It is difficult to get a handle on accuracy potential with the original iron-sighted military rifle, yet I have managed several exceptional 2-inch, 100-yard groups with my personal handloads and about 2.4 inches with the Winchester factory load. I also have fired smaller groups in custom-grade, optical-sighted rifles.

Surplus full-metal-jacketed bullet loads are often corrosive primed, and they are affordable. Those loads usually average 3 inches to 4 inches at 100 yards—not tack-driving accurate and accurate enough for informal shooting and getting the hang of the rifle.

Proper Alignment for Accuracy

Focus on Mauser sights on a gray background
Original Mauser sights are accurate when properly understood.

The sights of the 98 are not ideal even though they offer a degree of precision when properly aligned. Keep the front post in focus and maintain a consistent sight picture, and you are in like Flynn. After firing the 8mm extensively, my impression of the (full-power) 8mm is different from that of some who have criticized it.

The 8 x 57mm Mauser equals the .30-06 in power and practical accuracy from military firearms. A drawback in practical use is the scarcity of factory loads and full-power loads using well-developed expanding bullets. Versatility is not the long suit.

If one of the many high-dollar, scope-mounted rifles I hunt with suffers a fall and cracks the scope or otherwise fails, I have something on which to rely. The 8mm is just a silly millimeter larger than we are used to, and it is a heck of a cartridge.

8mm Recommendations

Today the situation has changed considerably concerning the 8mm cartridge. If you want a few rounds to use in pleasant target practice, then Cheaper Than Dirt! offers surplus the 8mm Romanian at a fair price. Another good choice, accurate and clean, is the Prvi Partizan 8mm loading. A traditional hunting load, mild enough for even a Chang Kai Shek Mauser, is the Remington 170 grain Cor Lokt.

Tan box of Hornaday 8mm cartridges with red and black lettering on a white background
Hornady offers a smashing good 8mm load.

Hornady two in this caliber, something of an accomplishment for the respected maker. The 196-grain Traditional load really makes the Mauser walk the walk it should. There are quite a few scoped custom rifles that should be in the field with that loading. The 195-grain Interlok is another excellent choice.

Things have never looked better for the Mauser rifle and the 8mm cartridge.

 Do you have a Mauser or use the 8mm? Share your experiences in the comments section.

About the Author:

Bob Campbell

Bob Campbell’s primary qualification is a lifelong love of firearms, writing, and scholarship. He holds a degree in Criminal Justice but is an autodidact in matters important to his readers. Campbell considers unarmed skills the first line of defense and the handgun the last resort. (He gets it honest- his uncle Jerry Campbell is in the Boxer’s Hall of Fame.)

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Comments (210)

  1. He even took an elephant with the 8mm. LMAO. Many elephants were taken with less. There’s a reason the woolly mammoths(also pachyderms) are extinct. And we can all assume the homosapiens of ancient era had no firearms.lol Some authors are too funny.😂😆🤣

  2. He even took an elephant with the 8mm. LMAO. Many elephants were taken with less. There’s a reason the woolly mammoths are extinct. And we can all assume the homosapiens of ancient era had no firearms.lol Some authors are too funny.😂😆🤣

  3. 3038 fps with 198gr ppu of huskawrna rifle with good acurracy S@B brass cci BR2 sub zero temp.
    Takes 24moa to 1000.

  4. If you can find it, the Prvi Partizan Match Line, Match Grade ammo in the gold box is really excellent, otherwise the regular Prvi is fine and readily available, they also have a soft point version for hunting. This stuff is much better in a milsurp Mauser than Core-Lokt, which is only good if you have one of the 318 bore ones

  5. Mauser rifles are great. Large ring Mauser actions are something to behold. The 8mm projectile is very effective. Getting familiar with the German k98k is so much fun. So much that I ventured into a couple of 325wsm. Certainly a whole different level of performance. And definitely
    another proficient 8mm. The rem mag is another great cartridge. Were it not for the 30-06 the 8mm would likely be an even greater icon.

  6. I should also make it fairly clear that you can load almost any rifle powder from from old school Winchester748(?) Ball Powder to Rutombo and still get a fantastic hunting round. It was designed in a time that was just a forgiving design as is the 30-06. If we are just talking about hunting levels of accuracy you can really make this cartridge work well with just about any powder for a rifle cartridge. I have found that just like the 30-06 170gr-200gr.are insanely lethal to anything living in North America you might want to eat. If you get a rifle that will not shoot 170gr.-200gr. bullets they all seem to be able to shoot well with 150gr. bullets. Most rifles will either love the 150gr. bullets or the heavier bullets but you seldom find one that likes them all! Oh and with just iron sights if you get one that is new old stock or one that has been re-barreled with a NOS barrel you can ring a gong at 1000m with surplus ammo with out working to hard to hard to do it.

  7. I have a BRNO VZ24 Mauser sporterized with a Douglas barrel and a two stage trigger expertly built by Chris Helbig of Scotch Plains NJ and my father DR. Pallini. Truly a magnificent rifle it has taken countless deer in Beach Lake, PA and Milford, PA over the past 30 years, woodchucks, wild boar etc. Great gun, great round!

    1. Mine sat in an Argentine Warehouse from 60+ years next to the Atlantic Ocean. Replaced the Stock with a Polymer Stock with a New Steyr Look a New Arisaka Type 38 Barrel and a 20 round Trench Magazine. Authentic Replacement Parts can be obtained through Hakim of Egypt, which still produce 98k Mauser Rifles in German pattern.

  8. Ok so i have had an 8mm mauser forabout 2and a half years now. All i have ever run in it isold plus rounds… typicaly the k2 44 rounds k44 k43 k2 43 ect ect. Ive run across a few copper jacketed turkish lead core rounds. And the k “series rounds” are steel jackets on occasion they might be copper plated hhwever they all have tungsten carbide penetrators from what i kknow about metal and cutting them open with a grinder just out of curiosity. But my rifle has an outstanding bore rrifling and if when i pull the trigger andd the bullet goes off they are typically very accurate even though im very unsteady i can hit 75 yards very easily and i say that because i shot a small jar of tanerite wwith it once… tanerite is amazing btw. But i know these k series 8mm rounds to be capable of penetrating 5/8″ steel plate… mind you it was just mild carbon steel that i was shooting at but thats very impressive for those old rounds. ys before i ramble on forever about my rifle aand how much fun it is to shoot and how that round doesnt really kick too hard and ive shot 300rounds out of my rifle in a day without bruising aand ect ect ill leave you with this. The 8mm mauser is an amazing round and rifle. i can hang in with my friend and his .30-06 enfield anyday… however his sights are way better than tthe mausers sights for sure. And a thank you to the original poster for sharing links to the ammo and ggoing such a good job explaining the best use for each rounnd. Id love to know the difference between the different surplus rounds i have if you know anything about them:-)

    1. @ Bubba.

      Not CHEAP by Any Means? For “Tungsten Carbide Bullets”, try SGS Carbide Tool (UK) Ltd. in Wokingham, Berkshire, the UK. At Fax: +44 0118 9795295 or (sale@SGSTool.co.uk). And using a Either a RL-17 or RL-19 Reload ot Off-Set the Weight of the Tungsten Carbide Bullet. Try Considering attaching a 20-round Trench Magazine to the Rifle, Well Worth the Cost, If You Really Like Shooting the 98k…

    2. I have a Remington model 700 Limited Edition Rifle chambered in 8mm Mauser Improved that I reload for. Accuracy at 100 yards is outstanding, less than one inch groups, scoped. This 8mm cartridge the Europeans use is equivalent to us Americans preferring the 30-06. For hunting you can’t go wrong with either of the above cartridges and I have shot both and know this to be true. 8mm mauser has a lot of war history, just like the 30-06 used in our Garand that saw action during WW-II. I find shooting cartridges with specific unique history to be the most interesting to shoot. So don’t be afraid to acquire a rifle chambered in an odd caliber your not familiar with, research the history of the caliber and you may find yourself with a whole new shooting experience with a lot of history behind that shot your taking?

      E+R

    3. Hello, is that 8x57mm Ackley Improved (40° shoulder) or something else? What is your average velocity? With what grain bullet, powder, and primer used? Wanting to do the same, but not sure? I have 2 Yugo M48 and want to semi sporter 1 as it is in really bad shape. Inside of barrel is only part that is decent. Thanks

  9. I own a 1915 8mm Mauser made in Danzig. It was sporterzed by Interarms.I t has a Monte Carlo style stock with original sights.I have considered adding a scope but living in Upstate NY makes the iron sights a. Better choice.Hunting whitetail here in NY is mostly in the woods with shots under a 100 yards.The iron sights get on target fast and you never lose sight of the deer.I have bought and sold many rifles over the years but the Mauser stays.At 101 years old it is just getting broken in.

    1. People on here clearly don’t like to be corrected, take critisism, or even know what sarcasm is. I’ve explained and stated more than once the correct differences. Not once has anybody corrected me with the right information. Some people (or someone) on the other hand has. I find this quit ammusing. I think it’s sad really

  10. @ Justin.

    Really, and you STILL don’t know the difference between the 7.9×57 , 7.92×57 or the 8×57 Mauser Cartridges…

    1. That is not true my friend. If that IS what you really think! I feel sorry for you. Better part of 10+ years of research? Lmao

  11. One “Slight” Problem thou, the largest Cartridge either M48 (98k) will except is the 8x60S and the .30-06Sprnfld (7.62×63.3). Is a “Wee Bit” too long to fit into the Rifles Chamber Breech…

  12. @ Justin

    One “Slight” problem, the largest Cartridge the M48 (98k) will accept is the 8×60. And the .30-06 is 7.62×63.3, a “Wee Bit” too big to fit the Breech…

    1. I didn’t say anything about chambering a .30-06 Springfield “7.62×63.3” round in a Mauser 98 type bolt rifle. Unlike you. I have common sense and the brains not to chamber, or even attempt to fire a cartridge in a firearm other than what it is supposed to be chambered for. I wouldn’t even dream or think twice. Two different rifles.

  13. I have a M48 that was un-issued when it was given to me. At 100 meters with Turkish surplus ammo it will do 1-2 inch groups shooting prone. It shrinks to .50-1 inch groups with any high end ammo between 170gr-200gr. including hand loads. You get the random flyer that will toss an otherwise insanely pretty group into the very average category.

    I have a VZ24 that has been road hard and put away wet. It will keep 10 shots on a pie tin at 100 yards shooting standing with iron sights. That one has more pits in the bore than Michigan has pot-holes in the road. I think that rifle set me back $50 at a local sporting good store.

    I think that when talking about ranges under 300 meters the 8mm Mauser is just as deadly as the 338 Win Mag especially in weights 180gr and up!!! For 300 on up it is hard to guarantee expansion with heavier bullets.

    Less than stellar reputation due to all the old beat up and worn out guns shooting it. Combine that with the under powered factory ammo in the USA.

    I bought 2 new unissued Czech barrels from Sportsmans Guide dirt cheap a year or two ago that is hom much I like 8mm Mauser.

    1. @ John.

      Try AmmoGrab. com, While they don’t have any 7.92×57 or 8-mil, they do have .303 British (7.92×56.44mm/R). Close enough to Mauser Specifications, but only in 150 to 180-grain. Prices varies for 69-cents/round to $1.49/round, in CCI, Federal, Herter’s, Prvi Partizen and Sierra Ammunition. They sell Ammunition in BULK, so don’t let the word “Surplus” scare you…

    2. The 8mm Mauser has the same ballistics as .30-06 Springfield with 150gr bullets. I much rather prefer to fire THE original rimless bottle necked smokeless spitzer cartridge. I also handload so I can duplicate, or come close to C.I.P. Spec full charge factory loads like PPU 8x57mm IS labled (these are in fact loaded hotter than US marketed boxes labled just 8mm Mauser), Hertenburg, or S&B ammo. Don’t get me wrong. I do like the .30-06 Springfield for heaver bullets beyond 170gr for more powder capacity and velocity.

    3. €: Tim

      The Mauser in 8×57 uses IMR 4064 Propellant, first introduced in 1918 to replace “Cordite” Usual load is between 45 to 46 grain, maximum recommended load is 49 grains for barrel pressures of about 50,000psi. Any higher, rebarrel with an Arisaka Type 99 Short Barrel.

  14. @ Pete in Alaska.

    A couple more Rifles/Carbines to add to your collection:
    1. Sturmgewehr Stg. 45 kurz folding-stock Carbine in 7.92×33 kurz
    2. Gewehr k43(M) or (W) Semi-Automatic Rifle in 7.92×57

    Talk to you later, Sec…

  15. Just in case anyone is interested, the 8x60S “Spitzer-Point” or .323/8.2x60mm, actual. Has Great-Range and Good Penetration, and can be fired from the 7.92×57 98k Mauser. Available through Hornay and Graf and Sons.

    1. I’m interested in learning more about the 8x60mm S cartridge. Did you have to ream your chamber, or will it safely fire in 8x57mm IS chamber?

    2. @ Justin.

      No, the Standard Mauser 98k Rifle/Carbine or Yugo 24/47 works just fine. When the German’s manufactured the Rifle, they gave the Chamber a little “wiggle” room (not much, but some).

      The only Mauser Cartridge that I know for sure won’t fit, is the Swedish Mauser 8×63 Patrone m/32 (about the size of the .30-06/7.62×63.3). The 98k can be “Suppressed” with a HUB-23 Suppressor.

      The 8x57IS or IRS won’t work either, there “Two-Stage Surface Bearing Rounds” specifically designed for Hunting. And they have the Tendency to “Break In Two” when traveling through the barrel.

      The “IS” means German Hunting and the “IRS/JRS” German Rimmed Hunting”, the “I or J” is an International Identifier for German/Jerman (aka Jerri). I hope the information provided helps.

    3. Thanks, might have to try it out. You’re still incorrect about I, IS, IRS, S, and S.s. designations. As far as bullets go. If you have a .323 bore (IS or S)any bullet type will work. Don’t know where you keep coming from this “Two-Stage Surface Bearing Rounds” crap?

      Bullets used so far with no problems what so ever, all with accuracy, and the 150gr and 175gr devistating on whitetail deer with impressive terminal ballistics:

      Sierra 150gr Game King SPBT
      Hornady 150gr Interlock SP
      Hornady 170gr SST
      Turkish 154(3)gr Nickel FMJ
      PPU 175gr PSP-BT
      PPU 185gr PSP
      PPU 196gr PSP
      PPU 198gr FMJ-BT
      PPU 200gr FMJ-BT

      All fired from an Yugo m48 A. I do not fire surplus brass, berdan primers, or powder. The Turkish bullets were pulled from 1943 dated rounds. All other bullets new and handloaded into new PPU boxer primer cases. Once again do your research. If you handload which I dought you do. You would know this. Now you have “homework”!

    4. @ Justin.

      The Lutz-Moller 8x57IS or IRS (JRS) is an “Hour-Glass” shaped Bullet. Just Google the Lutz-Moller 8x57IRS online, and you’ll see what I’m talking about.

      It’s essentially Two-In-One Bullet Configuration. The Original design was for the Bullet to Hit the Target, then Break in Two, causing as much damage a possible to Kill the Animal. That’s why it’s called a “Two-Stage Surface Bearing Round”. FNH, has a 5.7×28 “Five-Stage Surface Bearing Round”.

      The problem with the 98k is the bullet catches the rifling in the barrel and then breaks in two before ever leaving the barrel. That’s why it’s not recommended for us with the Military Mauser 98k Rifle/Carbine.

      The Hunting Rifle has a Different Rifling Pattern inside the barrel. Also the IS or IRS, is limited to about 500-meters maximum range. Very Popular Round for Killing Large Animals, like Elephants.

    5. I just looked it up. Don’t know how in the right mind you came up with what you mentioned out of that is beyond me? How can you take one bullet design and assume that as the bases for every hunting bullet no matter the manufacturer? Thats just on bullet. Different rifling pattern? What a joke! No different than a brand new rifle.

    6. @ Justin.

      Fine Sir, I just provided the Information. What you do with that Information or whatever conclusions you come-up with are yours.

    7. Justin, I see “‘1 taco short of a combination plate” (1 ab urbe condita, or the other 4 or 5 aliases he has used to comment on this article) is up to the same old horsesh#$!
      He TRULY lives up to the phrase:
      “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullsh$%!”
      .
      My advice: stop trying to have a battle of wits with this unarmed person!

    8. RDS, I don’t think he even owns his yugo like he said he does! Like I said before “some better part of 10+ years of so called research?” Seems I know more about the 7,9mm Patrone m/88 (.318) or 7,9mm Patrone S and S.s (.323) cartridges more than he would ever comprehend. Lmao

    9. Just realized I made a mistake. Lol. The corrected designations: 7,9mm m/88 patrone (.318 round nose), 7.9mm s patrone (.323 spitzer), and 7.9mm s.S patrone (.323 heavy spitzer). CIP: 7.92x57mm I (Infantry), 7.92x57mm IS (Infantry Spitzer), and 7.92x57mm IRS (Infantry Rimmed Spitzer). SAAMI: 8x57mm J, 8x57mm JRS, 8x57mm JS, 8x57mm Mauser, or just 8mm Mauser. I’m sure someone will tell me I’m wrong, but there it is.

    10. I hate to do this, but I must otherwise I’m going to look like an idiot . Part of add/adhd is second guessing yourself. After doing my homework and research. I was right all along. It is in fact designated Patrone 7.9mm s.S (heavy ball 196-198gr fmjbt with cannelure for crimp).

    11. @ Justin.

      Try Australia, New Zealand, or South Africia. The 7.92×57 (8-mil) is a very popular round in those Countries.

    12. Thanks, but there’s no need. I’m happy with my Yugo m48 A. Even have a new replacement barrel from Numrich if I shoot out the one I have (dought it). If you’re talking about ammo? I have not and will NOT fire surplus cartridges. All my rounds are PPU factory or hand loaded.

    13. @ Justin.

      Not surplus, locally produced in those countries. In South Africa’s case, before WW1. In Australia and New Zealand’s case, since after WW2 (War Souvenir’s. Soldiers loved them, and started copying their own.

    14. Interesting? How is the quality of metallurgy or grade of steel? Just wondering? I’ll still stick with my one and only 8mm that I have which is the Yugo M48 A. I also have a 1944 Turkish Model 1938 K. Kale Custom 308 Win Sporter. That’s all I’ll ever need.

    15. @ Justin.

      Both were manufactured by Zastava Arms, Kragujevac Arsenal which used the same steel as the Mauser 98 patrone. One was re-bored to except the .45acp and the other was rebarrel by Kreiger, with a Match-Grade Custom Cut Chrome-Molybdenum #1 Barrel (8×57) Old Pattern, because of Fracture Lines on the Noticeable Bend on the Original Barrel. Both Rifles were restocked with ProMag Synthetic Polymer Stocks which give them the Steyr Scout Rifle Look.

      I also own one M1E5 Tanker/Airborne/Garand and a M1E6 Sniper/Garand, both post WW2. I’m currently interested in the Ruger Precision .308Win Bolt-Action Rifle, a Waffen-Gregor BAR II .30-06Sprnfld. Bullpup Rifle and a C-More M26 MASS 12-gauge Carbine Shotgun.

    16. Nice. Here’s the build list for my custom 308 Win:

      Receiver: 1944 Turkish Model 1938 K. Kale (Large Ring Small Shank Mauser 98)

      Barrel: Shilen 4140 Chrome Moly, Contour #4, 1:10 Twist, Finished Cut 24″, Recessed Target Crown

      Bolt: Interarms Mark X Commercial

      Trigger: Timney Featherweight Deluxe

      Trigger Guard And Floor Plate: Military

      Stock: Hogue O.M. Black Pillar And Glass Bedded

      Sights: Warne Maxima Unaltered Mauser 98 Steel 2-Piece Bases, Leupold PRW 1″ Medium Steel Rings, and Leupold Rifleman 3-9x40mm Scope.

      Sub moa at 300yards with handloads using Lake City NATO Long Range Match Military Brass Cases.

    17. @ Justin.

      My Yugo M48, was converted to fire the .45ACP (11.43×22.8mm) round with a 15-round magazine. A friend of mine told me about his conversion, but his uses a 21-round magazine instead. The “21’s” are hard to find now.

    18. @ Justin.

      Target Practice Pistol with a 24-inch barrel and about a 400-ft/sec. extra boost to the standard .45acp.

  16. @ Pete in Alaska.

    Hey Pete, Go Long-Range High-Penetration for the 98k Mauser, is 8x60s (.323/8.2x60mm, actual) available by Hornay and Graf & Sons. Talk to yo later, Sec…

  17. @ RDS.

    For the record, there is no record that this system was actually deployed, but then again it took almost 60-years to find out that the Nazi’s actually developed the First Uranium U-235 Dirty Bomb in 1944 and the Japanese the second Atomic Bomb in 12 August 1945. Know I’ll leave you two to finish up you Homework Assignments.

    1. @ RDS.

      Did you bother to tell your Little Buddy, that “IS” an “JS” are also the SAME.

    2. @Non Sequitor

      I will let you convey your own messages to whoever you are referring to,

    3. @ RDS.

      Keep in mind sir IS and JS were for the GERMAN Speaking Peoples, NOT ENGLISH Speaking People.

    4. @Non Sequitor

      Keep in mind sir, I am not interested! Why respond to me regarding a discussion you were having with someone else?

    5. @ RDS.

      If that’s true, why do you insist in directing the question to me.

    6. @NON SEQUITUR

      Show me once where I mentioned the difference between IS and JS as it applies to Mauser ammunition, or anyhting for that matter. Sheesh. You’re losing it pal.

    7. @ RDS.

      There’s also: www . thefiringline . com>…>the hide>the art of the rifle: 7.92×57

  18. @ Justin & RSD.

    Between the two of you, I don’t know which is DENSER. The 7.92×57 and the 8-mil (8×57), there the EXACT SAME ROUND. All they did was too Round Off the Numbers 7.92 to 8, to make it less CONFUSING, In the case of you two, they OBVIOUSLY FAILED.

    1. Thought I very clearly explained that on June 30th at 12:53am? Or did your hollow and misguided skull not seem to care? I also reload so I should know too. Anybody else that’s even done a little actual research would know. Lmao!

    2. @ Justin.

      Who in their Right Mind, Actually Listens To Anything You Have Too Say…

    3. Really? RDS is right! You’ve completely lost it, and by the way my last name has a “y” at the end. If you’re going to look someone up at least have the decency to spell there name correctly. You can’t even do that! Forget you!

  19. @Maquis, Micheal, Non Seqeuitor, Slowpoke Rodriguez, 1 ab urbe condita, or whatever nom de plume you are going by today

    Comparing the 7.92×57 to the 8mm Mauser is not akin to saying you can safely chamber and fire the folowing in a 7.92X57 (8mm Mauser) chambered rifle:

    1. 6.5×55 Swedish
    2. 7×57
    3. 7.62×51 Nato
    4. 7.62×54 Russian
    5. 7.65×53 Argentine
    6. 7.7×58 Japanese
    7. 7.92×33 Kurz
    8. 7.92×57 (Bingo you got one right!)
    9. 8mm-06
    10. 8x60R Siamese
    11. 8x52R Siamese
    12. 8x53R
    13. 8×56
    14. .303 British

    1. @ RDS.

      If you actually bothered to read anything, more interesting than an Archie Comic Book. All the Rounds mentioned, are Mauser Patterned Ammunition. Their Virtually Identical In Size. And, YES you can fire the 7.92×33 Kurz from the 98k Rifle/Carbine, though it requires manually hand-loading each round into the firing breech.

  20. @ustin

    Who can tell? The man lurches from one delusion to the next. In an earlier post he claimed the Germans used the 98K as an antiaircraft weapon to shoot bombers down from 18k meters (more than 11.6 miles) firing a 153 grain bullet traveling at approximately the same velocity as a standard 22LR (340-366 meters per second!!! The man has no concept of physics nor arms if he claims he can stuff any old cartridge in an 8×57 chamber and shoot it.

    1. Exactly lmao! Right on! Better of “10 years” of so called “research”! I dought if he even hand loads. The thought of him measuring powder?

    2. @ Justin.

      I believe the words “Experimental Propellants” were also used in the Comment. Or maybe you just failed to see it.

    3. @Non Sequitor

      Wel seems the Germans were not very good at “exprimenting’ if all they managed was a velocity of ony 340-366 meters per second you claimed. A projectile traveing that slowly woud have difficulty going 1 mile not the 18K meters (11.6 mies) you claimed. After al that is approximatey the velocity of a 22LR round.

    4. @ RDS.

      I believe Roger made that CLAIM on the second page, sir. Not me.

    5. @Non Sequitor

      @Secundius (another of your aliases) made this statement:

      Secundius
      September 13, 2014 at 5:22 pm | #
      @ Armor Piercing 153-Grain Spitzer Point (7.92x57mmMauser) 98k Anti-Aircraft Carbine/Rifles.

      “In the later part of 1945, with the shortage of 8.8cm Anti-Aircraft Flak Guns. Hitler authorized a special, Armor Piercing Aluminum 153-grain Spitzer Point bullet with maxed out loading of 52-grains of specially developed propellant. With this propellant the 7.92x57mm Mauser 98k Carbine/Rifle, had a Theoretical Maximum Flat Trajectory of ~18,000-meters traveling at ~Mach 1.07 or ~366.903-meters/second. It is not known weather anyone firing the gun survived to tell about.”

      @maquis (you again) replied to @Roger (who discredited the above statement):

      Maquis
      March 24, 2015 at 7:44 pm | #
      @ Roger.

      “As I said, it was a Last Ditch Effort. Original plan called for a Compression-Propellant Round of same dimensions. Using Experimental Propellant, the problem was that propellant bore pressures far exceeded what the rifle was designed to handle. Killed a lot of people, in the process.”

      Sorry buddy ain’t no way a rifle projectile traveling at 1100-1200 fps is going to travel 11.6 miles up or sideways, Now if you are shooting into a shaft (down) you might have something.

    6. @ RDS.

      Quite True, Sir. Now define THEORETICAL and ACTUAL. Nowhere in the statement does it mention “Actual” Maximum Flat Trajectory.

    7. @Non Sequitor

      ROF, You are too much. Your argument doesn’t even fly THEORETICALLY because it’s physcally impossible (you know- against the laws of physics!) for a rifle projectile to behave as you stated at those velocities. Consult any ballistician’s table, plug in projectile weight, sectional density, and velocity. Your magic bullet ain’t flying 11.6 miles.and your statement fell flat even sooner.

    8. I have failed to try to understand anything you have said. How can anyone take you seriously? So far I’ve given right information. You have not.

  21. That means absolutely nothing coming from someone who shoots different rounds other than what’s supposed to be fired in his rifle. I highly dought they check. Other wise they would have done something by now on this thread. This is a blog where anyone can share his or her opinion, and talk about information no matter how wrong they clearly are. A .318 bullet was pointed, and .323 bullet is conical. Are you serious? I am certain anybody else that reads this will agree that that is wild, outlandish, and preposterous! Once again do research! You are the one confused here.

    1. Good! I tried giving you the right information. I truely apologize if I offended or mislead you in any way! You’re the expert!

    2. @ Justin.

      I’m no more an expert than you are. I’ve researched the the 98k to the better part of 10-years now. And found quite a few interesting thing’s about the German Rifle/Carbine.

    3. Really hard for me to believe that. You’re statements prove otherwise sir!

  22. @ Justine.

    Sir, have bothered reading any of the other postings on The Shooter’s Log Website’s? I suspect not, there are a lot of Wild, Outlandish and Preposterous claims. And, yet they remain on those website even after 2,3,4 and 5-years after being posting. I suspect that CTD, are Fairly Good at Fact Checking their facts. Or, they wouldn’t be able to stay in business for this long.

  23. @ Justin.

    I can understand your confusion, Sir. I didn’t include the 7.92×33 Kruz, actually patterened after the 7.62×39 SKS Ruussian Round, because it’s more of a Hybrid Pistol Round than Rifle Round. And the 7.63x51NATO an updated .30-30Winchester Round. But it still a .30-06Sprinfield (7.62×63.3 Short), which in turn was patterned after the M88 Rifle Cartridge, I hope this makes you less confused, but probably not.

    1. Actually the 7.62x51mm NATO (308 win) was based/derived off the .300 savage. You Sir just lost all respect from me. I think maybe you need to do a lot more research. You are however correct in saying the 30-06 Springfield was a copy of the m/88 pattern.

    2. The difference between Guinness and stupidity; is that Guinness has it’s limits. You’re real mature making my name to a females. Shows how ignorant and arrogant you really are. I pray for any bystanders around you when you shoot. I bet you didn’t even know that 7.65x53mm Argentine was THE first rimless bottle necked smokeless cartridge. You’ll tell me “I’m confused!” Just because you “went through” not read some misinformed book does not make you an expert. It’s the 98 action not the chambering that can handle the rounds.

    3. @ Justine.

      Technically, your Half -Right Sir. The 7.62x51Nato is a Spitzer-Point and the .30-30Winchester is a Conical-Point, but it can be fired out of the M-14 Rifle as well.

    4. Actually the 7.62x51mm NATO (308 win) was based/derived off the .300 savage. I think maybe you need to do a lot more research. You are however correct in saying the 30-06 Springfield was a copy of the m/88 pattern.

  24. I have two Mauser rifles. The first one is an Yugo m48. I have a red f.o. front post and a mojo micro click aperture rear sight. At 75y I’m getting a three shot 1/2″ group. The Load: PPU Case, Remington 91/2 LR Primer, 49grns H4895, PPU 175grn PSP BT Bullet. Average volicity 2,800fps. Very effective on late season whitetail does! The second is an 1944 Turkish K-Kale M98 that has been successfully turned into a custom 308 sporter.

    1. @ Justin

      Like you I have a Yugo M48 (98k type) in 7.92×57. I hope you enjoy your New Pet. I get surprise everytime, at just how many variations of the 7.92×57 round I can Fire from my rifle. I’m up to Fourteen now.

    2. That’s pretty impressive! I’ve only shot handloads and PPU 198grn fmj bt factory ammo (which if I’m not mistaken is the original bullet issued selected for this gun). I have not and will not shoot surplus through it. I forgot to mention it has a timney trigger as well. I will never switch it back to the 2-stage military, and I’ll stick with my handload recipe :). Depending on what your bore is of any 8/7.92mm rifle (.318 or .323). You can shoot just about any 8mm ammo. Have fun and be safe! Slug your barrel!

    3. @ Justin.

      What ever you do, don’t use either the 8x57IS or IRS ammunition, there not Military Rifle Compatable. I,ve used some of the Ammunition talked about on this Website, other’s I’m just getting stated with. One’s used so far, are:
      1. 6.5×55 Swedish
      2. 7×57
      3. 7.62×51 Nato
      4. 7.62×54 Russian
      5. 7.65×53 Argentine
      6. 7.7×58 Japanese
      7. 7.92×33 Kurz
      8. 7.92×57
      9. 8mm-06
      10. 8x60R Siamese
      11. 8x52R Siamese
      12. 8x53R
      13. 8×56
      14. .303 British

      Also try Australia and New Zealand, when getting ammunition. Mauser is Very Popular in both Countries. Probably a lot of WW2, War Souvenir’s.

    4. When you said “variations of 7.92x57mm” I though you ment just that round. Not trying to be negative or rude, but I would advise you to stop emediatly firing different rounds in your rifle! Just because it will chamber does not mean its safe or accurate. How are you able to chamber rimmed cartridges not that makes any difference anyway? Why not use “IS” in military rifle? That’s what it was adopted and tested to fire. It’s the “IRS” you can’t fire or chamber because it is the rimmed version specifically for breakopen action sporting rifles. Anybody else that reads this will agree. Correct me if I’m wrong please.

    5. @ Justin

      I went through a Universal Cartridge Guide, and it said that the 98k Mauser 7.92x57mm is capable of firing approximately 43 different Cartridges.

      As for the IS and IRS, they a Civilian Hunting Rounds. A “Two-Stage Surface Bearing Rounds” to be exact. They have Lower Bore Pressure, because of the Bullets “Hour-Glass” design. Upon impact with target the round is designed to break into two separate bullet fragment causing as much internal damage as possible. Their range is about 40% that of the Standard 8-mil/7.92x57mm round.

    6. I think you misinterpreted your information. I’ll do my best no historian. The “IS” actually means infantry spitzer when translated into English. Before 1905 the 7.92x57mm had a .318 bore and was adopted as 7.9 pattern infantry(I), and with 220gr round nose bullet. When it was updated a .323 bore was adopted with a 153(or 4)gr jackted pointed bullet (spitzer), and designated 7.9 pattern infantry spitzer (IS). Mostly Europe and other U.K. countries it is designated according to C.I.P. as 8x57mm IS. In America it is designated according to SAAMI as 8x57mm JS. JS because some time ago U.S. translated wrong thinking the I was a J, and it just stuck that way. Outside U.S. it is factory loaded full pressure. The reason why U.S. is not factory loaded full pressure, because of fear that people will still shoot IS rounds in I bores. The less possibility of damage to rifle, shooter, and bystanders in the event it does happen. Even reloading manuals are conservative for same reason, and most only give loads for .323 bore. All say use caution and slug your bore to be sure. I hope that helps and clears things up a bit. If I’m wrong anybody is welcome to correct me.

    7. @ Justin

      I’m aware of the different bullet sizes Sir. The .318 is a Spitzer-Point and the .323 is a Conical-Point. With the exception of the 7.62x51NATO and the 7.92×33 Kurz, all cartridges mentioned are Mauser Rounds. When the Pattern M88 Mauser Cartridge was introduced, every one wanted one. But in their own Specifications. the 7.7×58 Japanese is actually a copy of the British Vickers Mk. 1 in .303.

    8. I don’t know how or where you’re getting your information, but you are incorrect. You obviously don’t want to be corrected, and saying anything more would be a waste of my time. God bless you sir.

    9. Forget it Justin. ‘1 ab urbe condita’ is ‘1 taco short of a combination plate’.

    10. Didn’t see this untile now. Thanks man! Did you happen to see the rest of the discussion? This guy is out of his mind.

    11. @ Justin.

      To Wile E. Coyote (Super Moron):
      www . thefiringline . com > … > The Hide > The Art of the Rifle: General

    12. @ 1 ab urbe condita.

      Actually the Website Address is: www . thefiringline . com > … > the hide > the art of the rifle: 7.92×57. “General” is good, but requires more digging to get the need information.

    13. Again “super moron” that coming from a person that fires different cartridges other than what’s supposed to be fired in your rifle your comment means nothing to me. Grow up dude! How on earth are you still breathing is beyond me. What a joke!

    14. @ RDS.

      If you ever had your Websites Redacted before, then you have to learn how to IMPROVISE.

    15. @ RDS.

      Just look at the Website provided by “Michael”, and judge for yourself. That’s all no tricks.

    16. I think its still about the correct difference between spitzer and conical bullets. I don’t know anymore? Lol

  25. I bought an old worn M98 8mm Mauser at a gunshow back in the late 80’s or early 90’s. At least I thought it was worn… Bluing almost non-existent, bore looked like it had seen better days, stock in fair to poor shape… I took it into work one day, put it in the lathe, recrowned the barrel, and took it out…. I’m here to tell you, at 600 + yards, I was hitting man sized targets in short order with open sights. I put a mil-dot scope on it and can punch nails through boards with it. While it has seen better days, it is dead on and still going strong! Did I mention I paid less than $100 for it too? /evil grin I’d love to have another one for sure, or rebarrel this one with a heavy barrel and see what its really capable of! Fantastic article … Thank you!

  26. Thge author does a nice job of showing 8 Mauser as being a quality cartridge in the same class as 30.06 cartridge. His history although is not quite as accurate as the rifle he shoots, as the .318 bore rifle was adopted by several militaries including Germany with 1888 Commission rifle.

    1. @ trey

      As I recall the 1888 patter 7.92×57 Mauser was a German design. All other countries, that used the Mauser Pattern Rifle also used the Bullet with some variations in the Bullets size. But pretty much the same bullet. The Swiss 6.5×55, the British .303, the Japanese 7.7×58, etc.

  27. I have an 8mm Mauser with a sportorized stock , it has taken many white tail deer ! I got the rifle from my father, he also has taken many deer with it, I’ll pass it down to my son .

  28. I actually have a FN49 “Eagle” in 8mm Mauser. It was a gift, might I say a incredibly good gift, from my Stepfather whose gun collection was overflowing his big safe and he only had the rifle because he bought it over 15 years ago and it was cheap but in mint condition. I must say it is definitely the crowning jewel of my small but growing collection. Ever more surprisingly as far as I know I am the first person to fire this gun and at the time all I used was Remington corelok and it is a awesome shooter but buyer be warned these guns were never built to shoot later high power surplus they might have some “issues” if you do, but at the same time I could not imagine not having this rifle in my collection and I’m on the search for more 8mm Mauser based rifles!

    1. @ Scott

      Try Mitchell’s Mauser, IMA-USA (International Military Antiques) GunBroker.

  29. Great articals, my name is Ralph and I am new to the 7.92 X 57 mauser that i just inherited is there anyone I can talk to to find out about it, please and thank you.

    1. @ Ralph

      Try Rheinmetall GmbH in Germany, they own the Mauser brand Now. or contact the German Embassy or German Consult in you Area of the country, their 8 of them through-out the Lower 48-States.

  30. I bought a 98k Mauser and had a conversion to fire .45ACP with 21-round clips and a 16-1/2-inch barrel with 1-16 twist. Going from ~30-meter ranges to ~350-meter ranges is a real blast (no pun intended) and an extra 300ft./sec. added to the 185-grain Bonded Defense round brings up to 1,520ft/sec. I should have never have shown it to my friends, because now they want one too.

  31. I was 14 when I got a German 1918 dated 8mm Mauser “blunt nosed” rifle. It came from a mass purchase made in Spain in 1969 by our local gun store in Kentucky. It seems that to “modernize” some of the old trench rifles, they were cut down (the wood goes all the way to the muzzle) to make a carbine that still retained the full power of the 8mm round. Pull the trigger and a ball of fire the size of a basket ball jumps out of the muzzle. Also, your target has a nasty hole in it. We used to plink at my friend’s Dad’s junkyard. My Mauser would drill through a Ford V8 engine block! It’s not as accurate as my Garand but it will do the job nicely in a workman like fashion. Watch that kick, though!

    1. @ Don

      I believe the “Blunt Nose” or Conical-Point 8-mil is actually a .323-caliber (8.2x57mm/Mauser).

    2. @ Don.

      Next time consider the British .303 Round. It’s very accurate to ranges of up to 1,000-meters.

    1. ???
      Sorry I do not follow… “YES” to what? That your velocities quoted are nonsensical to the point of absurdity?

    2. @ Roger.

      Roger, If my ONLY GUILT is giving Bad Advice. Then the Line I’m standing in stretches beyond the orbit of the Moon.

  32. @ Roger.

    As I said, it was a Last Ditch Effort. Original plan called for a Compression-Propellant Round of same dimensions. Using Experimental Propellant, the problem was that propellant bore pressures far exceeded what the rifle was designed to handle. Killed a lot of people, in the process.

    1. I suspect the Germans, who developed the unequaled 88 mm Flugabwehrkanone, were cognizant enough of bore pressure limitations to never attempt what you “suggest” they did.
      Furthermore, I give them more credit than believing they could shoot aircraft down from 18k meters (more than 11.6 miles) firing a 153 grain bullet traveling at approximately the same velocity as a standard 22LR (340-366 meters per second in your own words) from a stock military shoulder arm.
      There are limits even to suspension of incredulity!

  33. I have a pre 1905 8×57 Mauser rifle my dad took from a German sniper in WW2 I uses .318 bullets and had a hair trigger and a periscope type scope. looking for reloading info for it or do I just use the stuff for a .323 bullet

    1. @ Tim Peltz.

      The 8-mil Mauser will accept both rounds, it will also except the 6.5 Swiss, the 7.7 Japanes, the .303 British, the .30-30 Win, the .308 Win, the 7.62×51 Nato.

    2. @ Roger.

      Why don’t you trying looking up the information first, you’d be surprised what you’ll fined.

    3. @slowpoke

      Perhaps I misundrstood you.

      Are you talking about chambering and firing these different caliber rounds in an 8X57 barrel?
      Or are you referring to cutting a new chamber (rechamber) the 8X57 in one of these calibers, or replacing (rebarreling) the 8X57 with a barrel in one of these calibers?

    4. @ Roger

      The last time I looked, the 7.92×57 and 8×57 were one in the same rounds. The 7.92 was rounded up to 8-mil. to make it less confusing. We can see how well that turned out.

    5. Your replies have proved the adage: “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with B.S!”
      My compliments, sir!

    6. @ Roger.

      Sir, a Mauser 98k Barrel will even except a 10.5×57 cartridge.

    7. Tim don’t listen to Slowpoke, You need to get .318 bullets, do not use any other cartridges than 8×57. 30-30 is not acceptable. He was being sarcastic.

    8. @ Erhan.

      NO, actually I wasn’t/ ALL these rounds can bechambered in a 8×57 Mauser. If you don’t believe me just look it up.

    9. @ Tom Peltz

      The .318 is to the 7.62×51 NATO what the .323 is to the .308Win. There essentially the same round. The .318 is 8.02×57 and the .323 is 8.2×57. Both rounds have an overall length of 82mm. There both safe to fire from the 8×57 or 7.92×57 Mauser

    10. Sure you can chamber a .323 8X57 (JS) cartridge in the older .318 bored rifles, doesn’t mean you should. I would be especially wary of surplus ammunition you don’t know the specs of, you might get some hot-loaded machine gun ammo. If you insist on firing .323 in a .318 bore, keep the loads light.

    11. @ Roger

      The .318 is a Spitzer-Point Bullet, perfect for Sniper’s. While the .323 is a Conical-Point Bullet, or General Purpose Round.

    12. Even if this is true which it it is not as I have purchased many surplus rounds of spitzer .323 8×57 (JS), I don’t see how your comment addresses the point that it is not wise to shoot the 318 (J) bullets in the .323 (JS) bores
      In fact:

      From: http://www.norma.cc/us/Products/Hunting/8×57-JS/

      The “J” in the name stands for “Infanterie”. The “J” designation is due to a mistake deriving from the previous use of Gothic letters in Germany and has no significance regarding bullet size. But in 1905 the German army switched from round a nosed 226 grain bullets to a 154 grain pointed boattail bullet, and at the same time the diameter of the bullet was altered from .318” to the present standard of .323”. Accordingly the “S” – short for “Spitzer” – means that the barrel is made for .323” bullets.

    13. @ Roger

      Correct me if I’m wrong, which you probably will. The 7.62x51NATO can be chambered in a .308Winchester caliber Rifle. And the 5.56x45NATO from a .223Remington caliber Rifle. So, why is the concept of a 7.92×57 Rifle chambering a 8-mil or anyother similar round, such at difficult concept to grasp. Check with your local Gun and Ammunition Dealer, and ask him/her.

    14. Comparing .223/5.56 or 7.62X51/.308 Win to stuffing 30-30 rounds (or any other calibers the firearm is not chambered for) up a 8×57 Mauser is ludicrous and does a disservice to your fellow shooters who may be inexperieced enough to foolishly emulate your advice.
      Even if the firearm does not kaboom there is probable chance gas blowback or other injury to the firearm or shooter will result.
      Firearms ownership is threatened from without but it is also threatened from within by the foolhardy who claim to be sane gun owners.
      Frankly I am surprised the CTD staff has not intervened and deletd your comments.

    15. @ Roger

      Did you actually bother to read the article, it even Say’s it in the Article. Just look a Mauser Ammunition Types, and go from there!

    16. The article certainly doesn’t state you can fire “6.5 Swiss, the 7.7 Japanes, the .303 British, the .30-30 Win, the .308 Win, the 7.62×51 Nato.” in a rifle chambered in 7/92×57.

    17. @ Roger

      The .303 British is a 7.92×57 copy, the 7.7 is a .303 British copy, which in turn is a 7.92×57 copy. The 6.5×55 is a Swedish Mauser round patterened after the 7.92×57. As long as the parameters are the same, or even nearly the same as the parent round it will fit and fire in the barrel chamber!

    18. I’ll repeat:
      Advocating to stuffing 30-30 rounds (or any other calibers the firearm is not chambered for) up a 8×57 Mauser is ludicrous and does a disservice to your fellow shooters who may be inexperieced enough to foolishly emulate your advice.
      Even if the firearm does not kaboom there is probable chance gas blowback or other injury to the firearm or shooter will result.
      Firearms ownership is threatened from without but it is also threatened from within by the foolhardy who claim to be sane gun owners.
      Frankly I am surprised the CTD staff has not intervened and deleted your comments.

    19. @ non sequitor
      Did you ever post another link where this insensibility of yours was recommended or advised?
      Of course not, another “non sequitor”.

  34. I have a ’37 Cz VZ 24. Where does the ladder sight yardage/meter start at? 100/200 or 300meters/yards??
    Like to know before I shoot into the next county! Help,lol!

    1. @ Maurice Vidulich

      Should be the same as the 98k Mauser. Because the Model 1937 Cz VZ 24 is a Czechoslovakian copy of the 98k.

  35. Is there a modern manufacturer of 8×56 ammo I have a steyr m95 that was my grandfathers . I have never shot it as it came with 10 rounds and 2 clips of the original ammo and I would really love to try it out . also could it be used as a hunting rifle . Thanks so much for your time

    1. Have it looked at by a good gun smith to see if is safe then shoot it! Good way to bond with grandpa. Should be able to get ammo some place.The buck you drop with it wont care if it not a “sport” rifle. But have it looked at first–should be ok. Save the old rounds as part of the history!

    2. I assum eyou have trie selier abd Bellot, Norma, CWs and the othe reuropean mfgs? Try Aim, Inc or &G sales for surplus ammo. The Old Western Scrounger often has oddbal rounds.
      Bob Shell Shell Reloading 1485 S Lawson Dr Apache Junction, AZ 85220 phone: 480-983-7078, a custom reloader and FFL can put together just about about anything you want tat will exceed factory ammo..

  36. “Archie Bunker” talking about the war said something about firing a .45 cal. German Schnauzer. !!! Gun with a bite. How would you clean it? Sling or leash? Don’t want to now how to load it.

    1. FYI – a “schnauzer” is a German dog. A good guard dog but not a weapons system. Archie was a moron not a history teacher. Mauser-Schnauzer, Schnauzer-Mauser. Close enough for Archie.

  37. I shoot a German 8mm Mauser. It is ex-military now in a sporter stock and mounted with a Nikon Pro Staff scope. A recent range session took me through 4 boxes of Hornady cartridges with the 196 grain bullet. My shoulder felt that the loading seems to come very close to the old military pressures as the old bolt action gave me a real thumping. 100 yard accuracy ( the limit of the indoor range ) results delighted me with a best group of 5 shots marking a triangle of about 1.5 inches per side. I need to order more of these shells.

  38. @ Armor Piercing 153-Grain Spitzer Point (7.92x57mmMauser) 98k Anti-Aircraft Carbine/Rifles.

    In the later part of 1945, with the shortage of 8.8cm Anti-Aircraft Flak Guns. Hitler authorized a special, Armor Piercing Aluminum 153-grain Spitzer Point bullet with maxed out loading of 52-grains of specially developed propellant. With this propellant the 7.92x57mm Mauser 98k Carbine/Rifle, had a Theoretical Maximum Flat Trajectory of ~18,000-meters traveling at ~Mach 1.07 or ~366.903-meters/second. It is not known weather anyone firing the gun survived to tell about.

    1. ???
      366.9 meters per second converts to about 1204 ft pr scons, or about the speed of a 22 long rifle rimfire. Hitler planned on shooting planes down with this?

    2. # Roger

      Speed of Sound at Sea-Level is ~340.29m/sec., do the math. And my understanding, the concept was a Last Ditch Effort for the German’s. Because 8.8cm Flak Guns were becoming scarcer with each and every passing day, by war’s end.

    3. I’m not arguing with you about the actual velocity of the speed of sound My comment is only that it is well-known that most 22LR bullets barely break the speed of sound which be it the 336.9 m/s or 340.29 m/s value you give would hardly contstitute an effective speed for an anti-aircraft weapon, let alone reach 18k meters in any direction You must have misquoted your velocities.

  39. And No, I didn’t not do the spacing between words. The Mysterious Fo-Forces of this CTD, The Shooter’s Log, DID.

  40. Ive looked at them in the past for Lugers I know they have primo stuff and ask an upscale price Obtaining a K98 now is much like I have found with Lugers – the good deals have already come and gone. I recently satiated my Luger addiction with a broken Erma LA-22 (.22 lr Luger “clone”) I obtained parts to fix it and now have a poor man’s reasonable facsimile of a Luger

    1. @ Roger.

      I’m not exactly sure weather in will help you or not. But you might try contacting the German Embassy in Washington, DC. or one of the many German Consulate in your area. There are (8) Consulates in the United States, each covering a different area. They are as follows: Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Houston, Los Angeles, Miami, New York City and San Francisco. Their should be a Trade Representative in each Consulate too answer questions of products manufactured in Germany and are sold in the US. They should be able to help you out. Just find the one that is closest to you. You might even try CTD to help you out, after all the sell German Manufactured Goods, they should have a suppliers list available. I can’t be any more specific then that. Sorry.

  41. Knew I’d get something to think about from the two of you.I agree about the .308 . Will look at the 8mm-06 and 8mm. Even at the worst part of the ammo shortage I could still find good 30-06.

    1. @ OLD&GRUMPY.

      The only thing is dislike about the Mauser Rifle is. That every country that made it THEIR rifle, insisted in having them in their choice of Calibers. Unlike, the AK-47, where you can go into any Sporting Goods Store, and “A Box of AK-47, Please”. And within minutes you out the Front-Door, with Ammo in hand, or Bag.

  42. Lucky you1! I wish I had this conundrum!!! As I understand it your ’98 was rebarreled to 30-06 earlier I can find no reason to to downgrade to 308 (the 30-06’s baby brother) other than to try to take advantge of (currently) more available surplus ammunition Reverting to 8mm or staying with 30-06 (might be) most economical Given the same scenario I might upgrade to the 8mm-06, allowing heavier bullet weights with the larger powder capacity of the -06 case This has proven better than the sum of its parts! And you can still utilize your 30-06 cases to make the 8mm-06!

  43. A few days ago on the Lucky Gunner Lounge there was a good break down of 30-06 compared to .308. Would like to see how the 8mm stacks up. I am thinking about a new barrel on my 98 action .Should I stay with the 06 (have a butt load brass, all the dies and ammo including black tip surplus head stamped 1943) or go .308, or retro to 8mm? It is a sporting stalk.

    1. @ OLD&GRUMPY.

      If your just looking at “Maximum Flat Trajectory Ranges”, with comparable Bullets. The break down is as follows:
      1. Mauser 7.92x57mm): 3,700-meters.
      2. Springfield .30-06 (7.62x63mm): 3,150-meters.
      3. Winchester .308 (7.62x51mm Nato): 2,550-meters.:

    1. I wish! Not mine! I understand they did make a few shortened M1888s but mine is the stardard long barreled infantry rile, one piece wooden stock (the enfiled is two piece), with the fat, useless and rust-inducing barrel shroud! All I need is a bayonet and a pointed helmet!

  44. @ Roger.

    Your right, MY BAD! In my haste to post my comments. My fingers sometimes operates at a faster speed then my brain. It was a 153-grain Spitzer Point FMJ round, with a Ballistic Coefficient of G1BC, I think. I’m relying on memory.

  45. I find it interesting that the 7.92x57mm Mauser round, has a muzzle velocity of 2,800-ft/sec. and a “Flat Trajectory” maximum range of 3,700-meters. That’s better performance then the .30-06 (7.62x63mm) round, of 2,700-ft./sec. with a smaller propellant charge.

    1. You brought up a subect I have often wondered about. You didn’t mention the grain weigh of projectile but most reloading manuals give a velovity edge to the 30-06 This might be due to the propensity of the reloading manual companies to keep the 8mm loadings conservative due to the large quantities of surplus arms of unknown strength. It would be interesting to see a workup of both rounds until pressure signs occur in a similiar modern firearm (such as my Ruger 77) I do know from my own hunting handloads that the 2700 fps you quoted for the 30-06 is conservative 180 gran loads at 2900 fps are quite easy to producce and safe in my M77…

    2. @ Roger.

      I was talking about a “Spitzer Point” (153-grain) Full-Metal Jacket Bullet, which has a Vmo of 2,880-fps.

    1. I think we might be engaged in what they call “Topic Drift”. I got a North American Arms Mini cap and ball .22 from our good friends at CTD. On the NAA sight I found that they have a blog where you can start topics.Everybody seams cool and friendly. Check it out.

  46. @ OLD&GRUMPY.

    I’m not one of those fools that jumps up and down, and fire my rifle into the air. Empty my rife of ammunition, after making a kill. Like you, I know Yogi & Boo Boo, who have not, gotten their picnic baskets. Might be lying in wait just behind the bushes and trees, waiting to steal you kill. Or, kill you.

  47. @ Roger.
    .

    I’ve never carried more than five 5-round stripper clips of 7.92x57mm Mauser 98k or three 8-round clips of .M-1E6 Sniper/Garand 30.06Springfield (7.62x63mm) on a hunt at any given time. Some of my friends have carried as much as 200-rounds just to hunt White Tail, or the occasional Caribou. I mean if it takes your more then 2-rounds of anything, get your meat at a Whole Sale Meat Emporium.

    1. Where we hunted as kids if you missed the first shot the mountain was game free the rest of the day. Go home. You need one to drop the game one to finish off a wounded animal and a few round so you are not stuck with a empty gun if problems arise. I teach my son that you NEVER fire off your last five rounds at the range. It might be a LONG ride home.

    2. LOl I might be accused of re-loading too much ammunition for a hunt but never of carrying two much Always the same 4-5 rounds in the rifle and a plastic belt clip of ten more rounds. The most I have fired at any single animal I have taken is 3 30-06 at an Arizona bull elk The 1st dropped him at 125 yards, but when I approached he got up at 15 yards and staggered around in circles on three legs Trying to get his neck in the scope cross hairs at that close distance burned two more

    3. @ Roger.

      On one of the last hunts, I was on, one of friends, friend actually brought an AK-47 Semi-Automatic (Thank God), style “Assault” rifle. Don’t get me wrong, but a AK-47? Unless you know what you doing, you’d do better with a “Sling Shot”. An AK-47 is little more than a Fir-Hose, that shoots bullets. It’s a Shoot-And-Spray” weapon. If you don’t know how shoot one the right way, you’d be lucky to to hit a tree at pistol ranges. And were talking about Elk at ranges beyond 300-meters. At 300-meters, an Elks body looks as large as a “Matches Head” at 10-feet distance. Even a expert marksman, would be lucky to hit center-mass at 250-meters with a AK-47. There a reason why they mass-produced the AK-47 by the millions. The average Millions, couldn’t hit that tree at pistol ranges. At full-auto, your bound to hit something, not necessarily what you were aiming at.

  48. Let’ not forget the ’98’s daddy, the Model 1888 Commision Rifle. Originally chambered in .318 many (including mine) were rebarreled to .323 and served up to and including WWI. I bought mine mail order in the late 70’s and refurbished it (bluing/stock refinish) before I knew you weren’t suposed to do that. But hell it looked and still looks 1000 times better than the cosmoleme example I received (except for the area around the 2-pin cross-stock bolt which defied my eforts to remove. Anyway I had great fun shooting at the ranges an in the desert (although many fellow shooters eyed it suspiciusly!) and 8mm Mauser was the first caliber I started reloading with. Very easy to surpass factory ballistics and accuracy even then by handloading as long as you remember that the 1888 bolt design was not as robust as the 1898’s and you must work your loads up. i still shoot it to this day but it most promnently resides aove my fireplace.where it is always commented upon.. I have no doubt it could be used effectively up to the large elk we have here in Arizona as it’s close cousin, the 30-06 has never failed me in that regard. I would have used it too except the 1888 is not exactly of “sporting” configuration and probably would have received a few smirks from the “California” hunters.

    1. One elk dropped with the non sporting model and the smirks will vanish. Like I said back up the page the kids with the expensive gear humor me at the range until I hit the far mark with not so good open sights. The 98 is strong enough to load heavy rounds.The 30-06 might be a little light but loaded right will drop anything in North America . If your going out for Kodiak you might want a BIGGER gun!

    2. @ OLD&GRUMPY.

      You can still do it with a .30.06Sprnfld (7.62x63mm) round. The trick is to use a WW1 “Ghillie” Sniper trick. Which is to reverse the bullet in the brass cassing. When the blunted end of the bullet, hits the bears head/skull it causes an effect called “spalling”. Spalling is cause when the kinetic energy transfer from one side to the other side. Causes the skull to break apart of shatter completely, and acting like a projectile enters and/or shreds the bears brain, killing it instantly. I’ve never done it with a 8mm Mauser 98k (7.92x57nn), before. But it might do it to. But your also looking a shorter-ranges, too. Maybe 1/4 to 1/3, that of a standard round.

    3. Thanks! LOL. I will remember this trick next time I hunt the “Griz” in Lost Angeles . Wish this sight had a spot to just tell stories {or lies}. Got a great one about a bear the cops and a grenade launcher. Perhaps latter back under “critters”

    4. @ Roger.

      My grandfather on my mothers side, Live in NAZI-occupied Europe during WW2, and was Forced Conscripted into the German Army. Where he fought at the Battle of Stalingrad, then captured. Then sent to the Soviet “Gulag’s”. And was one of the fewer of the 8,000 German POW’s, of the 80,000 German’s that had surrendered. And subsequently released in 1955. Too, return home in Western-occupied Europe. That’s when my interest and love affair with the Mauser 98k (7.92x57mm) Carbine/Rifle began.

    5. Great story! I would still like to acquire a ’98 but definitely have missed the best opportunities. I also would like a 303 Enfield as I used (borrowed) on my first deer hunt in Missouri, a 30-40 Krag I borrowed on a later deer hunt in Wisconsin, and an M1 Garand which sadly I have never shot (although I held one belonging to a friend.), and a 1903 Springfield (my younger brother had one and he showed me up on a Kaibab deer hunt with it!) Suffice it to say I like military rifles, would like to acquire more, but enjoy the M1 Carbine and M1888 Commision rifles I do have!

    6. @ Roger.

      An 18th century 68-caliber Kentucky Long-Rifle, could easily hit its target of 200-yard range. And in the hands of an expert sharpshooter, ranges of a 1,000-yard were not unheard-off.

      My motto has all ways been: “There’s No Such Thing As An Obsolete Weapon, Archaic Maybe, But Obsolete No.” If it a draw blood or kill something, then its not obsolete.

  49. Oh hell yes! Excellent rifles at good prices even today, but like everything else they were a lot cheaper just a few short years ago. I’ve got 3 24/47’s, 2 M48’s and a 1935 Czech with a most beautiful striped grain stock ( as best I can describe it) and by golly I believe I’m gonna get some more.

    1. RE: My comment regarding the 1888 Commission Rifle I refurbished: It to exhibited beautiful alternating light/dark striped wood on the stock when I had stipped and sanded and coated with Tru-Oil. I have often wondered what species of wood was used?

  50. The 98 action was used on thousands of sport conversions.I have a Golden State arms 30-06 on a 98 action.Out of Pasadena Ca in the 60s they gave a good inexpensive nice looking rifle a high school kid could buy.The conversion reduced the mag from 5 to 4 rounds.5 will fit but it is too tight and scars the brass.Now that my eyes are not as sharp I want to finally scope it.The young guys with the $800 rifles and high tec optics can’t believe I hit my mark at 250 yards with bead front and folding leaf rear sights.As a kid I could not afford a scope so I had to learn to shoot.

  51. I have a Yugo M24/47 and I have been truly amazed at how accurate it is. While the markings have largely been scrubbed, there is enough left on the barrel to see that it is an FN produced barrel. I have a large supply of Greek 8mm ammo made in 1939 which is high quality but, sadly, not reloadable being Berdan primed. It is the only ammo I have fired in the gun thus far. Definitely not hunting ammo but I hope to load some of my own in time.

  52. My grandfather on my mother’s side of the family, was issued a Mauser 98k (7.92x57mm) when he fought at the Battle of Stalingrad in 1942.

  53. I bought an M48/Kar98 refurb 15 years ago. I use it at vintage rifle shoots with surplus Turkish and Yugo ammo. It is one of the most accurate open sight rifles I own. I have no problem hitting the 300 yard targets with acceptable scores with the surplus ammo. I am sure with modern factory and or hand loads my scores would be better but without any reloading equipment or loads of cash I still have a great time shooting. I would ise my rifle on any NA game animal, infact I always have it in the truck with 196 soft points ready for elk.

  54. They also left out one of the best 8mm rifles. Hitlers Garand. The G-43 a 10 shot magazine fed semi auto rifle, It was mostly used as a sniper rifle using I think a ZF-4 scope.

    1. @ Herbert Flavell.

      Actually it was called the Walter k43 not the G-43. And the biggest problem the Nazi’s had, was try to Reverse-Engineer the American Garand Rifle, too Metric measurements. Even in Measurements SAE vs. Metric, the Garand, didn’t give-up without a fight.

  55. I too, have a Yugo M-48 Mauser. I use Prvi Partizan 8mm ammo with the 198 gr FMJBT bullet. I also have a few boxes of Prvi Partizan 8mm with the 196 gr SP bullet I bought on-line by mistake. Both rounds pop the 100 yard gong at my range with ease using the iron sights. I find the rifle and either round pleasant enough to shoot several magazines worth without getting beat up by the recoil. I consider this rifle part of my SHTF aresnal.

  56. One of the Great White Hunters of the early 1900’s used a 7×57 almost exclusively.Took over 200 elephants with it, making skull shots,so I see no readon for the 8×57 to be used on similar game or in a like manner .
    Shot placement always counts more than brute power.
    JMO.
    Good article.

    1. “Karamoo” Bell was the PH you are referring to. He (and many other early settlers in Africa) used military rifles such as the Mausers or Enfields firing long sectional-density FMJ military bullets at nominal velocities to dispacth even dangerous game.

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