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Windham Weaponry — Today’s Best AR-15 or Clone?

Windham Weaponry AR15 SRC M4A4 Rifle

Whether or not you could be considered an AR aficionado, Windham Weaponry would not likely be the first manufacturer that comes to mind. In fact, I would suspect most are searching their memory banks trying to recall if they have ever even heard of Windham Weaponry. Rest at ease, the name is not as important as who is behind it and the quality of workers building the guns.

Once upon a time, a small AR manufacturing company was conceived in Windham, Maine. It went through a few owners and changes before relocating to Ilion, New York — talk about a stake to the heart. Eventually, New York proved fatal (insert my shocked face here) and the workers lost their jobs. Now, back when the company was first started, in Maine by it original owner, Richard Dyke — yes, the same Richard Dyke who started Bushmaster Firearms International — it was successful. Is it starting to get interesting now?

Windham Weaponry SRC AR-15 M4A4
The Windham Weaponry SRC features an M4A4-style flat top design with a Picatinny rails ready for your favorite optics.

This whole process took about 5 years. Dyke’s non-compete contract was set to expire and he was ready to save the company — in Maine, not New York, of course — and Windham Weaponry was born. Dyke made the necessary moves to open and looked to bring back as many of the original employees as possible. I do not know how many of the major players in the AR industry are shaking in their boots, but they are all taking notice.

Early 2012

Windham Weaponry hit the ground with four primary rifle configurations; today it offers 10. The first Windham model to <ahem> land in my hands — because I certainly did not swipe it from the boss’s desk while in the restroom — was the SRC, formally known as the Windham Model R16M4FTT “SRC”.

SRC Features

The SRC features an M4A4-style flat top design with a Picatinny rail. There is another two-inch Picatinny incorporated onto the gas block. This gives you a host of sight/optic options that can be easily added or removed, but it should be noted as a flat top configuration, the SRC is shipped sans sights.

The SRC is a semi-automatic rifle that relies on a gas-impingement system to cycle the action. The receiver is made from forged 7075 T6 aircraft aluminum and decked with a black anodized finish. I am not sure how much of a difference it makes, but I like that Windham still features an aluminum trigger over the polymer versions used on many of today’s ARs.

The SRC is equipped with a chrome-lined steel 16-inch barrel with M4 profile and removable A2 flash suppressor. The factory hand guard is of the M4 double heat shield variety and the pistol grip is an A2 black plastic model. I still have my first Bushmaster with a plastic hand guard, but in reality this would be one of the first pieces I’d replace. I do not typically hang a bunch of furniture, but I like the option to be available.

The rest is pretty much standard fare. The SRC comes with a six-position, telescoping shoulder stock (with Windham logo) and all controls are what you would expect and where it should be for an AR. Likewise, nothing outside of the norm is required to fieldstrip, clean, or lube the SRC. Oh yeah, it ships stock with a 30 rounder for those living in areas where legal.

Bushmaster Clone?

It certainly feels comfortable, similar to one of my Bushmasters, but I would not go so far as to call it a clone. All ARs share a family genealogy to some degree and most people would have to flip one over and read the logo to be sure which one was in their hand anyway. The difference is in the specs, particularly at key points — while striving to keep the platform at a competitive price point. At this, my SRC excels on both points.

My (-boss’s, as I have just been reminded) unit was ding free without any tool marks or chattering. The fit was tight and controls were of standard size. I did not see where any corners were cut to save money, as has been the case on a few cheap imports I have played with over the years. Most important, the trigger was crisp and broke smoothly right out of the box.

Windham Weaponry AR15 SRC M4A4 Rifle
The barrel features a 1:9 twist rate and should be best suited to bullets weighing 45 to 69 grains. Your ideal weight will be determined by the intended purpose, hunting, self-defense and how well your gun likes a particular round.

You would think that it would be easy to get the boss to cough up a 1,000 or so rounds for a range test working for Cheaper Than Dirt, but it seems y’all are buying our stock too quick. So, I had to go with Plan B. At the range and in talking with a few gun nuts, I would put the Windham SRC at just over an MOA gun. Likely, you are looking at something in the neighborhood of 1.25- to 1.5-inch groups (five shot) at 100 yards and from a solid rest.

Twist rates can matter and certain guns just like to eat a particular brand of bullet over another, so results will vary. With a bit of testing, I am sure you could bring down those numbers and get better group sizes. Maybe add a receiver buffer and a few other accuracy tricks. Either way, the SRC shoots better than the AR standard of minute-of-clay-pigeon and I do not intend to use it as a bench rest gun anyway.

A bunch of testing that I would enjoy (if the boss would pay for it) would really only prove which round shoots best out of one particular serial number. The 1:9 from a 16-inch barrel is suited for anything in the 45- to 69-grain range, so the best I can do is look to Uncle Sam for his recommendation:

In 1977, NATO members signed an agreement to select a second, smaller caliber cartridge to replace the 7.62 mm NATO cartridge. Of the cartridges tendered, the 5.56×45mm was successful, but not the 55-gr. M193 round used by the U.S. at that time. The wounds produced by the M193 round were so devastating that many consider it to be inhumane.

 

Instead, the Belgian 62-gr. SS109 round was chosen for standardization. The SS109 used a heavier bullet with a steel core and had a lower muzzle velocity for better long-range performance, specifically to meet a requirement that the bullet be able to penetrate through one side of a steel helmet at 600 meters. This requirement made the SS109 (M855) round less capable of fragmentation than the M193 and was considered more humane.

I guess that means I’ll have to choose something topped with a 55 grain known for accuracy. How about you?

Specifications and Features

  • Manufacturer: Windham Weaponry — www.windhamweaponry.com
  • Model: R16M4FTT — SRC
  • Action: Semi-Automatic, Gas Impingement System
  • Caliber: .223 Rem / 5.56mm NATO
  • Safety: Manual Lever with Indicator Markings on Both Sides of Receiver
  • Receiver: M4A4 Type Flat Top Upper Receiver
  • Receiver Material: Forged 7075 T6 Aircraft Aluminum with Aluminum Trigger Guard
  • Receiver Finish: Hardcoat Black Anodized Finish
  • Barrel: 16” M4 Profile, Chrome Lined with A2 Flash Suppressor
  • Barrel Material: 4150 Chrome Moly Vanadium Steel
  • Shoulder Stock: 6-Position Telescoping Buttstock
  • Pistol Grip: A2 Black Polymer
  • Forend: M4 Double Heat Shield
  • Sights: None
  • Overall Length: 34.5” (30” with the stock collapsed)
  • Weight: 6.3 lbs. Without Magazine
  • Capacity: 30+1 Rounds, Ships with one 30-Round Magazine
  • Twist: 1:9″ RH
  • Accessories: Plastic Hard Case, Web Sling, Operators Manual
  • Warranty: Limited Lifetime for Original Owner, but Transferrable
  • Suggested Retail Price: $1040, but we don’t like suggestions – Our Price $859

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Comments (80)

  1. Bought SRC during 4th of July sale, what a great gun. Eats anything I feed it, shoots great groups, Great value for the money, would recommend it to anyone, my favorite rifle.

  2. I have recently purchased a Windham Arms rifle second hand. The Model # does not show on your website. I would like to know the date of manufacture and the configuration of the rifle as shipped. Any help would be most appreciated.

    Model # is WW-CF.

  3. I’ve owned a Windham MPC since the first year it came out, and it has been a super reliable rifle that shoots anything I feed it. If you harbor any doubts about the quality and reliability of Windham rifles, you must check out the torture test performed on a Windham rifle by LegallyArmedAmerica channel on youtube. You’ll probably go out and buy one after viewing.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvkj0uFyyt0

  4. I opted for the SRC in the 7.62×39 since I already had two AKs and found brass ammo at 300 bucks for 1120 rounds, no other difference and I can hook up the Windham .223/5.56 upper for a tad over 500. Smooth as butter with twice the knockdown power.. I carried an M-14 in RVN and just could not give up that big bore kick.. Wish I’d kept my old Bushmaster though.

  5. I purchased a windham SRC from a sporting goods store in Ohio for $599.00, free shipping. I’m new to the AR family, but I think this is one of the best buys available on the market today. Wally World sells the same rifle where I live for $850.00, so I think I got a “GREAT” deal on mine. It goes bang every time I shoot it, and it’s accuracy if plenty good enough for me. I play with a Bushnell Red Dot at 25 yards and shooting clover leaf groups. Mostly getting 1 inch groups at 100 yards with my Nikon P-223 4×12 scope. I’ve mad a few changes, fore end from ebay, steel flip up iron sights that co-witness with my red dot perfectly. So for all the Nay Sayers, screw them. If you like the Windham Rifle buy it, I don’t think you’ll regret it. Love mine, and will never part with it.

  6. Put several 100 rounds through the Windham AR 15 SRC with exceptional results. In terms of value for performance, it is a fine rifle. You can argue that there is a lot of difference in performance of ARs along price lines, but with the stock US companies, I really don’t see a lot of difference. Windham has a good story and I like the fact that buying one supports entrepreneurial pioneers and jobs in small town America. As for the accuracy of the Windham, 99% of the guns are better than the guy shooting it. This one fills the bill. Windham also makes it easy to order parts and has a good array on their simple website. Needed a 5 round magazine for mine and it arrived in just a few days from Windham direct. Plus, it’s their mag so I knew it would work when I ordered it. Its a fine rifle and I like what it stands for.

  7. I just bought the WWSRC for $700 even and added a 3×9 red/green variable scope for $120. I’m in California so it has a bullet button and 10 round mag. I was at the Wild West gun show and held several AR’s before deciding on the WW. It just felt like it wanted to be mine. I liked the light weight of the gun and the scope was really cool. I’m ex Navy and have been more of a pistol man, but I’ve always wanted an AR and at that price point I just couldn’t say no. I’m eager to pick it up and go shoot it!

  8. Bought my windham about a year ago little over $700 did a lot of research for my money , shoots anything got 8 mags 3×9 variable scope red/ green mil spec
    Love it

  9. Some people show their ignorance by their posts. So dismiss them for what they are. I do my own reloading, where you learn a lot about twist rates and what is tuned for a particular rifle. I brought a 6 inch grouping at 100 yards down to 1/2 inch moa with my loads. So usually the gun is not the problem 😉

  10. I will not say that any AR platform is better than any other simply based on price. I, being a veteran myself, really love that Windham does what it does. Supporting the troops and its loyalty to its employees and customers. I have recently purchased the WWSRC and love it. I like the fact that there were no sights, as I want to put on my own custom sights. By the way, you can purchase a Windham with sights! At the range I put on a scope and sighted in with 3 rounds at 200yds. After that I was shooting 1.5in groups all day with 62gr 5.56 rounds. I did try out a couple mags of .223 55gr and still found those to be quite accurate given the drop in weight. .223 rounds were still grouping at 2.5 inches at 200yds for me. I will say that there is one thing I do not care for with the Windham however, and that is it seems to be a bit on the over gassed side and launches the extracted rounds way to far. There is nothing like apologizing to the guy 3 benches down every time you smack him in the face with a nice fresh hot casing.

  11. There are more expensive AR platforms one can purchase, but not necessarily better ones. The WW SRC maybe an entry level AR to some, but its the perfect weapon for the non-professional, home defender, or prepper who needs a quality long rifle, on a budget. And if the user should decide to do so, the SRC is upgradeable.

  12. I’ve always been a handgun and shotgun fan, but find myself drawn to an entry level AR due to personal budget constraints {…FURLOUGH due to sequestration}. I’m hoping to eventually wind up with an AR that can serve as both close quarter needs as well as open range use. I’ve been surfing and ‘window shopping’ to try to preplan my actions. My desired end result will be a NONcomposite AR with both iron sights for close quarters as well as raised, see thru mounts and holographic and magnifier for long range use. I’m hoping that EDH will respond with some guidance from his experience and expertise, but am open to any and all suggestions.

    Proud Veteran of Two Veteran Sons…Proud to Support OUR 2nd Amendment Rights

  13. I purchased a WW SRC AR15 and my friend purchased a Colt AR15. In my opinion, my weapon has a better finish and outside of that, there is absolutely no difference in the two rifles – shooting, accuracy, etc. And at $300+ less than he paid, I got the better deal.

  14. My 2 cents worth on the WW SRC. I do believe it is the best AR for the price out there. You can certainly make the argument that the Colt is a better AR (and you are probably right) but you are also paying for it. If around $1300 is your price point then go for it. At an $800 price point the WW is dam close.
    Over 95% of the guys and gals at WW used to build the Bushmaster. The AR’s that they are building now as a new independent privately owned company is superior to the Bushmaster.
    I see a couple people wining about “selling a gun with no sights”, well that’s the point of the SRC (Site Ready Carbine). Most people (including myself) like to personalize the sighting the way they like it and end up swapping out the stock configuration anyway.
    One other thing, the comment “It doesn’t even have the proper twist rate!” The SRC’s 1:7 twist is designed for the lighter weight .223 bullets that most of us use. If you are having problems with Zombies or are getting geared up for Al-Qaida then you are going to want the 1:9 twist for the heavier bullets.

  15. I bought one today from Tri-State, price was $919.99 so seems like things are going up. Haven’t even shot it yet but nothing but good things from the sales guy as well as all the internet sites I’ve found. I have a S&W M&P15 that works great, and this one seems similar in every way. Hoping the Windham is a little more accurate as I wanted it for hunting song dogs. The Smith does ok but about 2 moa, hopefully I can get closer to 1moa in a carbine-sized setup.

  16. I bought the Windham MPC with carry handle and front and rear sights,1 mag,case,and sling for a whopping $797.00. It is very accurate,feeds any kind of ammo,and meets the eye test for quality. We’ve shot it side by side with my brother in laws Daniel Defense and it matched it step for step.

    I cant say what the “best” AR is but if you purchase a Windham,you will be pleased with your new rifle. There are plenty of other manufacturers that make great rifles as well. The main thing is get one,shoot it often ,and fight for our 2nd ammendment rights

  17. I agree with Crowe Rock River Arms seems to be the best of the mid priced AR platforms out there. Sure you could spend a lot more but no need. Just purchased an RRA LAR Elite Comp model 1270 flat top which comes with RRA flip front sight,A.R.M.S. #40 low-profile rear sight,1:9 chrome lined 16″ barrel, RRA tactical muzzle brake, 2 stage trigger with winter trigger guard (if you are a cold weather shooter this is key)and a half quad free float hand guard so you are not holding onto a cheese grater but can hang all the furniture you may need. MSRP $1445 but you can get if for just about $1000 brand new if you shop smart. Check out this link for complete details http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfmfuseaction=category.display&category_id=374

  18. I have a hbc made by them,and i think its a great rifle for the price,shoots good and works everytime.i’m not a rich guy and can’t afford $5,000 for a rifle and scope comb,just a old cripled up vietnam vet,who still loves to go shoot. my other AR is a Colt sp-1,i got over 30 years ago,and i don’t know how many rounds i’ve shot with it,more than a few.lol.i’ve shot white tail deer with it at 100 to 600 yeads,mostly head shots,still a great rifle.i got this new rifle from a guy who lost his job,he had to sell it to feed his kids,thats sad.i got the rifle,a slide-fire stock and a 1000 rounds of 5.56 ss109 ammo for a 1000 bucks,a good deal.i was able to help him and got a great rifle.p.s. i love to shoot it on full auto.

  19. It’s inexpensive, so it can’t be any good ? Love the sentiment. I bought one of these as wallyworld for $799.00 it’s my 6th or 7th ar. I like the fit better than most of my others. THIS IS A FINE WEAPON. There is no “for the money” comment either, just a fine weapon. This is probably the best ar value out there. I’ve owned BM, Olympic, Colt HB and SP-1, etc…

  20. “The low price point guns are aimed at the new buyer. Why not sell them a gun you can shoot out of the box without spending any more except for ammo?”

    The MPC would be that Windham. MSRP is only $45 higher than the SRC. Clearly, a noob should be buying a weapon with sights.

  21. Any time Irish-7. I’ve been on plenty of forums where the holier than thou set can ruin a civil conversation.

    Be safe, consider the source and shoot it ike you stole it!

  22. If you’re going to run a scope on an AR then no rear sight is fine. No front sight is fine. I’m looking at the new guy on the block. He may not have the knowledge or the cash for an EOTech or Aimpoint. The low price point guns are aimed at the new buyer. Why not sell them a gun you can shoot out of the box without spending any more except for ammo?

    Plus, I’m tired of watching lame low budget Scy Fy movies where the “military” or “SWAT” have no rear sights as they get gunned down.

  23. Thanks for the detailed explanation, EdH! I have the utmost respect for those educated folks that can post without flying off the handle in anger, or turning the blog into a self-absorbed dialog. I am ready to drop out of the conversation on “Four Guns Every Shooter Should Own” because of the Holier Than Thou Know It All’s have joined the discussion. I wish you all the best in your business! I was an Armorer for a few years early in my military career, so I know a little about rebuilding and replacing parts on rifles and machine guns. Although I was not on a budget, I did research costs for ordering weapons parts. In the back of the manuals, there was an SMR (Supply, Maintenance & Recoverability code). This dictated where the part came from, the level of maintenance authorized to replace the part and whether or not the piece could be fixed instead of replaced. Also, if there was a requirement to turn the part in (or just discard it). In some cases, it was more economical to order the next higher assembly, as opposed to rebuilding / replacing multiple pieces. The extractor on an M2 HB CAL.50 Machine Gun is one part that comes to mind. Anyway, even though I was not personally profiting from frugal practices, I did my best to save Uncle Sam money. This was during the period where the government was paying $600.00 for toilet seats. I recall the price of M2 HB CAL.50 MG barrels going from $290.00 to $744.00 in 10 years, from 1986 to 1996. I don’t want to ramble. Thanks again for keeping it civil.

  24. Guys, the complaints about no sights miss the point. This is one model that is sold as a flat top. That’s the way I bought it and I did so because I wanted the picatinny rails. Check out their line. If you want sights, they’ve got ’em. I love my Windham (with an Aimpoint T-1), and I’d buy it again tomorrow.

  25. The DPMS Recon Tactical is the finest AR15 for the money. I got it for less than $1k from my local gun shop brand new (with full rails, flip up sights, 2 PMAGS, case, CAR Operator stock). Smoothest action I’ve ever felt. It shoots like a .22 and fires 5.56. There’s a reason why there’s a 9-month waiting list to get one! It’s a steal if you can get your hands on one.

    Iraq War Vet
    Armored Recon
    1CAV, US Army

  26. I have the HBC variant. Absolutely love it. I wish I could post the pics of my targets from last week’s trip to the range. It is a tack driver.

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