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Obama’s AR-15 ammunition ban is under fire from both the public and Congress. It is important to understand the issue, the facts, and the Whitehouse’s rhetoric, misdirection and untruths.

Obama to Outlaw .223 Ammunition (M855) Through Executive Action

It is doubtful that anyone reading this article will truly be surprised that Obama and his cronies in key government posts are trying to once again de facto suppress our Second Amendment rights. They were not able to make it happen through the legislature, but Obama has his phone and his pen. Currently, it seems the President is using both to target gun owners, specifically owners of AR-15s. If you can’t outlaw the guns, get rid of the ammunition.

3 Ways to Stop the .223/5.56 (M855) Ammunition Ban

The BATFE is only considering comments received by March 16, 2015. Act now and help spread the word! Contact the BATFE via email at APAComments@atf.gov and express your opposition to the BATFE proposal to ban common rifle ammunition used by millions of gun owners. Remember to proofread your comment and ensure it is concise. Alternatively, you can use the suggested text in this article. Here are all of the ways to weigh in and make your voice heard by the BATFE to stop this backdoor gun control measure.

Obama’s Attempt to Ban of M855 Ammunition — Are We Making a Difference?

Your actions are starting make a difference. Unfortunately, President Obama is still tone deaf to our rights under the Second Amendment, but Congress is not. Even mainstream news outlets, both print and TV are covering Obama’s use of his pen and phone to institute backdoor gun control. Here is how to contact your senators and representatives and let your voice be heard.

White House Claims the AR-15 Ammo Ban is Only to Protect Cops

Feel-good messages that have nothing to do with the proposed ammunition ban. The Whitehouse press secretary’s own words show the intent to limit access to firearms—in opposition to the Second Amendment i.e. gun control—thorough executive action. Eliminating access to M855 ammunition by lawful firearm owners and users is supposed to magically prevent a bad person from getting a gun or using it to commit murder? The logic and spin is astounding. For every Supporter of the Second Amendment, this is a MUST READ.

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Comments (116)

  1. Timely suggestions – I am thankful for the info – Does anyone know if my assistant might be able to locate a sample a form example to fill out ?

  2. In reply to James regarding supporting the NRA;

    If the NRA is the only Dog we have in the fight, then we need to all unite and find another Dog to put in this fight because the NRA is “Controlled Opposition”. The NRA supported both the 1934 NFA and the Gun Control Act of 1968. Fidelity to the Constitution and adherence to the “Rule of Law” is really all we need. Absent an amendment to the Constitution which alters or modifies the “Right to bear arms” (and which has never been done), the 2nd Amendment stands as written. There is my opinion a very meritorious legal argument that can be made that would nullify all gun control laws across the nation. Please read my earlier lengthy comment in which I explain just want I mean.

    AC

  3. But gun control works, just ask the Nazis. My grandfather fought in Europe in WW2, the locals told him the first thing the “party” did was gun registration. And guess what? It was under the guise of protecting the local law enforcement. Does this sound familiar to anyone?
    Something about those who don’t learn from history are damned to repeat it?
    Support the NRA, they are the only dog we have in the fight.

  4. i been saying this, Hitler I mean Obama thinks He is fooling US .He is trying to help His follow Muslims* THE BROTHERHOOD so HE can be A DIC..TATER And GET rid of MY’;OUR Constitution Then KILL ALL NON MUSLIMS. ISN’T HE a nice FOOL . ARE WE going let Him?? Sound’s like Germany 1932-45 One diff Americans/and Jews.
    Muslims are trying to take over this country since the last ww2. a miner told me this 30 years ago.people think i’m nuts when i talk about all the going on.

  5. When is congress going to get smart and try that treasonous person and punish to the fullest. ( can I help ) To date I have counted up to 95 counts. I believe congress Fears Obama. WHY?

    1. Because if our 1st black president is impeached, the black populace will scream racism and as they usually do, they will lose their minds and riot.

  6. I’ve done a little investigation into pricing of AP ammunition. Sense the fed’s have tried their political maneuvering to get this type of ammunition banned for no valid reason, the price has increased dramatically. Now, a single round of AP 308 ammunition is well over the price of a 50cal round…ie… $20 for 5 rounds. And forget about purchasing the projectiles only…ie… $100+ for 50 bullets. There is serious gouging going on by manufacturers. There is no question, this needs serious attention. Not only is the government trying to take advantage of law abiding citizens but manufacturers of components are as well.

  7. Why ban any ammo I’m a family man with six kids we all get together and shoot at the family ranch once à month at the shooting range in the back yard if they take away the guns and ammo I feel like that’s what keeps the outsiders from invading America that ever American citizens are armed I stand for the second amendment right to bear arms they should make ammo cheaper and plentiful my grandfather started me out target shooting when I was about five years old with a Remington Speedmaster and I’ve passed that tradition down to my kids that’s what its all about family any man with kids would do anything to protect them from harm the president has body guards to protect him and his family its not fare to us if you take that away from ever American to protect there family god bless keep it going to protect the second amendment

  8. I am pissed off, 1. any ammo ban is just wrong. 2. I did not see this much unity and concern about the 7n6 5.45×39 ammo ban. The 7n6 was the “INCH” now the M855 is the “MILE”.. The 5.45 is under 22.cal specs and there is no hand gun on the market that fires it. But I think the 7n6 ban goes deeper, just by seeing the news, videos of isis pigs. I think good America sportsman & target shooters was buying up most of 7n6 and the isis pigs needed it. The gov stopped import of it and 50% of news videos show ak74’s in the hands of these killers. You can tell by the curve of the mags 5.45 mag have less of a curve than the 7.62×39 (ak47)… They got our 7n6 soon maybe M855 “AND THEN WHAT” Like I said ALL bans are bad, let WE THE PEOPLE decide what we want to send down range. God Bless the U.S. We need his help.

  9. I am a vet. and served in Viet Nam and I beleive we all have our rights as Americians to purchase any ammo and guns we desire and NO goverment regardless who they are have the right to say what we purchase. They are too many Americans out there that will take up arms and show any one who desires to take our rights from us. If they think we are kidding,just let them try. I am fed up with Obama with his rules and regulations.

  10. What our govt. fails 2 realize us that no matter what people use guns everyday. Most of us use them 4 sport and 4 protection. Some of us 4 over reasons. If they try 2 take guns out of the hands of us, responsible Americans, that only leaves the bad guys with weapons who defy the govt anyhow. That doesn’t make any sense but politics and govt. never does. Our 2nd amendment rights were put in place many years ago with good reason. U take God out of schools, and out of our Country and this is what u get. We need 2 get back 2 our original America. People need 2 wake up and realize the world is a horrible place and we need 2 take a stand!

  11. I am so dam tired of having to watch these sneaky politicians that try to deprive us of our 2ND AMMENDMENT RIGHTS as a CITIZEN NOT A SUBJECT!!!!!. It is time to end all this prohibition BULL SPIT!!! Prohibition didn’t work for alcohol, pot or any other substance!!! What makes an educated man so stupid that he thinks prohibiting guns &/or ammo will solve the problem??? I see this country changing! The wimpy college educated frightened city folks passing laws against the common folks!!!! We are no longer (of the People, by the People, for the people!!) It seems like the people are being pushed around by (of the money, by the money, for the money!!) What common man has a chance to fund a political campaign? NO CHANCE IN HELL THAT’S WHAT THE COMMON MAN = THE PEOPLE HAVE. EVERY BALLOT SHOULD HAVE A SLOT THAT SAY’S NO CONTEST!! IF THE CANDIDATES ARE BEATEN BY THE NO CONTEST VOTE, THEN A NEW CAMPAIGN SHOULD BE HELD WITH ALL NEW CANDIDATES!!! I FEAR A GOVERNMENT THAT FEARS MY GUN!!!

  12. BHO and company, don’t really believe that this will solve anything but the ego of their base. It is however, a nibble, and if they can get this one off the launch pad there will be bigger nibbles and larger bites at our individual liberties and rights.

    You see the Progressives don’t believe in personal rights, they’d rather be in a position where the government issues the rights, which would be few and far between and change at the whim of the elite. This was Teddy Kennedy’s idea of a couple of decades ago .. or so. If they want to keep their guns, fine, we’ll just ban the bullets.

    Another problem is that I believe that there are many of those RINO’s who would go along with this. What ever the Progressives can get by the American people, then at a later time they would be able to use the same tactics themselves. I’ve seen some pretty scary “Executive Orders” which really should be reversed or deleted by Republicans when they came to power.. but were not …hummm?

  13. This is the same federal administration that wants to legalize pot and “redistribute” my hard earned wages so his supporters can sit around stoned all day.

    But please remember, he was voted in twice. Many of you and/or your friends did not take the time to vote. I am 52 years old and I have never once missed my voting obligation. It takes less time to vote than it takes to buy a case of beer – AND YOU DON’T NEED ID TO VOTE.

  14. I was born in this country with the right to own firearms , and uncle sam just the same obliged me with one for three years during Viet Nam and two of my brothers as well, he did the same with my father and three of my uncles during WW II . So i guess our Govt officials are under the misunderstanding that we only get to have guns when the Govt needs us to have them . Well I got news for them ! They can make all the laws they want , don’t amount to a hill of beans anyhow , We all know what the 2nd amendment says , we also know that there are some 300 million guns in the hands of Americans and that we are not giving them back , SO JUST DEAL WITH IT !!

    1. When we allow ailens have wright to vote and we are going to let this socialist goverment to tell how we should live .That is not what our founders ment to leve us with only the rights they want to leve us with.

      Tom fair 101 Pine hollow
      Fl. 34223

  15. The intent of the writers of the second amendment was that the right of the people to bear arms as a protection for a free state against the very tyranny of govt, that Obama and the gun controllers want to impose.But the real problem stems from a decades old liberal dominated education system that has been allowed to indoctrinate generations of young people into a socialist anti-American world view.

  16. Unless you are willing to submit to the same atrocities Hitler dealt to those unwilling to bow to his demands; then the time to stand and be counted as defenders of the Constitution is now. The Nazi’s were but a warning as to what we can expect today. Learn from history, do not bury your heads, and know that if we lose the 2nd. amendment, we are no longer in possession of the ability to preserve the rest of our constitutional rights. Fight for our rights guaranteed by God, not by man and remove this cancer from our land.

  17. Arizona, Republican Gov. Jan Brewer
    Brewer struck down a law — passed earlier this month by the state legislature — that would allow people with concealed carry permits to bring their guns into buildings that lack security guards and metal detectors at the entrance.

  18. Just how many law officiers have been killed with this type of ammo in the last fifteen years…all the bad guys are walking around with AR-15 ready to do them in?? ..B.S…the next on the list will be shotguns ETC..sound like the happenings down under all over again….we should all go to the polls at voteing time to get rid of this phony American…

  19. I hunt and target shoot and that is my past time I don’t buy ammo to rob or stick up people this is all I do since I retired form the sheriff department my boat is old and gas is too high for me to fish so the only thing I do is target shoot with other old men hunting season we hunt there are no cause for us not to be able to get ammo for our guns we don’t break any Laws and don’t plan to and I have been beat down and robbed and shot at one time so I need to be able to protect my self and Family and that is my right as a citizen .

  20. I don’t even own an AR-15. My son was in Afghanistan and he told me that their armor( which is what most cops wear) can take several rounds of .223/5.56 rounds before penetration occurs. As for the ammo itself I believe that most people that buy it are NOT shooting at cops or plan too. Unfortunately politicians are oblivious to this and probably never even gone to a range or hunted in their lives. if the shoe was on the other foot and we as a nation took away their right as an American citizen to not have gas for their cars it would be unthinkable.

    1. Heath,
      Sir, thanks to your son for his selfless service to defend the our freedom and freedom the same people who would take away his and our freedoms. I have worn many different uniforms over years and can tell you ANY rifle round (not just the evil green tip) will zip through soft armor. What your son is referring to is the SAPI ceramic plates inserted into our armor which stops rifle rounds, yes even the evil green tip. So, in my profession we simply wear the SAPI plates and it does the job. Don’t drink the gun grabbers kool aid, Sir. Your Son is a hero for serving whether he never speaks of it, most don’t.

  21. I am a tax paying red blooded american and I love my ar-15 .223 and now the President whants my amo . What a load of spit (sorry). Thank you

  22. If the Government is going to ban the ability of the citizens to protect themselves, then the citizens should work within the framework of the Constitution to eliminate Government inept and complex services such as the DHS and the USSS. As well, the families of those in political office should have to pay to provide their own private security and not on the Government dime. The same for former Presidents and their families. End the free ride on the taxpayers coat tails. Are the lives of your spouse, children or grandchildren any less precious to you than those of public servants? I think not! In this country we (presently) have the ability to VOTE and ask our elected representatives to enact bills which can become law (unless vetoed by using a pen and piece of paper in the current executive branch). The time to consider these efforts is now before we also lose the right to contact these elected officials and voice our opinions without fear of retaliation. Act civil within the frame work of the law, learn your rights as a free citizen of the greatest country in the world, threaten no one with violence and press the political issues you are most passionate about using available resources. A house divided can not stand. United we stand.

  23. Let us ponder these quotations of Vladimir Iliych Lenin (1870-1924), who was the founder of the Soviet Communist Party:

    “Democracy is indispensable to socialism.”

    “The goal of socialism is communism.”

    “A lie told often enough becomes the truth.”

    “Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism.”

    “Our schoolteacher should be raised to a standard he has never achieved, and cannot achieve, in bourgeois society. This is a truism and requires no proof.”

    “Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.”

    “Give us the child for eight years and it will be a Bolshevik forever.”

    “We must hate, hatred is the basis of communism. Children must be taught to hate their parents if they are not communists”.

    “The press should be not only a collective propagandist and a collective agitator, but also a collective organizer of the masses.”

    “Literature must become party literature. Down with unpartisan litterateurs! Down with the superman of literature! Literature must become a part of the general cause of the proletariat.” [Extend this thought also to the entertainment media.]

    ”The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation.”

    “The best way to destroy the capitalist system is to debauch the currency.”

    “To rely upon conviction, devotion, and other excellent spiritual qualities; that is not to be taken seriously in politics.”

    “There are no morals in politics; there is only expedience. A scoundrel may be of use to us just because he is a scoundrel.”

    “It is true that liberty is precious – so precious that it must be rationed.”

    “While the State exists there can be no freedom; when there is freedom there will be no State.”

    “One man with a gun can control 100 without one.”

    “A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the bourgeoisie.”

    “America can only be destroyed from within.”

    It is my humble opinion these quotations seem to describe the syllabus of our education system and the master plan of government at all levels…

  24. First, to be clear, I am totally against what Obama and the ATF are atempting. They are trying to circumvent proper judicial procedure, and that is unconstitutional. Not to mention that their reasons for the ban are without merit.

    I am all for the 2nd Ammendment, and I own and shoot a variety of firearms, including AR-15’s. I’ve never used the M855 rounds, for the reason that I shoot at indoor ranges frequently, as well as steel matches, and they don’t allow steel jacketed ammo, as it damages their back stops and targets. Other than that, I have no particular bias against it’s use.

    That being said, I can see where the firearms and ammunition industries have brought this on themselves.

    For years, M855 ammo has been marketed as “light armor piercing”, even though that isn’t what it was really designed for. It just sounds cool, and sells better. The ATF, long ago, banned armor piercing ammo for handguns, and nobody that I know of sells any, but since M-855 is rifle ammunition, it received an exemption. So along comes some “genius” who wants to get around the short-barreled rifle restriction. So he removes the stock from an AR-15, and calls it a “handgun”, and pats himself on the back for his ingenuity. But wait, now you have a handgun that can fire readily available “armor-piercing ammo. It seems to me that their attempts to get clever with the regulations has inadvertently stirred up a hornets nest.

    Maybe this should be a wakeup call to the industry. When you blatantly try to exploit loopholes in the firearms laws, some anti gun extremist is going to overreact, and try to close them.

  25. First, to be clear, I am totally against what Obama and the ATF are atempting. They are trying to circumvent proper judicial procedure, and that is unconstitutional. Not to Merion that their reasons for the ban are without merit.

    I am all for the 2ND ammendment, and I own and shoot a variety of firearms, including AR-15’s. I’ve never used the M855 rounds, for the reason that I shoot at indoor ranges frequently, as well as steel matches, and they don’t allow steel jacketed ammo, as it damages their back stops and targets. Other than that, I have no particular bias against it’s use.

    That being said, I can see where the firearms and ammunition industries have brought this on themselves.

    For years, M855 ammo has been marketed as “light armor piercing”, even though that isn’t what it was really designed for. It just sounds cool, and sells better. The ATF, long ago, banned armor piercing ammo for handguns, and nobody that I know of sells any, but since M-855 is rifle ammunition, it received an exemption. So along comes some “genius” who wants to get around the short-barreled rifle restriction. So he removes the stock from an AR-15, and calls it a “handgun”, and pats himself on the back for his ingenuity. But wait, now you have a handgun that can fire readily available “armor-piercing ammo. It seems to me that their attempts to get clever with the regulations has inadvertently stirred up a hornets nest.

    Maybe this should be a wakeup call to the industry. When you blatantly try to exploit loopholes in the firearms laws, some anti gun extremist is going to overreact, and try to close them.

    1. ??? Why has Obama not been tried for Treason. The first thing He said after his oath of office, “the only thing holding Me back is the dam Constitution.” I have counted no less then 35 Counts of treason in his first 3 mounts of office in His first term. Why is our congress afraid of him. A hundred years ago he would have been tied to a post offered a black hood. You know the rest! His second term He got caught on TV telling the Russians, he will have more power (wink). What dose that mean? (TREASON)

  26. The endless discussion on gun control and now ammunition control never deals with facts. There are approximately 33,000 deaths a year by firearms in the United States. About two thirds of those deaths are suicides ( 22,000) and the balance (11,000) homicides, accidents, etc.I won’t note the disproportionate number of the 11,000 deaths that occur in our black communities. That would be labled unfair and racist. The left agenda to deflect attention when they are scrambling or trying to ralley something to breath some life into this fiasco called the Obama administration. I cannot find one report of a police officer fatality by the .223 round ? Our president may want to rally the troops on stricter smoking bans….smoking deaths in the US are around 450,000 a year and alcohol related deaths are around 25,000 a year. Now those numbers should rally his Hollywood buddies around the flag. I know, don’t confuse things with facts.

  27. The laws that Congress passes are only good on Federal property and property they own like Guam, Virgin Island and Porto Rico.
    They did not have the power to run off the led manufacturers and now they want to ban the M885 ammo.

    They can ban it on Federal property only.

  28. nobody needs a weapon to cause a uprising , the biggest uprising to the govt. would be to stop working, they need our money more than our weapons.

  29. We Americans live in a country, where we, the people, are the government. Therefore, we have the power to change what we deem unlawful. If we feel the individuals who we hired by voting them into office, are not doing the job we want them to, we have the power to get rid of them. So, let’s impeach them, and send the message, that we will not accept people, those individual we put in office, telling us what we can and cannot do, when we know, collectively that what they are attempting to do, is wrong. We have the power!

  30. Why is it that they are going after the M855 ammo? They say that it is for the safety of our law enforcement officers. This has got to be the first steps to taking away our 2nd amendment rights. They can say oh no we are not out to take away your rights or you firearms, but I find that hard to believe. The reason I find that hard to believe is because the M855 ammo is no deadlier than any other center fire rifle round. If you know anything about law enforcement officers vests that they wear, you know that they are not designed to stop a high velocity rifle round, whether it be M855 or the regular old hunting round. The vests are designed to stop low velocity pistol rounds. In saying that, even if they were to ban the M855 ammo, it would still not stop someone who has the intent to murder someone from doing so. The criminals will always have their firearms and ammo, because they are just that, criminals. They don’t care what the law states. Guns and ammo don’t kill people. People kill people. Long story short banning this ammo would only defy the law abiding citizens from being able to enjoy the sporting fun of being able to shoot economically.

  31. we need a revolution !!!! support your troops, you will need them to overthrow the government. and don’t steal, the government doesn’t like the competition.

  32. Every time I hear something that Obama wants to eliminate I laugh. He is a joke. A worthless person and a president. Good luck president Obama trying to screw this country up. Only the strong will survive. But all the ammo possible.

  33. I am against the banning of the 223 / 556 AR ammunition / this hugely used ammunition is rarely ever used by persons committing criminal. Criminals should be punished and not the ammunition. It is to me the equivalent of automobiles because of drunk drivers. This ammunition is used in all types of sporting events from pleasure shooting such as targets and in shooting competitions by hundreds of responsible shooting sports people. I have asked my congressional representatives in both houses to step up and stop this unsupported back door ban.

  34. If you read the new ATF Regulation Guide published in January 2015. This ammo was banned in Jan 2015. According to ATF, anybody in possession are now felons. The current Public feedback ATF is requesting is just smoke and mirrors. It is probably their attempt to get probable cause to do home raids on american citizens.

    1. *facepalm* the only thing they were trying to ban was armor piercing ammunition (M855), not 223 in general. a distinction this publication is purposefully hiding to inflame gun owners such as myself. Since the animals i plan on shooting don’t wear Kevlar, this doesn’t affect me. and for the folks that say they are to stop government agents from taking over a green tip will do little to stop a hellfire.

  35. As a wounded veteran of the US Marines. I am appalled by this, but not surprised. I served for 13 years and gave all I had, to protect the rights and libraries of our great nation. Now that I’m retired I can speak freely on this matter and of our so called great president. For years now I feel as if I have been taken advantage by our president. When I say.. I.. I mean many things, we the military and US citizens. I grew up around guns and hunting. Of course I joined the service. I’m a active gun owner and hunter, and when I was hunt I picked up gunsmithing as a hobby. I press out my own ammo and build my guns. It happens to be that I press out my own 5.56/.223 and I build my own AR15 and AR10. So this would affect me very much so. It is a part of me and a way of life to me now, therapy. Punish the many for the actions of a few. More “Cops” are killed in car accidents, accidental death, and non firearm deaths every year. Than “Cops” with supposed AR15 deaths, I would say cops are killed more hand guns than rifles. In all, we need to stand up for rights. Fight for what is ours. Regardless if it passes or not, I will not stop doing what makes me happy and I love and enjoy and is protected by the constitution.

    Semper Fi

  36. What they’re trying to do is to prospectively ban the new M855a1 ammo. Being much more effective against armor and also against other barriers, e.g., concrete, with better terminal ballistics, they simply don’t want the peasants to get their hands on it.
    Our masters also have a more general problem: Bullets with steel (or tungsten carbide) tips and copper or lead cores (aka “slugs”) – the design of which are now proven to be effective – yet don’t fall under the definition of an “armor piercing” bullet as set forth in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(B), which proscribes only “a projectile or projectile *core*…which is constructed *entirely* [from steel etc.]”
    So apparently our masters’ approach to the “problem” is simply to take a ridiculously broad construction of the law and declare that any bullet containing any steel (or any of the other “enumerated metals”) is deemed “armor piercing” and therefore banned (the words and phrases they don’t like be damned and ignored).
    If we had a just and competent judiciary, BATF’s arbitrary and capricious bullsh*t would surely be found to be violative of the letter and spirit of the law and would certainly fail. But we unfortunately don’t have that. We have the “Homeland”. We have massive NSA spying. We have blackmail. We have a dystopian, post-constitutional wasteland run by madmen. We have a lawless, third-world banana republic.

  37. Please take a couple of minutes to read through this. Stop arguing over the small things and try to look at and to understand the bigger picture.

    I really wish that all fellow gun owners (like you that are reading this) would once and for all wake up and stop referring to a “Second Amendment Right” as if this writing was the source of your Right to keep and bear arms. The purpose of the Second Amendment was not to give you permission to own a gun as this and all our other established and recognized Rights DO NOT come from government, but rather from GOD. Remember those famous words written by the founding fathers, “We hold these truths to be self evident…”

    And so the purpose of the Constitution and its Amendments was not to provide us with any Rights, but rather to acknowledge the Rights we already have from birth and to limit and restrict the power of government so that government could not interfere or “infringe” upon these Rights. The Second Amendment “protects” our Right to keep and bear arms… it does not provide us with this Right!

    It is vitally important that you understand that government can not grant you any Rights, government can only grant privileges, which they can then also take away. We must not fall into the trap of referring to our Rights as somehow coming form government because to do so then converts them to government regulated privileges… and which is exactly what we are witnessing today.

    Under the Rule of Law, our Constitution is the “Supreme Law of the Land” and if government or any group wishes to do something which affects our Rights, they must first apply the rule of law and make the appropriate change to the Constitution via an amendment. A presidential executive order or an act of Congress will simply not do… it must be via a formal change to the Constitution.

    While Evils Are Sufferable…Criminal Activity in Public Office is Not!

    We have seen this in our US history such as with the banning of alcohol during the Prohibition era which was only made possible because of the passage of the 18th Amendment. And when they finally decided that Prohibition was a bad idea and needed to reverse it, neither a simple presidential executive order nor an act of Congress would do. Ending Prohibition required the passage of yet another amendment, the 21st Amendment. And why was this? Because with the passage of the 18th Amendment, Prohibition was now at that time the “Supreme Law of the Land” and only with another amendment could this change to end Prohibition be possible.

    There are other examples such as the fact that presidential inaugurations for newly elected presidents today take place in January. But this is only because of the 20th Amendment which brought about a formal change from the established date of March 4th which had been the date for all presidents to be sworn into office up until Franklin Roosevelt in 1933.

    The Rule of Law in these matters is simple. It takes a formal change via a constitutional amendment to affect any change to a provision, requirement, or Right that is recognized and established within our U.S. Constitution in order to make any such change “lawful” (and if not clear to you please look up the difference between “legal” and lawful”). And please understand that this belief is not my notion, but rather the directed rulings from the highest courts in the land, including the United States Supreme Court. See below:

    “The Constitution of these United States is the supreme law of the land. Any law that is repugnant to the Constitution is null and void of law.” – Marbury v. Madison, 5 US 137

    Additionally, “An unconstitutional act is not law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties; affords no protection; it creates no office; it is in legal contemplation, as inoperative as though it had never been passed.” – Norton v. ShelbyCounty, 118 U.S. 425 p.442

    “Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them.” – Miranda vs. Arizona, 384 US 436 p. 491

    Constitutional Right – A right guaranteed to the citizens by the Constitution and so guaranteed as to prevent legislative interference therewith. – Delaney v. Plunkett, 146 Ga. 547, 91 S. E. 561, 567, L. R. A. 1917D, 926, Ann. Cas. 1917E, 685. – Black’s Law Dictionary, 3rd Edition

    The Constitution is a legal binding contract between the government and its employer (the American people). The U. S. Supreme Court was right when it said, “The Constitution is a written instrument and as such its meaning does not alter, that which it meant when it was adopted, it means now!” – U.S. vs. South Carolina (1905)

    “The claim and exercise of a Constitutional (guaranteed) right cannot be converted into a crime”. – Miller v US, 230 Fed 486,489

    ”No State shall convert a liberty into a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefore.” – Murdock v. Pennsylvania, 319 US 105

    ”There can be no sanction or penalty imposed upon one because of this exercise of constitutional rights.” – Sherer v. Cullen, 481 F 946

    ”If the State converts a right (liberty) into a privilege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right (liberty) with impunity.” – Shuttlesworth v. City of Birmingham Alabama, 373 US 262

    Posse Comitatus. Latin. “The power or force of the county. The entire population of a county above the age of fifteen, which a sheriff may summon to his assistance in certain cases, as to aid him in keeping the peace, in pursuing and arresting felons, etc.” – Williams v. State, 253 Ark. 973, 490 S.W.2d 117, 121.” Black’s Law Dictionary 6th Ed. 1990

    The Founding Documents, including our Constitution, does not grant us any Rights. These documents simply recognize and acknowledge that we are all born with certain natural and inalienable Rights. It was well understood, and since then established, that the intended purpose of the Constitution and the first Ten Amendments was to declare that these stated and other inherent human Rights were to be deemed outside of the reach of government meddling and interference and that accordingly, these founding documents were intended to limit the reach and power of both the newly created federal government as well as the state and local governments. It is also very important to make mention of and to note here that Individual Freedom and Liberty goes well beyond the written words contained within these documents.

    Why are we seeing all of these attacks on our freedoms and liberties?

    “It is the very nature of power that it attracts the very sort of people who should not have it. The United States, as the world’s last superpower, is a prize that attracts men and women willing to do anything to win that power, and hence are willing to do anything with it once they have it. It is racist to assume that tyrants appear only in other nations and that somehow America is immune simply because we’re Americans. America has escaped the clutches of a dictatorship only through the efforts of those citizens who, unlike the Germans and Russians of the 1930s, have the moral courage to stand up and point out where the government is lying to the people.” ~ Michael Rivero

    “Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both.” – Frederick Douglass

    And so in summary, absent a constitutional amendment, our full and complete right to keep and bear arms shall not, and can not be, lawfully infringed upon. ‘Legally’, under color of law, they do many things. But under a “lawful” action with true fidelity to our U.S. Constitution, our Rights can not be infringed upon. Not by the federal government, and not by any state or local government. There can be no doubt that the American people have the lawful Right to arm themselves in the manner they best see fit and to the highest level of available technology in order to preserve their freedom by having the means by which to defend themselves against not only a foreign invading enemy, but also against any domestic threat, including one from a government that may seek to morph into a dictatorship and turn tyrannical in its nature.

    What’s the thing to do? Well for one, please begin by educating yourself and try to gain a better understanding (and appreciation) of our Constitutional Republic. Read and look up some history, some true history, not what is taught in our public ‘indoctrination’ school system. Stop supporting so called “Gun Rights” groups (including the well known ones such as the NRA which supported both the 1934 NFA and the Gun Control Act of 1968) as these groups are no doubt “Controlled Opposition” intended to calm the masses and to pacify us with negotiated settlements on our behalf that have left us all with a very watered down version of the Second Amendment that imposes upon us a host of ridiculous and insane gun control laws which make no sense, are totally ineffective at curtailing crime, and only serve to further the agenda “they” have of abolishing all individual gun Rights of the American law abiding citizens.

    It is time that the real fight be fought and by that I mean a real legal argument in our highest court to once and for all settle the matter that the Rule of Law must be followed and that without first amending the Constitution, the Second Amendment stands as written and as part of the Supreme Law of the Land without any change or alteration to its original and intended meaning. And that as written, “the Right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” means just that. And therefore, any and all gun control laws passed at the federal, state and local levels are null and void as, “An unconstitutional act is not law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties; affords no protection; it creates no office; it is in legal contemplation, as inoperative as though it had never been passed.” – Norton v. ShelbyCounty, 118 U.S. 425 p.442.

    “In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, Brave, Hated, and Scorned. When his cause succeeds however, the timid join him, For then it costs nothing to be a Patriot.” – Mark Twain

    Yours In Defense of Freedom & Liberty,

    AC

    1. Extremely well thought out and written. The best way to cook a frog is not to throw him into a pot of boiling water (he will immediately jump out) but to put him in a pot of tepid water and gradually increase the heat until he is ready to be devoured. This is the incrementalism being practiced by those who seek to destroy our constitutional protections.

  38. Please follow the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment , don’t do this to the country that voted for Obama who took an oath to the Constitution. Please allow us to have the ammo needed as the head of Fraternal Order of Police said that this ammo has never killed a law enforcement officer and should not be illegal. Thanks for listening to my very important words.I totally believe that out For father’s gave us the document to live by.
    God Bless America!
    Irv

    1. spoken like a true “happy slave”. Asking an incompetent foreigner for permission to do anything. The sooner you idiots realize what disHonest Abe Lincoln did to the republic 150 years ago, you just might give up the luxury of being cowards to the sissies & perverts of planet earth. I blame not the evil man for what he does. I blame the coward for NOT doing anything to stop him. The coming chaos will fix a lot of this, soon !

    2. the same goes for all you idiots that were crying “wait till November”. YOUR LIBERTY can NEVER come from that wicked city or any politician. Only REAL MEN deserve LIBERTY. GOD will never trust it to cowards ! GROW A PAIR !

  39. My name is James T Morales Sr. I am a 13 yr veteran of the Corpus Christi Police Dept and a Veteran of the United States Marine Corps. For the past 21 years I have had the privilege of protecting my country and my community. I never thought I a million years that I would have to fight to protect my rights to possess arms as a UNITED STATES CITIZEN.

    Mr. Obama, if want to control the very arms that protect this country and YOU, control the ones that are in the hands of the evil people”the bad guys”that walk the very earth that you and I walk. In my opinion you are crossing the line by wanting to strip the very tools that NEED to protect the U.S., my community and my family. By stripping ammunition from those of us that are disciplined and trained to handle these types of products, you limit my ability to maintain my level of training to be able to protect my fellow officers as well as
    myself. You should remember those who voted you into office, it is the same people that showed confidence in you to make as you called it, CHANGE! This type if decision making is not the change we need, we need you to focus on taking care of us before you take of others that are not even apart of the U.S. you are so quick as to give trillions of dollars to other countries, but you have allowed the U.S. to suffer in economic crisis and now you want to strip us of our ammunition with no cause. In my opinion you have it all wrong Sir. Maybe you should consider educating the U.S. citizens on how to follow the laws of the states that have been put in place by our legislature and strengthen the laws that allow the bad guys to possess weapons that kill children, cops, citizens and most of all veterans that lay their lives down daily to stand for what they believe in, the very RIGHTS that you to are supposed to protect.

    Thank you,
    MARINE1

  40. IT SURE DOES LOOK AND IS A DICTATOR SHIP TO ME.. GREEN TIPPED BULLETS ARE NOT ARMOR PIERCING ROUNDS. AT ALL. IT IS JUST AN EXCUSE TO BAN AND CONFISCATE WEAPONS, IF I HAVE TO ,I WILL SURRENDER MY AMMO FIRST,,, AS FAST AS THEY EXIT THE BARREL 40 YEARS AGO I TOOK THE OATH TO PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES FROM FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC ENEMIES , I WILL KEEP THIS OATH AND DO JUST THAT UNTIL THE DAY I DIE.. CASE CLOSED

  41. Senator Dan Coats
    To greg edwards Mar 6 at 6:13 PM

    Dear Greg:

    Thank you for contacting me regarding the proposed ban on certain ammunition by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). I appreciate this opportunity to respond.

    The Law Enforcement Officers Protection Act of 1985 (LEOPA) intended to ban “armor piercing” ammunition (AP ammo) to protect police from harm. However, rifle ammunition used for recreational purposes can penetrate soft body armor. Subsequently, the ATF interpreted LEOPA to exempt rifle ammunition used for “sporting purpose s ” from the definition of AP ammo. Since 1986, this exemption has included 7N6 rifle ammunition and M855 ball ammunition.

    Having tried and failed to enact an outright ban on the AR-15 rifle, the Obama Administration now appears to be attempting to make it obsolete by banning some of the most common rifle ammunition on the market. On February 13, 2015, the ATF issued a report that proposed to ban M855 ball ammunition by classifying it as AP ammo.

    Should the ATF ban be approved, the sale of commonly sold rifle ammunition used by gun owners for hunting, target shooting, and self-defense will be prohibited. The ban would suppress usage of AR-15s and other .223 caliber general purpose rifles by outlawing the most popular ammunition in the United States.

    Several of my colleagues and I have sent a letter to th e ATF expressing our concerns regarding the ammunition ban and encouraging the ATF to withdraw its proposal. I continue to hold to my oath to support and defend our nation’s Constitution. I will not support any legislation or regulations that would undermine the Second Amendment. I am a proud supporter of gun rights and will oppose any gun control measure such as this that infringes upon ownership rights for responsible, law abiding citizens. I will be sure to keep your concerns about ATF regulations in mind should the Senate consider legislation addressing the agency.

    Thank you again for contacting me, and please do not hesitate to do so in the future on other matters of concern to you.

    Sincerely,

    Dan Coats
    United States Senator

  42. President Obama’s

    “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”
    —Presidential oath of office, Article II, Section 1, United States Constitution.this is agreement between the government and the people of the united states of america. he has try time after time to change the constitution. When a contract is executed, it is signed by all parties

    i believe he has broken the contract therefore he is no longer the president of the united states of america.

    Essential elements of a valid contract is the The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”.

    1. i stopped reading when you said he’s no longer the President. You are the type of gun owner that gives the rest of us a horrible image. I’m a huge supporter of gun rights and I’m totally against any gun control. Please, before you make statements think about what your saying. It’s really one of the most outlandish comments I’ve heard anyone make and I’ve heard some beauties

    2. I tend to rely more on FACTS. His birth certificate is a fraud, he is a fraud, and the elected officials that cash a government paycheck without doing the job they swore an oath to should ALL be arrested for fraud. IF you don’t agree to the laws of the land, your land will soon be lawless…..and laid waste. Amerika is the Evil Empire today. WE support communism round the world. WE will get just what we deserve. CHAOS Never forget comrade, GOD is watching. So am I ! Off with their heads ! Bunch of cowards…

    3. once he showed his true colors as an extremist and the highest ranking racist in America I have no longer personally considered him to be my president either. He has no regard for the Constitution will do rule of law for the people who elected him to office. he is just an executive order dictator until he is escorted out of the White House for the last time. I had high hopes for him to bring this country together he has failed in every measure I’ve been changing that task. I have had friends of different races for 20 and 30 years for now convinced that I am a recipient I’m quite privileged and deep down a racist he has won several friendships and set back race relations in this country 50 years. sadly he could have pick up for Martin Luther King left off and made this nation greater than any of our expectations. and maybe it will be to him Eric Holder and Sharpton the rest of us honest sincere Americans have to pick up the pieces and move on.

  43. An Empire, which most assuredly U.S. has long since become since its founding, does not obey the laws of minor nations and men; No it creates them and if during its operations it finds any old laws or cultural restrictions that conflict the Empire and its administrators intents, it merely abrogates them.
    You wish to petition, present a supplication or prayer for relief not of a law being burdemsome but the witholding of the Emporers favor in that he no longer wants to release surplus bullets, good luck.
    On bended knees heads bowed and arms held out palms up in hopes of recieving alms, in obeyance try the Catholic form of begging, noveday, nine days, Maybe that will prove how pious you are towards their reign.

  44. Unfortunately, I’m afraid it’s going to come down to a part of the Second Amendment that the dictatorship (I mean government) is trying to get rid of our guns for in the first place, before all is said and done. Paraphrasing, the part I’m referring to is the one touching on “deterring a tyrannical government”. From where I’m sitting, it keeps looking more and more like that’s what we’re dealing with, and they want to disarm the people so they can continue to do WHATEVER they want, without any fear of an uprising. If they take our guns (or ammo, which is effectively the same), that pretty much puts the nail in the coffin on freedom. From that point on, there is no real, legitimate way to prevent a literal dictatorship takeover, and no longer a reason for the government to at least think about the repercussions of stealing whatever freedoms we actually have left by that point. If it ever gets to that point, it’s over. So long USA… Hello USSR/North Korea part 2.

    1. even after 150 years of history after the republic was crushed, you still think the tyrannical government is not in place ? When a government can steal HALF of what you produce ? Take 55% of what is left when you die ? WHAT THE HELL MORE PROOF DO YOU NEED ? Maybe you name gave it away…FED. Are you a yankee bastard ? Or just a friend to the Kenyan way of life ?

  45. we as Americans need to take a stand for our rights not just for us but for future generations. when and if they come to my home for my guns I will have no choice but TO LET THEM HAVE THEM ONE BULLET AT A TIME.

  46. Well, Scott and Jim, the real question to consider is this: what will you do — what will you really do — when that Hum V comes for your neighbor? Our perception of the Pledge of Allegiance, the National Anthem, the Constitution, etc. inspires us to swell with pride… until we have to sacrifice. In a reasonably free country, your neighbors would never let you fight that Hum V alone… We might now be living instead in a country where your neighbor will say, “Whew! Glad they didn’t come for me! That guy must’ve done something to deserve this.”

    1. Well Jeremiah, When I enlisted in the U.S. Army half a century ago I took an oath to protect the Constitution of the United States from all enemies, foreign and domestic. I still hold that oath to be binding on my honor as a man. I realized at the time that the U.S. Army was asking me to agree to put an invisible “E for expendable” on my chest and I still raised my hand and took the oath. I can’t speak for the courage and dedication of any other person but I personally know of hundreds of like minded individuals who value freedom over tyranny and would gives their lives, if necessary, in the cause of liberty.

    2. I suspected as much about you when I posted that, Jim. I, too, have taken that oath. Also, I have two brothers who are retired AF officers — one a combat veteran who was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross. But I am certain that they would not honor their officer’s oath if they had to do it against our military, alone, in a residential neighborhood, at the risk of their large homes and family well-being, when that Hum V came in the night for their neighbor. And that officer’s oath specifically requires taking up arms when necessary, even against other and higher-ranking military commanders, all the way to the top, to protect the Constitution… I also suspect that you and I both know many others who likewise wouldn’t take that stand for their neighbor, and it seems to me to be headed that direction more and more with the average American.

      I am thankful that you are not average. I hope you are my neighbor.

    3. In March of 1836, 179 Texans, Tejanos, and Texicans held off an army of battle hardened Mexican regulars numbering several thousands for 13 days. They died to the man but bought time for Sam Houston to gather and train an army of 800 who on April 21, 1836 decisively defeated Santa Anna and his army taking him captive. Men of honor who have pledged their fortunes and lives to preserve liberty often prevail over the paid lackeys of some petty tyrant. I don’t know where your neighborhood is but I hope it is in Texas.

    4. No (almost, though — we drive over there regularly for youth baseball tournaments), but one of those older brothers of mine does live in Texas. The other more decorated one, predictably in Virginia.

  47. the sad part about it is once obamma gets out of office he will be served papers to go in front of a grand jury and thein he will have to figure out what he did wrong or he will best just leave the country and not return thats what i hope for

  48. While I agree with all the prior comments, no one has mentioned that if the Second Amendment falls, all of the others will also fall in short order. Every attempt, no matter how small, to reduce the rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment must be fought at every level of government for the sake of our children, grandchildren, and in my case great-grandchildren. Call, write to, and email every politician that is supposed to represent you, and get everyone you know to do the same.

  49. Don’t tread on me. Not only is it a violation of our second amendment rights. It’s a violation of common sense.
    It’s not guns that kill people. People kill people. Guns are just a tool. Any tool mishandled is going to hurt or kill someone.

  50. Well since the POTUS wants to ban ammo from law abiding citizens and grant amnesty to illegal immigrants, i would say this country is going backwards,not forward.I think Obama just sealed the deal for a Democrat becoming the next President in 2 years since i used to vote Democrat but i will no longer.Trying to ban guns and ammo only takes them out of the hands of law abiding citizens because the bad guys buy them on the streets not at the stores.He tried banning AR 15’s years ago and failed so now he’s going after the ammo.The reason the POTUS is doing this now is simple-It’s his last 2 years as President and he has nothing to lose.So that’s where the Democratic politics come in and he’s going to try every Executive Order he can,which is illegal because Congress makes law not the President.I think if your Democrat or Republican U(We The People)need to wake up and say the Government works for us and we follow The Constitution Of The United States.

  51. is the m855 and the s109 considered steel core or green tip ammo, Does that leave lead core FMJ out of the ban? I have owned a .223 for 30 years and ran thru thousands of rds and never fired a steel core bullet. Even if a so called ban went into place, A ban imposed by a runaway president that effects millions of gun owners certainly can be reversed. Just as he side steps the constitutional laws so can any president. law enforcement is no way for this ban, because when they retire the law will also apply to them also.

  52. I am 64 and never in my wildest dreams would have thought my country would be almost belly up!! Our only hope is that the young folks wake up soon to our ”OUT OF CONTROL” government!!!

  53. I am a law binding citizen. I would like to know what you like to do in your past time so we can pass a law to take your rights away from you. we gun touting bible reading people have the right to pursue your second amendment rights. Just remember we the people vote they were voted in and be voted out

  54. Do not allow anyone to legislate against Americans legal possession of 223 ammo or AR-15 rifles
    I am a retired Police officer and loved it when crooks were deterred by weapon toting citizens using legal tools to defend themselves, friends, or someone else.
    If you had seen how many people would call 911 for help and police arrive too late.
    If these citizens did not have the right to posses certain weapons or ammo we have then reduced their ability to defend themselves.

  55. I don’t know about you guys but what about us guys have just regular .223 rifles. I’m not talking about a black gun just rifle hunting rifle. This country was based upon the Second Amendment and that’s why we have a free country we have today is because of the Second Amendment. I think we all need to start waking up and start seeing what this man is done to our country and if necessary take The steps we need to take to continue not only our legacy but our country’s legacy. The Constitution is that legacy that I am talking about. This is just my opinion but I still believe the Constitution has very much relevancy today as it did when they wrote it.

    1. I truly don’t know what all the real fuss is over the M855 round. Reading other articles ans papers on this issue most of the officers that put in their say are the ones saying that the .223 round is not the one they worry about due to its hard to conceal that size of a gun. Then looking and reading more the main round every one talks about is the .223 remington round most of the Commerical produced AR-15 are chamber in .223 which can not fire the M855 round. The M855 is 5.56×45 round which is actually a differant size then the 223 and can cause a jam in the barrel or even worse a fatial accident which could be major damage or even death

    2. William, contrary to your belief, many if not most AR-15s currently in production are chambered to accept either the .223 Remington or the 5.56x45mm cartridge without any problems. The differences in the shell casings are minimal with the main problem arising out of the chamber pressure registered by one loading over another. I have experience none of the problems you mentioned and know of no fatalities. Of course, I’ve only been shooting these bullets for forty years so what do I know.

  56. Be carful, some of us might be called citizen extremist, according to commi CNN. We might have our doors kicked in for the safety of others. Can’t wait to see a up armored Humvee with 50 cal on top outside my house soon to escort me to a reeducation camp.

    1. Well, Scott, they will still have to get out of that up-armored Humvee with 50 cal to come kick in your door to get you. Emiliano Zapata, a Mexican Patriot, said “It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.”

  57. A bullit is a bullit is a bullit. This ignorant bassard in office is the dumbest S.O.B I’ve almost ever seen. This country has had WAY better presidents shot for less stupid doings! Has our (so called) mighty government forgotten all our founding fathers & tens of tens of thousands of countrymen fought & died for!! LIBERTY, FREEDOM??? I’m ready for the big rising, history will repeat itself!! KEEP IT UP DC!! The working class is fed up with your tax thriving arses??
    “If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns” And you will only get mine from my cold dead hands!

  58. Fortunately I have 10,000 rounds re loadable, the projectiles and powder to reload. I’m sure the majority of the owners of the AR are with me.

    Don

  59. ya ,he wants to band ammo why , all the bad guys will still get it ,so why punish the good people for what the crooks are doing !!!!!!! we need stand up and fight for are right !!!!!!

  60. Specifically; “a proposal by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms which would ban the sale of 5.56 caliber SS109 and M855 “green tip” ammunition commonly used in the modular AR-15 platform semi-automatic rifles. Originally developed for military purposes and capable of penetrating body armor . . . Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/news/business/article12456158.html#storylink=cpy
    The problem with you overstating the proposal and implying that the ATF is trying to ban ALL .223/5.56 ammunition is that you lose credibility – and come off as rightwing wackos – which does not strengthen your arguments (except with like minded conspiracy theorist). Instead of running in circles and yelling the sky is falling, give me some good reason to keep green-tip available other than ‘it is my god given right to have any kinda weapon I want, even a bazooka (I use it for hunting you know). You want green-tip, then offer something in exchange, like mental health reviews for gun buyers. No more Sandy Hooks.

    1. Well Rusty, the next thing they’ll want to ban is all other forms of 5.56/.223 ammo. Then they’ll go for all .45 and all magnum ammo ( gee all of a sudden they ban much shotgun, .22 rimfire, & .17 rimfire ammo ). The administration has already stopped the only lead mine/smelter left in the US last year. Green tip isn’t the first casualty in this.

    2. Rusty,

      The problem isn’t ” rightwing whackos” as you call them/us, it is ignorant lemmings like you that elect these gun-grabbing turds to office.

      Anything that comes out of an AR platform rifle will penetrate soft body armor worn by the police, not just M855 green tip ammo!

      If you read the law passed by congress that bans armor piercing handgun gun ammo you will find that the M855 doesn’t qualify as armor-piercing, even if shot out of a handgun, which very little M855 ammo ever is.

      If they are allowed to get away with banning M855 ammo they can ban any ammo they want, because they are making the law up as they go.

      This isn’t about 223/5.56 ammo, this is a test case to see what he can get away with!

      Any police officer will tell you that soft body armor is designed to stop ‘most’ medium caliber handgun ammo like the 38, 9mm, etc. There is a whole bunch of larger caliber common handgun ammo it won’t stop. You need to learn what you are talking about before you spout off.

  61. The exemption for the SS109 and M855 ammunition has already been removed from the 2014 ATF Requlation Guide that was printed in September of 2014 and issued in January 2015, prior to the alleged framework change put out for comment in February of this year to define these bullets as armor piercing. (Section 10, General page 190 of 237) The ATF claims it is a publishing error, but I find that highly unlikely as someone would have had to purposely remove the exemption section in its entirety, and then 5 months later come up with a proposed regulation change to do what has already been done.

    ATF document here:
    http://www.atf.gov/sites/default/files/assets/Library/Publications/atf_p5300.4_federal_firearms_regulations_reference_guide_2014-edition.pdf

  62. Well I’m a moderate by heart, and not biased by political banter. The right to own, bear arms, and the right to form and train a militia has always and shall always be a constitutional right. Thomas Jefferson also noted to say the 2nd amendment is the only ammendment that shall never need to be worried over as if threatened will swiftly be defended with arms! As far as the political banter, Obama did not come up with the idea to take your ammo. This has been an agenda of the political aristocracy, both repubs and dems, for a few decades. H. W. Bush in his inaugural speach spoke plain and clear about cutting military spending to include a 50 percent reduction in all branches of the military, and those cuts were to include weapons of all shape and size. The Reagan Era focused on cutting out military typed weapons to the public and manditory background checks under the Brady act, Clinton reutilized the bill and expand upon on it to include the norinco firearms to stop money from our country, pouring into the Chinese arsenal funds, etc. Etc. Etc.. As Americans let’s put the blame where it belongs on our own backs for allowing the top 2 percentile, to govern the 98%, and stop bit chin about it and do something other than separatist propaganda and name calling. Vote farmer Brown, or Suze homemaker, and kick both right and left politicians out, and put hard working middle class Americans where they belong running things. After all its the middle class that pays for it all!

  63. Well I’m a moderate by heart, and not biased by political banter. The right to own, bear arms, and the right to format and train a militia has always and shall always be a constitutional right. Thomas Jefferson also noted to say the 2nd amendment is the only ammendment that shall never need to be worried over as if threatened will swiftly be defended with arms! As far as the political banter, Obama did not come up with the idea to take your ammo. This has been an agenda of the political aristocracy, both repubs and dems, for a few decades. H. W. Bush in his inaugural space spoke plain and clear about cutting military spending to include a 50 percent reduction in all beaches of the military, and those cuts were to include weapons of all shape and size. The Reagan Era focused on cutting out military typed weapons to the public and mandi tory background checks under the Brady act, Clinton reutilized the bill and expand upon on it to include the nor info firearms to stop money from our country from pouring into the Chinese arsenal funds, etc. Etc. Etc.. As Americans let’s put the blame where it belongs on our own backs for allowing the top 2 percentile, to govern the 98%, and stop bit chin about it and do something other than separatist propaganda and name calling. Vote farmer Brown, or Suze homemaker, and kick both right and left politicians out, and put hard working middle class Americans where they belong running things. After all its the middle class that pays for it all!

  64. it’s a proven fact, no cop has ever been killed with an AR , and cops that agree with the ban, also say it will not keep it out of criminals hands.

  65. So, the comment above makes it through your moderation process and strict comment regulations? Lls. What a joke

  66. The biggest challenge of all will be to convince the entitlement voters that voting for Democrats in lock-step is not in their best interests…..based on the incompetent strategies of the Republican Party, we are in deep trouble – wake up everyone, hold your nose, and vote for any Tom, Dick, Harry, or Jane that opposes the communist takeover of our country!

  67. The only thing this president is zealous for is to fund the slaughter of the unborn, spending as much money as possible, promoting every wicked sexual life style! and oh yes, Taking our guns away. Remember every dictatorship & communist takeover of a country is to: Point one: TAKE THE GUNS FROM THE PEOPLE! THIS IS HISTORY FOLKS AND ITS ABOUT TO REPEAT IT SELF. May I leave you with the words of a WW2 tryrant. “Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or SA – ordinary citizens dont need guns, as their having guns doesnt serve the State” Heinrick Himmler; Reichsfuhrer -SS WILL THE UNITED STATES BE NEXT?

  68. No one is trying kill the cops but they are running scared because of the way they treat WE THE PEOPLE they are using every excuse they can to take away our guns this MUSLUM never should of became President! 1st thing is he’s for EVERYTHING GODS against and he is DESTROYING THIS NATION as we speak!!!!!!!!!!!

  69. In the words of General Patton… Politicians are the lowest form of life on Earth, and liberal democrats are the lowest form of politician.

  70. I don’t think most criminals would be using a pistol that could fire rifle caliber bullets. The guns are not easily concealed. And would bring attention to them. Not what they want.
    This action is nothing but a thinly veiled attempted to ban the ownership of firearms by the public.
    One of Hitlers first orders. Then the citizens of Germany couldn’t fight back.
    HAIL OBAMA!

  71. It my understanding that the comment period is a farce. The BATFE rules and regulations came out in January 2015 and in those regulations, the SS109/M855 exception is no longer there. This has already happened and the 30 day public comment period is a lie.

  72. speak up loud and clear . Let these liberal commie know that we are not going to up with this. remember it is We the people, not someone in DC. When the times comes , crash there servers with e mail , and let your reps know just how you feel. In 2014 there over 31 million license to hunt deer sold all of us to speak up.
    Give to groups if you can , Like NRA and others to win this fight, remember it is all about our 2nd Ad. rights.

  73. When it comes to politicians, we all have learned to “follow the money”.
    The price of ammo is rising in some areas; just like the cost of AR’s on the last “ban” scare. I wonder how many politicians profited. Are they buying stocks in companies, causing controversy to raise the price, and then dumping their stocks?

  74. It is not so much for the sake of protecting the M855/SS109 round itself that we must fight this insidious action by the obamaATF, but because of the premise upon which their action is presumed to be justified. They wish to ban this cartridge on the basis that it will protect policemen because the cartridge can be fired from a handgun and can penetrate common body armor worn by law enforcement personnel. If this reasoning is allow to become the basis for classifying ammunition available for civilian use, then EVERY type of rifle ammunition, including common hunting rounds that have been in use for a century, can be banned. Any rifle cartridge, regardless of the makeup of its bullet, has the power to penetrate common police body vests. In 1963, Remington Arms began production of the single-shot, bolt action, XP100 available in ten rifle calibers for handgun hunters. In 1967, Thompson Center began production of the Contender pistol currently available in any rifle caliber you desire. In 1997, Savage Arms began production of the Stryker bolt action pistol available for six popular rifle cartridges. Therefore, using the ATF’s false safety premise, all rifle hunting ammunition is “Cop Killer” ammunition and can be banned. This proposed action is nothing less than a cheap, clumsy attempt to disarm the American public thinly disguised as a public safety gesture when it is, in truth, a violation of the Second Amendment. .

    1. Jim, best summation (notwithstanding the erroneous BATF’s classification leap) to date. I’ve taken the liberty of posting it on my Facebook page.

      Thanks

    2. Wake up Americans! This so called “cop killer” bullet is just another foot in the door for an out of control government to eventually ban all ammunition..but the “king” and his merry band of followers would love to see good Americans totally dis-armed. We need to make a stand Now or risk losing all that we have fought for and in particular the entire Second Amendment! Make the calls and let your voice be heard. Keep freedom alive. Ask for the statistics of the so called “cops being killed” with this terrible AR ammo! I personally am sick and tired of these “back-door” attempts of the “King” trying to make America a third world country. What next, a ban on butter knives? I am fed up!

    3. Well stated, Jim, and very truthful. Your comment is, exactly, on target.
      The bans will not stop at just the rifle rounds, either. In time, other types of ammunition will fall under the same false logic.

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