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Can We Stop the Ban on Russian 7N6 5.45×39?

Picture shows a man shouldering an AK-74 rifle.

In 1993, Olympic Arms created what they claim was only a prototype of an AR-15 pistol chambered in 7.62x39mm, the model OA-93. When word got out they were developing the pistol, the gun community was quick to tell them to stop. While at the 1994 SHOT Show, Olympic Arms unveiled the pistol. Olympic Arms was quick to claim the company was not “in the ammunition business and unaware of a problem.” Very shortly after, the ATF banned the importation of steel core 7.62x39mm ammunition. Another controversial company came under fire in July of 2011—Elite Ammunition. The ATF paid a visit to this ammunitions company, the only other company—at the time—producing 5.7x28mm ammo. The company’s products, machines and computers were confiscated. Elite Ammunition, making bullets very similar to Barnes’ solid copper bullets, told by the ATF its .223 Remington, 6.5 Grendel and 6.8 SPC bullets classified as armor piercing. Because of this raid, the Barnes .223 caliber non-hollow point Banded Solid bullet is still unavailable. While Barnes is currently still awaiting approval for exemptions on many of its caliber bullets, they are not seeking an exemption for the .223—clearly marked an armor piercing round by the ATF because of its construction.

Picture shows a man shouldering an AK-74 rifle.
Shooting your AK-74 used to be cheap, but maybe not anymore. Photo courtesy of Jonathan Mallard
Since 1986, the ATF has defined armor piercing ammunition as “a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium” or “a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.” This is where the rules regarding armor piercing ammunition gets very convoluted. Six months after the raid on Elite Ammunition, the Bureau started accepting public comments regarding the possibility of relaxing the agency’s definition of armor piercing ammunition. If the attorney general finds bullets mainly used for sporting purposes, that round may be exempt from the ban, such as the case of certain 5.56 NATO rounds.

Further, regular folks can purchase, sell, own and shoot armor piercing ammo, but an FFL holder may not. Nor may armor-piercing ammunition be imported. PA Gun blog writer “Sebastian,” wrote in 2007, “The regulation on armor piercing ammo are among the strangest of the federal firearms regulations.” Around March 25, 2014, an unconfirmed story broke that the BATFE had banned any further imports on steel core 5.45×39 ammo, not because of the politics and sanctions surrounding Russia, but because someone made a handgun for the round, automatically qualifying 5.45x39mm 7N6 as “armor piercing.” If the ban actually happens, for those of you who love your Krink or AK-74 because of the availability of super cheap Russian ammo, we can now expect prices on U.S. made non-steel core 5.45x39mm to match or even exceed 5.56mm.

Apparently, there is no official word yet—that I can find—from BATFE that there is a ban. The gun blogger who broke the story, received information from an ammunition importer who’s Form 6 went unapproved. After inquiring about the delay, the importer reportedly got back a letter from the ATF stating the ammo had been banned. A photo of the letter posted on The Bang Switch, the Military Arms Channel’s blog reads, “A handgun has now been manufactured that chambers the 5.45×39 round. That now makes steel core 5.45×39 armor piercing under our definition.” Rumor has it since there is no official ruling yet, an exemption is still possible for the 5.45×39. Allegedly, even Arizona Congressman Matt Salmon is demanding answers from the ATF.

We might be able to save 7N6! I am joining the Bang Switch’s fight and asking you, the firearms community to do the same. Contact your representatives and tell them how 7N6 5.45 is a sporting cartridge and the ban needs reversing.

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Comments (47)

  1. active police officers should also have their say in this. because after you retire you also will be subjected to these changes.

  2. I wouldn’t worry to much about Putin,we f**k with other countries more than the Russians do. Don’t outlaw guns,outlaw shooting people,( who aren’t trying to kill you ).The US has no problem arming combatants all over the world,but they have a problem with American citizens having guns.You want a gun? Any gun? Any ammo? Work for a muslim terror group,a South American dictator or a drug cartel and you can get guns easily from American anti-gun presidents.

  3. I have an easy common sense law.If you shoot a police officer,( with ANY bullet ), ( except in self defense against an officer by a law abiding citizen who is threatened with unlawful malicious attack upon them by a corrupt police officer ) ,that person should face a minimum 20 years,no plea bargain,no parole, no reduction in time served. 20 to life depending on the severity of the police officer’s wounds.The death of the officer brings mandatory life,no exceptions or death. It doesn’t matter what type of bullet,magazine or gun that the criminal shot the police officer with,the shooter is punished for shooting the police officer and that officer’s wounds not for having a particular firearm or ammo.The lawabiding American citizens can shoot whatever they want.

  4. Given the revanchist foreign policy of Russia, I’d think that American shooters would rather buy US ammo than giving money to Putin and his puppets in Serbia and Luhansk.

  5. isn’t the 7n6 bullet exactly a 22 caliber? I thought the rules specifically stated that an armor piercing round must be over a 22cal

    1. Right Nathan,
      The BATFE is intentionally misinterpreting the law, using circular logic.
      They are claiming that if someone, somwhere in the world, makes a firearm, which they consider to be a handgun, which is capable of firing the round, that the ammunition is retroactively an magically converted from rifle ammunition to handgun ammunition. However, the bullet in question is not a solid bullet made of one of the specified alloys.

  6. Exactly my point. The ATF is intentionally violating Supreme Court Precedent in maliciously misinterpreting the wording of the law, contrary to the legislative intent.
    I believe that they are claiming that the term”Projectice core” refers to the steel core inside the bullet, as opposed to the legislative intent to refer to the “Projectile Core” as the metal portion of a Teflon coated, solid bullet, like the KTW. That is why the subsequent section specifically mentions a full jacketed projectile.

  7. Correct me if I’m wrong here, but doesn’t essentially ALL 5.56 ammo, even the tiny 55gr XM-193 copper jacketed Ball, penetrate 3A soft armor…even when fired out of a 7″ barrel? Aren’t AR-15 pistols still legal? Aren’t XM-855 ‘penetrator’ steel core rounds still perfectly legal?

    So what is with this weird ‘selective enforcement’ BS? Or is this just a ‘nose of the camel’ kind of thing? You know, “let’s start by trying to ban THIS round and see how much push back we get. Then we’ll ban THAT round, etc., etc…”

    1. The law in question was passed to ban the importation of pistol ammunition designed to penetrate metal car bodies and laminated glass. It has nothing to do with body armor or rifle ammunition of any kind. 9mm KTW Teflon coated ammunition, fired from a 12″ sub-machinegun barrel does not penetrate level 3a armor.

    2. Right, the law was designed to ban the importation of PISTOL AP ammo. My point is, non of these rounds, the 7.62x39mm, 5.45x39mm, or the 5.56x45mm were DESIGNED as pistol ammunition.

      From the ATF website:

      Under Title 18, UNITED STATES CODE, CHAPTER 44 as amended by Public Law 103-322
      The Violent Crime and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 (enacted September 13, 1994) 18 U.S.C. CHAPTER 44 § 921(a)(17)(B) the term ‘armor piercing ammunition’ means —

      (i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a HANDGUN and which is CONSTRUCTED ENTIRELY (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or

      (ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber DESIGNED AND INTENDED for use in a HANDGUN and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.

      The problem I have is two fold.

      First, the 7N6 round has far more than ‘trace’ amounts of lead in the projectile.

      Second, this round (along with the others mentioned) was NOT DESIGNED for use in a handgun. It is a rifle round for which someone built a handgun to accept. If the first type of weapon designed specifically for a given round is widely accepted to be a rifle, then it seems to me, that round can not be classified as “DESIGNED AND INTENDED for use in a HANDGUN”.

  8. The callousness of Olympic Arms when they deliberately produced the pistol; That and every person That I know or had dealings within their firms or affilited with that firm are and have always been pricks with a small p.
    A yuppy management of rip off that right fit in with the Olympia Washington two faced Liberals in power.
    Yes the rounds have now been banned, from import but sources say some few hundreds of thousands sit warehoused and holders wondering if they can sell existing sock.
    If the are allowed to it will be damned spendy but most likely no diffrent than when aquaintence and friends 1, 500, 000 of Chinese steel core was banned and confiscated at no cost to feds. That 7.62×39 steel will not penetrate our military body armor never could. Even at confiscation, 0police lt kevlar yes but then so did 357 125 gr silver tips.
    it is almost end of foreign imports except for those nations aiding our Empire from them we get crap ammo excep pmc.

  9. My shooting experience dates back some 43 years. I shoot often and love the sport. My experience is also with metallurgy.
    I avoid purchase of the very affordable steel core ammunition due the the fact that it is a ferrous material and once the copper is stripped off the core it can cause a spark. Many of the general populaces are unaware of this and do use this ammo in the open range, it can start a fire people are not aware of this. There are are some items on the market the general public just does not need to have. Exploding Targets used in the open range in July in the western states is a bad idea as well.

  10. I can’t agree with Robert on the term sawed-off rifle. The type of weapon you are calling sawed-off rifles is not that. What these weapons are personal defensive weapons (PDW) for support personnel. They are compact because the support personnel do not have a need for battle field rifles.

    Which brings us back to what I wrote earlier. If the people don’t have a need for sawed-off shotguns then the police don’t have a need for sawed-off shotguns. Can anyone list a police station in this country that doesn’t have a sawed-off shotgun?

  11. Republicans claim to be supporters of 2nd Amendment rights but they consistently fail even when in full control of our government to make the singlemost important fix to protect our rights… reign in the ATF! Since the gun and ammo laws are so vague (eg. what exactly qualifies are armor piercing), ATF should be forced to use the definition that is the least restrictive until congress is more specific.

    1. The real problem here is that BATFE is intentionally misreading the literal wording of the law and using circular logic to retroactively and magically transform rifle ammunition into pistol ammunition, because someone, somewhere on the planet, at one time, allegedly made a handgun that could chamber a particular rifle cartridge. However, BATFE is knowingly disobeying the principle of, “Spitit of Law,” which requires that a law must be applied no stricter than the lesser of the legislature intent or the letter of the law. The Supreme court ruled on this sort of over reaching in 1892 and 1979.

      “a ‘familiar rule, that a thing may be within the letter of the statute and yet not within the statute, because not within its spirit, nor within the intention of its makers.'” Weber, 443 U.S. at 201, quoting Holy Trinity, 143 U.S. at 459. The Weber Court said that the language of Title VII “must therefore be read against the background of the legislative history of Title VII and the historical context from which the Act arose.” Id.

      The law in question, was intended to ban the importation of armor piercing PISTOL ammunition, such as the 9mm and 38 spl KTW round, which were designed to penetrate car bodies and windshields. These were the so-called “Cop Killer Bullets,” hyped in the media, that have never been used to kill a cop. A little Hollywood fiction went a long way toward getting legislation passed. The ammunition was not specifically designed to penetrate body armor, but could defeat the level 1 and 2a armor common in the 1980’s. By the late 1990’s most police upgraded to level 2 or 3a, with level 2 currently being considered the minimum approved level. 3a effectively stops almost all AP pistol ammo at velocities below 1800 fps, as well as 7.62 Tokarev and 30 carbine fired from a pistol.

      The law was never intended to affect the sale of ANY rifle ammunition, as most rifle rounds will penetrate soft armor, regardless of bullet type.

    2. Excellent post – the spirit of the law as you lay it out, is how I remember it at it’s inception. I never agreed with it, but I understood the intent. I’m totally against any ammo ban of any kind because that just gets us down a slippery slope of total gun confiscation and denial. Let’s face it – that is just what will happen, and already is, where local states or municipalities have thought they could get away with it. The British Commonwealth is the best example of what happens when you compromise – what happens is, you lose everything.

  12. The “pistol” in question is not a pistol and is actually a “sawed off” rifle that should be controlled under ATF Class 3 requirements for licensing or exactly like sawed off shotguns are. This would actually keep the numbers of these “pistols” realistically low and would provide considerable argument that the 7N6 ammo is an inexpensive sporting round. Class 3 restrictions would actually help in keeping these types of sawed off rifles in law abiding hands and help keep them out of criminal hands that are intent on killing Police, rivals, or good guys. Another point to remember is that the Russians, Ukrainians and others are selling the 7N6 because it is NOT an effective combat round and has been superseded by newer 5.45×39 rounds with better designed projectiles.

  13. Lets look at the issue from another direction. If the people have no need for AP rounds. Why do the police have a need for them? There is nothing in the constitution that gives the police any right to be arms better then that of the people to defend themselves.

    If the police has a need for AP rounds when going up against criminals, then the people have the same need to AP rounds to defend against criminals.

    If the police have a need for 30 round clips to defend themselves against criminals. Then the people has the same need to defend against criminals.

    Police with hundred of hours of training need 30 round clips, but individuals with maybe 10 hours of training are suppose to defend themselves with 7-to-10 round clips. Police needs handguns with 15 rounds to do their job, but the individual is suppose to defend themselves with 5-to-7 round handguns. There is a stupidity to the whole police needing more firepower while the individual should have less.

    1. Exactly right – you hit that right on the nail head! Why is it that we accept that here in the USA – of all places – the formation of a privileged class? Hollywood elitists yammer about gun control and then themselves get into trouble carrying illegally transferred NFA weapons, and their body guards get into trouble breaking the gun laws. It is beyond reason to wonder why such hypocrisy exists in our country! No one owns the right to self-defense exclusively – NO ONE! We are ALL equal under this God given law. May the 2nd Amendment live forever!

  14. At least one company may be developing a 7.62x54r hand gun. From a January 2014 article: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/01/foghorn/will-bhas-new-7-62x54r-pistol-mean-the-end-of-7-62x54r-ammo-imports/

    if the ban 7n6 is, in fact, a legitimate ban (and current BAFTE nonsense prevails) then Mosin enthusiasts can kiss their silver tips good bye. The only lead core 7.62x54r mil. surp. that I could find was 1944 ukrainian, good luck finding that again. To quote Forrest Gump:
    “stupid is as stupid does” and BAFTE seems to think 2A does not apply to ammo.

  15. ATF is always going to the wrong places on the wrong Purge in a vast Quantity of situations that are thoroughly obvious to be not well thought out,or just outright completely ridiculiously wrong in interpreptation and validity and so on;in essence ,seeker’s o confusionary supportation of misleading unvalidated supposional facts and data. I agree with the above mentioned gentlemans statement-that you do not need an micromentary-falsified mis-calibration error to dominate the truth of the fact-that ” It is indeed Smaller” ;and therefore, of no danger of mis-directional choice of purchasing the product and Banning it’s availiability to WE—the People .

  16. Let them ban it under the exact definition they have now, the 5.45x39mm round uses a projectile that is smaller than .22 caliber anyway. By their own definition, this round would still not qualify as armor-piercing. Silly ATF. Tricks are for kids.

  17. Please check your information as of April 8th, 2014 you will find on the BATF website a notice that 7N6 ammo is banned. Please contact your state representative. Only if we step up we are able to change things!
    This is meant in a peaceful way using our legal-and voting system to express our will.

  18. I found the loophole “a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber” well the 5.45 is smaller than 22. caiber. Please feel free to pass this on to all importers so their lawyers can teach the ATF how to use a micrometer!

    1. The law has two parts. What you refer to is the second part. The first part is not in regard to a caliber it is in regard to a possible use in a handgun.
      For that no micrometer is needed if there is a handgun out there that can fire the 7N6 (in this case) or any round in any caliber made up of the material/combinations listed the ATF can ban it.

    2. The 7N6 projectile is not a solid made of the specified alloys. It is a Full metal jacket bullet with a penetrator, which is not larger than 22 caliber. Therefore, it does not fall within the definition in the law.

      The fact is that the BATFE is intentionally misinterpreting the law, away from its legislative intent, by using retroactive circular logic. They know that a proper judicial review of their action would prove them wrong and they are maliciously violating the spirit of the law. It is comparable to a cop arresting a ccw holder with a pistol for possession of brass knuckles, because the pistol has a trigger guard, or arresting little league baseball players for possession of a club.

      The fact that somebody in the world made a firearm classified as a handgun, to fire a particular rifle cartridge, does not retroactively and magically transform the rifle cartridge into a pistol cartridge, as these weasels would have you believe.

    3. Also, there was no, “Handgun” made in this cartridge. The weapon in question was, in fact, an NFA short barreled rifle, with a folding stock and pistol grip. which was only permitted for import for military and law enforcement use. It was only manufactured from 1990 to 1995.

  19. Thank the Clintons and their ilk for this one- it all comes from the ban on “Cop killer bullets” for handguns. You won’t see any of that new 9mm stuff the Russians use in the Bizon that was SPECIFICALLY designed to defeat all body armor being shipped here, unless the 15,000 Russian troops that Obammy requested from Putin for FEMA use in and around the capitol in case of martial law bring it in with them…….

  20. I am a firm supporter of Americans’ right to own firearms. I am not sure of any legitimate need for us to own armor piercing ammunition. Just what scenario would include a need for this type of ammunition? Even if a burglar had a bullet proof vest my 12 gauge loaded with 00 buckshot will put them down (knock them halfway down the hallway). A second head shot would ensure they would not be able to complete any act of violence. I think we should focus our efforts and resources in protecting our basic rights. We have many other State and Federal actions we need to fight to protect our rights..

    1. It is the duty and right of every American to defend the Constitution against any enemy, foreign and domestic. That is the reason we not only deserve, but must have the best weapons and ammunition available. If the Chinese or Russians were to come to our shores in the dead of night, I am sure not going to wait for the military or police to deal with them, or want to have to rely upon a simple shotgun either.

      Research:
      in McDonald v. Chicago, where a plurality of the Supreme Court, overturning prior precedent, found that the Second Amendment is incorporated through the Fourteenth Amendment, which reads “No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” and is thus enforceable against the states. Relevant to this question, the Court examined whether the right to keep and bear arms is “fundamental to our scheme of ordered liberty” or “deeply rooted in this Nation’s history and tradition.” The Court, relying on historical analysis set forth previously in Heller, noted the English common law roots of the right to keep arms for self-defense and the importance of the right to the American colonies, the drafters of the Constitution. and the states as a bulwark against over-reaching federal authority.
      Since this decision, Congress has placed greater limitations on the receipt, possession, and transportation of firearms, and proposals for national registration or prohibition of firearms altogether have been made. At what point regulation or prohibition of what classes of firearms would conflict with the Amendment, if at all, the Miller case does little more than cast a faint degree of illumination toward an answer.
      Retrieved from http://www.law.cornell.edu/anncon/html/amdt2_user.html#amdt2_hd2

    2. “Royals” decide the “legitimate needs” of serfs. “Citizens” decide their own “legitimate needs.” Since you dare to question the non-malum “legitimate needs” of others relative to a fundamental God-given right, you belong in England or any of the several Democrat-Occupied Zones here in the U.S. With all of the suffering that entails. We in the Free Zones of the U.S. have no use for you.

  21. Today, 7N6, 5.45×39, tomorrow, something else.
    And by the way, what are they smoking at ‘ATFE? “..a handgun chambered for ……” ??????? Is brain damage and convoluted logic a pre-requisite for employment there?

  22. Why would Cheaper Than Dirt be concerned with a ban on Russian 7N6 5.45×39 ammunition while the company has imposed a ban on the sale of all types of ammunition to the citizens of Connecticut?

  23. I have been trying to make people understand that this government (Obama) is the most heavy handed, dishonest, duplicitous bunch of socialist statists that won’t be happy until they wipe out ANY group or individuals who disagree with them. They will hide behind their lies to implement policies that disarm and make impotent any dissension. They know they can’t fight the NRA and people who believe in the Second Amendment by banning guns themselves but ammunition is fair game. If they slowly eliminate ammo the guns will be reduced to clubs. The best way to put a stop to this is to get them out of office. Each one of us needs to help anyone we can find to vote this November.
    The House and Senate needs to monitor these agencies that sneak regulations onto the importers and manufacturers of ammunition.
    Unfortunately, Harry Reid, the gatekeeper of any bills he deems contrary to their goals of disarming American citizens won’t allow any oversight of ATF to be passed. Hence, they all need to go.

  24. The problem surrounding what is an armor piercing round and with isn’t shouldn’t be decided simply because a handgun can fire the rounds. An armor piercing round is an armor piercing round whether fired from a handgun, or a rifle.This all started back in the 1970’s when the first bulletproof vest were issued to police and criminals started using AP rounds to kill cops.

    It has been 30-to-40 years since the start of this law. The technology for bulletproof vest is different, so the standards should be different based on the new technology.

    1. AP rifle ammo is designed to penetrate metal. Pretty much all intermediate or full powered standard ball ammo made in the past 110 years, when fired from a rifle has no trouble whatsoever, in penetrating current issue, soft body armor. There are some exceptions, such as 30 carbine, which may be stopped by level 3A.

      The law on AP pistol ammo was an over-reaction to a non-existent problem, dreamed up in pop-culture following the invention of KTW bullets, which were designed to make it easier for police revolvers to penetrate vehicle windshields. The ammo was never designed to penetrate soft body armor and is defeated by current level 2 and 3a armor. The law is obsolete and should be repealed, especially in light of the FACT THAT NO POLICE OFFICER HAS EVER BEEN DOCUMENTED AS BEING MURDERED BY AP PISTOL AMMO.

      These ATF rulings are willful misinterpretations of the law, using circular logic. The fact that somebody on the planet makes a pistol capable of firing a rifle cartridge does not magically and retroactively transform the rifle ammunition into pistol ammunition.

  25. Does the ATF have an Oath of Office, D.O.A.O. Delegation of Authority Order , or an Act of Congress creating the Charter under which ATF operates? Then are foreign Corporations ( INSURGENTS) allowed to have police powere i.e. jurisdiction over the people,when did the people contract with this repugnancy . Poice powers are to be exercised within C ONSTITUTIONAL LIMITS. Long Live The Constitution of The United States Republic.

    1. Unfortunately the POTUS has a lot of power when it comes to foreign treaties and commerce, and the BATF would just be one arm he could use for his agenda. This being perfectly legal under the Constitution. However – Congress also wields equal power in foreign commerce/treaties so by the separation of powers they can offset this problem. So it is time to contact your representative and point out the ridiculous situation this puts gun owner’s rights in, and also hurts our foreign allies, the people of Ukraine.

  26. The 7n6 is discontinued, old surplus that has been replaced by newer redesigned rounds. The majority, if not all comes from former Soviet countries like the Ukraine and such. I’ve been told that all the 7n6 surplus I’ve acquired over the years came from the Ukraine. By coincidence, our government has effectively removed this flow of revenue from the Ukrainian economy.

    The ammo that is permitted to come from the Russian Federation is commercial export only. Which coincidentally, is currently our only feasible option for affordable 5.45×39. To sum it up, the US gov’t has unofficially banned the Ukraine from exporting this ammunition to the shooting sports enthusiasts here and by doing so boosted Russia’s export revenue to meet consumer demand. Shooing sports enthusiasts would be near the bottom of my list to fault for this country’s current state of foreign affairs.

    Most importantly, my thoughts and prayers go out to you and your family as well as all the enlisted in Ft. Hood.

  27. FOR CHRIST SAKES MAN ! IS ANYBODY PAYING ATTENTION WHATS GOING ON BETWEEN THE USA AND RUSSIA?? IF YOU ARE AMERICAN, YOU SHOULDNT WANT TO BE DOING ANYTHING THAT IMPROVES THEIR ECONOMY. SEND THEIR CRAP BACK.. PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN WITH 2 IN THE ARMY CURENTLY IN FT. HOOD.

    1. The majority of this ammo is coming from nonrussian origin. This surplus ammo is what arms a good portion of Americans. Dont support this ban on cold war ideology, support other Americans that use this as a primary ammo caliber. This ban can be placed on a number of different calibers other than 545×39, the fact it hasnt is because of the idiocy and joke the ATF is.

  28. Personaly, I know nothing about this caliber, or this gun. But, if I wanted a handgun which fired rifle caliber rnds, I’d most definately go with the Contender. The government should never have closed the last lead smelter in this country, provoking technology to search for new metals for bullet making.

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