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Lawmakers Regulate Firearm Accessory Manufacturer Out of Business

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It is a shame when any firearm or accessory manufacturer has to close its doors. Colt went through its problems and Remington from its losses. We can armchair quarterback what each company did right or wrong, but in the end, it was the decisions of each company’s leadership that was ultimately responsible. Today’s tale is different. Slide Fire is set to announce that it will permanently cease all operations and sales on May 25. Was this due to poor decisions by its leaders? I would certainly say. More likely, Slide Fire’s demise is being caused by politicians in response to the actions of one person, the Las Vegas Massacre shooter. Slide Fire Logo During the October 2017 mass shooting in Las Vegas, the shooter was reported to have used a bump fire-style stock on one or more of the firearms used. Although hundreds of thousands of bump fire systems have been sold, and only one recorded criminal act was purportedly committed using the system, politicians across the nation—including President Trump—have sought to outlaw the equipment.

The Blame Game

In discussions with my non-gun owning friends, I have often pointed out the error of blaming the equipment and not the evil actions of the person committing the act. I can make dozens of comparisons, for example, we do not blame the car when a person drives drunk; we blame the driver. However, when discussing bump fire stocks with fellow gun owners, I occasionally hear arguments such as how bump fire systems are a waste of expensive ammunition or that they do not care because they do not own a bump fire system, so they are not concerned with the regulation. This is a misguided attitude. What happens when politicians come for a gun or accessory you do care about? Florida recently passed a law banning any accessory that increases the firearms rate of fire. Does that mean any trigger job or short reset trigger is now illegal? Some Florida politicians have admitted the legislation was rushed and needs to be fixed, but once enacted, gun regulations are seldom altered. Do you really believe the Florida politicians will proceed with the same haste to make the corrections as they did to enact the infringing law?

Anti-Knife March
After years of firearms bans in Britain, crimes and killings with knives have reached epidemic levels in Great Britain.

Conclusion

If one piece of equipment can be outlawed due to a single heinous act, or even the actions of a few bad actors, where will it end? Will the United States follow Britain? Will we regulate firearms to the point of effectively banning all firearm ownership? After several years of firearm regulations, edged weapon attacks in Britain have risen to alarming rates. In fact, Britain is now considering regulation on edged weapons. Will this be our future? I am all for the free market. The success or failure of a business should be left to the consumer and the business’ ability to compete within its sector. In Slide Fire’s case, however, it is not a free market that is causing its downfall. Instead, it is politicians making poor decisions by blaming a piece of equipment and not the person committing the unlawful act. This should be a lesson to us all and cause every gun owner to take a step back and reexamine the threat this poses to the Second Amendment.

Outlawing bump fire stocks will not quench the thirst of feel good politics or the efforts of those bent on repealing the Second Amendment; it will only embolden them for the next attack on our rights. Do you agree? Share your answer in the comment section

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Comments (50)

  1. OK, while I agree with much of your well reasoned comments, here is another reality. As one of the aging populace, there were 76 million baby boomers of which only 65.2 million are still living. Within 20 years, the rest of us will be dead (dead) as voters). Today some schools, like Oklahoma City for example have 40% of the students as either illegal or the children of people illegally in the US. All of them are Hispanic, mostly from Mexico. Those kids will likely be voting in 10 years, at least the ones that were born here. Hispanics tend to vote Democratic as do Black people. The baby boomers are largely white. SO, the reality is, unless there is some radical wakeup, the Democratic party will control this country in about 10 years due to the new ‘voting block”. That is the trend so things like bump stocks in my view were never going to survive. Ah yes, the young voters, millennials? Should 18 year old people be allowed to vote for which president gets to choose to start a nuclear war? You will recall, the idea behind the 18 year voting age was they got drafted and many went to die in this country, so at least they should get to vote, right? Yet in every state they are not mature enough to even buy whiskey, now why is that? Because everyone agrees, psychologists, cops, politicians, all agree they are not mature enough to buy alcohol. Yet they get to vote on who gets the nuclear button and who gets to own guns. Oh yes, 99% of them will never serve in the military and most will not even know a person who has died in a war or conflict. Just saying, Trump was the lesser of the evils. Certainly a jerk and immoral person, if you believe the media and on those issues I do because there is just too many of them. But he is by far the best name out there. As far as global policy and international relations, I am a retired military officer and worked for several presidents and my recollection is that none of the prior global policies have served us very well. Clinton would have bankrupted the nation in 4 years, and she was/is not smart enough to even understand the long term impact of things like selling the Russians 20% of US uranium. There are decisions you make that can be never be undone and that was certainly one of her worst. I guess I am ranting, but little issues like gun control will soon be big issues, and people like Trump and groups like the NRA are like a parachute, not ideal, but the best options as the plane starts down. Enjoyed your comment, keep it up.

  2. This never has been or will be an issue of public safety. Anyone who claims it is at this point is willfully ignorant, unable to differentiate truth and error or fact from fiction, or party to the ideological desire to destroy our liberty and republic. Slide Fire is the first of what will be many, many more sacrificial lambs laid on the alter of the antigun crusade.

    Shame on our l elected officials, most of all our President, who should be truly ashamed of himself. For all his vaunted genius and rejection of political insider behavior, he is either unable to understand the implications of his actions and the irrationality of punishing hundreds of thousands of law-abiding citizens for the actions of one, or he is playing politics to try and gain favor with those left-of-center voters who aren’t left-wing ideologues but never give much second-order thought to the Constitution and see bump fire stocks as inherently evil. If he is incapable of seeing the inherent contradictions in his actions, or worse yet, doesn’t care, where will it end?

    Of course, the real problem here is that Trump is a populist without a developed, coherent belief structure. As a businessman he didn’t need one. As a president, I it’s a crucial characteristic to possess.

    Obviously I knew what he was when I picked him up. I knew he was a populist when I voted for him and saw him as the lesser of two evils. Clinton, I believed, advocated policies that would bankrupt the nation and destroy what is left of our constitutional republicanism. Trump harbored no particular ill-will toward the republic that I could discern (and wasn’t a traitorous felon like his opponent), yet I worried about his lack of a coherent or comprehensive political world view. That made him less odious than Clinton, but still potentially dangerous because he has no core guiding principles outside of generally trying to do what he thinks are good ideas.

    That guiding principle has served Trump well on issues such as border security, Iran, and North Korea. It has also led to poor and destructive policy decisions such as taking the nation down a protectionist path and seeking compromise with the left on gun control. Let me offer an easy rule of thumb: any time Chuck Schumer out Bernie Sanders are giving you a thumbs up you should start questioning your position. While there are things we ought to compromise on, Trump is the one offering concessions on guns and getting nothing in return.

    Trump is the quintessential populist, able to pick up on currents in mainstream America–especially those from the vast swath of unwashed masses (as the liberal elite believe them to be) residing in “flyover country” whose voices the media have denied for decades. Trump is far more the voice of middle America than he is the intellectual leader of his party. Unfortunately, the nation needs someone who can be both. While his brand of populism is generally in line with constitutional conservatism, the two are at times at loggerheads. At those times, Trump invariably sides with popular opinion rather than the Constitution or principles with a proven historical track record. When you lack an internal compass, you cannot lead, you can only react.

    Populism is a dangerous tool, and has historically been adopted by the left for promoting its political agenda. Populism relies on pathos, particularly anger and indignation to rally people to its cause. The politics of emotions is antithetical to reason, logic, and understanding. It is a powerful tool that creates demagogues like David Hogg, Chuck Schumer, and Barak Obama who draw crowds and call to action based on feeling, not reason, while harboring a deeper agenda.

    It is clear that Trump is also a demagogue. While we couldn’t do any better under the circumstances, and we can take comfort in the notion that he is “our demagogue,” he will invariably disappoint. It is crucial that like-minded gun owners and others who respect and understand our constitutional framework continue to pressure him, as loudly and as often as we can, to follow a constitutional path. He won’t do it on his own.

    For constitutional conservatives, truly we have no political leadership representing us. Those who try–Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Rand Paul and a handful of others–are pilloried, lampooned, and relentlessly mocked in the press. They never stand a chance. If only we had a leader with the irreverence of Trump and his ability to tap into pathos, coupled with the brilliance and internal compass of Cruz–someone who could lead the nation away from the precipice, not be led by it, intellectually staggering to and fro like a drunkard trying to find his footing. We are, as a nation, dangerously close to the brink. Heaven help us if we stumble in.

  3. Over 3000 teens aged 16-18 were killed in auto accidents while driving and over 235,000 were injured while driving costing over $10 billion dollars annually. The use of cell phones and distracted driving adds another dimension raising the death toll even higher.

    Over 44 people have been killed when run over by terrorists in the last year. Should we think about outlawing automobiles and teen drivers.

    The point is other law abiding citizens drive carefully and respectfully do they need to be punished because the statistics about teens and terrorists support the fact that automobiles should be heavily regulated. How much regulation is enough?

    1. https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/distracted_driving/index.html
      Actually, there are 391,000 distracted driver accidents per year, or more than 1,000 per day. There are about 12,000 homicides with guns each year. Most are drug/alcohol related or gang and drug deals. ALL OF COURSE ARE CRIMINAL ACTS. In my college classes I tell my students, this is the best example I can think of when a statistically irrelevant fact drives policy. Well meaning people with very limited mental abilities, just act impulsively and irrationally. For example, there is virtually no reason for people to own chainsaws when the live in large cities, like New York. But every person in every high rise, has the right to own one, or a hundred of them, why do we let that happen? You get the idea. Everyone, everywhere has the need for self defense options. Duh?

  4. These stupid politician just don’t have a clue!
    It’s not the guns fault in any criminal shootings, it’s the idiot operating the gun!!! If they keep trying to change the owning of legal guns to law abiding citizens the only ones that’ll have them is the criminals cause they don’t care about the laws!!! Get your sh** together politicians.

  5. Has anyone seen the guns that were supposedly used with the bump stocks on them? They had plenty of time to manufacture their false evidence under the cloak of secrecy in this investigation. I don’t trust anything about this false flag operation.

  6. The auto club, Triple AAA, has data that shows 7 teens a day are killed for texting and driving. When is anyone going to push the age of owning a phone to 21. That’s 35 a week. I hear no outcry about those deaths.

  7. One visit to YOUTUBE will show that a semi auto rifle can fire the same without a bump stock as with …. known as the belt loop technique.

    A lot of straight shooters say bump stocks are a joke … but that is immaterial. Banning bump stocks will NOT stop ‘rapid fire’ rifle shooting. Banning them has NO justification.

    WJ

    trying to take my gun will be the biggest mistake you can make.

  8. Lets not forget, in fact let’s put this to the top of our list when it comes to anything NRA related. Like, their rating of candidates, their begging for more money so they can stay in Business and pay their executive big buck.

    THE NRA WANTED SLIDE FIRE ABOLISHED. THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN “SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED”.

  9. BLAME WHO?
    I am just as guilty as the gun grabbers, because I mostly sat on butt cleaning and firing my own weapons as others lost theirs.
    I joined rational ( well a couple radic malita who talked tough nut could not walk, paid out of pocket thousands of bucks to petition or generally a lie a day politico, took part in demonstrations armed open carry or unarmed, but where the hell were amd are the supposedly 10-20+ millions of othrr gun owners?
    Bribery is a cold hard master, they took your 2nd and gave you permits they limit your access to purchase but for once again the 2nd in exchange for permission.
    LOTS of gun owners have blinders, horse mule, oxen or other brute dumb working animals, and only gave a care for gun issies, and deliberately let those in government, military, police. And educational forces aid and abet the destruction of Constitution, the very thing the 2nd was meant to protect against.
    No the 2nd was mot supposed to just protect a wood and steel hun and it told us why I’m the first few words.
    SO my guilt is mine alone, and today there are no longer, in my eyes any Constitutional idealsleft l within US boundaries , other than like rest of sellouts a permit to defend my family and my own ass.
    To the ones who talk of being paid by gov for what they yake, everyday you are paid by them, you have their permission slips, and in case of LEOSZ and others select permission as loyalist yo them.

  10. I feel that these voted officials were put into office to be the voice of the majority mostly, however, these large decisions the affect so many of us in so many very important ways should be put to a vote for decision by the people and not the decision of the voted officials with their own agenda. I have never feared of losing a freedom, sport and right that I love so much as I do now. Just my 2c.

  11. Anti Gun zealots do not understand that they will no longer be able to speak out as they do now because the Second Amendment protects all of the rest of them. We (The Gun people) are not listening as we should, any
    thing that infringes on the Second Amendment is something we all should consider is a bad thing for us. If you care about your Guns open your ears and listen. It may be your Guns they come after.

  12. If someone wants to kill a bunch of people they will find away. On 9/11 they used box cutter. Timothy Mcveigh used fertilizer and diesel fuel. London has no guns so people used knives to kill people now they want to take away knifes. I’m going to guess they might start using icepicks or screwdrivers next. In prison you can’t have a weapon but inmates find away to make something to stab someone or cut them. So banning something doesn’t stop someone from killing someone. All it does is make them use something else. I’m sure if someone took a little time they could make a homemade bump stock. In Illinois we have some towns banning assault weapons and high capacity magazines. The funny part is the towns doing it have no gun violence.

  13. While some of you make great points which I wholeheartedly support there are others that are far out of touch with reality. Take for instance the comment by joefoam above. He makes an attempt to politicize his view to blame one party over another. In his case he blames the left wing liberals with losing touch with reality. However, to argue his point it is the right wing is signing off on these ridiculous gun control measures.

    My point here is that it’s time to take our party blinders off and see that this is a full on assault of our constitutional rights from all angles; thus this is a non-partisan or bi-partisan effort if you will to strip is for our 2A rights.

  14. ATF could not ban bump fire stocks the way the law was and is currently written. That also goes for the new rapid dual fire triggers, etc. The law in brief states no mechanical change can be made that allows more than 1 shot per pull of the trigger. A true fully automatic will fire continuously with a single pull of the trigger until the trigger is released or the ammo is exhausted. Bump fire stocks are legal as they only allow 1 shot per pull of the trigger, but bump fire stocks allow very fast trigger pull and releases using the recoil of the gun. Watch videos that show how they work. What amazes me is the same law currently allows for dual fire triggers that fire 1 shot when pulled, and 1 shot when released. Basically pull and release and you fire 2 shots. Per the law they are legal as they only allow 1 shot per pull as there is no mention in the law about not allowing a shot on the release. You can also view videos on this type of trigger to see how they work.

    I agree that taking something away is going to erode our rights. They want to ban “ASSAULT RIFLES” or AR Rifles which most of us know that AR was a designation for Armalite Rifle, the original rifle designer, not for assault rifles. Many call AR Rifles MSR for Modern Sporting Rifles. Even though they look like the military version, they are not fully automatic and no more and often less lethal than a hunting caliber semi-automatic rifles, which often use more powerful calibers. So if they ban AR style rifles, then hunting rifles may be next, and so on, until they go for your pocket knife.

  15. Nobody has explained to me how the Vegas shooter got 400 pounds of equipment into that building without being questioned. And nobody has explained how he removed the windows, which weighed several hundred pounds, without anyone suspecting or hearing anything. The whole thing is either a massive failure of security or the guy had help, or both. If you really think about it, the incident just doesn’t make sense on several levels. And then you have the ATF, who deemed bump stocks legal, then later changed their minds. I guess their word means nothing, and anything can be changed on a whim. Something stinks here and it doesn’t add up.

  16. I dont have a bump stock, but have friends and relatives that do. And, 100% of the people that I refer to ,have never shot anyone, so I dont have a problem with the stock.. We need criminal control. Just because I dont use one, I do not have a problem with the legal use of these items.. Any right that we give up, will gladly be taken by the liberal hand wringing gun grabbers. The 2nd amendment is for all of us, we better stick together.

  17. If you don’t stand for something you will fall for anything. I stand for true Americans who believe in the Constitution word for word, I took an oath to defend it with my life and on this I stand.

  18. We need a lot more chlorine in the gene pool of today’s America.
    The government is trying to control everything that companies do to protect STUPID, enough is enough.

  19. 22 yrs in the army and now retired I have been in all corners of this world and there is one thing in common in all the communist leaning countries and that is they all count themselves as Progressives CODE for straight out communists! It now seems every corner of our institutions are infiltrated with them 1st on the list is take away your way to defend against them second take away you voice and last but not least they will divide and conquer . welcome to the USA Comrades

  20. When will the industry realize that compensation is Required if the Government takes your property. Additionally No Expose facto law is constitutional. If it was legal to own when you bought it it cannot be retroactively banned. Only new production or sales can be.

    1. You are wrong about compensation
      It’s just like when they outlawed cocaine
      They just declared it contraband
      They did not have to buy back all the legally purchased cocaine even though most homes had some cocaine in the medicine cabinet
      It they took your property for a public use, then they have to compensate you
      This is the first anti gun law that affects me personally
      I love my bump fire triggers especially the one for my CZ Scorpion
      Everyone who I let fire it has a huge grin after using it.
      I am very angry that President Trump did what Obama was not able to do and ban bump stocks
      He has completely lost my support

    1. I can agree, and disagree with that, sure voting is very important to this nation remaining free. But yet who do you vote for? To me either party and their ideas as a whole really have nothing to do with our Constitution and Bill of Rights in general terms. They both cherry pick issues that are usually social failings because our own society is failing themselves, so everyone wants the government to fix it…..and we see how that is working out.

  21. It just pisses me off, that thousands of people who enjoy ANY product, are at the mercy of the very few who would abuse or misuse a product. Remember Jarts. Great fun, but some dumbass with the attention span of a gnat gets hurt, and they just go away.
    Look…..if yer that stupid, we surely dont need you diluting the gene pool.
    I’m surprised we still have 5 gallon buckets. With all the babies drowning in them daily. Hell, I had to put a $3000 fence around my pool, because some stupid ass doesn’t watch their kid. I say, you weren’t supposed to be a parent in the first place.
    I mean aren’t we smart people the majority. Doesn’t the majority rule anymore?? Or have we dumbed things down so far, that the stupid are taking over??
    I’m not talking Einstein smart. I’m talking, just smart enough to NOT need a warning label to tell you not to shower with your blow dryer.
    I feel incredibly bad for Slide Fire, and ALL the products and companies that have succumbed to the onslaught of stupidity that evidently runs this country.
    Without warning labels, the stupid would die at a much faster rate and at a much younger age. Perhaps too young to marry their cousin and procreate.
    I know I made a lot of generalizations, and I may have pissed some off. But don’t take it so literal. I know you ALL get the idea.
    We’re drowning in morons.

    As always
    Carry on

    1. Rock on mister 70’s Ops. You are correct, this younger generation has been educated by TV and video games. The parents seem to be persona-non- grata. So the snowflakes don’t seem educated enough to be more than sheep blowing in the wind. Like all the school kids walking out. Fail every single one of them. They are so stupid as to not understand that we have a constitution that made this country the greatest in the world. And it’s our freedom of speech and the RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. And we also have a god given right to protect our family and property also. So all I say is we all order a slidefire and frame it just to meltdown all the damn snowflakes. Hoorraaahhhh !!!!!! ????????????????????

    2. This country needs a national divorce. The coasts, along with Chicago, need to be ushered out of the Republic. And ZERO immigration from the newly formed cess pool of a nation will be tolerated. They are free to F__K over their respective “citizenry” as they see fit. And they’ll have exactly ZERO say regarding how the rest of us govern ourselves.

  22. I thought the photo of the marchers with the ban knives had to be photo shopped. Goes to show how out of touch with reality the left wing liberals have become. What’s next, sticks or rocks.

    1. While most of us in the US think a “knife ban” borders on being “nuts” we really need to remember that is only takes on jab or thrust from a knife for death to be certain. Probably one of the closest times I came to being deceased in law enforcement was when a 3 time convicted felon (of violence) tried to thrust a boot knife dagger into my chest during what I thought was a dui arrest. In total darkness my light showed his arming moving toward my chest and I was able to knock it away, slam him against his truck and position my Glock firmly against his ear. It was summer and like an idiot I did not have my vest on that night. And as well all know, vests do not stop daggers. Here is a link where a bullet proof vest salesman was killed during a demonstration…http://newsok.com/article/2041258. Not to hijack the thread but just to remind everybody here that if some fool pulls a knife on you, it only take one thrust and your kids have no father or mother, even if you have a vest on. FYI

    2. The point of the comment was that anything can be turned into a lethal weapon. Stop trying to ban everything, it won’t change the result.

    3. Nope the London Mayor doesn’t think there is a reason to carry knife and wants to ban them. After they ban knives – what’s next – scissors. We need to push legislation to outright BAN something liberals DEARLY love! Like Windmills – think of how many birds we can save if we ban them. How about solar panels – think how many roofs won’t cave in under the weight. Ban David Hogg – think of how much needles suffering will be saved from having to see and hear that punk @$$!

      http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/04/08/london-mayor-sadiq-khan-targets-knives-as-murder-rate-spikes-there-is-never-reason-to-carry-knife.html

      https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/9/gun-control-londons-muslim-mayor-sadiq-khan-bans-k/

      https://www.dailywire.com/news/29179/londons-mayor-declares-intense-new-knife-control-emily-zanotti

  23. Very well put …. as you said to tthose that do not own a slide fire stock, what happens when “they” come for something that does matter to you? I could not agree more. I am not sure where they thought process is anymore at all. The truly scarey thing is this … if “they” ever change the consitution any part of it of any reason from that day forth it will be of no value. Unfortunately there seems to be less people that know this than those that would welcome such changes. I personally do not want to live like those in England or Austrailia or any other country that takes away choices from it people and then claims it is for their own good. It is all about control … and control is an illusion..

  24. While I have no use for a bump fire stock, do-gooders and anti gun politicians are wrong to blame the accessory and not the operator. While it is very hard to stay on target with this item, it is still up to the operator to aim it away from anything he/she doesn’t want perforated

  25. This is the absolute WORST example of “one man, one vote”! By that I mean that a single person has managed to get an entire class of firearm accessories banned. What is next? Semi-auto? Or maybe ANY firearm that is capable of firing more than one shot? Where is the logic in any of this? I’m fairly sure that CCW was banned at the Las Vegas event in question… probably in a misguided attempt to prevent that very scenario from happening, yet just a few CCW holders would have put a stop to it with FAR less loss of life. Just saying.

  26. Dave, Dave, Dave: What are you saying? Maybe he had one or more bump stocks? Don’t play that game! Admit it, he had 12 of them on Ars rifles. Now, lets move on. From last September and backwards 12 months, there were over 30,000 stabbings in the UK. As a former cop and a person with advanced education in criminology I am going out on a limb here and say, that there were over 30,000 people illegally carrying the knives that they used!.. Dud? And so far this year stabbing in just London has killed 38 people, more people than murdered in a similar sized City here, New York City. Now the major says, “there is never a reason to carry a knife”. And the proposed new law adds additional restrictions on guns…and knives… Yep adding more gun control laws there will surely cut down on the knife problem…LOL… Here is a nice link: https://www.newsmax.com/thewire/knives-home-delivery-ban/2018/04/09/id/853417/. So, Dave, quit whining. And hope the do ban every single knife in the UK. In fact, lets hope the go door to door and taking every damn parking knife an butter knife out of the country. And my all means, the ACCESSORIES, which are really a part of the problem….knife sharpeners and whet stones, must be banned and seized from the peasantry. So, get off your high horse and support this mayor you crazy guy. I mean if banning and seizing all the knives will just save one tourist or none small child is it not worth it? Please rewrite your article and support these common sense knife bans. If you love kids and tourists at all you must do it. God save the queen.. .

    1. Yes, they handle getting drunk, playing with guns and explosives while drunk, and we are required to follow what they tell us. Eyes rolling.

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