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My First Positive Impressions of the Kel-Tec SU-16C

Picture shows a Kel-Tec SU-16C rifle, with the buttstock partially folded.

I’m not exactly sure why I always end up loving unusual guns. Perhaps it has something to do with my low expectations. When one outperforms its reputation, I get quite the pleasant surprise. What’s special about the .223 Remington-chambered Kel-Tec SU-16C “Charlie” model is its unique folding stock and ability to fire folded. The rifle isn’t going to win any beauty contests, but like may Kel-Tec guns, they are not known for their looks.

Picture shows a Kel-Tec SU-16C rifle, with the buttstock partially folded.
The Kel-Tec SU-16C has a unique folding stock.

Kel-Tec built its reputation on making reliable, simple guns that are thin and easy to store, carry and conceal. Building on the overwhelming demand for Kel-Tec’s latest guns, it has become a giant name in the gun industry and acquired thousands of loyal fans. Besides the weird-looking PMR-30 and hyped KSG, Kel-Tec builds a no-nonsense gun you can depend on.

The Specifics

Not intended as a substitute for an AR-15, the SU-16C is piston operated like an AK-47 and uses a Johnson/Stoner breech locking system. It is a simple gun with few parts. Other than the receiver, barrel and operating parts, the rifle is made of high-impact reinforced polymer. The stock is not adjustable; however, it folds under the rifle for compact storage. Unloaded, the SU-16C weighs only 4.7 pounds. Though it sounds like there isn’t much too it, this is not a flimsy gun. Just wait until you shoot it.

Picture shows the barrel and integrated bipod on a Kel-Tec SU-16C rifle.
The forearm doubles as in integrated bipod.

The 16-inch barrel is medium weight with a 1:9 twist and ½ x 28 TPI thread. The gun has a chrome-lined bore and chamber. It comes with a 10-round Kel-Tec plastic magazine that fits flush into the mag well. It also accepts any standard AR-15 magazine of any capacity. The black polymer stock and forearm—that doubles as in integrated bipod—was scratch-free and the metal did not show any tool marks or rough edges. The overall parkerized finish was clean.

Handling

Picture shows a close up of the front sight post on a Kel-Tec SU-16C rifle.
The front gas block with AR-15-style front sight post offered a wide and clear sight picture.

Unfolded, the rifle is 35.5 inches long. Picking up the gun and shouldering it is natural, with a good feel and fit, but also a little awkward. The barely-there pistol grip doesn’t give you much to hold and positioning my hands took a few readjustments to feel like I had a good hold. The forearm-combo-bipod is textured for a better grip. On either side of the forearm, there are too incredibly stiff buttons to release the bipod. I was only shooting off-hand, so I did not use the bipod feature. I’m sure it will come in handy when shooting for precision, varmint hunting and pest control.

The stock locked securely in place. There was no wobble while unfolded. When folded, the fit was also tight.

Shootablity

Even fully loaded, the gun is extremely lightweight and I worried about the effect the recoil would have on me. I was pleasantly surprised how much the thin recoil pad absorbed the shock. Recovery for follow-up shots was no big deal. This gun isn’t a shoulder beater. Though the stock is not adjustable, the length of pull was not too long. The 15.5-inch sight radius worked very well given the distances I was firing from.

Picture shows a close up of the charging handle on a Kel-Tec SU-16C rifle.
The charging handle serves double duty as a shell deflector.

For a basic, not-fancy sight, the front gas block with AR-15-style front sight post offered a wide and clear sight picture. I got on target quickly without a problem. Shooting nearly at point of aim, I didn’t adjust my sights before or during my range trip, nor did I need to. Rounds were hitting right where I wanted them too. My first groups measured one inch, but after I got more comfortable holding the rifle, I was soon hitting holes into holes.

The charging handle is on the right side of the gun and serves double duty as a shell deflector. Charging the Kel-Tec takes little force. The action was smooth and quick. Every spent case ejected away from me. The push button safety is accessible from the left or right side of the rifle and the location was perfect. I didn’t have to remove my strong hand to operate it. The trigger pull measures between five to seven pounds. Though the reset is crunchy, it broke consistently every time. I have no complaints. Also located on the right side is a square push-button magazine release.

A button on the back of the stock lets you fold it under the pistol grip, trigger guard and magazine. The SU-16C will fire while folded, with access to the magazine for reloads. Firing it folded is a hot mess. There is no good way to hold it and aiming is very difficult. I fired four rounds folded and I’m pretty sure I didn’t hit paper. But for it being a lot of rifle, 25.5 inches folded, it didn’t jump, or hurt nearly as bad as I thought it would. For me, the only convenience for the folding stock is for easy storage and transport and serves no shooting purpose.

Thoroughly cleaned and lubed before I took it to the range, I tested three different types of ammo—Australian Outback 55-grain Sierra Blitzking, Ultramax, and a mystery round found in the range bag. The Kel-Tec didn’t seem to prefer any particular one. I had no problems or issues with accuracy and did not experience one malfunction.

Picture shows a Kel-Tec SU-16C black rifle with a mounted riflescope.
Unfolded, the rifle is 35.5 inches long.

Purchased for the purpose of a truck gun, the Kel-Tec ran flawlessly. I was highly satisfied with its sights and accuracy. The owner was surprised and glad to hear I did not experience any problems. Did it perform? It sure did. I’m anxious to hear further reports from the gun’s owner after he has put hundreds of more rounds through it.

Specifications and features

  • Caliber: .223 Remington/5.56x45mm NATO
  • Barrel: 16″ chrome-lined barrel with 1/2×28 threads at the muzzle, 1:9″ RH twist
  • Capacity: 10 round magazine
  • Safety: Ambidextrous push bolt manual safety
  • Sights: Adjustable front and rear sights
  • Stock: Under-folding polymer buttstock folds for compact storage and still allows the carbine to be fired when folded
  • Accessories: Integrated picatinny rail and forend folds down to form a bipod
  • Overall length: 25.5″ to 35.5″
  • Weight: 4.7 lbs unloaded

Do you have a Kel-Tec SU-16? If so, what version? What do you like and dislike about it? Tell us in the comment section.

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Comments (42)

  1. I own a C model. Great little rifle that folds and tosses in the back of my compact sedan. For all the light weight, it outshoots me easily. Shooting with the stock folded is fun at typical pistol distances, but requires a locked strong side elbow to prevent stovepiping. The large rear aperture sight allows quick target acquisition, very much like the mp5 which made it so popular. My only complaint is the grooved, hard, molded stock, which causes numerous burst blood vessels, despite the relatively low recoil. I use a light shoulder pad when shooting it now. Apparently the design is desirable when shooting in body armor. It would be great if keltec or some aftermarket supplier came up with a smooth or even padded replacement.

  2. I replaced the ejector with a kit from Kel-Tec due to 5.56 ammo not ejecting. Didn’t resolve the issue. After removing the bolt, it was found that the 5.56 green tip would not fit in the bolt rim. The rim miked out that it was too small for the 5.56 cartridge rim to fit the bolt. The Hornady 223 steel was not an issue and would feed without any issues at all. It “loves” the ammo. The green tips would not eject after the second round. The bolt seat needs to be amended to fit the 5.56 on my 16 CA and a suggestion will be made to Kel-tec regarding the Quality Assurance of the bolts and rim seat. Other than this, I like the little pack gun. CTD had a 16 B for about $450 in Fort Worth a couple of weeks ago if someone is interested. Tulammo and Monarch were also a little over sized on the micrometer and probably the same issue as the green tip since they would not eject correctly. It was determined this was the issue with other ammo when I cleaned the bolt and attempted to place a green tip in the rim seat when testing the new ejector. The green tips would not fully fit into the rim seat in the bolt where the Hornady fit like a glove. It is anticipated that Kel-tec will be resolving this issue as it is pretty well documented as to the source of the issue with feeding / ejecting green tip and lesser expensive rounds with this particular rifle. The thought process may have been that after a break in period at X number of rounds, the rim seat would fit other rounds without an issue. That is purely unacceptable and is not the case. I plan on having the rim seat repaired or bolt replaced by Kel-tec and keep the CA. It is perfect for the backpack and reaches out to 200 yds. Kel-tec 16CA / Leapers UTG 3-9×32 Compact CQB Bug Buster fits perfect.

  3. I’ve had the SU 16B for at least 6 years and have enjoyed it. I bought the rifle because of my AR15. My thinking was “how cool to have a second rifle that uses the same magazines and ammunition that the AR uses.”

    I have not had any malfunctions with the gun it shoots clean and relatively straight, even though I think 100 yards is beginning to stretch the accuracy thing. I put one of the holographic sights on this and used a riser, which I found reinforces the polymer rail. All in all, it boils down to you really like the little gun or you hate it, I like it.

  4. I’ve owned my Kel-Tec SU16c for about 4 years. I ordered it through my FFL for $550, it took about 4 weeks to arrive (at that time, there was a backlog at Kel-Tec, something the company has always had issues with).
    I love it. It’s not an AR15. It doesn’t claim to be. It’s a lightweight pack rifle. Realistically, you’ll most likely to use this hiking on multi-day backcountry trips. At a little over 4.5 pounds, it’s nearly 1.5 pounds lighter than a light AR-15, and probably about 2.5 pounds lighter than an AR15 at a competitive price point. That’s a lot of weight on the trail. If you’re the type that plans bug-out bags for the collapse of society or the impending zombie/alien/Chinese invasion; 2.5 lbs. is a lot of extra ammunition.
    Accuracy is what you should expect; about 2 MOA if you’re good. With a red dot sight in the 100-300 meter range, the round and rifle are better than most people’s eyesight. It should be noted that all the SU16s are actually chambered in 5.56×45 mm NATO, not .223 Remington as the article suggest. There is a subtle difference. This weapon is designed to handle the greater pressure of the 5.56×45 mm NATO military round. It can fire the .223 Remington round, but will theoretically loose some accuracy (on the positive side a NATO chambered weapon won’t explode when firing the Remington round, a guarantee that can’t be reciprocated with a rifle chambered for the Remington round firing the NATO version). Again, if you’re looking for 1 MOA accuracy, dig a lot deeper in the wallet and look elsewhere.
    The SU16 family have a reputation for being picky eaters. I find that mine won’t reliably feed any hollow point round, which is unfortunate because these are more useful on varmints than the X855 green tip rounds that it prefers. I’ve found that pointed soft point or a noesler bullet work as well and feed fine. I’ve had the best luck with 62-64 grain, which makes sense considering the stock barrel’s twist rate is compatible with this weight.
    The SU16c isn’t hard to break down, but it’s not intuitive. Plan on spending some time learning how to pull it apart, and investing fifteen minutes or so a month keeping proficient at it. Once you get past that, cleaning is easy. It’s hard to get into the chamber, but that’s made less important by the fact that it’s a long stroke gas piston action and is incredibly clean shooting. After 100 rounds, a white glove test will find no residue in the chamber. Cleaning the barrel with a standard cleaning rod from the chamber isn’t possible. You will either need to get a crown protector to push a standard rod in front to back. Alternatively you can use a graphite cleaning rod from the rear, or buy a bore snake.
    The down side to the long stroke piston is that it’s a lot of weight and kinetic energy sliding around in the action. It has more recoil than you’d expect, but not more than you can handle. It’s not an AR-15, you’ll need to train to shot it well. Also, the length of the piston rod and the way it’s configured make it difficult to remove if you have a scope that extends more than about two inches past the front of the rail. An optic this size is ambitious considering the limitations of the rifle, but if you’re inclined to throw a big zoomy on the top, be prepared for some maintenance frustration.
    The fact that the SU16c can fire when the stock is folded is neat, but more relevant to theory than practice. You can’t really fire it accurately folded. The real value in the folding stock is that you can substantially shorten the rifle for transport and stowage without disabling it. Keep in mind, however, than you can’t fold the stock over a magpul magazine; it can’t slide past the chunky base-plate. Get some good aluminum magazines. I have the Bushmaster ones. They feed great and the stock folds right past them. Some have pointed out that the folding stock wouldn’t be very useful as a club in hand to hand combat. True enough. I’ve never found the need to but-stroke a coyote, fox or large rabbit.
    I’m not certain the SU16c is worth it’s $770 MSRP. Luckily, you probably won’t pay much more than $550 and at that price point you really can’t beat it. I’m incredibly happy with mine.

  5. i bought an su 16 when they first came out fired a few hundrred rounds thought it was a great gun took it back out to the range fired a few rounds and pieces just started falling out ,fireing pin broke.chargeinging handle fell out what a mess .sent the gun back.they put in a whole new reciever and parts .i fired it a few time to sight in put it away,for fun i took it to the rang the other day didn’t get to shoot it because once agaian the insides were falling out ,well it’s going back again,hope i never need to rely on it or i’m doomed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  6. I waited over a year while my gun dealer tried to get the gun. Finally got it through a dealer in Tennessee. Cost me $590. Plus shipping. Took it to the 100 yard range and I loved it. I put a red dot sight on it but the results were not good. Putting a scope on it soon for better results.
    Now I am retired US Army SSG/E6 so I fired an M16 for 20 years. I also own among others, in 223/5.56 rifles, A Bushmaster AR 15 and Ruger Mini 14. The Mini 14 was my favorite over the Bushmaster but not any more. I too will try to find a semi rigid backpack for it. Meantime I have a new Pelican hard case for it.
    I will tell you from a retired military standpoint and a shooting sports enthusiast, consider trying out this gun.

  7. AG, there is no such thing as a dpms m4. They have m4 clones but they are not m4’s. You can find a DPMS oracle carbine for 599 from surplus arms and ammo online. Many places stock dpms “m4’s” for well under 700 right now. IMO, anything over 400 for them is a waste of time and money. For a few hun more you could have a Colt, BCM, or DD rifle that is light years better than the bottom of the chart guns like DPMS, Whyndhm, CMMG, and the other consumer grade dirt plinkers.

  8. Suzanne, in your article you wrote, “What’s special about the .223 Remington-chambered Kel-Tec SU-16C “Charlie” model is its unique folding stock and ability to fire folded.” But at the end of your article you wrote that the rifle’s caliber is .223 Remington/ 5.56x45mm NATO.
    I’m not sure why at the start of your article you didn’t include the “small” fact that this rifle is also headspaced for 5.56x45mm NATO (the 5.56x45mm NATO is a good thing IMHO). It was not until the end of the article that I found out that this rifle was not chambered only in .223 Remington but could also handle 5.56x45mm NATO ammo. Why my fuss? A lot of shooters don’t realize that not all AR-15’s are head-spaced for 5.56x45mm NATO and the higher pressures that military ammo creates, if used in AR’s chambered in .223 Remington, could be disastrous and an unwise decision on the part of the shooter. The Kel-Tec SU-16C can accept AR-15 magazines and ammo, so it IS in competition with AR’s whether their business model, marketing, advertising says the opposite. I’d love to shoot this rifle just to find out for myself its pluses and minuses. In future article, please include the ammo specification(s) at the beginning so as to not “scare” away potential readers. I owned an XM-15 chambered in 5.56x45mm NATO and there IS a difference between that ammo (and its power) and .223 Remington.
    Bob

  9. With all of the positive experiences and the few really bad ones it sounds like a single worker that needs to either be retrained or fired for laziness.

    Since all of the milling work is performed with automated machines they may not be maintaining them as well as they should. It also points out that KEL-TEC may not be test firing every rifle after final assembly. I’ve toured the FN facility in Columbia SC and every finished or refurbished firearm is test fired before its packaged for shipment.

    Something that would make this weapon even better is if they could design one that breaks apart into two pieces like the Ruger 10/22 Breakaway. Great Rifle. Half the length for storage and all of the reliability and accuracy.

  10. I have one just like it,i’ve had it for prob. 10 yrs or more and have put a couple thousand rounds thru it no probs.at all love this gun wish I had 2 or 3 more

  11. @RPK – How is it not too practical ? What is more practical than a 25″ long gun (with stock folded) that weighs 4.7#, is more reliable without lube or cleaning than an AR, and will shoot 1 MOA.

    That is very practical to take hiking, backpacking, camping, home defense, bug out gun, etc. IF we get into a situation without rule of law, it is a semi auto mag fed rifle that you can conceal under a jacket if needed.

    Did not Glock prove that polymer guns are not a novelty. This is made from the same material that a Glock is made from.

  12. @Baker A Mitchell – I shot Winchester varmit 45 Gr @ 100 yards and got a .97″ group, with scope. I shot this same ammo at 50 yards with the factory sights at less than 1″ group. Hornady Steel case match ammo 75 grain BTHP @ 100 yards for a 1″ group, with scope.

    BUT I do not know what ammo will shoot good in your gun. I took about 12 different kinds of ammo to the range and recorded the groups for each kind. Then I stock up on the kinds that shoot well in my gun.

    Kel-Tec recommends that you do not shoot Russian steel jacketed bullets in the SU-16. But I shot a 1.39″ group with the Tula 55 Gr steel case at 50 yards with the iron sights. I am very satisfied with the accuracy of my SU-16.

  13. Who cares. Every time I was interested in a Kel-Tec firearm I could never find one in a gun shop or on the Internet (new from Kel-Tec). I wrote Kel-Tec requesting where I could find a retail outlet that sold their products. I got no response. As far as I’m concerned they don’t exist.

  14. As far as concept and design, it looks interesting. But, for the same money, I can purchase a DPMS AR15 in M4 configuration or drop quite a bit on a Ruger Mini-14. Nice novelty item. Not too practical, though.

  15. @ Zeker – The SU-16 does not need cleaned near as often as the AR-15. The AR has residue blown into the chamber at every shot; the SU is piston operated and no powder residue is blown into the action.

    I have had mine for 6 months and have never cleaned it yet. It still looks almost as clean as new after hundreds of rounds.

    If you google Kel-Tec and then click on Guns and then click on SU-16 you can click on a video of how to clean it.

  16. I’ve had one of these in the “E” variation. Worked just as well as any AR I own and never had any issues. Red lion precision makes a replacement aluminum trigger for these and man does it fix all the creep issues. It is now very crisp with a good reset. I have one in my su16 as well as my su22

  17. I have one of these and have had nothing but trouble with it. Case seperations and sticking cases are norm. Have returned to factory at great expense 3 times before it started working sometimes. One gun I have never been happy with.

  18. Need to correct last comment, I meant to say, brass rounds not copper jacketed. Which brass rounds is all I ever shot through it.

  19. Have owned the C model for a few years now, bought it for a “backpack” gun or one I can hold in my 4wheeler bags, for that it is perfect. But after 100 rounds ran through it, it jammed hard, no ejection and bullet to bullet. Sent it back to Kel Tec, 4 months later I got it back, with a warning not to use anything but copper jacketed rounds through it, which oddly enough is what I had been using exclusively. I fired another 100 or so rounds through it flawlessly, but last weekend it jammed again, now it wont feed because of obvious burrs in the tube. I have to disassemble the barrel and see if I can file these down. I like the gun a lot, it is easy to shoot, extremely accurate, and very very light weight. But, these feed issues it has takes away from any of the pros I just mentioned. It does not take dirt at all well, as do none of the rest of my AR type guns, not like my SKS which I can leave sit in mud and still fire.
    I did find you can change it to a more standard AR pistol grip, and change the goofy bi pod it comes with to a pic rail type, if you can find these parts in stock for it somewhere.

  20. Regarding the “Safe Act” that those New York City slimes, Como, Silver and Bloomberg slipped on us. A folding stock and a threaded barrel, either of which would make it covered under this hateful legislation.

  21. I love my SU-16C, which I bought on Apr. 28, 2011 for $569.00 plus tax and background check. I removed the bi-pod front grip and installed a GMG AK-47 modified AR-47 quad rail. To install, I cut 1″ off of the length, and reamed out the lower barrel channel to .75″. The 2 piece unit fits perfectly and without any rattling or movement. I installed a Hi-Lux 1.5-6X42 scope with extra high “see through” mounts and can easily still use the orininal peep sights below the scope. I also added a combo 220 lumin tactical light with red laser and a linear muzzle brake, which took the original 4.7 pound weight up to 7 pounds, and is now a terrific handling close quarter battle gun. The best accuracy is with 40 to 55gr. ammo. The 62gr. and higher, “not so much”. The appearance of a 9mm MP-5, but deadly out beyond 200 yards for a fraction of the cost.

  22. From what I understand the stock can be fitted to other models as a retrofit. I think it is available from kel tec store. No idea how hard to put on. Kinda funny but a lot of kel tec products seem to bring above msrp. I wished I had bought a few more when they were less know.

  23. Easy to Clean… With the extractor and firing pin problems, I had to dissaemble it a number of times. Finally learned all the tricks. All you need is a bullet or something to push out a pin. And a lot of patience to learn the tricks. Somebody ought to post a YouTube video. It is simple and easy but not intuitive.

    What ammo does it like to get 1 moa? I haven’t done better than 2 moa on anything I’ve tried. Doesn’t really matter for what the rifle is intended for, but I don’t want to criticize the rifle if it is just my ammo. I shoot only Fed GM HPBT 168 in my M1A for sub moa one-hole groups, but haven’t gotten anywhere close with the SU16C even with 4X and rest.

  24. I’d like to check it out as I’m always looking for thing neat & cool, but I can’t, simply because I live in NY. People’s republic that is. End of story. When will someone stet the revolution and deliver us from hell?

  25. I own a SU-16C and it is one of my favorite guns, and I have around a total of 30. Me and my sons own a lot of Kel-Tec guns and we like all of the ones we own. My one son did get a PF-9 that jammed; but he sent it in to the factory and they not only fixed it but gave it a trigger job before they returned it. I wish my PF-9 had jammed because his now shoots so smooth and easy.

    My SU-16C is trouble free and always loaded, fired, and ejected perfectly. It is short and light and so easy to handle.

    The real surprise was how little the recoil was, considering it was so light; AND how accurate it is.

    It will shoot under an inch with the right ammo at 100 yards

  26. Absolutely love my SU16C! These guys having problems sound like they are shooting cheap ammo. That will get you poor performance out of most guns. It’s like putting cheap gas in a monster truck! I bought a stack of surplus 30rd mags and mine shoots mil spec 5.56 flawlessly. Sights are easy to adjust. I love shooting it with stock folded. I put a single point sling on it and carrying it while on foot is a breeze. This is my favorite gun in my safe.

  27. I like it better if it came in another round such as 5.45x39mm which is much cheaper to shoot. The high cost of .223.5.56NATO makes it prohibitively expensive to practice with or stock up.

  28. I live in New York State and own an SU 16B. It is an excellent rifle. It does not fire while folded but the butt stock can store two ten round magazines or one thirty round which makes it perfect as a just in case gun. The bipod is really not steady enough to aim with but can come in handy as a rest or if you are shooting with one hand. Worked great for my father who has MS. One more excellent feature about the SU 16 A and B models is that they are not covered under New York’s absurd gun laws and do not have to be registered.

  29. Forget using the bipod. It shifts the strike about 6 inches when deployed. Ajusting the rear sight is a trial and error nightmare. The first extractor claw wore down smooth after 100 rounds of nonbrass cheap ammo. The soft firing pin wore down so it would only dimple the primer..this was 4 years ago so KT may have cured it already.

    BUT put a hard extractor and firing pin in with a nice 1-4X CQ scope with lighted ret and you will have the nicest most reliable easiest cleaned 2 moa package around anywhere.

  30. I have had my SU-16CA for about three years, and I have probably put about 800 rounds through it in that time (I shoot my handguns more than my rifles), and the only malfunction that I have ever had was a stovepipe malfunction that occurred during my first magazine through it. I have used various brands of ammo, all with flawless function using steel AR-Stoner magazines. It even ran perfectly with 100 rounds of Tula steel-cased ammo that I recently used just to see if it would run steel.

    Yes, the factory rear sight leaves a lot to be desired, but the Tech Sight that I bought makes the rifle about perfect as a simple plinker or survival rifle. I love my SU-16.

  31. I’ve had the kel tec su-16CA model for a number of years. What a ripoff! The darn thing jams up before it cycles through 100 rounds. I’ve replaced the extractor with a quality one and changed the bolt handle (some forms said that would correct the issue) and it still jams. The company would not send a new bolt handle and I purchased the extractor myself. The company said they would take a look at it, but others have had problems too. It’s a nice concept, but completely unreliable. Oh, the mags that come with it are unreliable also; the rounds will fall out while they are in the stock. Save yourself the trouble and buy an AR.

  32. Thanks for the write up Jackson. My personal opinion is te love affair we have with high end stuff is based more on ego than practicality. You can buy high end scopes for your AR which will be worse than useless in many area’s because engagement ranges are to close to use them. In the eastern half of the US the 5 MOA an aimpoint gives you at 100 meters is more than accurate enough to drop a white tail deer, hog or perp. Most modern AR/Sporting rifles shoot at 2 or below with off the shelf ammo. My SCAR 17 after a new trigger gives me <1 MOA with nonmatch grade ammo at 100m but with a .308 so what if I hit an inch or two from his center shirt button. An inexpensive RELIABLE lightweight rifle is the perfect stow away/saddle/backpack gun. If it gets dinged up so what. I have seen some AKs that looked like they had been attacked by hammers and wood chisles but they functioned just fine. Now lets see some better ammo!

  33. My brother purchased that particular model around 4 years ago or so. Between the two of us we haven’t fired it much, but I felt that it was a pretty solid shooter. I can’t complain about the trigger pull. I didn’t much care for the stock sights, personally I would have put a red dot sight on it, or possibly an adjustable zoom scope. we never really tried to test for the best groups we could shoot, but any reviews ive read gave it MOA accuracy, even better at 50 yards. overall I don’t really have any complaints about the rifle. Its a good stow away rifle, the collapsible stock would make it ideal for carrying in a backpack for camping, hiking, or other wilderness related activities. My brother bought it at a gun show in Tampa, Fl. He paid about $700 for it which I personally think is too high. I’d pay 500 for one just because its a fun rifle to own. Im more adapted to my Norinco SKS, that is the primary rifle I’ve grown up shooting, but over all I think Kel-Tec did a good job designing the rifle. We did have one shell that failed to eject and it was a bit of a pain to dislodge, but other than that I don’t recall any real problems with the rifle. If you can find one for around $500 bucks and have the money to spend it isn’t a bad choice. Its not a $2000+ high end AR so don’t expect the holy grail of .223/5.56 semi-auto rifles, but all in all it is a decent buy.

  34. What do you mean “initial rush”? This firearm has been out for several years. I picked it up for ~$550 when it first came out. It’s a great weapon.

  35. They want $770 for it now which is ridiculous. I think you can get a Windom for less than that. If they could get the price down to $500 or less I’d buy one just to hide away.

  36. As soon as the initial rush passes, the 16c should run under $600. That’s what it looks like to me anyway.

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