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Panic Buy 2012: Separating Fact from Fiction

In the past few months, conflicting claims have been swirling around the Internet regarding the sales of firearms, ammunition, and accessories. There are rumors of a “panic buy” similar to what occurred after the 2008 election. Forwarded e-mail is flying around about the United Nations and microstamping, and political groups cherry-pick statistics to fit the agendas they push. Will Panic Buy 2012 be worse than Panic Buy 2008? Has it already started? Everybody, lets calm down, cut through the crap and try to answer a few basic questions about what is going on with the American firearms industry and our 2nd Amendment rights.

Is There A “Run” On Firearms Right Now? YES

There have been several articles in the mainstream media about the boom in FBI NICS background checks. NICS checks only track sales of firearms through Federal Firearms License holders, so it is not an exact science. Guns sold in private sales between individuals do not require a NICS check (this is what politicians like to call the “gun show loophole”), so the NICS checks don’t represent the total number of guns sold. On the other hand, many gun stores, pawnbrokers, and online Web sites deal largely in used firearms, so not every NICS check represents the sale of a newly manufactured gun just entering the firearms market for the first time. The FBI says it received 16.3 million inquiries for NICS checks in 2011, up from 12.7 million in 2008 and 11.4 million in 2007. However, that does not mean four million more new-in-the-box firearms were sold last year compared to 2008. The Brady Campaign is actually circulating a claim that the number of total firearms owners in the U.S.A. is going down, but facts have never been important to them. Many Americans are buying their first gun, but there is also some anecdotal evidence that this surge in sales is due mostly to existing gun owners adding more guns to their collections. However, there are no hard statistical numbers supporting this, and as 2nd Amendment supporters we do not particularly want the government or anyone else to keep track of how many guns each gun owner keeps in their safe. Nevertheless, it is abundantly clear that right now, people are buying guns faster than manufacturers can build them. We heard this over and over again at the 2012 SHOT Show when asking gun makers when we could expect to see their newest products on the market. Without exception, they all said not to expect the new products anytime soon, because they were focusing all their resources on filling the backorders for their existing product lines. Ruger announced on March 22, 2012 that they are temporarily suspending new orders for guns, because they have exceeded a million orders for firearms they have not built yet. That’s a pretty big backlog for a company that doesn’t outsource any components. Ruger makes everything in house so it’s not as if they are waiting to receive springs or magazines from some other company that has problems with production. They just simply cannot meet demand.

Are Ammo Makers Cutting Production Because of An Ammunition “Glut”? HECK NO

Ammo sales have followed gun sales and are currently at record highs. Ammo companies are building cartridges as fast as they can, but raw components are harder to get and now cost more than ever before. Bulk military surplus ammo is largely a thing of the past. An executive order by President Bill Clinton in the late 1990s made it illegal for the U.S. military to sell surplus ammunition unless it was done through the government’s ODCMP Civilian Marksmanship Program. The Program does sell ammunition but has no U.S. government surplus on hand at this time. Cheaper Than Dirt sometimes gets inquiries about the bulk 5.56 NATO ammo we sell, asking whether it is some kind of “factory seconds” that didn’t make muster for the military. It is illegal to sell ammo intended for use by the U.S. military due to that executive order. Millions of rounds of that ammo, paid with your tax dollars, is burned every year instead. At the same time, a two-front war in Afghanistan and Iraq for the past decade has consumed untold amounts of cartridge components. The Government Accounting Office reported last year that the U.S. military fired an estimated 250,000 rounds of ammunition for every insurgent killed in Iraq and Afghanistan over the past ten years. Surplus? I wish! In fact, the U.S. military had to make a special ammo order from Israel to supplement the best efforts of ATK/Lake City. Total usage for training and combat has now reached about 1.8 billion rounds per year, or almost five million rounds of ammo expended every day. Those numbers are pretty difficult for me to comprehend. Even if you don’t own a 5.56 rifle and you only shoot a .270 Winchester, the wars have greatly affected the cost of the components used to make your ammunition too. The lead and copper to make bullets, and the brass to make cases, all cost more now because we took all we had and shot it at bad guys halfway around the world. The cost of new ammunition has risen about 8% so far this year and we are just in March. Hornady is selling innovative “Steel Match” ammo in an attempt to prove that not all steel cased ammo has to be inaccurate Russian-made stuff. They would never have considered doing that only a few years ago. They just have to do something, anything, to keep their ammo affordable, and buying more brass isn’t affordable anymore. Look for other ammo companies to follow their example soon. Polymer-cased ammunition is also making a comeback. PCP Ammo came out with an improved plastic casing design and was promptly swamped with orders at SHOT Show this year. Where has all the brass gone? Well, it’s all over the ground in Fallujah and Marjah.

Why Are Evil Black Rifles Sales Leaders? THEY ARE SCARY

It is hard to believe that nearly 20 years have passed since the adoption of the Federal “Assault Weapons Ban” prohibited possession of rifles with folding stocks, flash hiders, and other “evil features” that made politicians afraid of them. In 1994, most Americans believed that the ban had something to do with machineguns. For most of the country, this silly law expired 10 years later, but a few elitist states continue to insist that a muzzle attachment should be the difference between a legal firearm and a felony conviction. What the ban did more than anything else was draw attention to a small segment of the firearms market and tell Americans that the government didn’t really want us to have these scary things, but couldn’t quite stop us from getting them. It’s always a mistake to tell Americans that. Since the “sunset” of the ban in 2004, the market for tactical firearms has grown by leaps and bounds to eclipse the rest of the firearms industry. Thirty years ago, in the 1980s, the guys who were into AK-47s and AR-15s were on the fringe. They were a little weird and a little scary, talking in whispers about fighting the Russians on the home front during World War III. Most “ordinary” shooters hunted with bolt action .270s and thought those guys had watched “Red Dawn” too many times on their VHS players. An AR-15 shooter at the local range would be challenged with “What does anyone need a 20-round magazine for?” and “You can’t hunt with that thing anyway.” Fast forward to the present day and a cultural change has taken place in the shooting community. Even many first time buyers now deliberately seek out the scariest, most aggressive looking tactical rifle they can find, and Surefire is selling 60- and 100-round magazines to any civilian shooters who don’t already have a Beta C mag lying around. Talking openly of laying waste to zombie hordes does not make you a weirdo when many gun clubs now hold special zombie shoots on weekends. In fact, it is so commonplace that some people think the zombie meme is getting worn out. In 2012, the weirdo is the guy with a wood-stocked .270 at the end of the shooting range who doesn’t know the difference between an AR and an AK. We are living in the golden age of the black rifle and no matter how many companies announce that they too are building a tactical rifle, all of them are having difficulty keeping up with public demand for these guns. Once demonized and attacked for being scary guns, the black rifles are now prized possessions because they are scary. Many folks in states like California install “bullet buttons” and block off Magpul PMAGs to 10 rounds capacity in an attempt to make their less-functional rifles look as military as possible. Even .22 LR rifles are now being made to look as tactical as possible to promote sales, although there is nothing truly tactical about rimfire plinking guns. They are popular because they look military and aggressive while still being affordable to shoot. What that says about our American culture as a whole, dear readers, you may interpret for yourselves.

Is Obama, the UN, or the EPA Coming for Our Guns? NOT TODAY

There is plenty of anecdotal evidence that President Obama’s administration is anti-gun. Promising Brady Campaign representatives that he would work on gun control measures “under the radar” was followed by the “Fast and Furious” debacle. While the BATFE provided drug cartels with thousands of weapons in an ill-conceived “gunwalking” scheme, government mouthpieces blamed American gun owners for Mexican drug violence. Some people see clumsy government ineptitude, others see a sneaky attempt to undermine the Constitution. You decide. Likewise, there is no doubt that President Obama is personally anti-gun. Author John Lott recalls that he first met Obama when lecturing at the University of Chicago, years before Obama became a Senator. Lott claims Obama’s introduction was, “Oh you’re the gun guy… I don’t believe people should be able to own guns.” However, what Obama personally believes and what he can accomplish as President are two different things. There is no hard evidence whatsoever that UN disarmament initiatives are getting anywhere. Yes, a microstamping technology law was proposed in New York for the fourth year in a row and is very unlikely to ever see a vote. There is a petition written by the left-wing Center for Biological Diversity calling for the EPA to ban lead ammunition. The EPA first started looking into this in 1999, and is planning on making no regulatory changes whatsoever. The lead-ban petition has as much political clout right now as the online petition for Congress to take Jersey Shore off the air. Last, the Department of Homeland Security recently purchased 450 million rounds of .40S&W ammunition from Federal and ATK for police use across the country. An Internet rumor has them instructing ammo manufacturers not to sell common pistol and rifle cartridges to civilians in preparation for a nationwide declaration of martial law. While that sure is a big ammo order, the rest of that story is simply not true.

Who knows what laws will be proposed and passed during a second Obama term or a first Romney term? Right now, state legislatures are proposing and passing pro-gun and pro-self defense laws all across the country. In the wake of the D.C. vs. Heller Supreme Court case affirming the 2nd Amendment, courts around the nation are also striking down anti-gun laws and holding up the 2nd Amendment as an individual right to not only keep but bear arms. The past three years or so have been a dark chapter for anti-gunners. Despite some setbacks, much progress has been made in the name of liberty and individual rights through brave legislators and strong legal challenges. So do a little research about what’s really going on before forwarding that chain email about men in blue helmets driving FEMA trucks escorting drug runners on the Mexico border.  Not everything you see on Facebook is true.

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Comments (45)

  1. I don’t believe this for a second. If they were making ammo full bore, we would occassionally see ammo for sale somewhere. There aren’t cartridges or componants anywhere. They are on backorder for everything and not just .38, 9mm, .40 and .45. This is really screwy. I spoke with a gun dealer who has a brother working at Remmington and his brother claims they went to half production and have full trucks sitting at the dock. I do not have any means to check this out independently, but when Midwayusa, Cabella’s and cheaper than dirt run out of ammuniton, something big is happening.

  2. To understand the Left’s intentions, look at what they do in California. It seems most of the mischief they wreak upon this nation is first legislated in California as a test bed and to create a precedent for public acceptance.

    Nancy Skinner has proposed ammunition registration to track people who buy it in bulk.

    Not all of their bills are passed when introduced but they do allow you to understand what the Leftists are trying to accomplish. You can be sure that whatever they try to do to California they will also try to impose upon the rest of the nation.

    And the US Constitution absolutely prohibits them from infringing upon your Right to keep and bear arms (combat firearms and other personal weaponry).

  3. Everybody take a deep breath…”they” are not taking your guns away….there are a lot of squeaky wheel liberals out there and that’s what has everybody’s attention… still have the secondary market and the guns you already have….THAT I guarantee you will not be confiscated, why? Being ex-military and brother of, and neighbor to several cops and state troopers and freind of a fed…..none of them care to enforce such a law………for good reason…..if you joined a police/state/federal force and your PIC/Sup/commander asked you to go around door to door confiscating the valuable property that represented a large investment of previously law abiding citizens and who had recently become enraged about new laws making them criminals, and that you know are HEAVILY armed, what would you say? This isn’t Britain, this isn’t Australia, it’s part of our constitution not a gift of govt like it was for those guys….

  4. Hope the conclusion of the editor is right. However, I will allow the little voice in the back of my mind to remain, that keeps reminding me how many civilizations also said “It can’t happen here”.

  5. I have read every post here and I agree with all. I spent 22 years serving in the AF to protect All the Rights of all Americans. I had a fair stock of ammo, mags and guns already. Haven’t had to go out and buy a bunch. I fight everyday the urge to call some liberal media outlet and go off on them but I do not. They can’t help it if they are stupid. Why has nobody brought to light the fact that the scumbag who killed all those kids was able to do so because his mother was (not to be disrespectful) an IDIOT….Who in their right mind leaves that kind of arsenal unsecured when there is a mentally challenged individual (politically correct) in the house with access to them. WTF!!!!! Now if this mentally challenged dipshit had drank a fifth of Jack and drove into a school bus loaded with children and killed them all, would the whole country be going apeshit to have alcohol control? I think not…I’m not looking to fight but it will be a cold day in hell when I give up my guns to the very people I served to defend their rights as an American…

  6. I have done my share of fighting and bleeding for the good old USA. However if they would like me to relinquish my firearms I guess they could just knock on my door and ask nicely and see how that would work out for em.

  7. Well, here we go again. For those who think it’s only the paranoia of the gun buing public and the greed of the sellers driving the current market – Feinstein, et al, actually DID ban a lot of items and drovce up thep price of magazines alone to triple the original price or more. I bought a large number of magazines for all my black rifles the day after that momma’s boy nutball killed her and all those kids.

    Don’t you get it? This time they plan to get it ‘right’ so that by the time they are done, there will be registration. What has ALWAYS followed registration? Yes, confiscation. Not next week. Maybe not next decade. But. Sooner or later another nutball or 2 will steal mommy’s grandfathered black rifle, go to yet another ‘gun free’ zone, kill a bunch of defenseless idiots who think banning guns keeps them safe and they will come for whatever is left.

    Why? For the same reason they have built their Homeland Security army, have lots of armed guards themselves and do everything in their power to lie, villify and hysterically screech about why average citizens don’t need the same protection – power.

    Once the guns are essentially gone, then what? Oh, it will be just like England, Japan and Australia – no worries. Ever been to the UK? CCTV cameras everywhere, taxes through the roof, home invasion burglaries and violent crime in every major city. The criminals KNOW they don’t have guns – so why not rape, murder and rob if you do? OR a knife? Or happen to be a bigger, tougher gang?

    If you want to bury your head in the sand and scoff at the rest of us who have our ammo and magazines taken care of and plenty of interesting places to lose it all if worse comes to worse, enjoy slavery. Of course, the black maks thugs can take us out one at a time – but that is exactly why we need to organize, make our voices heard and keep people who defend themselves from cirminals with guns in the public eye. Remember Suzanna Gratia Hupp? Another known nut job in Texas crashes into a Luby’s and starts shooting. He killed her parents and her gun was in her car. No CCW law.

    So, what will you do when the rioters want to loot your store? When an armed gang knocks down the front door of your house? When a hurricane hits, the power is off for two weeks, the cops all run away and the gang bangers and looters come to your washed out living room wall looking for your money, your food, your life or your wife?

    So, 10 rounds is enough? Then, why, pray tell, do the military and police use higher capacity magazines? So they don’t run out in a fire fight. And, yes, you miss some times-250,000 rounds per bad guy ring any bells? How about just needing suppressive fire? Firepower is iife in an ambush.

    Summing it up, I don;t care what Feinstein thinks I ‘need’. Or anyone else. That is what a rights is – and the reason for it is what if, not some paranoid Red Dawn scenario. You have fire insurance in case of a fire – not because you are convinced lightning will strike you in the next 5 minutss and burn down your house. But. What if it did?

    So, I have criminal and dictator insurance. And plenty of it. It may not be enought, but, as a poster elsewheree said – they may find me dead in a dtich one day, but I will be surrounded by piles of smoking brass. or, at least there will be several piles as I move and shoot, move and shoot. Maybe they’ll just try to grab me when I am at work or at the super market, but they can’t get us all if we stay vocal and organized. We are not criminals because we own black rifles and big ol’ steel, teflon and aluminum boxes with springs in tehm. Yet.

  8. I guess I am one of the ‘Panic’ buyers. Except in my case it was because I saw what was coming the day the little kids were murdered by a mad dog subhuman scumbag. The leftist, gun hating politicians were bound to come out of the woodwork to work this opportunity to the max. Our congress has a long history of impulse, emotionally driven “do good?” bad law generation. So I beat the rush and am happy to have done so looking at the empty shelves and internet “not in stock” multitudes. All my fun will disappear if they come to take my guns. I don’t like blood at all, but would join some of my ancestors who valued freedom over life itself.

  9. What gets me is the government that is trying to disarm American citizens (in the name of their own safety) is the same government that: 1) Illegally sold weapons to arm mexican drug lords who used them to slaughter the civilians who could not lawfully own weapons. So they just died like sheep in a pen. 2) Ordered the Marine Calvary to stand down while American were under fire in Benghazi, then watched them get slaughter and tried to cover it up. 3) Has a standing assassination order on Americans citizens on foreign soil aiding the “terrorists”. They can just kill them without “due process”. I wouldn’t care, except we spend billions to protect the right of “due process” for foreign terrorists in Gitmo. We can’t even scare them alittle with a wet towel, but it’s ok to kill Americans on site if the are aiding the terrorists. That’s what concerns me.

  10. My concern is not the North koreans invading the United States or the Illuminati or the Tri-Laterals.
    My concern is the armed break in of my residence ar 2:00 am; and the Constable requiring 15 minutes to answer the 911 call.
    My concern is being able to take care of myself such the when the Medical Examiner comes; it is for the other guy and not for me or my family.
    Diane Feinstein has armed prtection; Bloomberg has armed protection.
    Why should I be any different?

  11. Why do you restrict sales of legal Ca. ar-15’s and legal CA AR-15 complete upper r3eceviers to Ca. citizens. Are you aware that accepting USA Legal tender requires the retailer to do business with legal citizens of the USA? It is in your business license.
    Also, your directions are a farce, as you ask for our name and mail. My mail is my address, not my email address!

  12. It is seemingly impossible to have a sane and rational conversation about our gun culture and determine solutions. If we can’t back away from the constitutional rhetoric and emotionalism surrounding this issue. If a solution is to ban assault rifles (even if no one can agree to what this means) high capacity Mags. This will not “solve” our problem, because we as a people have not agreed to what the problem(s) actually are. The dynamics of profit, greed, supply and demand & “individual rights”, prevent us as a species to come to a liveable solution to this situation. We have de-evolved into a narcisist “me” culture and away from community-which allows for a thinking process to appear as rational. It’s “me against everyone else”, so it’s perfectly logical to arm everyone to protect us from our terroristic neighbors. Until we can stop over-sensationalizing of our own fear, our panic, our “rights”, could we come to a sensible solution to our love of guns and where they belong in our lives.

  13. What happened to this place? All you hard working, seemingly intelligent people scambling around buying up mags,ammo,firearms. What’s next, bb’s? slingshots? Frisbee’s? When did we become so afraid of our inept, corrupt government? (It should be the other way around.) They don’t give a damn about you or I. They are only there to line their own pockets, say all the things they think we want to hear just to get re-elected again. NOTHING, is going to happen…Several years ago a manic shot people in public, broad daylight and shot a Congresswoman, A CONGRESSWOMAN!! Point blank. Nothing happened. I have served in the USAF along with my wife, and we enjoy competitive handgun shooting, but do you really need to buy every 30 round mag there is? Someone I work with went to one of the local stores and bought ALL of their 30 rd.mags.(9)! I asked he if he had heard if German paratroops or the Taliban had set foot in the U.S…..Maybe the Soviets? Er, maybe the Shoshone Indians…Wasn’t that a Roman Legion I just saw? He was not amused, he just glared at me rambling something about they’ll take everything away..WTF? He owns enough firearms to make a African warlord jealous. Yet, he never shoots. Put 2&2 together guys, FEAR is what makes this country function, PROFIT drives everything, do you really think Washington is going to outlaw a huge reaping of money? Ammo, Firearms, Distributors, gouging driving prices up & up, And we (who panic so easily) fall right into the profit trap!! AR’s, AK’s SKS’s are all really fun, but do we really need them? Glocks with a 50,000 round extended mags. Really? Are we so insecure in our manhood? Our big truck,SUV driving, football, manly posturing bull****? The one blog of a guy going on about the whole family serving forever, only one had died on U.S soil, What’s so great about dying? in Iraq? (lies.) Vietnam?(lies.) Go check out all the Military Cemetaries packed with dead soldiers all because god or their governments said it was a good idea. (Sorry got carried away there.) Did Obama do anything in 4 yrs? Nope. Do you really think anything is going to change? My life is no better or no worse. Well, maybe a little since that idiot bush took most of our rights away. So we could feel safe. Really? Take all of our guns away? Yeah right. You have lots of guns, you sometimes have people die, alot, in large chunks. I’m a gunowner and it makes me sick…Maybe there is something fundamentally wrong with our country, so afraid, so skewed, so violent….I think Bette Midler said it best, that our Countrys best times are behind us…

  14. My dad was a Detroit police officer for 25 years. I remember him coming home from the “office” each day and putting his 38 police special in the hall closet. I was taught from an early age how to respect firearms and not once did I even look at the gun unless he was cleaning it or shooting at the range. He had a CCW permit well into his 70’s and prevented a robbery when no one expected some old man to be armed. My family also has served from the civil war and each conflict since. Twice I have had the police chase suspects into our backyard, even knowing the police were outside I never felt safer knowing that if these guys ran into our home having a self defense weapon was clearly the right choice during that real situation, we were scared as hell and relieved to not be sitting there with a baseball bat.

  15. The original article is almost a year old. I wonder how the authors stated info and circumstances may have changed since then? We have gone through 2nd amendment scares before but this one does seem particularly acute and fueled by very emotionally charged events. We must all remain calm and respond to politically charged rhetoric with known facts. Such as:
    1- stricter gun laws do not/will not work. (check the numbers worldwide that show past implemented gun bans had zero appreciable reduction in deaths from firearms but a general uptick in crime overall)
    2- psychopaths will always find a way to hurt people (last time I checked people like Ted Bundy, Charles Manson and John Wayne Gacy never used firearms and they stacked dead bodies up like cord wood. Little kids too! Why don’t we just make crazy people illegal?)
    3- the 2nd amendment wasn’t crafted for hunting or self defense stupid (what it was created for was not only as a symbol of our true freedom but as a real fail-safe mechanism to ensure that citizens of this great United States of America will never have to suffer from or be subject to a tyrannical government)
    and finally
    4- “there are no dangerous weapons, there are only dangerous men” (thanks Robert A. Heinlein)

  16. Very informational. It would be interesting to see how much, if any of this has changed post Sandy Hook.

  17. Its kind of like him taking a $4million dollar vacation while we pay for it,Obama, does not lead by example.I see his loved ones are guarded with???Yes folks,GUNS…such a hypocrite,how he made it back in I will never know,he has taken our money,now he wants to take our guns,I say Hell No,its our rights,for him to even mess with our constitution is UNAMERICAN!If we let him take our guns then he can do what ever he likes.That gives predators who hurt our children and families the green light for destruction!I will not give up my right to bear arms,EVER!!!!

  18. I cannot understand the liberals. Are they just bored and now found something to do other than jackoff. I will stand with my 2nd Admendment brothers and sisters. Yes, we should somehow unite and stand with the NRA in the LEGAL fight with President, OUR Congress and OUR Senate. We can do this without violence, let the liberals try to use thier Homeland Security Black Uniforms ATF(E) to use violence, then we throw it back at them. And we have to stand tall together.
    Brothers and sisters, do not use violence for our cause. The liberals would be all over the fact we cannot fight them in the courts and have to fall into their plans. As someone said, take your kids to the firing ranges and teach them how use pistols and rifles, including our “black guns.”
    Teach kids and adults how to break down their weapon and clean it. Having been the Army, I know to clean my AR15 and my other firearms every time I come home. You need a clean weapon for emergencies.
    As of the OUR government coming for my weapon, I will stand with my brothers and sisters.

  19. Comments like “Once demonized and attacked for being scary guns, the black rifles are now prized possessions because they are scary” are just the type of thing the gun haters will use against us. The gun shows on tv don’t depict people out plinking at targets and having a fun and safe time. They show people shooting explosives blowing up cars and the like. What on earth were they thinking when they came up with those types of shows? I think the anti-gunners are behind those shows and want to make the gun owners look as crazy as possible. It’s no wonder that non gun owners think people who own guns are nuts. The nutty side is all they ever see. I agree that a show about people picking tin cans off a fence rail would be boring so maybe don’t have the shows at all. We keep shooting ourselves in the foot with these types of programs and the way we make guns out as some sort of toy. So think about the person who knows nothing about guns and think about what kind of education they are getting about guns. Does the non gun owner ever hear anything good about guns?

  20. It is a sad state of affairs when a psyco commits an unspeakable act, and the lib politicians come out of the woodwork screaming for gun control, that in the past has not worked. Sometimes bad things happen to good people it is a fact of life. I for one will not stand for any new regulations that threaten our 2nd amendment, and I hope my brothers and sisters stand strong with me.

  21. Thanks for a great article Mike.

    Frank, I too have a long family history of serving this great country. When My family came over in 1736, it was still an English Colony. We’ve fought in every war/conflict since the Revalutionary War. I retired with 21 yrs and fought in Iraq. I love shooting any gun. If they outlaw the “black guns” (no this is not a racist comment), then only outlaws will own them rings with so much truth. My SKS, M-4, 500-A and pistols are for sport shooting only. I just love it. I grew up on a farm where we could walk out the back door and shoot all we wanted. Rabbit hunt, squarrel hunt, dove hunt, deer hunt, you name it. I grew up with guns. I can’t imagine not being allowed to continue such a great sport.

  22. The one’s that are afraid, are the A holes in Washington that have run this country into the ground. There are 3 million .223 owners in the the US. Maybe we should organize. This is what they are afraid of, the arming of the middle class, that may take back our government one day.

  23. My family and I have 237 years of military service to the USA. We fought the Britts three times. Today, I have lost a 21 year old son in the USMC, My 2nd oldest son in in, Afganistan getting attacked multiple times a day every day. He did a tour in Iraq also. My brothers all served as his sons are still serving. my 1st cousin’s daughter is in Afganistan. My father was killed in the USMC in 1956 after serving all of WWII in the So. Pacific and Korea. My GGrand Father Rufus died at Little Rock Feb 3,1863 I can go on and on. My Family will not allow the constituition to be trashed. We paid for it with our blood more than once. My point is: I will remain Loyal to my oath to all brothers in arms.

  24. RE: PEOPLE LIKE TO COLLECT GUNS BUT NEVER USE THEM?If you have a weapon…it is for killing, not target shooting. It has been mutated into something like a ‘sport’…but really GUNS ARE FOR KILLING.
    I almost want to say:
    Who secretly does NOT want some gigantic, semi-war to happen?
    Comment by Dorner — December 22, 2012 @ 9:03 am

    Dorner I sincerely hope misunderstood your rhetoric!

    makes my skin crawl. You obviously have never had to shoot another human being. If you have and you still feel this way then you sir are a cold hearted, insensitive lying Bastard!

  25. Man Dorker, I almost don’t know what to say about those remarks. Thanks Mike, for another stimulating article with interesting information. I too was once one of those people who wasn’t enamored by scary, all black weapons, and was only turned on by shiny bluing, and nicely figured white line spacered walnut stocks, with Pachmayr pads. In the mid ’70s my Brother’n law brought over his new Uzi with all the extra bbls. On the 110 yd range and with only the military aperture sights, I emptied the entire 32 rnd magazine a single shot at a time. After the first ten to twelve shots just making sort of spitting sounds rather than the loud reports I was used to, I said;” I can’t even tell that I’m hitting the target, and this short collapsable stock with steel butt isn’t comfortable at all to shoot.” He said; “Go ahead, just keep going.” Once I’d fired all 32 9mm rnds, we walked downrange to find a ragged hole about 2″ in diameter, centered right in the middle of the Bullseye. As impressive as that seems to me today, I wasn’t impressed then, but it had nothing to do with accuracy. I just wasn’t turned on by the all metal, all black little semi auto with the un comfortable butt, stock, and a trigger unlike any of my conventional hunting rifles. I didn’t appreciate it for what it was. Now, I have a home defense, Police shotgun, and an AK-47 which I love to shoot, while my conventional weapons sit idle. No doubt the tides of guns/shooting have turned, and so abruptly, so aggressively, that manufacturers seem to have been caught off guard, and are being tested to keep up with the demand. Now with the shooting at Sandy Hook, it seems we may have set forth coming detremental changes, at least preposed ones that won’t benefit us, or victems of crime. It’s not only sad, but rediculous that it’s come to this.


    If you have a weapon…it is for killing, not target shooting. It has been mutated into something like a ‘sport’…but really GUNS ARE FOR KILLING.

    I almost want to say:


    Who secretly does NOT want some gigantic, semi-war to happen?


  27. Lets cut through the crap is right.
    In three days all 5.56 military ammo has disappeared from the Internet.
    AR-1’s are following. I have a gun show tomorrow – York Pa.
    I will bet my house the place will have three times the attendance of a normal gun show. I have been shooting for years. I have a concern of what laws will be coming but I do not live in fear day after day as some. There is a group that FEAR the lose of their firearms. Go to any on line gun forum and that group (mind set) will jump right out.
    I have been through this many time -since 1975. The fear now is most intense.
    ~Have a great day~

  28. Well as of Dec 18,2012 you obviously need to update the answer for ….Is Obama Coming for Our Guns?… from …Not Today…. to YEP!

    All the GimmeDat Politicians are clucking like chickens pointing their fingers at the “evil” gun owners and talking about wanting an “honest discussion”. Sheet, that’s the last they want. My first rely is OK, let’s talk about the leftist dogma of the last 30+ years drilled into kids about how special they are and how much self-esteem they are entitled to. That 30+ years of self-esteem building has resulted in two generations of kids and young adults that believe they can define their own rules or right and wrong. Since they’ve been indoctrinated into the idea that there is no universal God…. well then they can be their own God. OK now… lets have an honest discussion about that premise. ….crickets from the leftists and mass media…..

    Hitler, Mussolini, PolPot, Mao, Stalin all had high self-esteem. Mother Teresa and Maj. Dick Winters I bet not so much.

  29. I did a search, “What are gun prices doing right now?”, and I found your letter! Thank you for the good information, and if you have more to offer later on, I’m interested in hearing what you have to say. Happy Holidays to you and your family, Joe.

  30. I am convinced this “panic buy” is nothing than a marketing ploy by the gun and ammo industry to line their own pockets. Unfortunately, it seems, many gun enthusiasts do not wish to be confused by facts and are buying into the scaremongering that is solely serving to further enrich the gun and ammo industry. This industry, like all businesses, cares nothing for you, only their bottom line and will stopp to any means to increase their profits.

  31. I dunno… 450 million rounds for cops? Not all cops use .40 cal… That’s a very tall order for the Department of Homeland Security… I still don’t trust our government.

  32. Hey, y’all! Stop buying new guns long enough for the gun manufacturers to wow us with some new concepts and designs, OK? 😉

  33. i don’t know about all ruger weapons, but the lcp mags or at least some of them are made in italy. i bought factory ones and they are stamped made in italy.

  34. You also have to remember India, China and Russia are going through economic explosions right now, and more and more modern material is needed to build condos, homes and buildings. Brass wire is needed, copper wire, lead(like you mentioned Mike) and even down to the basic raw material for the gun powder it’s self(Potassium Nitrate, Sulfer etc.) The Planet is growing, and more and more nations are beginning to have “modernization” going on and I don’t think we have seen the last of it yet.

  35. Greg– component costs are based on supply and demand worldwide. Advances in transportation and communication mean we live in a truly global economy now, so the price of lead went up noticeably when, for example, China decided to make 150 million electric mopeds using lead batteries. The lead price increase isn’t just for ammo either, its for all uses–auto shops are complaining that the cost of lead weights to balance wheels has skyrocketed, leading to the development of lead-free wheel weights which are now hitting the market. Its simple supply and demand.

    Or, you could say its because of a world-wide conspiracy by the Bavarian Illuminati to hasten the New World Order. Maybe… LOL –CTD Mike

  36. Referring to reloading, I am curious as to why components have gone up so much. When I first started reloading 12 gauge shotshells, a box of Winchester AA was about 5.00 while the cost to reload the same box was about 1.75. Fast forward to today, that same box of factory shells is about 7.00, but relaoding them is closer to 3.00. The cost of lead shot in particular has skyrocketed. It is averaging about 65%-70% of the cost of a factory shell to make rifle and shotgun ammo, that’s before the equipment costs.

  37. You forgot to mention that while the states are moving towards better gun legislature, Illinois has continued to single out gun owners with FOID cards, anti-concealed carry attitude, and proposals for registration/taxation of ammo. Unfortunately we are ruled by Chicago.

  38. Very interesting reading,however don’t underestimate the zeal of the anti-gunners.They hope to chip away incrementally at your rights,not in one big giant step.We must not give them one damn inch!Once they get the ball rolling they will not cease.The best way I’ve found is to take young people out to the range and get them shooting and handling a weapon.Once their fears are dispelled and they actually enjoy the experience you win over the younger generation and change attitudes one person at a time!This will lay the groundwork for the future of the 2nd amendment to be there for the future generations of freedom loving Americans!

  39. What the 1.2 Million Gun challenge a little too much for Ruger? haha!

    I’ve also noticed the components for reloading have been going up as well, for someone to “start” reloading isn’t as cheap as it was in the 90’s that’s for damn sure.

  40. A very good read, thanks for posting and publishing this. Ammo prices are just like gas p[rices, they go up and they go down. Unfortunately they never quite come down far enough. Even with them being up right now they are still lower than in 2009-10 for the most part.

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