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Lessons Learned: Open Carry Gone Awry

Melvin Bogus after stealing a handgun

On December 17, at about 7 p.m. on State Street in Madison, Wisconsin, a 21-year-old open carrier and his friend were hanging out. It was well below freezing. Heavy coats, hats, and gloves were indicated. State Street runs from the University of Wisconsin to the State Capitol. It is about nine blocks long, and usually crowded with pedestrians, many of which are students. There are numerous bars and restaurants, as well as the Student Union and Memorial Library, Library Mall, and the Wisconsin Historical Society near the west end of the street.

The 21-year-old open carrier was from the nearby town of Black Earth. The Second Amendment activist had a shotgun, two pistols, and a large knife/machete. He was attempting to make political points while hoping to strike acquaintance with some women, maybe get some phone numbers.

First, let’s understand the type people who walk among us. They are the danger that makes us carry a firearm for self-defense.

Melvin Bogus, 39, no permanent address, well known to police, was also hanging out on State Street. He wasn’t supposed to be there.

Melvin Bogus after stealing a handgun
Handgun snatcher on State Street, Madison, WI

There is an arrest record for a prior inmate named Melvin F. Bogus from 2006. That inmate would be 39 this year. It may be the same person. There is a record of a Melvin F. Bogus of the same age, who was convicted of second degree robbery in 2010. The same Bogus or another Melvin Bogus, without permanent address, who is also 39 years old, on State Street in Madison, was charged with substantial battery and bail jumping on October 23, 2018—two months before this incident. The 54-year-old victim had to get stitches for a head wound. In that case, the officers were able to solve the crime using surveillance video, similar to the pistol snatching case in December.

Melvin Bogus’ first attorney, on 24 October was Crystal A. Vera.

At the status conference on 5 November, Bogus had a different attorney, David S. Knoll. Bogus was granted bond on 8 November, 2018
One of the conditions of Bogus’ bond was that he not be on State St. in Madison. From wicourts.gov:

CASH BOND AMENDED – $250 PER CASE. – Defendant shall not have any contact, direct or indirect, with FRH or VC. – Defendant shall not be on State St in Madison.

Knoll must have had a disagreement with his client, because he withdrew from the case on 10 December. Bogus had a third attorney, Mark Frank, appointed as public defender.

Then, on 17 December, just a week later, Bogus was recorded snatching a pistol from the open carrier and pointing it at him. From madison.com:

The friend said the victim, a gun advocate, wanted to make a statement about the right to bear arms and had been on busy State Street a couple of times practicing open carry,” DeSpain said. “The friend also admitted they were Downtown to get girls’ phone numbers.”

Bogus, who is known to Downtown patrol officers, confronted the man saying something like, “Why you wanna kill people?” DeSpain said. “The man with guns responded by saying he was armed because it was his right and it was for protection.”

Bogus then closed the distance between the two, getting close enough to grab a holstered handgun from the armed man, DeSpain said.

Bogus “pointed the loaded weapon at the victim, and the victim, in turn, pulled out his long gun and pointed it” at Bogus, DeSpain said. “It was a fluid, tense, and quick standoff.

Bogus ran off with the man’s gun, DeSpain said. Officers found him and recovered the stolen handgun, taking Bogus into custody on several tentative charges.

Some of the tentative charges against Bogus were bail jumping, carrying a concealed weapon, strong arm robbery, felon in possession of a firearm, reckless endangerment, and possession of cocaine.

If you are going to practice open carry, as a Second Amendment advocate, some preparation is in order. Think about the possibility of someone snatching a pistol. Training on avoiding, preventing, and actively stopping disarms is advisable.

Most open carriers have some sort of retaining device, perhaps travel in groups, to guard against exactly such a possibility. If there is more than one person, discussion of what tactics to use is common. Often, an unarmed member of the group will be a designated camera/video man.

Practice situational awareness. Have a plan on how to prevent a disarm attempt. Use of a retention holster is a good idea. As the purpose of the political action is political awareness, It is not necessary for all the guns to be loaded. Be particularly aware of people “closing the distance”. Mr. Bogus practiced what Marc MacYoung calls the interview, as a way to evaluate his intended victim.

There are plenty of convicted, career criminals/ mental cases/ drug addicts, similar to Mr. Bogus. You need to think about them, and how you will respond in a confrontation.

Mr. Bogus is very lucky he did not end up dead. The armed standoff only lasted a couple of seconds. No one fired. Perhaps Bogus had no intention of firing. Perhaps he had no understanding of the snatched pistol’s controls.

Melvin Bogus, Dane County Sheriff's Department booking photo
Melvin Bogus from Dane County Sheriff’s Department

Both participants were lucky. The open carrier did not justifiably shoot and kill Mr. Bogus. Even in deep blue Madison, with everything on video, he likely would not have been charged. He will get his pistol back. If he had to shoot Mr. Bogus, it would have been a long, nasty, time consuming process. People have a difficult time when they kill someone, even when justified.

Mr. Bogus will spend the rest of this (and likely more) winters in a warm Wisconsin jail and/or prison, where he will get three hots a day. It may be a better existence than he had on the street.

Snatches of pistols from open carriers are exceedingly rare. There are seven I can recall in the last ten years. One was in Milwaukee in 2010. One was in Oregon in 2014 (unloaded pistol, by law). One was in Washington State in 2015, (unsuccessful). There was one in Virginia in 2016 (after dark, before moonrise). One was in Phoenix, Arizona in 2016. Another was in North Carolina in 2017. Now there is one in Madison, Wisconsin (pistol quickly recovered).

There seem to be about as many pistols snatched from concealed carriers, who are pounced because their attackers do not know they are carrying, and consider them an unarmed mark. One concealed permit holder had a pistol taken from him. He chased the pistol thief, and was shot and killed. Some might argue that it was almost open carry, because the thief noticed the pistol when it was supposed to be concealed. Unfortunately, I have not recovered that link.

I have not found a single case where a pistol was taken from an open carrier, and the carrier was shot with their own pistol. This case in Madison is the closest.

The Madison police had a talk with the young open carry Second Amendment advocate. They stated he had the right to open carry. It was a refreshing change from 8 years ago when the Madison Police Department charged open carriers with obstruction of a peace officer and disorderly conduct for legally open carrying at a Culver’s restaurant. The police settled out of court.

The police talked to the young Second Amendment advocate about how lucky he was in this case.

Open carry is legal in 45 states. 15 of those require a permit. There are more than 17 million people with concealed carry permits. Most of those are legally able to openly carry where they can concealed carry.

12-13 states have Constitutional Carry, where no permit is required for either open or concealed carry, just as it was when the Bill of Rights was ratified.

Attacks on open carriers may be rare because of tactical deterrence. Most criminals do not wish to attack an armed person. There are easier prey about.

Most open carriers (the many I have met) are more careful than the youthful Second Amendment advocate looking to meet some girls on State Street. The advocate learned a valuable lesson. He will likely have a plan to prevent disarms in the future. A simple retention holster would have kept this disarm from being successful.

Do you carry openly? How would you prevent someone from grabbing your firearm when open carrying? What lessons can be learned from this incident? Share your answers in the comment section.

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Comments (54)

  1. If I were a criminal and wanted to hold up an establishment,. I would look for open carriers, and shoot them first.

    I don’t see the sense in telling everyone around me how I will defend myself. It will be an unpleasant surprise to them. I am just fine with my manhood, with my firearm concealed.

  2. Here’s the thing. If you want to carry (open or concealed) you must be tactically disciplined – if you aren’t or can’t be, don’t carry. At best, you will be an embarrassment to supporters of the 2nd Amend. At worst you will get someone (or yourself) killed. 1) Keep a safety zone around you. Do not let people get within arms length of you. 2) Its not a p*nis. You don’t have to show it off to impress anyone. 3) Don’t give away your advantage – no one should know you are carrying. 4) You aren’t a Marine Recon Special Forces Ranger Commando Seal operator. Don’t get involved in something you can’t finish. 5) If you do get involved, it will cost you. You may be a hero, but you will still likely need an attorney. 6) Taking a life isn’t like Call of Duty. Things will stay with you. Just some thoughts for the armchair Rambos out there.

  3. “Force it” on you? Well since you asked nicely, I will not force it on you. I will even grant immunity from civil liability if you have a firearm stolen and it is used in a future crime. My case for tethers is based on being alone in a hostile environment. No one there to watch your back. But for the married, I guess that some wives wouldn’t even touch a gun, and should run away to get help, while some would be packing iron themselves. We all bet everyday that we can predict and control whatever might happen. Only God can do that, but we try to cover all the bases but new bases keep popping up. You bet your life every time you get on the road. If you drive yourself you’re also betting the lives of others on or near the road that you don’t lose control of a 2 ton weapon. Same with a firearm, there needs to be “best practices” established, laws if needed, to prevent issues from occurring. Like traffic laws, cities should be able to set their own “carry zones” to limit open and or concealed carry, require training in retention, law, tactics, marksmanship, and display a permit sticker to show LEOs and citizens you are certified. I’d even go so far as to support smart holsters that call 911 when a weapon is drawn and starts recording/ transmitting GPS/audio/video Bluetooth, WiFi, 5G all that stuff. Proof you did the right thing, keeps people from drawing weapons casually etc. Guns with some kind of authorized/unauthorized user detection seem to be a good idea in special use situations once the technology matures enough. And the market will ultimately decide whether a product is worthy.

    1. I only answer to “Cryin Chuck” FYI, 🙂 Seriously, I don’t want to restrict the 2A at all, but I also don’t want a bunch of yahoos shooting up the place if I’m walking around. I started talking about fingerprint readers and tethers as possible options for open carry, but Order and Discipline in general need to be strongly encouraged if not “enforced” for public safety. How many guns should someone be allowed? How much ammo? I can’t make anyone do what I want them to do, (Send me $100 and prove me wrong…:) I only want to get people to think about this stuff and remember that what I think is right is only as valid as what anyone else thinks is right and we need to come to a solution for everyone. Restrictive carry laws are better than no Carry Laws.
      The more people who carry responsibly, the lower the crime rate, the more people will see the value, the more places will allow it. Eventually all crime goes away and rainbows fill the sky…well until then, pray you have it and never need it.

    2. Scott, with all due respect, I must disagree. This is a slippery slope, this Hegelian dialectic of moving evermore to the left, toward government intervention into our 2nd amendment (and other) rights. There simply must be a hard line drawn here, as fuzzy lines are easily stretched or broken. The answer lies in strict laws against violent criminal behavior, strictly enforced. Add to this securing our borders and beefing up our vetting of immigrants to keep out the truly dangerous. We have to remember that 2A is NOT about hunting, sport shooting, or even self protection, but about reserving to the People , whom the government is ostensibly of, for, and by, the means to throw off tyranny. Period. This justifies AR-type weapons and ammunition stores, as well as our privacy in the ownership of such.
      I appreciate your wanting to bring options to the debate, and will defend that right (1A); however, i do disagree…Jim

    3. Jim, I’m not trying to restrict, but expand 2A rights, in places where it is already restricted to allow and encourage more people to exercise the right to bear. I’m trying to get Up the slope. I don’t know what a “Hegelian dialectic” is but as more and more people fill our cities and towns the need and desire for some type of control is increased. The Leftward lean is due to the free stuff they offer the sheep. When the 2A was written, civilians were equally armed or better than any soldier in the world. Today we’re limited to semi-auto when soldiers carry full auto and can direct artillery, air, sea or space* based weapons to any point. *(coming soon?) I would really like to have the 3-shot burst option, but would still be out gunned by the local SWAT team. The 2nd Amendment doesn’t mention Mental Illness, or Violent criminals but Hundreds of Millions of people seem to be Okay with making those exceptions. I don’t know how big the founders thought this country would get, or how densely populated, but maybe it’s time we start thinking about an overhaul to the Constitution. Balanced Budgets, Privacy, Cyber rights, maybe try to stem that “Hellenistic Dielectric” you were talking about. Govt. doesn’t give rights, it only takes them away. Govts. main job is to protect your life, it takes your money to pay for armies and police, then your property (or economic opportunity), then your rights. And not just you. For all the wildly different People we have today.
      Jim, I’d defend your right to say you disagree with me, (although I think everyone should agree with me. ) But if I can’t change your mind? No? Then I will leave you in peace with a smile. Thanks for the calm, rational debate, which seems to be missing so much today!

    4. I take it that I came across with some attitude. I apologize. It was not my intention. My wife is always harping at me about that. So, again, I do apologize. I do however stand by what I said. I feel that tethers and finger print scanners and the like are bad ideas. I do not agree with your other suggestions either. Registration, phones calling 911 everytime you unholster your weapon, cities and states making their own restrictions (which they allready do). Placing a sticker on your car saying I have a gun. Sorry, but I do disagree with you.

      2 years ago I retired. My wife and I bought a used motorhome with the intention of traveling the country. We have made a few trips. I very much wish to be able to arm myself so that I can attempt to defend us if necessary. Even as it is now, it is difficult to keep on top of all the different laws everywhere we go. If every state, city and burb makes their own laws it would be almost impossible to keep track of them all. It should not be that difficult for me to practice my 2A rights, which should be entitled to everywhere I go in this country.

    5. Attitude is like opinion, everyone has got at least one. My only regret is that you thought I was trying to force something on you. My perspective is always about what I would do, as is yours. I also think I did not clearly express my ideas because I don’t think I ever supported registration (other than the current federal firearms forms when you buy from a dealer) I understand the Drawn weapon/911 thing might raise some concerns, but it would be entirely voluntary and easily turned off. It would also need to be paid for by taxpayers, so don’t look for it anytime soon. You also got the sticker thing all wrong, It goes on the gun, or holster, and just says you have passed a background check, or belong to some group that can vouch for you or are insured, also entirely voluntary in my world. And just to be clear, you want the Federal Gov. to declare laws for every state, big and small towns all across America, one size fits all? Or would you extend that to the United Nations to cover all Nations on Earth so you can drive to Canada or Mexico in your travels? Sorry, there goes my attitude. Think of it like traffic laws, Cities and towns don’t create their own traffic laws, they just use them like they want. Cities can put stop signs where they want and set the speed limit to what they want. I agree there needs to be a National Standard for Carry Laws, but The States need to be able to adjust these laws within their borders. Wyoming is not New York, and NYC is not Upstate NY. Lawmakers are working to get The States to recognize each other’s carry permits but the work continues. Responsible, widespread carry is the goal. Bad Guys beware.

  4. I agree! As a retired LEO I would be wary for anyone (besides myself and on duty LEO’s) having a weapon. Simply because I don’t know the individual. As such I would be constantly keeping them in sight and beware where they are and what they do. This would keep me in “Yellow” and even slightly “RED” if you know what I mean!

    1. I am so tired of leo’s saying “I don’t know the individual,” therefore everyone else should be disarmed, “for their safety and mine.” Well, here’s news for all leo’s. We citizens don’t know you either, and just because you have a police uniform on, does not make you 100% trustworthy. We hear of cops shooting unarmed people so often, I am wary of cops whenever and where ever I encounter them.

      I carry concealed 100% of the time where legal. No sense advertising I have a firearm. As others have opined, let it be a tactical surprise.

  5. I open carry. I carry a pistol which requires you to disarm one of the safety’s to fire it. I am former military and before that carried a gun my who life. Sad as it may be everyone around you IS a potential threat. Situational awareness is essential now days, I am also older now, but open carrying has put an end to the constant stops by people asking for money which is sometimes a precursor to a robbery, I also carry a form fitted custom holster, there is no yanking my 45 from the holster for any position other than by me drawing it.

  6. I’m in Florida, a CC state, and smartly so.
    Open carry by ordinary citizens is (to me) a dumb idea. Because of the fact that you will become a target.
    Just like the dummy that walks around with the heavy, diamond encrusted gold jeweler to show off, a gun is a criminal magnet.
    Better to have a compact carry pistol well hidden on you so that nobody will see you carrying a firearm until you need to pull it out.

  7. A few years ago my sister-in-law and I were walking to the store in our VERY small town. We had recently sent an article to local paper about speeding in our neighborhood, but without running it past the local PD (a speeder had hit and killed our SAR canine while on an urban tactical training exercise). While walking on the sidewalk a local LEO pulled up and asked my sister-in -law her name (she just wanted to talk about the article). We moved into a ‘combat spread’ formation (apart but at fingertip touching distance and angled to cover 240 degrees or so). The officer wisely did not leave her vehicle until ascertaining who we were and informing us that she was just there to talk, not arrest or hassle. We eased apart about another foot or so as she exited her car, but we relaxed our stance slightly, deflating the LEO’s tension somewhat.

    Neither of us were carrying at the time, but we both have had experience in various forms of self defense, tactical unarmed combat and other forms of ‘stuff’. The LEO asked us afterwards what made us go into the ‘spread’. We just told her that when confronted out of the blue, we ALWAYS moved to a defensive posture, ready fight, flee, or simply kick the ass(es) of those that have chosen to end their lives on that day…lol. We had discussed this amongst ourselves and knew our state of awareness intimately and could tell without a glance what the other was going to do in almost any given situation.

    Nowadays, we both carry concealed, and have other instruments of damage dealing that are not firearm related, on us at all times. THIS is why local LEO’s sometimes use us as training for rookie officers. They learn quick that two older looking (middle aged) people that are casually walking along, looking like typical, possible, likely even, victims can be anything but.

  8. As a retired cop of 28 years, I would never recommend open carry. Why tempt a nutjob? Almost anyone, with the right pretense can get near enough to you to take a handgun out of a holster, although good holsters can prevent this. But they can also prevent you from getting your gun out them when needed. I carry a Glock 19, the small Taser handgun, and a NAA derringer in a pocket or my boot. All concealed. I’ve grown to not even realize I’m carrying them. But stilll in post civilized libtard Amerika, I still don’t feel 100% secure.

  9. So the guy walks around armed to the teeth to make a statement and to pick up chicks, then finds himself getting disarmed and almost killed. This is yet another reason why u shouldn’t open carry your rifles and handguns at public places just to “make a statement.” When will people realize that walking around looking like you’re going to be the next mass shooter doesn’t help the 2nd amendment cause. You just provide fuel for the antis. I believe in the right to bear arms. I also recognize that it is a responsibility. Respect it or leave your toys at home.

  10. The more I hear about the stupid things people do to meet girls/boys, the more I think the older cultures had it right with arranged marriages in childhood.

  11. While I realize that open carry is legal, i question it’s wisdom for a few . reasons. First, the possibility of this type of scenario, i.e. a gun snatch. Second, the loss of tactical advantage in an active shooter encounter; I would much rather such a criminal NOT know that I was armed, giving me the element of surprise. Third, I believe that is just bad PR for gun owners/carriers. In some locales, no problem. But in big, blue cities, the desire to make a political statement will most likely be a situation of “preaching to the choir”, convincing no anti-gunners to join our ranks but instead further angering and scaring them and convincing them that all gun owners are obnoxious rednecks. Additionally, those on the fence may be pushed off the the left side due to being intimidated by open carry; they start out ignorant and without prejudice, and many are rattled by the up close and personal presence of a firearm toted by a person without a uniform. I carry, and have for years, and will continue as long as I can. In rural areas, hinting, on my own property, I sometimes carry openly, but not in public . My 2 cents.

    1. I was in line behind two older ladies at a check out a couple of years ago. The two ladies were talking gun control and how having guns around made for a very unsafe environment. They were talking quite loudly and I could see other patrons looking, rolling eyes and shaking heads. As they finished paying for their goodies, I took off my light windbreaker, going from concealed to open carry. My state is a CC and Open Carry state. My 1911 was quite visible. I greeted the two ladies, saying, “Ladies, have a good day. We were all safe today. Stay safe.” They both saw my OWB holstered firearm, looked at each other and huffed away. I got smiles from the other patrons, the cashier, and I even got one, “Good one!”

  12. any count how many guns grabbed from police officers,sadly many have been shot or killed with there own weapon fl has a bad part of our law you can open carry hunting and fishing and to and from the site. but with a concealed carry permit. the weapon must be 100% concealed . and even a accidental brief sight by civilian and especially if an officer sees it.say getting out of truck and wind blows up your jacket. it in the law that is a 3rd degree a felony so under clothing or pockets is only safe protection from law . i would not have holster under jacket and of course fl in summer is too hot and humid for jackets
    holsters should have snap . theirs been 1 bill supposedly tossed by a court the 2nd attempt to make accidental display came in session where broward had school shooting and we all know pro gun got set backed that day even though it was 100% a multi government agency failure

  13. Live in NC around Camp Lejeune. Many open carriers, see them all the time in Walmart and grocery stores. Because of high military and ex military population no one gets alarmed or upset about it. Personally I prefer CC for reasons stated in previous comments. But sometimes these young OC are just stupid. One guy had a heavy revolver hanging out at about 30 degrees. It didn’t have any retention strap on at all, just screamed “Steal me!” . Not only that but it could have dropped on the floor or grabbed by a child.

  14. I’m not an advocate of open carry, I agree with John 0132 the individual was lucky and not prepared for that type of situation. Conceal carry keeps the bad guys guessing.

  15. Open Carry? Only when I’m hunting, otherwise Hell No! I don’t need the attention or the drama of those who don’t support the 2A. If all Hell breaks loose, they will be glad I’m armed. I’ve heard all the Open Carry arguments, and I support their right, but I prefer to have the element of surprise, “I’m Packing Heat”. Just look at the attention Police Officers get due to their Open Carry. When all Hell breaks loose, I intend to take cover first, behind the first concealment I can find, assess the threat, THEN RESPOND. No need to paint a target on my back, if it’s avoidable. IMHO

  16. If you’re an open carry in a convenience store that an armed robber happens to walk into, who do you think they are going to target first??
    Open Carry is not a good idea!!

  17. Definitely a reason NOT to Open Carry. The way it was explained to ‘counter’ was through training. So basically everyone approaching you must be considered a threat…kinda.

    I have been going to Madison once a year for almost 20 years. I’ve seen a really neat college town erode to a liberal haven for druggies, criminals etc.

    They actually sleep in front of the public building and yes, plug their cell phones in at the open outlets. Lefties gone wild!

  18. I carry a weapon every time I leave my home. I rarely open carry with only a couple exceptions.
    On the other hand, when i was active law enforcement, I always open carried in uniform. I know, but you are the police. I agree, but police are also attacked and criminals try to disarm them as well.
    the point is, as a law enforcement officer I always carried a level 2 or 3 retention holster and practiced against being disarmed.
    If you choose to open carry, you should do everything you can to prevent being disarmed including retention holsters and defending your weapon. And have a backup that is concealed.

  19. Open carry is great but a loaded gun should be carried concealed when possible.You loose a significant tactical advantage when your firearm is visible not to mention possible incidents like this one.It also keeps anti gun people from getting their pink underwear in a knot. It is nice to be able to remove the concealing garment without breaking the law as would happen in this POS state of California.God bless states like Wisconsin.

  20. Well researched and well written article. Open carry is tactically ill advised even if legal. Studies have also found open carriers rarely have any formal firearms training…not a good combination.

  21. Open carry is Stupid. Bad guys operate on the principle that you don’t know they’re bad guys until it’s too late. Just like in this example. So open carry gives the bad guys a chance to devise a plan and arm thenselves if they aren’t already armed. Again, like in this example.

    If Bogus was homicidal, Open Carry guy would have been dead before he cleared his holster.

    Carry concealed and you keep the bad guys wondering who is armed and who isn’t.

    1. If that’s an ACTUAL picture of Mr Bogus, he WAS homicidal as you say…just likely didn’t know how to operate the firearm.

    2. So open carry has no detering effects? So your argument is that you will have the opportunity to stealthily unholster your weapon and should have bad guy doing bad things? And how do you suppose that will go for you? Do you suppose your life will change? I would guess it won’t be all parades and hero-worship,, more likely it will be litigation and legal fees and lots of it. I would much rather not put my family through the legal process.

  22. Great info This wasn’t covered by the local news to my knowledge.I was just on State Street last week and was trying to be very aware due to the proliferation of crime in that area. I seriously considered C.C.but opted not to. Dane County/Madison with its liberal Prosecutors and Judges have made a revolving jail door for these habitual bad actors.Reap what you sow Madison!

  23. I have been carrying for 30 years or so CONCEALED! I would not carry openly unless hunting or in a group activity of some sort. Why do I think it is not a good idea to carry openly? Because it gives away a huge advantage of SURPRISE if we talking self-defense! I don’t need to make a statement and don’t carry to solve a problem. I use my head first and then disengage. When the situation does not allow other options I would use my firearm.

  24. Maybe it’s a little far out, but has anyone seen fake pistols that can’t be distinguished from a real gun without very close examination.
    Perhaps if you open carried one of those & also had a real one concealed. Wouldn’t that be a shock to someone taking your fake gun giving you time to show real your real one??

  25. Why can’t modern technology be used? Fingerprint readers or magnetic rings to prevent unauthorized users. And a hardened tether attached to you and the gun deters snatch and runs even if the owner is physically overwhelmed. Just don’t attach something worth being kidnapped/killed for to yourself.

    1. Fingerprint readers can fail, leaving your firearm useless when you need it. A tether prevents your spouse or your friend or partner from using your weapon if you are incapcitated and they need it.

    2. I Understand, all technology can fail, Bullets can misfire but that doesn’t happen very often, how often does that “next generation” reader fail? Compare with how often people are shot with their own gun, when the numbers meet, you play the odds. Plus you have to consider if it is more important to prevent unauthorized use than to allow authorized use.
      Tethers don’t prevent anyone from using the gun, only from running away with it. It’s not tied to your hand, a thinish steel cable attached to the pistol and a harness or belt you wear. (I’d want a spring loaded reel to take up slack as I holstered, but there would have to be at least 3 feet of tether to work with.) So your ally can stand or kneel over you and defend you, or lay behind you and use you for cover, hmm. All assuming the gun is not already empty and the allies are not armed themselves.

    3. S&W had a great idea with their internal locks on their revolvers. If you don’t believe me just ask Ruger. They’re revolver sales skyrocketed after that.

      The truth is that “technology” does fail. How often is up for debate. It only takes once if it is at that crucial time. If you are gonna play the odds, why carry at all. Odds are you will never need a firearm to defend yourself. Me, I am not a betting man. I very much prefer every advantage I can get.

      For the tether. If I have my pistol tethered to me and am incapacitated, and my wife needs my pistol to defend herself, I want her to be able to take it and be mobile, not tethered to me, lying behind some cover, or out in the open. That goes for a string tether or a “new technology” tether such as a ring a pendant. Also, a physical tether like your wire may get snagged on something, pulling the pistol out of your hand. Or worse, if in the heat of battle, if your finger happens to be on the trigger, BANG. If you want that option I feel that you should be able to have it. Please don’t force it on me though.

    4. S&W had a great idea with their internal locks on their revolvers. If you don’t believe me just ask Ruger. Their revolver sales skyrocketed after that.

      The truth is that “technology” does fail. How often is up for debate. It only takes once if it is at that crucial time. If you are gonna play the odds, why carry at all. Odds are you will never need a firearm to defend yourself. Me, I am not a betting man. I very much prefer every advantage I can get.

      For the tether. If I have my pistol tethered to me and am incapacitated, and my wife needs my pistol to defend herself, I want her to be able to take it and be mobile, not tethered to me, lying behind some cover, or out in the open. That goes for a string tether or a “new technology” tether such as a ring a pendant. Also, a physical tether like your wire may get snagged on something, pulling the pistol out of your hand. Or worse, if in the heat of battle, if your finger happens to be on the trigger, BANG. If you want that option I feel that you should be able to have it. Please don’t force it on me though.

  26. I try to keep my body in front of the gun and in blocking my would be attacker. Always look at someone as a potential adversary. I know that sounds terrible, but it is what it is now day. Always keep your retention strap snapped or in an active position to prevent unwanted removal of the weapon in the holster.
    ALWAYS carry concealed. Do not advertise what you are carrying. Don’t invite your attacker.

    1. To quote General Mattis; “be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.” It is truly sad that the same advise given to troops in Iraq is equally applicable in the “land of the free.”

  27. I compare it to the people I see wearing (sagging) their pants down below their butt. It’s their right, and they are not hurtimg anyone, but it leaves a bad impression of themselves. With the pressure that is being demonstrated to limit/take away our 2A rights we do not need to bring any negative attention to ourselves. And don’t tell me it’s not negative, because to the people we are offending it is negative. And thode people vote. We need to persuade the people that we are not a threat to them. Don’t be a sagger. Lol.

  28. “It is not necessary for all the guns to be loaded.”

    And I’d suggest, if you are carrying it, that it is necessary, and prudent to have it loaded. It’s foolhardy to open carry an unloaded weapon–outside of a pistol range.

    I concur that the victim in this story wasn’t using a lot of common sense and most certainly, if not concealed, should have worn a retention holster.

  29. At this time I think open carry is inviting this kind of trouble!

    I recently saw an older gentleman carrying a pistol in a shoulder holster OVER a flannel shirt ,and walking alone, slowly and unsteadily with a cane in the local Walmart store!
    Asking for trouble ?

    1. He may just be confused. Like the elderly genleman I saw wearing his underpants over his trousers.

  30. Fortunately I live in Idaho which is a Constitutional Carry state. I do not practice open carry unless I am working around my own property and concerned about furry critters with fangs and claws. When I carry concealed I don’t want to advertise the fact that I have a gun. I think its better to have a nasty surprise for anyone who’s trying to be trouble. I believe in the old axiom “Always be polite and respectful but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.”

  31. When in high volume public areas, most months I normally carry concealed with an OWB holster under an unzipped light wind breaker but if passers-by happen to see that I’m am carrying so be it. Bottom-line, I’m not looking for the extra attention so rarely do I open carry. There are enough idiots out there like Bogus who just want to start trouble. Carrying concealed, scumbags like Bogus will find out the hard way.

  32. One of the many reasons I prefer a slung long gun for Open Carry… It’s next to impossible to end up with it pointed at you, even if you fail the situational awareness test. Which you shouldn’t if you’re Open Carrying… I favor bullpups for fast draw, which also means retention. KSG preferred.

    1. A shotgun, two pistols, and a machete/knife? This does not make a good political statement. I have a conceal carry permit and I support the right to open carry; but going dressed in public as member of a SWAT team going into action gives the impression of a bad ass bully looking for a fight. Unfortunately, this is the impression many legislators have of gun owners and advocates. If we are to change their opinion we must convince them that we are good law abiding members of the community.

    2. I like your logic.

      As an afterthought, using a sling would make it near impossible for someone to easily take it away from you.

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