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Oklahoma — Concealed Carry Now Legal With Military ID

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On May 17, 2017, SB 35, the recognition of military, guard and reserve members to carry concealed weapons based on a military, reserve, or national guard valid I.D. card, was signed into law by Oklahoma Governor Mary Fallin.

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SB 35 was popular in the legislature. It passed the Senate on March 15, 2017, 40-2. It was amended on 11 April in the House. It passed the House on 19 April, 2017, 85–0. The amended version then passed the Senate unanimously, 46-0. It was signed by Governor Fallin on May 17, 2017.

The act goes into effect on November 1, 2017.

The bill will become part of Oklahoma carry law, which is about 14 pages long. Here is the definition of who may carry with a valid military I.D. From state.ok.us (pdf):

  1.  The person is twenty-one (21) years of age or older, and is either:
    1. Active military, or
    2. A member of the Reserve or National Guard to include Drill Status Guard and Reserve, Active Guard Reserves or Military Technicians, and presents a valid military identification card that shall be considered a valid handgun license issued pursuant to the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act

People from other states who have a valid military I.D. are recognized. The reciprocity section at the end of the bill makes that clear. From state.ok.us (pdf):

Any person entering this state in possession of a firearm authorized for concealed or unconcealed carry upon the authority and license of another state or a valid military identification card as provided for qualified persons in Section 1290.8 of this title is authorized to continue to carry a concealed or unconcealed firearm and license in this state; provided the license from the other state or valid military identification card as provided for qualified persons in Section 1290.8 of this title remains valid.

There are about 2 million active military and reserves in the United States, and about 460,000 national guard members. A significant number of them will be under the age of 21, but about 1.5 million will be 21 or older.

This increases the pool of people able to carry concealed weapons in Oklahoma by about 1.5 million, or about 10% more than already exist. The number of people in the United States with carry permits exceeds 15 million.

Another incremental step to extend the right to carry in Oklahoma would be to include veterans with an honorable discharge.

It could happen, but it seems more likely that Oklahoma will pass a “permitless” or Constitutional Carry reform first.

What’s your opinion of allowing anyone who was honorably discharged from the military to use their DD-214 as their permit? Share your answer in the comment section.

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Comments (49)

  1. Served honorable and feel this would be a great idea, we trained in weapons continuously and we respect our weapons. Should be our right to keep our weapons!

  2. @Laura–First off Thank you for your service Secondly Semper-Fi I am in total agreement with you and like have been preaching to a mob oz zombies who feel the government has the right and duty to “keep us safe” by enacting illegal unconstitutional statutes that INFRINGE on these God given and constitutional right to “keep and bear arms” Again no one needs a “PERMIT” or LICENSE to carry as these licenses and permits is OUR 2nd Amendment!!!!

  3. As a veteran we have served our country and as a combat veteran, we know how and when we can defend ourselves and others. I think it would be great.

  4. I am an honorably discharged Woman Marine. But I don’t think that should matter, I believe we need to focus on Constitutional Carry. And quit piecing these laws by groups. I don’t want to register on a database till all the criminals register.

  5. AMEN AMEN AND AMEN. SPOKEN LIKE A TRUE AMERICAN. Thank you for your service and your after service career. I wish there were more of the population like you and me. Thank you for your comment.

  6. Many folks are unaware that all Military Police are considered federal law enforcement and therefore already qualify for the federal concealed carry credential known as LEOSA (HR 218).

    This credential authorizes the qualifying individual (either Military Police or Civilian Officer) to carry concealed in all 50 states and territories regardless of a state’s limitations placed on their own citizens or visitors. Yes, that includes even the most draconian states like NJ, NY, and CA.

    There are specific criteria you must meet to qualify for this federal credential. You must either be an active MP in any branch of Military; or a Civilian Police Officer/Agent; or retired or separated under good conditions (Honorably) with no less than 10 years of aggregate MP/Police experience. The 10 or more years of experience must have authorized you statutory arrest or military apprehension authority.

    It also covers MPs in every branch of the National Guard, Reserves and Coast Guard along with other less common officer’s like Capital Police, University Police and even some Railroad Police -as long as you had statutory arrest or apprehension authority on the job.

    The time spent as an MP or Cop does not have to be consecutive or even with the same agency. This allows the credential to apply to cops that may have switched to different departments – like from city cop to county deputy, or military personnel that my switch career fields or even branches of service.

    The only thing to pay attention to is that you have an aggregate of Police/MP service that adds up to 10 total years or more and you could make arrests/apprehensions. There is no time limit on when you did your service either – meaning if you were an Air Policeman as far back as the Korean War, as long as you meet the time in service with apprehension authority, you qualify to apply.

    Once issued, this federal credential is for life. However, for it to remain valid it must be accompanied by proof of an annual weapons qualification by your issuing agency, branch of service, or any firearms instructor who is certified to test active law enforcement officers within your state. So even though you may be retired or separated, every state has certified instructors that you can pay to run you through an equivalent course of fire related to your agency each year.

    The criteria for obtaining this federal concealed carry credential is the same for all local, state, federal and military police agencies; however, based on how the LEOSA law was written, the manner in which the ID credential is issued was left up to each individual agency.

    What this means is that disappointingly some agencies have yet to establish a process for issuing this ID, while other agencies have no plans to issue it all due to political reasons based on the whims of their liberal police chief or sheriff. In short, the federal LEOSA law may entitle you to the credential, but has no teeth to force your agency to actually develop a program to issue it.

    However, the Military/DoD has been quite progressive in establishing a streamlined program run by a private contractor (Defense Consulting Services) to issue this federal credential for Air Force Security Forces and Army MPs. Their site is at leosaonline.com should you wish to apply. The Military is also working on something to cover the Navy/Marine MPs very soon as well.

    A final thought – one more avenue for local cops and deputies (not so much for feds) is that some states have agreements to issue these credential on behalf of all subordinate agencies that operate within their state, so do your research to see if this applies to some of you.

  7. Wilfred Bush…you would stand corrected, sir. Just because someone serves in the armed forces, does NOT make them proficient with a firearm. Many career fields leave people in the “rear with the gear” and they might fire during basic training or boot camp only, others possibly annually or semi-annually. That does NOT make them proficient with a rifle or handgun. If you carry daily such as an air crew member or military police, THAT is much different a scenario. As a cwo4 you realize that knowledge, training and experience can not be overlooked. I am NOT detracting from anyone’s military contribution and all career fields are necessary or they would not have them however, that does NOT provide for firearms proficiency. Thank you and your spouse for her service!

  8. Andy Bright…check into LEOSA. It outlines your privilege to carry as an Honorably discharged military policeman, security policeman or master-at-arms in all 50 states for a price…I believe it is $150.00 for 5 years. You must have been in that position for at least 10 consecutive years. There may be other criteria, as well. It is worth your checking into. I too, am retired after over 20 years active duty as a law enforcement supervisor in the Air Force. Thank you for your service!

  9. So, a military member right out of basic training or boot camp can carry a concealed firearm BUT, someone who has retired Honorably after 20 plus years of service is exempt from this legislation? What a crock!

    1. Absolutely a CROCK…Oklahoma law makers must not have served is what this is telling me….

  10. I want to know why vets who are retired or honorably discharged from the military who cray a veterans medical card / VA Medical card are not included in the ranks.We are all veterans active or inactive and if we have a DD214 that has us as Honorably discharged makes us no different from each other.

  11. A person with an Honorable Discharge can still be an issue, as far as open or concealed carry. There are many veterans in prison who served and got an honorable discharge, but sadly past performance in not an indicator of future conduct. I do hope that these veterans are also being cleared through NICS and have undergone appropriate background checks. I am a Military Retiree / Soldier for Life, and hope that some proper vetting procedures will be in place when this law is enacted. It was not more than a few weeks ago that a Navy Vet ran down a number of people with his car in NYC. Timothy McVeigh won the Bronze Star for Valor, and yet he blew up the Federal Bldg in OKC. These are just some things to think about.

    1. VETTING!!!!!! If I hear that word one more time…… Vetting is a load of crap. No criminal cares about permits. There are ways around everything. Just as locks on doors are for honest people. So goes vetting.

    2. All vetting does is slow down honest people. Cuz why?!?!? Cuz criminals dont care. When will you all understand. You’re looking at it thru honest eyes. You can buy a gun at nearly any bar in Cleveland. Stick it in your pocket and be on your way. NO VETTING REQUIRED. I for one choose to be armed, open carry armed. On display for all the would be criminals to see.

  12. Yes, as a Honorably discharged Military Police trained veteran, I wholeheartedly believe such veterans should be considered as licensed concealed carry citizens in all 50 states. This increase in legally armed citizens across the country could be very valuable in future situations given the path of criminal/terrorist activity in this great country.

  13. My wife and I both have our conceal carry for Florida – I am 30yr retired USN (CWO4) & she is E6 veteran – We used our DD-214’s to get conceal carry without have to take the class – of course we are well versed and trained in proper use of firearms both for target shooting and self-defense. Need to know the rules in every state. Three worst states for gun owners are NY, MD & NJ. Agree, retired military & vets should have been included in those who can carry with honorable discharge.

  14. The article briefly touches on the key issue: the state most likely will pass permitless all citizen cc before getting to reserve/NG cc. Some states feel the need that the citizen needs to pass a set of criteria before being allowed to cc-others don’t. As my father used to say: some folks like Fords, some-they like Chevrolets-they both have four wheels.

  15. I would have to disagree to some extent with a blanket carry permit just because you served in the military. I served 21 years and carried a weapon for 15 of those years on a daily basis. That being said the other 6 years I wouldn’t have trusted me with a potato gun because I did not have proper training. During the 15 years I did carry I was trained and qualified 4 times a year with M-16/M-4, 45 and Beretta 9 mil. I shot many times on the range with base populace and was in more danger of being shot at than have my deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan. Just because you served doesn’t mean you can safely handle a firearm, you should still have to prove you know how to safely handle and fire the weapon you carry.

  16. I feel any DD-214 Honorably discharged is qualified enough to use as a permit anywhere. I received an expert M-16 award, Parachute Badge, and served during the Vietnam era. Traveled behind the Iron Curtain and carry many memories
    of serve and protect. i still stand tall everyday and hope for the best, our voices need to be heard. Never give up the ship, Semper Paratus.

  17. Oklahoma’s best aspect is our tolerance for firearns. We can own anything federally legal, and our carry laws are excellent. We also have both the Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground laws. Assualting an Oklahoman is to take your life into your own hands most assuredly. I don’t honestly know anyone here who doesn’t at least have one firearm in their home.
    Besides we have the Sooners, and the Thunder. Plus a lower cost of living and housing. Okay our schools suck but the governor is on her last term thankfully so that’ll be fixed soon. Oklahoma is okay! ????

  18. Other than being declared mentally incompetent, there really should be no reason a “retired” Marine, Soldier, Sailor to be allowed to CC . Ok I will go ahead and include Airmen. But Seriously after 20 + yrs i think that Military personnel have ben trained enough to be able to carry

  19. I think it is a well earned priviledge for our military,whether active , retired or honorably discharged.

  20. In the Air Force I got no hand gun training. I shot an M-16 once with 50-100 rounds of 22LR in semiautomatic only. I wouldn’t call that firearms training.

    1. Perhaps Joe Williams (previous comment) was a little quick to include airmen. Well Bill, it’s like this, train yourself. Its not hard. Kinda like a computer. Point and click. And semiautomatic is all the training most of us got. Ammo ain’t cheap. Although 100 rounds isn’t a lot, I bet you still remember.

    2. I did spend the time to train myself​. When I qualified on the range for my permit the instructor passed me after I fired two single stack magazines. My point was that a DD 214 is not always enough to qualify you for carrying a concealed pistol. I am in favor of having a minimum ability standard to carry a pistol; just like driving a car. Even with a minimum driving standard, we see how poorly people exercise that privilege.

    3. @ Bill,

      All this nitpicking over qualifications is ridiculous. No one should be required to obtain a certification just to defend their self or family; and apparently the Second Amendment agrees with me on this.

      It is the various levels of government – in defiance of the Second Amendment – that has created all this hoopla over qualifications as a way to institutionalize gun-control in such a way that people won’t see it as such.

      But obviously there are some of you that have fallen for that, and even worse – you’re contributing to it by calling for stricter gun control whenever you whine and moan about your presumed need to see higher qualifications.

      All able bodied men bared arms to defend this country from the Brits and no one gave a rat’s backside whether they went through some qualification course or not.

    4. @ Bill,

      Typo Correction – meant to type “bore arms” not “bared arms” in my last paragraph. I hope that did not detract too terribly much from my point.

  21. As a veteran of WW2 and Korea, honorably discharged with zero criminal record and someone who has faithfully paid taxes for my entire life, I believe the Second Amendment gives me the privilege to attain a permit for concealed carry permit An earlier statement from someone who stated that Navy guys were not trained, they should remember our training includes more than hand weapons. Everything from 45’s to 40mm and bigger

  22. Living in New Jersey for over 70 years and even with 3 out of state carry permits, a DD214 and a hunter, I still CANNOT carry a firearm in my home state. The second amendment has to be enforced here and make all those who are responsible and have served allow to be ready to protect the citizens of our state. Get with it New Jersey! Either loosen the permit requirements or just change the damn laws!

  23. Retired Soldier, honorably discharged U.S. Army veteran, certified state hunter education instructor and course director here.

    We travel extensively around the country so I always make sure I know what state lines I’m going to have to cross. I do so because I don’t want to end up a long-term guest of some state that won’t fill that prison cell with some evildoer instead of a dangerous threat to the citizenry like me.

    My reply to the legislature of Oklahoma? Hallelujah, Amen, God Bless You and keep you and all like you!

    My opinion? My DD-214 and/or my retired military i.d. should be my nationwide open- AND concealed-carry permit unless or until I should somehow stain my honor.

    My belief for the courts in this country? Simple. Prosecute violent offenders to the fullest extent the law allows. If some bad actor even suggests they have a weapon on them … BONUS 20 years without parole. If they USE a weapon in the commission of that crime, GAME OVER! I don’t believe for a second that someone bringing a weapon to commit a crime won’t use it on some innocent. Pray that victim isn’t your child, your wife, mother, neighbor, or that upstanding citizen who teaches in your schools or brings you back to health when you’re ill.

    Carrying by those who know how to do so safely and effectively, with the training and strength of will to stand up for themselves or their loved ones, or the defenseless isn’t a privilege. In many ways, it may well be a civic duty.

    I am not some wild-eyed vigilante and I don’t support or believe in vigilante behavior. Law enforcement, courts and juries have a job to do and it’s a thankless duty. But I choose to be prepared to defend myself, family, loved ones, and neighbors in that moment of defining need while waiting for emergency responders arrive to control the moment or event.

    Please say a prayer today, tonight for every member of our Armed Forces serving in harm’s way and protecting our homeland, and for the men and women in law enforcement and the emergency responders who protect and serve us all.

    “I pledge allegiance to the flag … one Nation, under God …”

    God Bless the USA!

  24. As a Retired Military Veteran and somewhat older looking the criminals like to pick on older persons as they think older persons cannot resist and just give in easily to demands of criminals. By not including Retired Military in laws like the above for Oklahoma (even with a home state permit) Oklahoma is forgetting all that Retired military has done for America following retirement from the Military. Many Retired Military travel by car as well and most LEO know criminals will sometimes pick on out of state plate vehicles with older persons as those people will not likely either be armed or put up a fight.

    1. Amen Mr. Charles… as a fellow retiree I’m a bit more trusting in the judgement of someone who has honorably completed 20-30 years service than a 19 year old who may or may not honorably complete his service…

    2. Wholeheartedly agree.
      However, I have concerns about somebody who was only in the military for 3 years using a DD-214 as proof of service.
      Not that many people in some branches (ie, Air Force and Navy in particular) only get several weeks at most of handgun training, if they get that much at all. Just because you were in for a few short years doesn’t mean that you have to knowledge of firearms.
      I do believe that anybody who retires after 20+ years should be included is based on the fact that these individuals are more conscious about their surroundings and use common sense not usually found in 20-something year olds.

    3. Get right down to it, the Constitution says nothing about ones knowledge or familiarity with firearms, or even if they ever fired one. YOu sound like a liberal just looking for excuses to deny. I say everyone should be able to carry. Let God sort us out. He will anyway.

    4. @ Mr. Charles I too am a retired military veteran however I am not of the belief that anyone “needs a permit” to carry as there are NO CAVEATS contained anywhere in the second amendment that addresses permits licensing or restrictions (other than restricting the government) from INFRINGING on our right to keep and bear arms.

      One won’t find any requirement to pass a “background check” or endure any “waiting periods” either. These INFRINGEMENTS are the left s attempt to control the population vis usurpation which has evolved via apathy of the American people. Apathy gives tacit approval that what government does is acceptable . Most are apathetic until they are directly effected then at that point it is usually too late to “right the ship” so to speak either

    5. Well said. Thanks Force Recon Marine. You couldn’t have made it any clearer. And yet, the multitudes dont understand.

  25. I think honorably discharged vets should be included. I hope other states pick up on this idea.

    Merle

  26. “What’s your opinion of allowing anyone who was honorably discharged from the military to use their DD-214 as their permit? Share your answer in the comment section.”

    YES! And nation wide reciprocity similar to LEOSA.

  27. Once again, OK takes the lead over Texas. This is embarrassing. Service members in Texas who are active, Guard, or Reserve, can get a Texas License To Carry a handgun at 18. This caused Texas to lose reciprocity with some states for a while. Still, this would be a good thing for Texas to consider. After all, our Open Carry statute was based on the OK model.

    1. Hear here… Yes….but imagine how many gang members that haven’t been busted will join the guard just to be able to carry legally

  28. Though my law enforcement credentials (LEOSA) cover me to carry in every state and territory, I still become aggravated that other citizens do not have the same equal protections which defies the Second Amendment.

    While I appreciate the ever increasing efforts in various states, this incremental patchwork of concealed carry laws is frustrating. Until we finally pass a nationwide reciprocity law, at least there is solace in knowing that doing it this way also delivers incremental doses of pain to the antigun groups as each new pro-gun law gets passed.

    1. I believe a Federal CCW would be best. That way everyone would have to meet the basic standards. A CCW from CA or NY is more valuable than one from UT.

      Also, I believe that once you pass basic training you should be able to carry is your 18. Not 21. I have to believe that basic training in the military is better than the 4-hour class that’s required for some CCW.

  29. 12 Years both Active and Reserve. Served my country when and where asked. Defended Homeland and other lands. Now people from other walks of life come for us here and I can only use bare hand here. B.S.!
    Live in Texas now, licensed to carry and do. Pity the fool who attacks here. Force will be met with superior force. The military taught me to prepare and practise, I do. God Bless the Armed American defender. They are not limited by Race, Religion, Ethnicity, or serial persuasion. God Bless America and it’seems Patriotic citizens and legal immigrants.

  30. Why not include retired military that possesses a retired military ID card? They certainly meet the age requirement!

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