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The .270 Winchester—The Rifleman’s Cartridge

I am finally getting around to projects I have been anticipating for several years. One of these was putting together a credible all-around hunting and recreational rifle—something with more stretch than the .308 Winchester and perhaps a bit of finesse. I chose the Mossberg All Terrain Rifle (ATR) in .270 Winchester. I have enjoyed such good luck for so long with the ATR in .308 Winchester, I did not wish to rock the boat and so stayed with a proven product. The short-action ATR in .308 is a good rifle—the balance of accuracy and price is outstanding, while the .270 long-action chambering is a real bargain.

The .270 Winchester—The Rifleman’s Cartridge

.270 Winchester ammunition
The .270 Winchester cartridge is among the most versatile and effective cartridges in America.

The .270 Winchester cartridge is among the most versatile and effective cartridges in America. The .270 was introduced in 1925 and has proven popular ever since.

The .270 is simply a .30-06 Springfield necked down to .277 caliber. The .270 is intended for long-range work and killing power at moderate range. The cartridge is accurate and effective, but doesn’t kick as hard as some rifle cartridges. The .270 has taken every species of North American game. While perhaps light for the largest bears, the cartridge stands alone for versatility. As an example, the 90-grain bullet may be loaded to a full 3,600 fps. This makes the .270 an effective varmint cartridge. Sure, we will probably use a .223, but for the man with one rifle the .270 is a varmint buster.

A 100-grain bullet at 3,500 fps is another option. The enthusiastic handloader can really make the .270 talk! The standard 130-grain bullet at 3,100 fps is a good all-around deer load for long range. There is also a 150-grain bullet for heavier game.

Shooting the Mossberg ATR rifle in .270 winchester
A smooth action, good scope and good ammunition all came together in this test program.

The .270 is efficient with a variety of loads and bullet weights. The accuracy of the cartridge is demonstrated off the benchrest, while ballistic media demonstrates the power of the cartridge. The balance of penetration and controlled expansion of these loads is excellent. I particularly like the .270’s neck design. There is plenty of tension in the neck with all bullet weights, even with the lightest bullets.

While lighter and faster bullets may be used, the standard 130-grain load shoots flat over long distances. While some may master magnum cartridges, I do not own a magnum rifle. I prefer the .308, .270 and .30-06 cartridges. They do the business with accuracy, efficiency, and less bruising and raising of eddies in the skin.

The cartridge responds well to a careful handloader. Effect on game is reliable. My experiments with the Mossberg ATR/.270 rifle combination have been good. What really counts, and the reason I was led to this combination, are the glowing reports of the .270’s effect in the field. This is why the .270 has been called the rifleman’s rifle. Nothing I have observed can contradict this statement.

I fitted a Vanguard Endeavor RS 41240 BDC riflescope to my personal rifle in an effort to give myself an edge in the field. The scope features good adjustment, clear optics and good zero retention. Adjustment was rapid. It was with a minimum expenditure of ammunition that the rifle was sighted in. When choosing rifle ammo for the .270, the field is broad.

Two green boxes of Fiocchi .270 Winchester ammo
Fiocchi offers excellent quality ammunition.

Hornady offers at least nine loads from 100 to 150 grains. The Sierra 90-grain Varmint bullet is a handloading proposition, and the Hornady bullets are available as components. As I often do, I searched for an economical loading to get the hang of the rifle and to sight it in.

During the initial evaluation, I used the Fiocchi 130-grain JSP, and later fired the Fiocchi 150-grain loads. Results were excellent. Accuracy was good and the powder burn was clean. While testing, I learned two things. The .270 kicks more than the .308, but then it is a larger cartridge. It also burns more powder and churns up a bit more horsepower.

Close up of target with three bullet holes in it,
This is the sight-in group for the Fiocchi 130-grain JSP load. Not too shabby for a 3-shot group at 100 yards.

In addition, the .270 and the Mossberg ATR were not quite as accurate as the .308 ATR. Not surprising either as the .308 is a match-grade cartridge. The difference? An average of one-inch or less at 100 yards for the .308 and 0.8-1.25 inch for the .270. However, I haven’t experimented very much. Considering that it takes an excellent rifleman to stand on his legs and fire a three-shot 5-inch group at 100 yards, I think the .270 offers all of the accuracy I need.

The rifle is sighted to strike two inches high at 100 yards, which gives me a dead-on hold to 200 yards. If you cannot shoot, of course, you may as well throw rocks. However, that is the accuracy this rifle and cartridge are capable of delivering. One thing is for certain—if I get a shot and do not connect with the game, it isn’t the fault of the gun or the ammo. It is mine alone. This rifle is a credible choice for anyone on any budget.

What is your go-to hunting caliber or the one you simply can’t live without? Share your answer in the comment section.


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Comments (60)

  1. In 1953, my friends and I would wait for the bus in Hamilton Arms, Memphis’ premier safari outfitter, drooling over Weatherby rifles. In 2014, I could afford to buy a Mark V in 270 Winchester. At 100 yards off a lead sled, the three 130 grain projectiles formed an isosceles triangle you can cover with a dime. It’s more accurate than my Browning X-Bolt 30-06 and my Grandson’s Tikka T-3 30-06.

    As a handloader, if anyone has a pet 270 load, I’m all ears.

    1. Arch, i also have a mark v in 270 win, 130 barnes tsx, 55gr 414, win or hornady brass, fed 215 primer, 3250 across the screens, yes i said 3250, 3100 ft lbs, 3/4in group, have shot about 2500 rds of it. This is strickley my hunting load, 2 shots on the brass then retire for plinking!

  2. Are we selling the Mossburg or tje 270 round? To each real “Shootist” there will be a favorite but not necessarily the perfect gun and round for all hunting situations, and it seems there are as many cultish followers of many different rounds.
    The 270 is held in almost mythical awe but in truth it has many competitors gor titles of accuracy and terminal ballistics.
    I have good memories of a Rem ADL 270 and asa gift from wife to the numbers of game animals it once took.
    Yet the terrain changed from corn fields 100-200 yards and woods no more than 100 to a time of seeing game at 600 or more yards being shot at by everything from Rem in 308 to 50 cals by killers not hunters..
    As a guide years ago I seen greed more than sportsmanship in all bear, cat, elk and deer wher if a animal was wounded or hell even deadbyou had best have teddy runnrrs on in order to get to animal before the thieves who also may of been shooting
    NEEDING TO ANCHOR GAME MORE EFFECIENTLY AT 400 YARDS SO AS NOT TO AVE TO CHASE WOUNDED ANIMALS DOMETIMES A COUPLE MILES I BEGAN TO SEE CHANGES up in Calibers to 7mm and 300 338 mags.
    still as a personal choice for a timber stalk with some open areas of 300 yards That Rem in 270 will do the job.
    It is the shooter not the caliber of the round that matters.

  3. I currently hunt with a Ruger M77 in .270 caliber, and have shot antelope, mule deer and elk with it. However, my go to gun when all else fails is a 1942 Longbranch # 4 Enfield in 180 grain .303 caliber. I have shot antelope, mule deer, elk, and moose at distances in some instances to over 500 yards. Although it had been sporterized with the original two groove barrel shortened to remove the bayonet lugs, it will shoot one inch groups from the bench at 100 yards. I carry it hunting as my backup to the .270, I still have occasion to use like when I shot my moose at 300 yards. There is not a rifle around that I would trade it for!!

  4. Ya sure you want to give away the 270 secret ?

    When the ammo shortage was at its worst there was always 270 on the shelf all by it’s self! A big stack.

    1. @ OLD AND GRUMPY.

      You could go with the 7x57mm/Spanish Mauser, which is nearly Identical to the .270 Win. performance…

  5. When the time came for me to find a brother for my post-64 Model 70 in .30-’06, the Ruger Model 77 was a brand-new rifle being offered on the market, and I had to have one. I bought mine in 7mm Remington Magnum and have no regrets. Ballistically it is almost identical to the .270 Winchester.

  6. I have owned several rifles in several calibers. I have hunted most of the big game animals in north America and Alaska. I find that the .270 is more than adequate for all except brown bears and moose. For those I recommend the .338 Win Mag. I reload my own ammo and the .270 is a very easy caliber to load. I like the 130 gr pointed spire point for shots up to 300 yards.

  7. Jered,
    Agreed,
    My point being that the most important factor in the “best all round caliber” is the person doing the shooting

  8. I totally agree it is the riflemans rifle, I have been shooting a Winchester model 70 since 1970, have killed numerous deer at long range in my life as well as coyote. well pleased thanks to Mom and Dad for my rifle.

  9. I think the .270 Winchester is one of the best deer calibers out there. For the most part, most of us white tail and muley hunters will take a shot somewhere from 150 yards or closer. I have been using the .270 Winchester round for over 35 years along with the old reliable 30-30. I have no problem with taking a 250 to 300 yard shot with my .270 W Ruger M77 MARK II. My longest shot deer taken at 260 yards. The writer mentions the 130 and 150 grain bullets. I found the 140 grain .270 to be the best for me and my Ruger as far as long range, accuracy, knock down and much less damage to the deer than the 130 grain rounds, especially with a shot of 100 yards or less.
    I found the 150 grain bullet to pass through with little hole in and little hole exit wound on close range shots. As far as ammo brands, I am a staunch Hornady advocate. Hornady ammo, I feel, is the most consistent in quality and accuracy. I have used other great brands also but always came back to Hornady. I shot the .270Win/140gr./Custom for years then started using the .270Win/140gr./SST and never looked back. I use Hornady ammo in all my firearms handguns and rifles except only in my 30-30 where I use the Federal Power-Shok .30-30 Win 150 Grain SPFN for thick woods 100 yard or less shots . But that’s another post for another time. There are many guns and caliber for all types of hunts and hunters. For mule deer and white tail of any size to smaller game, I think and agree with the author, the .270Win is one of the best all around hunting calibers out there. No it’s not an elephant or rhinoceros hunting caliber, but how many of us ever go on kind of a hunt?

  10. Here’s my second thought on this subject: while I’ve gotten away from bolt guns for the most part I’ve kept a Savage .270, Savage .308 and a Remington 7mm mag. I use these rifles for precision shooting in the field. Each is dressed with a high end Nikon scope. Each gives me reliable, predictable impacts at exactly the point of aim and each has taken many deer — our primary source of meat. Because the .270 is so light and agile it’s my rifle of choice for pigs and Coyotes. … but the .277 Wolverine is fast catching up because of the AR-15 magazine capacity & light weight of the AR format.

  11. The .270 is a great round but until recently this classic cartridge could not join the AR family — but now it has in the form of .277 Wolverine or 6.8x39mm round. While it doesn’t have the reach of a full-up .270 it shoots very much like its daddy out to about 250 yards, and it’s a simple build of an upper that pops onto your M4 lower … uses any standard AR-15 magazine, uses the same bolt carrier group and requires no other modification to your rifle.
    The 6.8×39 is still a wildcat round but for AR shooters it brings the flexibility inherent in the .270 to the AR platform — and that’s a very good thing.

  12. As the most talked about, used, respected; when i was young and heard about the gun; I think deer was the word heard with it. And the magazines into “hunting” had the word “longer” ranged; the numbers do not lie much. I own one; and am left handed; who depends on the first shot with one shifter action word valued as “accuracy at designed range” where 200 yards is using the iron sights (and whether you eat good tonight) and how full the rack was on the last one and how much they weigh; the .270 with any of the shots; how light it is; how light the “kicker is” because of its design and practiced manufac. at caliber and ranged game (the bullet really does feel great) at 90 150 no 180 fall over 30’06 initial impact charachteristics; (like the deer isn’t gonna run if you do not go finish it)); has not ever been so challenged in “design” compared to today’s standard new modern designed into the caliber war (or even “magnum”); and racked 20 boxes of ammo to see how it feels (more than one shot). But when you take a deer with one and sweat no longer runs down the brow; will the .270 ever step down; where ever you are (I won’t sit it down any other way)? The numbers of them (they need to check it out) get to testify. But i like my 30’06 also; and have a 30/40 krag feels just like my .270 does (cartridge); however; they are all deer gun; elk; bear; 200 yards downhill windy (30) day brushy country “shots” I better like how my .270 does out there. Practice. My 30’06 w/scope huh; is dead on 100 (carried on last success) “100 yard uphill deer walking up hit the head aimed” with a 150 gn.; the 270 at 90 gn.? 130/120 grain steps out (trucking) and i hav shot it the most because i carry my 270 in my truck “out there” and use it to practice hitting it “right first” spending many bullets (the size matters) at my easy target “bullseyes”. My semi-auto .308 winchester could take down 4 animals in 5 seconds (but I do not own it anymore either; leaving semi to .22) and is today’s modern rifledom (“long range”) or “magnum 50 cal.”; a reliable versatile shifter .270 is what i carry (coyote, cougar, rabbit, quail, chukar, snakes, pheasant, bear, beer, rats, subsistance food; got wolf?). other gun? any shotgun with many pellets. just try to pick off the pheasants head with a 270; it will do it. My mom’s got a .257 roberts that can really group them (she slay deer too). My cousin used a 30/30 for years and got a deer at 100-200 yards every year. She just bought the .357 mag 12″ long barrel because i was hunting deer with it; and explained how the gun felt when it goes off) she’ll tell me how that works out for deer.
    Women afraid of recoil? Deer fever? Buck fever? Yes, I blame my misses on that (2 in a row; meat; butchered ok). Like having pull (side) problem from not shooting enuff.
    My gun for deer today is the iron site .270 at flat out (a very flat gun- wind(: where the ballistics show little up or down in trajectory over a certain number of yards) – singin’ the blues even@5’feet (cuz he came back alive) and 300 yards! But i also carry a shotgun.(the name says it all in what your “caliber” means).

    The .270 has been manufactured for how long now ? How many are there out there? New sounds great to me .270 win. got deer?

    But i always thank the moderators spirit of writing; the name on the gun and how this looks is; words stock, barrel, roll; great cartridge should last for many years of real use; years. I am watching USC/Stanford …

  13. As the most talked about, used, respected; when i was young and heard about the gun; I think deer was the word heard with it. And the magazines into “hunting” had the word “longer” ranged; the numbers do not lie much. I own one; and am left handed; who depends on the first shot with one shifter action word valued as “accuracy at designed range” where 200 yards is using the iron sights (and whether you eat good tonight) and how full the rack was on the last one and how much they weigh; the .270 with any of the shots; how light it is; how light the “kicker is” because of its design and practiced manufac. at caliber and ranged game (the bullet really does feel great) at 90 150 no 180 fall over 30’06 initial impact charachteristics; (like the deer isn’t gonna run if you do not go finish it)); has not ever been so challenged in “design” compared to today’s standard new modern designed into the caliber war (or even “magnum”); and racked 20 boxes of ammo to see how it feels (more than one shot). But when you take a deer with one and sweat no longer runs down the brow; will the .270 ever step down; where ever you are (I won’t sit it down any other way)? The numbers of them (they need to check it out) get to testify. But i like my 30’06 also; and have a 30/40 krag feels just like my .270 does (cartridge); however; they are all deer gun; elk; bear; 200 yards downhill windy (30) day brushy country “shots” I better like how my .270 does out there. Practice. My 30’06 w/scope huh; is dead on 100 (carried on last success) “100 yard uphill deer walking up hit the head aimed” with a 150 gn.; the 270 at 90 gn.? 130/120 grain steps out (trucking) and i hav shot it the most because i carry my 270 in my truck “out there” and use it to practice hitting it “right first” spending many bullets (the size matters) at my easy target “bullseyes”. My semi-auto .308 winchester could take down 4 animals in 5 seconds (but I do not own it anymore either; leaving semi to .22) and is today’s modern rifledom (“long range”) or “magnum 50 cal.”; a reliable versatile shifter .270 is what i carry (coyote, cougar, rabbit, quail, chukar, snakes, pheasant, bear, beer, rats, subsistance food; got wolf?). other gun? any shotgun with many pellets. just try to pick off the pheasants head with a 270; it will do it. My mom’s got a .257 roberts that can really group them (she slay deer too). My cousin used a 30/30 for years and got a deer at 100-200 yards every year. She just bought the .357 mag 12″ long barrel because i was hunting deer with it; and explained how the gun felt when it goes off) she’ll tell me how that works out for deer.
    Women afraid of recoil? Deer fever? Buck fever? Yes, I blame my misses on that.
    My gun for deer today is the iron site .270 at flat out (a very flat gun-where the ballistics show little up or down in trajectory over a certain number of yards) – singin’ the blues even@10 feet and 300 yards! But i also carry a shotgun.

    The .270 has been manufactured for how long now? How many are there out there? New sounds great to me .270 win… … …

  14. As the most talked about, used, respected; when i was young and heard about the gun; I think deer was the word heard with it. And the magazines into “hunting” had the word “longer” ranged; the numbers do not lie much. I own one; and am left handed; who depends on the first shot with one shifter action word valued as “accuracy at designed range” where 200 yards is using the iron sights (and whether you eat good tonight) and how full the rack was on the last one and how much they weigh; the .270 with any of the shots; how light it is; how light the “kicker is” because of its design and practiced manufac. at caliber and ranged game (the bullet really does feel great) at 90 150 no 180 fall over 30’06 initial impact charachteristics; (like the deer isn’t gonna run if you do not go finish it)); has not ever been so challenged in “design” compared to today’s standard new modern designed into the caliber war (or even “magnum”); and racked 20 boxes of ammo to see how it feels (more than one shot). But when you take a deer with one and sweat no longer runs down the brow; will the .270 ever step down; where ever you are (I won’t sit it down any other way)? The numbers of them (they need to check it out) get to testify. But i like my 30’06 also; and have a 30/40 krag feels just like my .270 does (cartridge); however; they are all deer gun; elk; bear; 200 yards downhill windy (30) day brushy country “shots” I better like how my .270 does out there. Practice. My 30’06 w/scope huh; is dead on 100 (carried on last success) “100 yard uphill deer walking up hit the head aimed” with a 150 gn.; the 270 at 90 gn.? 130/120 grain steps out (trucking) and i hav shot it the most because i carry my 270 in my truck “out there” and use it to practice hitting it “right first” spending many bullets (the size matters) at my easy target “bullseyes”. My semi-auto .308 winchester could take down 4 animals in 5 seconds (but I do not own it anymore either; leaving semi to .22) and is today’s modern rifledom (“long range”) or “magnum 50 cal.”; a reliable versatile shifter .270 is what i carry (coyote, cougar, rabbit, quail, chukar, snakes, pheasant, bear, beer, rats, subsistance food; got wolf?). other gun? any shotgun with many pellets. just try to pick off the pheasants head with a 270; it will do it. My mom’s got a .257 roberts that can really group them (she slay deer too). My cousin used a 30/30 for years and got a deer at 100-200 yards every year. My gun for deer today is the iron site .270 at flat out (a very flat gun) – singin’ the blues even@10 feet and 300 yards! But i do carry a shotgun.

  15. As the most talked about, used, respected; when i was young and heard about the gun; I think deer was the word heard with it. And the magazines into “hunting” had the word “longer” ranged; the numbers do not lie much. I own one; and am left handed; who depends on the first shot with one shifter action word valued as “accuracy at designed range” where 200 yards is using the iron sights (and whether you eat good tonight) and how full the rack was on the last one and how much they weigh; the .270 with any of the shots; how light it is; how light the “kicker is” because of its design and practiced manufac. at caliber and ranged game (the bullet really does feel great) at 90 150 no 180 fall over 30’06 initial impact charachteristics; (like the deer isn’t gonna run if you do not go finish it)); has not ever been so challenged in “design” compared to today’s standard new modern designed into the caliber war (or even “magnum”); and racked 20 boxes of ammo to see how it feels (more than one shot). But when you take a deer with one and sweat no longer runs down the brow; will the .270 ever step down; where ever you are (I won’t sit it down any other way)? The numbers of them (they need to check it out) get to testify. But i like my 30’06 also; and have a 30/40 krag feels just like my .270 does (cartridge); however; they are all deer gun; elk; bear; 200 yards downhill windy (30) day brushy country “shots” I better like how my .270 does out there. Practice. My 30’06 w/scope huh; is dead on 100 (carried on last success) “100 yard uphill deer walking up hit the head aimed” with a 150 gn.; the 270 at 90 gn.? 130/120 grain steps out (trucking) and i hav shot it the most because i carry my 270 in my truck “out there” and use it to practice hitting it “right first” spending many bullets (the size matters) at my easy target “bullseyes”. My semi-auto .308 winchester could take down 4 animals in 5 seconds (but I do not own it anymore either; leaving semi to .22) and is today’s modern rifledom (“long range”) or “magnum 50 cal.”; a reliable versatile shifter .270 is what i carry (coyote, cougar, rabbit, quail, chukar, pheasant, subsistance). other gun? any shotgun with many pellets. just try to pick off the pheasants head. My mom’s got a .257 roberts that can really group them.

  16. As the most talked about, used, respected; when i was young and heard about the gun; I think deer was the word heard with it. And the magazines into “hunting” had the word “longer” ranged; the numbers do not lie much. I own one; and am left handed; who depends on the first shot with one shifter action word valued as “accuracy at designed range” where 200 yards is using the iron sights (and whether you eat good tonight) and how full the rack was on the last one and how much they weigh; the .270 with any of the shots; how light it is; how light the “kicker is” because of its design and practiced manufac. at caliber and ranged game (the bullet really does feel great) at 90 150 no 180 fall over 30’06 initial impact charachteristics; (like the deer isn’t gonna run if you do not go finish it)); has not ever been so challenged in “design” compared to today’s standard new modern designed into the caliber war (or even “magnum”); and racked 20 boxes of ammo to see how it feels (more than one shot). But when you take a deer with one and sweat no longer runs down the brow; will the .270 ever step down; where ever you are (I won’t sit it down any other way)? The numbers of them (they need to check it out) get to testify. But i like my 30’06 also; and have a 30/40 krag feels just like my .270 does (cartridge); however; they are all deer gun; elk; bear; 200 yards downhill windy (30) day brushy country “shots” I better like how my .270 does out there. Practice. My 30’06 w/scope huh; is dead on 100 (carried on last success) “100 yard uphill deer walking up hit the head aimed” with a 150 gn.; the 270 at 90 gn.? 130/120 grain steps out (trucking) and i hav shot it the most because i carry my 270 in my truck “out there” and use it to practice hitting it “right first” spending many bullets (the size matters) at my easy target “bullseyes”. My semi-auto .308 winchester could take down 4 animals in 5 seconds (but I do not own it anymore either; leaving semi to .22) and is today’s modern rifledom (“long range”) or “magnum 50 cal.”; a reliable versatile shifter .270 is what i carry (coyote, cougar, rabbit, quail, chukar, pheasant, subsistance). other gun? any shotgun with many pellets. just try to pick off the pheasants head.

  17. As the most talked about, used, respected; when i was young and heard about the gun; I think deer was the word heard with it. And the magazines into “hunting” had the word “longer” ranged; the numbers do not lie much. I own one; and am left handed; who depends on the first shot with one shifter action word valued as “accuracy at designed range” where 200 yards is using the iron sights (and whether you eat good tonight) and how full the rack was on the last one and how much they weigh; the .270 with any of the shots; how light it is; how light the “kicker is” because of its design and practiced manufac. at caliber and ranged game (the bullet really does feel great) at 90 150 no 180 fall over 30’06 initial impact charachteristics; (like the deer isn’t gonna run if you do not go finish it)); has not ever been so challenged in “design” compared to today’s standard new modern designed into the caliber war (or even “magnum”); and racked 20 boxes of ammo to see how it feels (more than one shot). But when you take a deer with one and sweat no longer runs down the brow; will the .270 ever step down; where ever you are (I won’t sit it down any other way)? The numbers of them (they need to check it out) get to testify. But i like my 30’06 also; and have a 30/40 krag feels just like my .270 does (cartridge); however; they are all deer gun; elk; bear; 200 yards downhill windy (30) day brushy country “shots” I better like how my .270 does out there. Practice. My 30’06 w/scope huh; is dead on 100 (carried on last success) “100 yard uphill deer walking up hit the head aimed” with a 150 gn.; the 270 at 90 gn.? 130/120 grain steps out (trucking) and i hav shot it the most because i carry my 270 in my truck “out there” and use it to practice hitting it “right first” spending many bullets (the size matters) at my easy target “bullseyes”. My semi-auto .308 winchester could take down 4 animals in 5 seconds (but I do not own it anymore either; leaving semi to .22) and is today’s modern rifledom (“long range”) or “magnum 50 cal.”; a reliable versatile shifter .270 is what i carry (coyote, cougar, rabbit, quail, chukar, pheasant, subsistance). other gun? any shotgun with many pellets.

  18. As the most talked about, used, respected; when i was young and heard about the gun; I think deer was the word heard with it. And the magazines into “hunting” had the word “longer” ranged; the numbers do not lie much. I own one; and am left handed; who depends on the first shot with one shifter action word valued as “accuracy at designed range” where 200 yards is using the iron sights (and whether you eat good tonight) and how full the rack was on the last one and how much they weigh; the .270 with any of the shots; how light it is; how light the “kicker is” because of its design and practiced manufac.at caliber and ranged game (the bullet really does feel great at 90 150 no 180 fall over 30’06 initial impact charachteristics; (like the deer isn’t gonna run if you do not go finish it)); has not ever been so challenged in “design” compared to today’s standard new modern designed into the caliber war (or even “magnum”); and racked 20 boxes of ammo to see how it feels (more than one shot). But when you take a deer with one and sweat no longer runs down the brow; will the .270 ever step down; where ever you are (I won’t sit it down any other way)? The numbers of them (they need to check it out) get to testify. But i like my 30’06 also; and have a 30/40 krag feels just like my .270 does (cartridge); however; they are all deer gun; elk; bear; 200 yards downhill windy (30) day brushy country “shots” I better like how my .270 does out there. Practice.

  19. As the most talked about, used, respected; when i was young and heard about the gun; I think deer was the word heard with it. And the magazines into “hunting” had the word “longer” ranged; the numbers do not lie much. I own one; and am left handed; who depends on the first shot with one shifter action word valued as “accuracy at designed range” where 200 yards is using the iron sights and how full the rack was on the last one and how much they weigh; the .270 has not ever been so challenged in “design” compared to today’s standard new modern designed; and racked 20 boxes of ammo to see how it feels (more than one shot). But when you take a deer with one and sweat no longer runs down the brow; will the .270 ever step down; where ever you are? The numbers of them (they need to check it out) get to testify.

  20. Michigan offers an enormous variety of terrain for whitetail, solid elk and over the past 15-20 years the coyote population has grown to ridiculous levels.
    In the ol’ hunting locker resides a Browning A-bolt medallion in 7mm Rem mag (shoulder cannon), my grandfather’s Winchester 94 30/30, a Weatherby Vanguard S2 (stainless) in .270, a T/C Contender in 7-30 Waters. In my opinion, the variety of firearms and their respective chamberings lead to a knowledgeable hunter’s success.
    However, when it comes to consistency, hand-loading flexibility, and comfort at the range, I absolutely pick the .270. 100-400 yards it’s dependable and predictable. I love my 7mm for seriously long bean-field plots and hunting out West for mulies, elk and bighorn on the other slope. It will knock everything down.
    But the .270 remains my “go to”, so long as I’m not hunkering down in the trees, or stalking lowlands and swamps. Then good ol’ grandad’s 30/30 is king.
    But if you want 40 years of singular experience in a simple phrase…the best gun is the one you KNOW you can hit what you’re aiming at.

  21. I don’t know what all this talk about how much recoil is in the .30-06 round, I have shot thousands of rounds of them and I am sixty years old. I like the .270, good knock down power. My last hunt I used my Remington 700 modified, chambered in .30-06 165 grain Federal, and shot him in the heart at 150 yards. I practice all the time and don’t have any problems shooting the .30-06. My son who is as thin as draw’n water loves the M1 Garands, it’s his favorite rifle to shoot. He never mentioned the recoil. He did mention the recoil of my Steyr M95/34 Carbine which shoots a 8X56R 208 grain round out of a barrel whose length is under 19 inches, he complained about his shoulder, I never had a problem with it. It is a gas to shoot. I take it with me when I am in thick brush and a scoped rifle is of little use. I also use my Marlin .30-30 sometimes when I am moving in the brush. That .30-30 round has taken more game animals that all the others combined, and yet some call that rifle a “ladies” gun. It’s a hard hittng round and I have made 200 yard shots with iron sights. Most of my deer/elk husts were under 200 yards. I am not much of a scientist when it comes to the fine arts of target shooting. If I get a good group at a hundred yards, I am happy with any firearm chambered in .270, .30-06 or .30-30. rounds they each have their individual respective virtues. I have yet to get any game with my M38 Mosin-Nagant which shoots the powerful 7.62x54R mm with a 203 grain bullet, talk about recoil!! The US military did experiment with the Penderson .276 round before WWII, and it is pretty close to the 6.8 mm SPC round currently available. The more things change, the more things remain the same.

    1. Guess you never shot the pre-64 Winchester? That brass butt plate will leave a bruise after 10-20 rounds! 180gr. for elk. Still, I would not trade it for anything!

    2. I grew up on a farm in the 1940’s. My rifle was a Winchester 94, in .32 Special (essentially a 30-30). Shot game of all sorts My 1958 Rifle was a Winchester model 70 , floating barrel in .270. I loved it! Cannot count the number of single shot kills. In upstate New York at the time, Deer was our main source of meat.

      After Vietnam I could not hunt as I had been hunted myself. I sold my beloved .270 for $100.

      I have another Winchester .270 for fun but most of my shooting is in 7.62 x 51 M-14. The .270 is fun but I still don’t hunt and shooting is just a fun thing now..I am 76 and still enjoy.

  22. Love the 270 WIN. Add the 308, 243, and 223 and I’m all set. I don’t hunt anything that requires a larger caliber, but I might consider a 300WIN MAG. I have 30-06s too, but they are old military (Springfield o3 and Garand) but don’t use them for hunting.Of course, others will have different preferences but that’s what makes the gun world go ’round.

  23. I’ve been a 270 man from the time I was a teen and on the bench my m77 hawk eye shoots wholes in wholes many times and is the one I use most . All so my 6 mm could bust ground hogs 400 yards regularly and the most accurate gun i’ve ever owned it all so a m77 of course it’s just a 243 mag in my eyes . and there is the 338 mag which was bought to take out west elk hunting and is the perfect round but kicks like a mule and I all way regretted bench time but was all so could shoot 5” groups at 400 it was a modle 70 winchester .

  24. I think most of us old timers in PA swear by the 30-06 as the single best all around caliber – especially if you reload or want a good round for bear. A Remington 760 pump in 30-06 with 3-9x or 4-12x scope in 30-06 is an ideal first, all around rifle. If you aren’t going for bear, and would like less recoil, my choices would be .308 then the 270. My uncle used a .270 all his life in PA and swore by it. But he also had a 300 win mag for bear.

    1. I think it depends on which PA old timers you’re talking about. The Rem 760 is definitely the ticket for western PA deer and bear. However, my old timers were a little more progressive thinkers and realized that the 270 could do everything the 06 could do but was flatter shooting at longer range. I witnessed so many one shot kills as a youngster with the 270, that as soon as I was an adult and ready to purchase my 1st ‘grown up’ deer rifle, I traded my 30-30 for a 760 in 270 caliber. Now that I am getting to be an old timer, I have found that my 7600 in 243 caliber does the same job out to a couple hundred yards. The 270 is a better choice for bear though. If you can only have 1 rifle, it would be hard to find anything better than the 270.

    2. A good choice, Especially for the forests. I own one and am thinking about a red dot sight for faster shots at hogs. I love the 270, but you can do just about anything you want with that combo and with faster follow up shots if needed

    3. A .270 is enough for any bear in Pennsylvania. More than enough. There is absolutely no need for a magnum just for bear. We killed 6 bear this year alone (family and friends) and all but one were killed with .223. The 6th one was killed with a .22 mag. I have seen many a bear killed with 12ga #4 shot and .22 mag as well. And one shot was all it took in all accounts. .30-30 is good bear medicine as well.

    4. We got two – 170 & 140 pounders. So I guess I am ok with your 223 if that’ is the kind of bear your’e talking about. But there are some 500lb bears out there and I don’t think that the .223 is what you want to be shooting for a quick kill (not impossible, but not smart either). I can’t personally speak to the 500 pounder, but I have seen a 350 pounder dropped cleanly with one shot from a 270 (about 40 yds) and I would not hesitate to use that 270 on a 500 pound beast if the opportunity presented itself.. Your absolutely right about the magnums though – just no reason for them in PA, Wyoming maybe.

  25. Jack O’Connor wrote about the 270 and for years he used it for everything in North and South American and took this with him to Africa, where he used it on everything but the Big 5. For that he used the 375 H&H.
    The hand loader canget some remarkable accuracy, and the bullet designs give devastating effects on game.
    This is the real “American Magnum”.

  26. Abelhorn is right! What makes an all-around rifle is largely preference and the shooter’s ability. I have a 243, 270, 308, and 30.06. I am partial to the 270 but love the others except 30.06. Even then, I love the Garand. Friend of mine’s Dad successfully hunts Elk with a 30/30. Also have a friend who shot an Elk three times in the heart/ lungs at 125 yards with Barnes TSX bullets before it went down. I live in Texas where the 243 is ideal and regardless of what your are shooting, a shot over 300 yards is risky for most people. I bought the 270 as a kid on the advice of an adult and haven’t regretted it and in my experience, it’s not any harder to shoot well than the 243. Beware the one gun man!

    1. The elk didn’t go down because he didn’t bust it’s shoulders. Put a bullet through his shoulders he ain’t going anywhere.

  27. As a once upon a time guide there were far too many times I had to fire last round in order to anchor poorly hit or simply hit by not enough force due to range animal that may of gotten into thick timber in roadless areas.
    Anyone who hunts Washington rain forest knows the almost immpossability of tracking a lightly wounded long haired bear or elk in slough brush and devil club canyons.
    Being a hunter not a killer I want as close up and personal hunt as possible so my long range back then was a 308.I knew that BS is a gun owners purview and even after helpin him sight in At 2″ @100 that come trigger time they would shoot body mass which on an ielk is one big fn mess as they are tough.
    I am at a loss watching these killers at long range because it is not the hunt but my pecker is bigger than yours trophy.
    An animal 1/2 mile away or more does not know they are hunted and for damned sure these pretty girly boys in cammy cannot find energy or ability to sneak closer.
    My youngest son and I belly crawled a good three hundred yards through freezing snow ,0 until at about 250 yards he said he could take him and he did;0 one shot through neck behind head.
    Not no trophy but jupst last summer out of blue he asked me if I remembered that “time.
    So when you brG of 1” moa and no more than 4 @ 600why do you shoot for shoulders or heart lung shots ?
    Tell you why, it is the kill not the skill of the hunt, and after having too dispatch far too many suffering animals as the hunters stood watching it die and playing with their crotches, my MOA is the most humane.
    308, 270 or super magnum you place the rounds where they dispatch animal as effeciently as possible.
    Too afraid of missing lan animal from lack of confidence, another trait of hunters hot air and bull sh$%.

  28. MY therapy weapons of choice upon return to real world from SE Asia was the best Reminton in 270 Win and a Ruger semi auto 22 pistol.
    I fired the Ruger on average a brick of quality 22 monthly oand sometimes 4 or 5 bricks with buds.must of put way over 60,000 rounds through it before selling it to wifes cousin who still owns it today I lived where natural berm into woods some 600+yards pstood and we made a two lane from 0 through p400 yards and my remington with factory or handloads out shot manpy other calibers for accuracy.
    That is until my marine bud got homeband bought his Special Rem and we had to extend full 600.
    YOU guessed it I sold wifes cousin Remington and he still uses it of western whitetails.
    There was no way the 270 held a candle to the 308. With good scopes we used to vie for a case of beer for the guy who broke most penny balloons at 600 out of one box of shells
    .sometimes it took more than 1 box to decide.
    lHe is gone now but his boy lives in Alaska but comes home to take his mom on hunt, her rifle is the one my bud had on thosenostalgic veteran bonding days oh so many many years ago.
    I have taken far more game with 130 grain 270 than byanemic 308 and last years on hunts it was Magnums.
    Son bought the fanciest top model Savage, beautiful cheek rest wood stock, accu-trigge, magaxine fed stainless long barreled in you guessed it 270 winchester .
    For the open range hunts and that 130 Hornady thumps em as it should.5

  29. Perhaps, it was just my experiences with the .270 that turned me against it. Necking down a 30-06 to .277, but using the same powder charge increases the chamber pressure and increases felt recoil to greater than the 30-06 without increasing to any great degree, muzzle and terminal velocity. This is just my opinion, but replacing the venerable 30-06, which offers up more recoil than I like with the .270 is just for those that like to be hurt by recoil. I have shot the .338 Win. Mag with less pain. Keep this round and I will stay with my .308 as my go-to all around caliber.

  30. I have shot my old pre-64 Winchester M-70 in .270 Win quite a bit in our local SRHP matches using a reduced load consisting of 25gr. of Accurate Arms 5744 powder and any 100 or 130 grain bullet. Velocity is in the 1600 to 1800fps range, recoil and muzzle blast are mild and it groups nicely.

  31. i have owned a savage 110 in 270 using 130 gr bullet with great suggest. i now own a Remington 783 in 270. both were easy to zero in both hold zero very well.both had wonderful results for range and knockdown power, with out being beat-up from a 30-06 and a lot liter to carry.

    1. ablehorn, the .243 is a great round, but hardly up to the performance of the .270, 30-06, or even it’s parent round, the .308. At best the .243 is a 300 yrd. round. Have owned .243’s in the past. While they shoot flat and fast up to 100 yrds, they drop off rapidly passed, more rapidly than the .270. 30-06, or .308, that distance. Still in it’s limited capacity, it’s a great round.

    2. While I like the .243/6mm for long range target use and plinking gophers beyond human sight, it can never be deemed as an “all around” cartridge. Far too light in any bullet for anything more than (maybe) a deer at 100 yards or less. To put it up against a mountain sheep or bear, elk, moose, etc, is asking too much of the light bullets. True, everyone knows someone who made a “one shot kill” on some monster animal with their .243. But then, everyone also knows someone who’s hit a deer at a grand and dropped it with one shot.

      While not the best all around cartridge, I’ll pick my .308 or 30-06 as the rifle of choice for anything I’m ever likely to hunt at any distance.

    3. LAST TIME I CHECKED THE ONLY THING THAT COUNTED BESIDE

      AIM WAS A POWER FACTOR.

      VELOCITY & ENERGY AT THE YARDAGE OF THE SHOT

      FURTHERMORE IF YOU NEED TO SHOOT THROUGH A TIGHT HOLE

      MY 243 WILL GET YOUR GAME WHILE YOU SHOOT TIMBER.

  32. For most of my life I rejected a 270 on principle, thought one to be just hype. “The Shop” had a plastic barrel of clunkers, including one that barely made it to the top. It was a Rem 721, stock broken at the wrist, at an appropriate price. It followed me home. I found a 700 stock, so I splurged on a box magazine floorplate. I had to do some sculpturing on the magazine, but it works. Well, earlier tests suggested I needed to try a premium bullet, really like Nosler Partitions. Glass bedded, free floating, and a good stiff load of Re-22, 3160 over the traps, this puppy will hold under 3/4 inches at 100.

    Have I changed my mind about a 270? Oh, yeah.

  33. Have purchased two post-64.Win. Model 70’s and one Classic feed. All produced 3 shot, 1 in, groups, out of the box with Remington 130 gr Core-Lokt ammo. Recoil was fine for my daughter. Accuracy with 110 gr reloads was fine for chucks. And ammo is always available.
    Don’t recommend the 130 gr Remington for hunting though. It knocks’em dead with a shoulder shot but doesn’t expand otherwise. It is hard to beat a .270 Win. for an all-round rifle.

  34. Even during the darkest days of the ammo shortage there was always .270 on the shelf. A lonely stack of boxes. That’s another good reason to have one in the safe.

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