Ammunition

Getting the Lead Out — of the Entire U.S.?

Doe Run Company’s primary lead smelter based in Herculaneum, Missouri — the last such facility in the United States — is scheduled to close in December. The Herculaneum smelter is currently the only smelter in the United States which can produce lead bullion from raw lead ore that is mined nearby in Missouri’s extensive lead deposits, giving the smelter its “primary” designation, according to NRA-ILA. So, will consumers eventually feel this shutdown at the retail level — for example, reduced supplies of bullet components, higher prices, or more alternative bullet alloys?

The Doe Run plant is located in eastern Missouri. Image credit: Wikipedia.
The Doe Run plant is located in eastern Missouri. Image credit: Wikipedia.
Cheaper Than Dirt! has sent requests for comment to many of the major bullet and ammunition makers, and one has responded so far. Sierra Bullets Plant Engineer Darren Leskiw said, “We have had many customers contact us about the closing of the last primary lead smelting facility in the USA. The main question asked is, ‘Will this shut down your supply of lead?’ The answer to that is no.” The lead smelter has existed in the same location since 1892. The lead bullion produced in Herculaneum is then sold to lead-product producers, including ammunition manufacturers for use in conventional ammunition components such as projectiles, projectile cores, and primers. Several “secondary” smelters, where lead is recycled from products such as lead acid batteries or spent ammunition components, still operate in the United States.

Plant Engineer Leskiw said, “First, Sierra buys lead from several different vendors to maintain constant supply. Second, this facility only smelts primary lead or lead ore. This is lead ore that has just been brought out of the earth. Sierra uses no primary lead at all and never has, so we use nothing directly from this facility. The lead we buy from Doe Run comes from their recycling facility in Boss, Misssouri that is about 90 miles away from the smelter that is closing.

“The facility we buy from is still going strong and delivering to us as scheduled. The lead from this facility is from recycled lead, mostly coming from car batteries. This is a continuing ‘in and out’ cycle for them, and the smelter closing will not affect this facility.” According to the NRA, Doe Run made significant efforts to reduce lead emissions from the smelter, but in 2008 the federal Environmental Protection Agency issued new National Ambient Air Quality Standards for lead that were 10 times tighter than the previous standard. Given the new lead air-quality standard, Doe Run made the decision to close the Herculaneum smelter.

Leskiw said, “Could the lack of primary lead create a little more demand for recycled lead? Sure, but how much is unknown. Could this increase in demand also create an increase in price? Sure, but again, by how much is unknown at this time. There are many other primary lead smelters in the world, so the flow of primary lead will not be shut off.” “In short, we do not see any reason for alarm,” Leskiw said, “We expect our supply to continue and keep feeding our production lines, which are still running 24 hours per day to return our inventory levels to where they should be.” About 145 employees of the Doe Run lead smelter will lose their jobs at the end of December because of the plant’s closure, the Doe Run Co. said. An additional 73 contractor jobs also will be eliminated. The plant announced in 2010 that it will cease operations at the end of this year.

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency said the company “made a business decision” to shut down the smelter instead of installing pollution control technologies needed to reduce sulfur dioxide and lead emissions as required by the Clean Air Act. The Doe Run Co. announced last year that it had dropped plans to build a new lead processing facility in Herculaneum that would have used a new, cleaner lead production technology. The company cited the $100 million project as too financially risky.

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Comments (48)

  1. Jim get your head out of the sand. Fear is certainly fueling the ammo shortage but when the government buys billions with a B rounds it is going to cause a problem with the supply chain. Seen any 22 shells on the rack lately. You know the ones with the lead bullets. Glad I have some.

  2. right now recycled lead will sustain markets, but others states will follow CA lead hunting ban soon like the emissions very soon all the country will be paying extra for carb products whose regulations are based on a mail order pH D that Ca will not fire for not being credentialed and in a few years only new heave trucks will be allowed to cross the border of that state. BUT the biggest problem is the EPA is now not following the law that was voted on in congress they are following presidential executive orders which has not been voted on in congress this is where the problem lies he is unilaterally making de facto law skipping the legislative process something he is also doing with ACA
    and as usual the middle class the only people making this country work take the brunt of the regulation and cost

  3. As I said; Paul Warburg to the US Congress in 1950; ‘You will have a one world government whether you like it or not. The only question is, will it come about peacefully or by more traditional means.’

    George H.W. Bush in the White House proclaimed the beginning of ‘a New World Order’.

    Certain extremely wealthy people and Foundations(Ford, Rockefeller, etc.) have been slowly working towards this for around a Century. Remember the Nazis & Eugenics ? You may be suprised to find out that Bill & Melinda Gates, Warren Buffet & others are involved in the depopulation of the planet utilizing Eugenics principles as their guidelines. They’re pushing ‘Sustainability’. They believe that the Earth is only capable of adequetly sustaining between 300, 000 – 500, 000 humans, without doing damage to the planet. The current global population is about 6-1/2 Billion people… That’s a lot of dead bodies to recycle…

  4. post #18 is right on the money!
    Collect wheel weights! (wear gloves though as it is very toxic!!!) we did that as children growing up in overly regulated West Germany in the 80’s so that we could melt our own weights for fishing purposes. Lead melts super easy and if you have a nice steel mold to pour it into, it’s fun! There are sets for sale! check the web.
    It was actually illegal (!) to get the weights from a friend who worked at a Gas station where they constantly changed tires but of course we did it anyway because the fishing stores charged an arm and a leg for it! try buying Guns or Ammo in Germany just by walking into a store and showing ID……hahahahaa! Good luck!
    It will happen here too, the writing is on the wall and actually all over our faces by now.

  5. OK, the primary source of lead production upon which all the secondary smelters and recycling depend, will cease to exist soon. Of course we will run into some serious shortages of lead within months or maybe a few years. Supply and demand…I am sure most have heard about it in theory. Allright, so let’s say we import the lead from China as of next year and assume the following values which are actually under priced, real prices will be much higher:
    1×40′ shipping container from door in China to door in the USA: USD 2000 (this is ONLY for the transportation, not even considering storage, handling etc)
    it can hold approx. 45,000.00 lbs of cargo
    1 lbs equals 7,000.00 grains (I am using grains since gun owners are used to counting in grains)
    45000 x 7000 = 315,000,000.00 Grains of lead
    Now, let’s say you use 115 grain 9mm Luger ammo: the shipping container can carry the equivalent 2739130 units of 115 grain bullet at at cost of $ 2000 (which is vastly under estimated)
    That comes out to be USD 7.3 cents per 115 grain bullet.
    If you are shooting 230 grain 45ACP bullets for your beautiful 1911 it will be twice as much: 14.6 cents per bullet
    So if you purchase your ammo in pack of 50’s you will pay the following additional in price :
    115 grain 9mm Luger: USD 3.65
    230 grain 45 ACP : USD 7.30
    So we are looking at an immediate price increase of 25-35% right off the bat. Over time, the prices could very well easily double, over 40 years they could increase 10-20 fold and so on, until maybe some day the USA decide to mine their own lead again.
    Same scenario with rare earth metals….China produces 90% of them and does not sell them, they control the world market and dictate prices. That is the U.S. is frantically trying to revive one of their 100-year old mines in California now.
    And again, this is vastly underestimated and does not include companies profits etc…I think it is safe to say that the real cost is going to be 3-4 times higher in the very near future (less than 5-10 years) than this simple calculation of mine – remember, that a high demand and dependency on a limited products will driver prices up higher and higher.
    hope you liked my simple math 🙂
    Semper Fi!

  6. I agree with the sentiment in some of these posts. The general outrage and sadness about the current state of affairs in our lovely country. However I don’t believe Obama has some master plan that he is slowly devolving our country into a Marxist state. I don’t think he could do it if he wanted to. Presidents don’t hold as much power as we would like to blame them for. Think about it….
    A president serves for 4-8 years max, H couldn’t have had anything to do with things that started before he was born. Whereas all the other f$#kheads that run everything below him serve for life or until replaced. That’s why he went into office talking about “hope” and “change” and shutting down Guantanamo bay. Then he got to work his first day and they said “slow down tiger, you just got here. let us tell you how things work around here.” Added to this resistance to change is the hundreds of rich special interest groups of varying size and political clout all fighting to get 1 or 2 laws passed that only effect some small sector that they are interested in. I almost wish there was some New World Order calling all of the shots from up high and planning our demise. That would be more comforting than the reality of the matter.. We are governed by invalids who have no idea what they are doing. All the crap that has befallen our country is simply the result of poor management and putting off problems for future generations. Republicans and Democrats are both spit. I agree with the previous poster. Can we get a mulligan on our government?

  7. Maybe we should start pushing the issue of mass immigration into “OUR COUNTRY” being the main cause of pollution … How come the EPA has been delinquent on doing a study on pollution caused by mass immigration… ?

  8. Biggest cause of pollution facing the United States is unchecked immigration… how come the main cause of all pollution isn’t being addressed by the EPA???

  9. seems to me that all ”recycled” lead and ”secondary source” lead initially comes from somewhere else, a ”primary” source. So, if this is the primary source for the U.S.A., then how WON’T it affect prices & availability?

  10. I live about 60 miles from the Herculaneum smelter, and used to maintain some of Doe Runs electronic equipment as a contractor. This smelter has been under consideration for shutdown for several years, due to it’s age not making it practical to operate, the EPA regulations constantly being increased and the lawsuits by people who moved into the area knowing the smelter was there, then complaining about it. The smelter has been running at reduced output for several years, just producing enough to not be legally considered shut down, in an attempt to postpone the millions, maybe billions of dollars it will cost for the site clean up. They have another smelter at Glover, Mo. that is also running a skeleton staff for the same reason.

  11. Market forces will sort this out. If the price of lead goes up enough, it may make the construction of a new primary smelter in the USA less financially risky. Over-regulation drives factories and jobs out of the country, but it may be that imported lead bullion is already cheaper if it comes from 2nd and 3rd world countries that lack clean air regulations. This also gives the company a chance to lay off all of its current workforce at that factory, and then rehire employees for a future primary smelter, using new hires working for temp agencies and accepting a much lower wage, and while this may be bad news for a few workers, it will probably end up eventually being good news for consumers.

  12. When the government can arbitrarily change the limit of the amount of lead emmissions that a company can produce; when the government can mandate that you buy health insurance, and mandate that your health insurance include such things as gender reassignment surgery and maternity benefits (my wife hasn’t been able to have a child for over 30 years so why do either of us need maternity benefits); when the government can be used as a political tool, when the government can spy on every communication or transaction you make….what is the difference between that and a totalitarian dictatorship?

  13. In response to one statement made by G-man; While the Chinese do own a significant portion of our National Debt, the, by far, largest portion of our Debt is owed to the American People, through the governments ‘theft’ of our Social Security and Medicare Trust Funds monies, wherein they left government securities, as IOUs. Collectively these amount to a far greater amount, than that which we owe to foreign nations. Thus the efforts to label our Social Safety nets programs as ‘Entitlements’ even though both of the programs, that I mentioned, are fully funded through worker’s and their employer’s payroll contribution, Not by other means of taxation of the American people.
    Were said monies to have been placed in even a low interest bearing accounts, of each individual, each person would have had More than enough to survive well into their twilight years with no worries about ever running out of funds.
    note; I’m not inventing this out of whole cloth, but merely repeating what I’ve read elsewhere.

  14. I worked for doe run for three and a half years. It is the only smelter in the world that produces raw lead from ore. Yes we built a recycling center. Mostly for soap company’s, and I was part of them building a plant in Peru. But the only other smelter was in the Soviet Union and it’s has been closed for 20 years. So do the math guys and gals. You can only recycle so much. But we sent lead all around the world I guess it will really hurt the second and third world country’s. The Soviet Union dumped millions upon millions of tons of lead on the LME. years ago so I know they have none left. We were told we would never be shut down because of the demand of the us government and people. But we supplied so many other countries. What are they going to do? I hate reading this story that means a bunch of my friends are going to lose a damn good job. About 300 hourly. And probably 150 or more salary just at the smelter not including the mines. And sulphuric acid a by product of smelting lead it’s gone too. It will really hurt a bunch of small towns in that area. Herculaneum, Pevely, crystal city, and festus. Sad day!!!!

  15. A recent article in the Wall Street Journal detailed how commodity investors and putting money in to lead because they see a big spike up in prices. While we are concerned about ammo, it’s price and availability think about the cost and availability of auto batteries. Our cars are started by lead-based batteries. Have you checked the prices on replacement batteries lately? Three years ago I could get the battery replaced in my pickup at the local tire store for $69.95. Their lowest price yesterday was $129. Any our government keeps telling us there is no inflation!

  16. The EPA standard, as mentioned in this article, went into effect in November 2008. I seem to recall the president then was someone other than Obama. Doe Run announced the closure in 2010 when lead prices were depressed and there was a worldwide overcapacity. They weren’t the only ones closing smelters. When you consider that cooking lead ore is incredibly dirty, and we’ve been moving to cleaner emissions for decades, and that China can produce lead more cheaply than us this closure looks like a market-driven business decision and not some government conspiracy to disarm us all.

    I think the real criticism should be that the Feds didn’t offer Doe Run financial help to update the smelter and maintain at least one primary US lead producer as a strategic resource. Choosing not to help keep it keep going IS something you can blame on the Obama administration, although the Tea Party would likely have objected to bailing out Doe Run.

  17. So your saying G-Man, that when we are all unimployed and rely on govt assistance, we will all be able to afford electric cars and solar panels with rechargeable batteries?

  18. I do not see anyway where the price of lead will not be affected. We will go from having tons of lead produced in the center of the US, to shipping lead in from China or other countries.

    Does not seem smart from a national security standpoint either. Got a big ammo plant in Lake City to supply the military with ammo, but we can’t make any right now because are waiting on our shipment of lead from China. Great.

  19. If the intent was only to reduce supply to make bullets. Wouldn’t the Administration also ban importation and or domestic recycling? But what this does remind me of, the demise of the domestic steel industry… Imported and recycled steel of the late 70’s or early 80’s. Brand new cars rusted out it two too three years… Even paranoids have enemies, remain vigilant.

  20. Considering the years of geoengineering with aerial contrails loaded with aluminum, barium and strontium, the EPA is a globalist confederate for Agenda 21 and the coal plants, oil/gas are the enemy. Obama as their homeboy is fully on board to carry out the Wildlands Project and ICLEI United Nations agenda. Carbon Crazies are killing the world economy and deindustrializing us is their goal. From Maurice Strong to Al Gore, these psychopaths refer to carbon dioxide as the enemy. Fukushima radiation, meantime, just another inconvenient truth. People should really wake up from their stupors and understand the design. Here is perfect example of NAFTA and another sucking sound of jobs disappearing and the transition to a global governing existence.

  21. Considering the years of geoengineering with aerial contrails loaded with aluminum, barium and strontium, the EPA is a globalist confederate for Agenda 21 and the coal plants, oil/gas are the enemy. Obama as their homeboy is fully on board to carry out the Wildlands Project and ICLEI United Nations agenda. Carbon Crazies are killing the world economy and deindustrializing us is their goal. From Maurice Strong to Al Gore, these psychopaths refer to cardon dioxide as the enemy. Fufkshima radiation, meantime, just another inconvenient truth. People should really wake up from their stupors and understand the design. Here is perfect example of NAFTA and another sucking sound of jobs disappearing and the transition to a global governing existence.

  22. China’s a great exporter of lead. In fact, it’s in almost everything they ship to America. The joke is that China exported some lead to the US and they found some toys in it…

    BTW, if you lose your initial source of lead–for which there’s obviously a market, then how will the recycling effort meet that need when it’s just meeting market requirements today ? No, this is going to have a significant impact.

  23. Wow,

    I’m sorry, Maybe Reading comprehension is you folks strong suit. The article was talking about Lead and sulfer dioxygen reduction laws that affect lead supply, and some jobs. I saw nothing in the actirle to support Religeous, or partisan Rants. Folks need to get to work and stop being slackivist.

  24. The problems were have in this once great Republic are strikingly similar to those that lead to the fall of the Roman Empire. We have an equal amount of people that receive some kind of federal check, food stamps, section 8 housing etc. Many of these people suck of the federal tit and vote for more. I see all policies of this government as a plan to collapse our economy. I am one of those who sucks off the tit. I am retired from the Army and if the government collapses I will be on my own as my truck driving job won’t be needed. I am not worried about my survival but I have 3 sons and 2 granddaughters whose futures are in jeopardy. I can see no choice in the eventual breakdown of civil authority and the country being split up along ideological lines. I am not from Texas but will petition the Republic of Texas for citizenship when the time comes. Sorry I’m off topic. With the stroke of a pen Obama can ban the import of lead from other countries. My plan is to collect wheel weights to use in my already purchased bullet molds. I probably won’t outlast my ammo supply but my children might. My 2 cents worth.

  25. @ Spacegunner (Comment #15) Very well done. I applaud you. Truer words could not have been written. Though I never alluded to it in my writings above, I also never indicated Obama to be the genius behind this rapid Marxist transformation either. I believe as you that he is a mere pawn in the overall scheme of things to come.

    I think it sad we are in such a state of decline that you are already knew your mention of our Lord would provoke backlash even before you posted it. Though you are correct, it is still very sad to me that we now live in a society where we know believers will be attacked. As you know, there was a time when mentioning our Lord was natural and celebrated rather than chastised and considered extreme. So sad! So very, very sad.

    As for Hide Behind’s comments, I’m almost embarrassed that I took the time to respond at such length. I think he was only a couple of shots down upon his first post, but his second post made me realize he’d finished the whole bottle.

  26. In reference to Comment #14: “Unless my degrees in a couple diciplines were a complete waste of money, mine, and profs time. . . the Joint Chiefs and where does their command control end?
    THOIS MILITAY IS OF THE ORDERING UNDER BUSH WHEN VP and it was Al Gore who was the responsible one that began its reorganiztion that under Obama is in its final configuration for international and has yeet to completely ontegrate as began in Bush II reign.” HUH?!!

    It seems to me that it perhaps WAS “a complete waste of money, mine, and profs [profs’] time. It appears that Hide Behind has left his mind, intellect, & schooling “behind”, and is now able to “hide” behind his I-Phone or Crack-Berry. Is he becoming one of the flock (of sheeple)?

  27. Google, Wikipedia or any other search on George Soros, and you will find out who the real kingpin is. King Obama will soon become a whining pawn. (Real) King George is wielding his power with his money & influence to destroy the US of A and its Constitution. Soros has players on both sides of the political Aisle, and in all three branches of the US Government.

    The environment, immigration, racism, socio-economic differences, etc. are all vehicles in the carrying the Marxist/Socialist convoys to destroy America.

    The biggest problem is the American public, the Generation of Entitlement we raised, and the Sheeple they have become. The Preambe of the Constitution will be read as, “We the sheeple of the Divided States of Soros . . .”

    Historians 100-200 years from now (providing our Lord has yet to return) will be puzzled & amazed how we Americans could have been so stupid. The same questions are answered by studying the history of ancient Egypt, Rome, Greece & China, the British Empire, the Soviet Union, etc. These great nations/empires were never conquered by their enemies – they rotted from the inside out.

    There is only one History Book and one of future Prophecies that is and alway will be 100% correct, and that is the Holy Bible. Naysayers throughout history have (and always will) fail(ed) to prove the Word of God wrong. One day, we will all be able to look back and ask, “How could I/we/they have been so blind & misguided?”

    If we think Obama & Soros is bad & evil, just wait until the Anti-Christ comes into power. His reign is sooner upon us than we know. Prepare for “weeping & gnashing of teeth”!

    I know that there will be backlash toward God, Jesus Christ, The Holy Spirit, & (mere) me because of what I wrote in the last two paragraphs, but everything that has happened, is happening now, and will continue to happen is all chronicled in minute detail in the Holy Bible. Even if you are a non-believer, read it as you would a text or history book, and you will be astonished.

  28. Unless my degrees in a couple diciplines were a complete waste of money, mine, and profs time, for the life of me I must of been asleep for the last 50 years because I have seen nothing original in any of todays political actions by the OBama administration.
    Nor has there been any change in the actions by those of the percieved to be out of power party; That have been and still are no more than than “The Loyal Opposition”
    The process that changed US in peoples perceptions, yes perceptions, and no con job or lib blow job is the truth but two sides of a lie, for these changes are all built upon policys some of which are indeed 50 years in the making with Obama doing no more than advancing policy began before he started hanging out in Chicagos men’s bath and steam rooms.
    NOT the religious, or Black quackers who talked social movement bull shit of pulpit and relief from paday loan sharks.
    Who in the Chicago Machine, Congressional, then Partys kingmakers. Who chose Obama.
    Lots of talk about today as being more marxist or socialist , mainly by the egg nog crowd that mixrepub demigoguery in with political history that never was of the deep deep south.
    What , or rather “who” wrote the bills Obama signed Talk of military , today what exactly is the duty as igned to the Joint Chiefs and where does their command control end?
    THOIS MILITAY IS OF THE ORDERING UNDER BUSH WHEN VP and it was Al Gore who was the responsible one that began its reorganiztion that under Obama is in its final configuration for international and has yeet to completely ontegrate as began in Bush II reign.

  29. @ JiminGA (Comment #12). Hah, “…sort of a mulligan”. I am cracking up so hard at your last comment. Thanks, I needed the laugh. That one is right up there with, “Where’s that meteor when you need it?”

  30. @ Hide Behind (Comment #9). Your post was a bit hard to understand due to typos, but if I deciphered your meaning correctly, I sense a hint of sarcasm towards those that espouse Obama could do all the damage we claim. Allow me to assist you with by presenting you with a more comprehensive understanding of one man can in fact control the world.

    It strikes me as odd the disbelief one can have towards the change a single person is capable of; especially when they are the leader of the most powerful nation in the world. Hitler was one man and he managed to thrust the entire planet into a world war which permanently altered every country’s histories in ways we are still trying to understand.

    To help you truly comprehend the power Obama wields, consider that he is directly in charge of making policies which controls literally thousands of subordinate workers under him. By extension he controls hundreds of thousands of additional government employees across the Nation and overseas.

    One very simple example is our military. Obama can, and does, without any authorization from Congress, single handedly issue executive orders that overnight will literally alter the policies followed by over 2.5 million military personnel and an additional 800,000 civilian DoD employees that support military functions. Add to that the hundreds of thousands of contract workers and civilian services in and around the military employment sites and bases.

    When the lives of more than 3.3 million Americans are altered by a single Obama policy issued, it exponentially affects the lives of hundreds of millions more civilians worldwide. Take Obama’s decision to close even one military base. That affects the economy of an entire city and local prosperity due to the lost revenue. Hundreds if not thousand relocate to new cities for work which in-turn affects the economies and housing in those other cities. If a closure occurs in a third world nation it can mean the difference between life and death for the local population. All this is done by the signature of just one man. Imagine that.

    Now keep in mind this is just one of fifteen (15) more departments Obama directly controls. These departments consist of millions more federal and contract employees at his beck and call awaiting his every order. This includes his direct control over all enforcement and spy agencies in the U.S.; for example: the CIA, NSA, FBI, ATF, EPA, Secret Service, and Homeland Security (Border Patrol and Immigrations), just to name a few.

    Still not convinced? Consider that our government is made up of only three branches:

    1.) Legislative – Congress writes and passes the laws.

    2.) Judicial-Interprets any challenges to the laws.

    3.) Executive –Writes policy as to how federal employees will execute and enforce the laws upon the citizens.

    When you come to understand that Obama is the sole authority in charge of the entire Executive branch which is responsible for instituting and enforcing ALL laws upon ALL citizens, maybe then you will begin to understand his total power.

    Now consider the authority Obama has when he regularly overrides, reinterprets, and implements laws and policy in his own way to suit his personal agenda of ideals and without regard as to whether it conflicts with the will of the people or what Congress or the Constitution originally intended.

    The only recourse we or the Congress have is to take the issue to court. But that takes years and by then the damage of Obama’s policies have already taken affect. Besides, with his buddy Eric Holder running the DOJ and the Judicial Branch in his back pocket, one doesn’t stand a chance anyway. We tried it with ObamaCare and lost. Also keep in mind that Obama nominates the judges. Sure certain members of Congress try to thwart Obama’s nominations, but we only hold one house of Congress at the moment and half of them are looking the other way.

    So my friend, hopefully you (and others) now have a better understanding as to how Obama was able to single handedly and so rapidly set America on the path to Marxism. Our system is not perfect and we never expected the Office of the President to be abused in such a manner.

    We knew it could eventually happen and now it has. It would take someone with un-American values to have the gall to defy our Constitution and totally corrupt that office, and that someone was finally Barack Hussein Obama under the promise of hope and change.

  31. The citizens of the United States were given an intelligence test on November 6th, 2011. Fifty-two percent failed it. Now we’ll see if education can correct it. But I lose hope more and more each day.

  32. There has been a steady decline in use of lead on a yearly basis.
    One use of lead we know has been gone was in gasoline additives but for over 30 years more lead was used in production of platics as a stabilizer and lubricant in linear running plasticsvsuch as plastic window frames and copper wire coverings..
    I am sure Obama is the reason that plant los makets to Chinese Canadian African and Indonesian mining interest. Dr on’t know why but hell he gets the blame because he deserves it .
    As to the political philosophy of Obama this guy must be a god or something that his philosophy is carried out be his demon marxist communis black Islamic Mexican lovers; And no power in DC can thwart his will.
    Sim gle handily he changes the schools from podunk SC to boonies Oregon; That is when he s not instructing the BATF AndDHS, And the man must be a genious for he is winning.
    The workers at lead plant have good medical and the pills of toda keep the bloodstream and tisdues lead free except for the ones in brain holes .
    So we gonna buy all da ammo we can before the price it go much higher and nobody can buy ubless the be govment and we getting new jobs as socislist workers of da world.

  33. @ JiminGA (Comment #6). Kudos to you! Originally I was honestly going to write that Obama’s ultimate goal was to convert us into a Marxist state. But while considering that, I felt that more readers understood socialism over Marxism. I will never underestimate the vast intellect of the CTD reader again. Can you ever forgive me?

  34. To G-Man:
    I have only one suggested correction. Obama is not a socialist….he’s a marxist. A subtle distinction, I know, but marxism is only one step away from totalitarianism, whereas socialism is two steps away.

  35. @ JiminGA (Comment #2). Not so fast. Initially I felt that Obama’s EPA did this to strangle the ammo industry as well. But then I thought about why he would want to shut down an industry he so badly needs in order to push his beloved green energy policies on us.

    This same industry produces the lead that goes into the rechargeable batteries which run his precious electric cars and stores rooftop solar and wind power. So why then did Obama still direct his EPA to sign off on regulations that guaranteed the closure of America’s last lead smelter, along with hundreds of other lead recycling plants throughout our Nation?

    No sir, it was not to hurt the ammo industry, for there is a much larger and more sinister plot underway here. Follow me on this …

    We all know that Obama’s real mission is to wreck the economy into socialist submission right? To do this he must continuously increase our National debt and at the same time kill capitalism by regulating U.S. companies out of business. Unemployment will then continue to rise thus increasing more citizen dependency on government assistance which in-turn adds to the irreversible National debt (which is what he wants).

    Are you still with me so far? Ok, so the newest superpower, which is China, owns our debt but is not fully aware of Obama’s socialist conversion plans for our country, so naturally they’ve become increasingly worried about our inability to repay their debt loans. So Obama hatches a plan to appease the Chinese by shutting down our lead industry. What better way to settle them down than to make a back-door deal guaranteeing billions in exclusive export rights on the additional batteries that will be needed after his EPA forces us all to go green?

    Due to our astounding debt to China there are already documented instances where China has successfully dictated policy to the Obama administration; thus effectively making Obama nothing more than the governor of a large state (the U.S.) which is effectively owned and ruled by China.

    And what happens if we get out of line or can’t pay up? Why else do you think China has made military spending their top priority. China knows that no one has plans of attacking them, yet they increasingly spend billions more each year on invasion type military weaponry. Just as Guido collects a debt for the mob, I have no doubts China will do the same if we fail to pay or comply with their newfound super-status.

    Obama claiming his goal is energy independence is a lie. When all is said and done, Obama’s EPA will have successfully traded one energy dependency for another; meaning we will no longer depend on Arab nations for oil, we will instead depend on China and Mexico for the increase dependency created for batteries.

    So to recap: Obama wants us to convert to socialism. To do this he must wreck our economy and force as much unemployment as possible. This will indoctrinate and change the mental attitudes of younger citizens by giving no alternative but to solely depend on the government for their life sustaining sustenance. This is further accomplished by ridding the country of any form of capitalism and is achieved by directing his agencies to force the closure of companies through the over-regulation of taxation (IRS), medical requirements (ObamaCare), environmental rules (EPA), and other immigration, social and legal pursuits (DOJ). He will then convert or control the remaining core of necessary businesses into federally-run enterprises (TARP). The use of external influences such as China to assist and expedite us into socialism is included in his plan.

    To anyone that rejects my dissertation as just another crazy conspiracy theory, I ask that you consider this: All of these things have actually come to pass. There is no arguing that this is our current state of existence. So you can argue how we got here all you want, but it won’t change the reality one bit.

  36. If you haven’t noticed a greater percentage of ammo purchased is becoming lead free. The greater problem is lead is used in many other industries such as plumbing. I took a nice mule deer buck this year with a non lead bullet. Of course I don’t hunt with a muzzle loader.

  37. I fear the closing will have an effect on ammo supply and availability. If the majority of lead comes from battery recycling, and old batteries are replaced with new ones using that recycled lead, I fail to see much excess lead supply will be available for ammo. And imported lead must be more expensive than domestic supplies if for no other reason lead is HEAVY and it must be shipped longer distances. And if ammo makers increase foreign production of finished product the new UN Arms treaty that will be honored by some of those exporting nations could affect shipping to the US.

    I suspect the new EPA regs are really intended to affect ammo supply in a further attempt by the government to effect back door gun control.

  38. Shouldn’t the tighter National Ambient Air Quality Standards have forced Obama’s EPA to close down as well? I mean, there’s no filter on the planet that would cut down the emissions produced by their bullshit.

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