Concealed Carry

What I’ve Learned after Carrying a Glock 19 for 4,992 Hours

Glock 19 in an appendix carry holster

I’d estimate that I’ve got right around 5,000 hours of experience carrying a Glock 19, almost all of it in the appendix position. That’s an average of 8 hours a day, 4 days a week, for 3 years.

Glock 19 in an appendix carry holster
The G19 with Defoor tactical sights and a much-loved Raven Vanguard II holster.

I’m not former (or current) military. I’ve never been a police officer, and have no real interest in working in private security. I’m just an average person that carries a gun most of the time, and here’s the gear I use, and what I’ve learned along the way.

A Good Belt Makes the Difference

I have committed a tactical sin here… I use a regular belt. And by regular belt, I mean a regular belt that’s unusually stiff. It’s stiffer than many so-called “gun belts” that I’ve tried. I don’t remember where I bought it, but I know it was made in China (it says so, right on the back face).

It’s outlasted many other leather gun belts that I’ve owned. Normally, I find that the adjustment holes are the first thing to go on a belt, followed by the buckle attachment point. Everything on this one is still holding strong, after 3 years.

I can’t kill this stupid belt. It just works. I’m sorry.

Also, I found that carrying a gun and spare ammo in the appendix position is far more secure and comfortable with the belt buckle positioned at 10 or 11 o’clock, instead of on the body centerline. This presents a smooth, interruption-free surface for the gun stuff to ride on.

Spare Ammunition

Statistically, you’re never going to need more than the 16 rounds packed into your Glock 19. I’m a big believer in statistics, and don’t walk around under any delusions that I’m going to solve any major problem with a G19 while carrying four spare magazines. That being said, I do carry one spare mag… because of statistics.

Glock 19, brown leather gun belt and mag holder
It’s not a fancy rig, but it works amazingly well.

Guns jam. Even Glock pistols. It’s just a fact of life—if you shoot long enough, you’ll experience some type of weapon malfunction. And the vast majority of semiautomatic stoppages are ammo or magazine related. I minimize the first problem by carrying good self-defense rounds. The second is taken into account with a backup magazine.

So, I don’t carry a spare mag because I think I’ll need the extra ammo. I carry it because magazines are a common failure point, and I try to plan for common catastrophes. As a side note, it’s a 17-round magazine originally designed for the Glock 17. It’s no trouble to conceal, and gives me more ammo. What’s not to like?

Home-Brewed Magazine Pouch

I didn’t always carry spare ammunition. I just couldn’t find a good way to tote a spare mag while concealing a handgun in the appendix position. Then, one day it hit me.

Homemade magazine pouch
My homemade mag pouch with and without bicycle inner tube padding.

Looking down, I saw that the pistol created a small gap in my waistband, right along the top of the slide. It seemed like a great place to stow a magazine…but where to find a pouch? I didn’t have to look far.

I’ve made a handful of mag pouches from heavy Kydex sheeting (0.125 inch) available for some informal IDPA-style matches at my local gun club, and had a Safariland ELS belt full of them. Taking one off and flipping it 180 degrees into my waistband was a perfect solution to my spare-mag needs. I simply made a mirror image pouch so that the ammo would face the correct way for a weak-hand reload (to the right).

After a month or so of carrying spare ammo this way, I noticed that the gap at the bottom of the pouch would occasionally pinch me. I solved the problem with a short section of bicycle inner tube stretched around the mag pouch. As a bonus, this material proved to be very slip-resistant, and kept everything nicely in place.

Did I mention that it only cost a couple of bucks to make?

You Need a Good Holster

After careful consideration, I chose to carry with the Raven Vanguard II. This is anything but a traditional holster; rather than encapsulating the entire firearm, in seats around the trigger guard. A soft loop with a “pull-the-dot” snap button keeps everything secure.

It’s unbelievably thin—thinner than the gun, in fact—and is relatively inexpensive. Retention is strong enough to keep the pistol under control while running and jumping, but not strong enough to impede a quick draw.

It’s a great, comfortable and secure way to appendix carry a gun. But here’s the one bad thing about the Raven Vanguard II—you can’t quickly reholster. Well, I mean, you could, but then you’d be trying to clip a loaded handgun back into a tiny holster, while it’s pointed at some very important anatomy.

Raven Vanguard II snap holser and a Glock 19 pistol
The Raven Vanguard II simply snaps into place over the trigger guard.

Proper use of the Vanguard II dictates that you first remove the holster from your belt, install it on the pistol, then clip the whole thing back in place. In theory, you should be able to sheath your handgun quickly and safely, and with one hand. You may need your mitts for other tasks, while the presence of a threat still exists outside of your immediate vicinity.

I’m willing to sacrifice that capability in order to take advantage of the low profile and comfortable use that the Vanguard II provides. Everything is a trade-off in the end. It’s a carry holster, not a going-to-the-range-and-doing-tactical-drills holster.

Pros of the Raven Vanguard II

One thing that I really, really like about the Raven Vanguard II is the fact that I can load and unload the pistol while the trigger is still completely covered. Try that with a standard-style holster.

Raven Vanguard II holster on a Glock 19 pistol
The brass snap closure on the Vanguard II is black from the factory, but over time, the enamel finish wears off.

I firmly believe that dry firing should be a part of every serious shooter’s daily routine. There are far too many examples on how correctly dry firing improves your gun handling skills to ignore it as a training tool.

But, if you want to dry fire daily with a pistol that also happens to be your carry gun, you’re faced with having to load and unload that pistol…all the time. Mistakes happen. Increase the number of times that you perform a task—such as handling a loaded firearm—and the chances of a mishap occurring—negligent discharge—increase proportionally.

The fact that all basic administrative tasks can be performed with the trigger totally protected by the Raven Vanguard II is incredibly valuable to me.


I can’t think of a better general-purpose handgun than the Glock 19. Small enough to conceal, yet big enough to fight and compete with, it’s been my near-constant companion on many adventures. It’s been completely and naturally absorbed into my everyday carry kit over the months and years, and is no more noticeable to me than a set of keys or smartphone.

You learn a lot about what works and what doesn’t when you’ve had 30 ounces of steel strapped to your body for 3 years. And I’ve found a way that works for me.

How long have you carried a concealed handgun? Tell us about what you’ve found works (as well as what flat out doesn’t) in the comment section.

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Comments (50)

  1. I am really interested in this holster. I am looking at getting either a glock 19 or a glock 26 in the next few months and I think this holster would resolve some of my worries about concealment. I am very paranoid about printing or my shirt coming up slightly, showing a little bit of my gun. I was wondering though if you have had any issues with your front sight catching your waist band. I’ve seen a couple videos where that was really the only issue that concerned me. I also was wondering if you’ve had any problems with the grip texture rubbing you’re skin raw while wearing it all day. I love the concept of this holster, I just didn’t know how common these issues were.

    1. An update; Because I purchased the holster over a year ago I apparently forgot the original name and manufacturer. It is a Boraii Eagle pocket holster, not Bora ll or Bora lol as autocorrect listed it. Whoops!

  2. I’ve been carrying a G26 with a Clip Draw IWB at the 4 O’clock position for the last 10 years.
    I love it. It’s far less bulky than with any type of holster I have tried to date.
    However, that Raven Vanguard does look appealing and I may just give that a try.

  3. This is exactly my normal edc… i carry this way 90 percent of the time. In fact I can wear it tucked in with dress clothes as well and can be very quickly deployed. I work in personal security and this doesn’t leave my side. At the gym I carry in a fanny pack (go ahead and laugh but I won’t go anywhere without being prepaired) I need to find something similar to the vanguard ii that I can carry with my x300 mounted on it too though…

  4. I have not been able to imagine a scenario in which I would draw my weapon and have a need to quickly reholster it one handed.

    The author mentioned a threat outside your immediate vicinity. If there IS a threat, why would you reholster? If I draw and the threat still exists, I want my weapon in my hand.

    I’m not being critical, just asking for some education.

    1. In a crisis situation, when someone yells out “he’s got a gun”, chaos pursues. If you’re not ready to use your gun it’s best to reholstered as you may be thought of as the threat and shot at by police or another armed civilian.

      You may also be aiding someone that’s injured and only have one hand available to reholster.

      These are just a couple of scenarios.

    2. Another scenario is practice drills. It is best to practice with the equipment that you will actually use. With this style holster you are not going to be able to practice draw-fire-reholster-repeat type drills quickly and safely. I have seen the belt clip and holster portions of these separated, then reconnected by a short string. When drawn, the string pulls tight and pops the holster off, leaving it hanging from the belt loop. The holster can then be clipped back on easily and tucked back in. However the belt clip no longer helps secure the firearm in place. It serves solely to detach the holster upon draw when used this way.

  5. I’ve carried a Glock 19 for 5 years for my job as armed security and bodyguard work. I like the appendix carry if I’m never going to sit down. I have a rail rider attachment that allows me to Mexican carry there but it does not cover the trigger. I carry it in condition 3 and practice an Israeli draw. I did that for a while but now I use a combination of holsters depending on the weather and what I may be wearing.

    I use a shoulder holster when I am wearing a jacket or a suit because it is very comfortable and great for a driver. The pistol is in the right position for the driver to draw quickly. I also use a paddle OWB holster and go untucked. I also use a IWB holster at the small of the back.

    My three favorite ways to carry are with a shoulder bag, a custom elastic belly holster, and a custom covert drop leg holster.

    1.The bag is a UTG shoulder bag with a covert pocket. Its kind of a tactical man purse. Its great to carry anywhere and holds a blow out kit.

    2. I took 3″ elastic and sewed pockets for my Glock and my DB 380 and mags. It works great and is very comfortable but it is deep concealment and is not a quick draw.

    3. is a custom drop leg holster. I use an IWB clip attached to a nylon web strap that then is sewed to 3″ elastic that goes around my thigh and holds a simple sport holster. I use this with cargo shorts or with cargo pants. Lift the shorts leg and you have quick access. The cargo pants need a modification which is just to slice an access inside the pocket. Hope this gives you some ideas.

    1. @Rafterman

      Great comment.

      It is evident from the things you bring up that you have been there. That’s so refreshing on these blogs.

      Guys who gained all their opinions and “experience” as private individuals who got their training from DVDS and magazines don’t understand that you do what you need to do in order to accomplish the mission. I have done security that ranged from full-on OCONUS PSD at events in Afghanistan and Iraq that had ambassadors attending and where you were in full kit in Lvl 4 armor, M4s and drop leg holsters, to coverts with whatever weapon you could successfully carry while wearing whatever fit in at the event. I even learned how to conceal an MP5 under my jacket.

      My preferred EDC is a G21, but there are days when I have to carry a PF9 and even a P32. You do what you have to do.

    2. Because if we’re civilians we can’t possibly have a dog in the show. We are all meaningless tools in the world who are at the mercy and require the approval of people who have “been there”.

      Please validate me! Pleeeeeeese!

    3. @Dan the Man

      Not what I’m saying at all, and sorry you were so easily offended. I don’t look down on anybody. But there are a lot of keyboard ninjas out there who really haven’t got a clue what they’re doing. If you don’t fit into that category, then obviously I wasn’t referring to you.

      Plenty of people work hard to gain the training and experience to be effective with their equipment even though they have never been in the military, law enforcement or private security. There are a lot of great schools and courses out there, and many people have done very well learning how to move, shoot and survive in life and death scenarios.

      No one made an attack on you but you certainly seemed to take it very personally and seemed to get offended pretty easily, so I will simply paraphrase the great Mae West when she said people who are offended easily should be offended more often.

  6. My EDC here in SW Florida is a tiny KelTec P3-AT (.380) in an inexpensive Uncle Mikes IWB holster on a good leather belt, appendix carry position. I normally cover it with just a regular t-shirt. It’s very light, comfortable and easily accessible….even when driving, if I first release the seatbelt. I do just as the author suggests….slip the belt so the buckle is at 11:00 position and the holster clip is at 1:00.

    If I’m going to be in what I feel is more hostile territory, I switch to a KelTec PF-9 (9mm) or my XDs .45 in Nate squared IWB holsters, which are also very comfortable in appendix carry. They have a nice soft flap which totally covers the gun against your skin and protects the gun from perspiration.

    1. @Oldawg

      I carry a PF9 as my BUG, and occasionally as my primary if I’m in a very non-permissive carry environment. It fits well into a Sneaky Pete cell phone holster. People seem to dis Kel Tecs, but I have several and they all work great.

      My normal EDC is either an XD45 or Glock 21. I like the Glock better because (for me) it’s more accurate. I have a great under-the-steering-column holster for driving that keeps my EDC ready for immediate use if the need arises.

  7. I found a cheap (dollar wise, not quality or weight) $13 Wrangler belt awhile back. Going on 3 years now and it’s awesome for carrying. Thick, hasn’t pulled or excessively stretched either of the two holes that I use. (5th for IWB Crossbreed, 6th for OWB Desantis.)

    I wish I had bought more of them and wish they had other colors! Some of the purpose made gun belts are great looking but way too expensive.

  8. I started carrying when I got my ccw in late 1991 and have carried nearly every day since. Hot weather carry is a 380 bodyguard in the hip pocket with a piece of light cardboard behind it so it doesn’t print. Low tech, but it works. My preferred carry if the weather is cooler or I can wear a long tailed shirt is either a Colt New Agent , in 9mm,,that went through the Colt shop for Talo, no trench site, they put XS tritium sights, the lollipop on a stick style, or a 45 Ultra Carry Kimber that has the same XS sights. Both guns have the slim grips. The Colt is all steel while the Kimber has an alloy frame so they both weigh about the same. Both have 3 inch barrells. Either one fits in a leather holster that an Amish saddlemaker made using a cheap Mexican holster for a full size 1911 I picked up at a gun show for a pattern. He made a few changes so it rides with the FBI forward cant and hugs my hip tight and has a strap with a snap that goes between the hammer and slide. My weapon is NOT coming out unless I want it out of the holster. I first used a nice handboned leather holster and found that after time they stretch out, I also have a kydex holster for a full-size 1911, works great, feels like crap, I’m not a big fan of tupperware holsters, besides trying to hide a full-size 1911 is not my idea of fun. I carry condition one, locked and loaded and no extra mag. If 8 isn’t enough I guess I’m just sol. It’s old school, but that’ the way I roll.

  9. Nice solution, now some one will market it. You should have changed profile and called inner tube a “advanced aerospace derived anti slip, retention material device” and patented it.

  10. Glock 19 gen 4 in black belly band 5 years now. best option I’ve found u can wear it in any position no belt needed weight of gun is supported by belly band not your belt or pants works with gym shorts sweat pants anything no belt required I love it plus it has place for spare mag if wanted or needed I really like the belly band the original

  11. I’ve been carrying since 1991, full time since 1997 or so. I started out with a PT-92, actually. Then an XD9, which I love. Currently using a PPQ for winter carry. In summer, usually a Kel-Tec PF9 if I’m wearing shorts.

    For me, appendix carry feels unsafe. I carry OWB and my Don Hume holster is so comfortable that I almost forget I’m carrying. Galco also makes very comfortable leather for the PPQ.

    I’ve never needed it but I’ve always appreciated the option if things go bad. Typically my best defense is my feet, I avoid places where I might need a sidearm. So far, so good.

  12. I have been carrying off and on since I got my first permit at 18.
    Its now been 27years and I have learned a couple things.
    I am not prior or current LEO. I am prior military but AF so no real firearms use.
    Its of my own learning.
    I carry (most of the time) a Berretta m84 (380 13+1).
    I carry that in a Uncle Mikes Pancake holster Sidekick 16. Its so old that the number used is no longer in use (they changed their sizing system).
    I have used that holster for both the Berretta and a 1911. fits both very well.
    I carry on the right hip.
    I have used a normal belt in the past but now use a Blackhawk instructor gun belt. I use this exclusively since the buckle doesn’t rip apart the belt material in 2 years.

    One thing that I do for comfort is thread the belt in the first loop on the holster then the side belt loop on my pants and then the second loop on the holster. This not only serves as a means to keep my pants up (I won’t do the skip a loop thing) but I can move the holster off the hip slightly forward or to the rear.
    Sometimes while driving,the pistol gets in the way of the seatbelt or doesn’t feel good, so I can move it a little forward to relieve that feeling.

    I don’t carry like this in warm weather because this holster is a cool weather holster, meaning that you need a flowing shirt or light jacket to cover the imprint.
    In warm weather I carry a Glock 27 with one of the spring clips mounted on it in the appendix position but without a rd loaded.

  13. My carry Glock 19 was a Gen 3, then a few years ago, when they first came out, turned to a GlockGen4, major problems!

    When it finally had the right Main Spring, and a new ejector. I had got a burn from an ejected case. My Registered letter to Austria… Begot me a wee gift, 6 Glock 17 new magazines (use G17 mag’s in IDPA) thank you Gaston.

    I carry at just past 3 o’clock, in a holster I got as a gift? Forgot from who, no manufacturing marks on it, straight up and down, thick Kydex, 1 3/4″ loops, I inserted plugs to make it 1 1/2″ for my frequent flyer belt, perfect.

    The pistol, tricked out, TruGlo fiber optic sights, fantastic, 4lb trigger, butt plug, Glock extended slide release (remember when Glock said foul to them? Then started making their own!) The mag release bit into my second finger, folding Benchmade, sliced corner off!

    I too carry a Glock 17 spare mag, in a Glock factory pouch, cheap, works. Next to a Surefire flash light. Ammo Win Ranger 147g non plus P.

  14. Thank you CTD blogger for a little down to earth carry experience and advice. I do get tired of all the Uber-Tactical articles and carry gear. Those I skip over, I’m not a cop, I don’t live in Chicago, so I don’t need to dress all “Swat & stuff”. Good article.

  15. I carry a Glock 19 in an Alien Gear holster at approx. the 4:00 position most of the time. I rte ally like the Alien Gear. It is very comfortable for me, holds my gun secure, keeping the grip pressed firmly into my back without being uncomfortable. Some people complain about its comfort, maybe it’s how I wear it, I’m not sure. Ain’t it nice that they make so many different holsters sometimes use an UnderTech undershirt, similar to the 5.11 shirts. I’m not sure about the shirts. They conceal nicely, but I find myself pulling on it a bit. That’s a tell, and I don’t like that about it. It is also very hard to re-holster. I also have a Glock 26 that I sometimes carry instead of the 19. It will fit in the Alien Gear just fine. I also sometimes use a Bladetech IWB holster for it. It works ok, but I find that with the Bladetech, when I set on a toilet the holster flops out of my waist bade and hits the floor. I don’t like that. Maybe a better belt would help there. I also, almost always carry a Ruger LCP in my front pants pocket in a modified cheap GunMate holster. That has worked quite well so far. I think I’m giving up on cargo pants. I like the utility of them, but I do think they draw a bit more attention than jeans or a regular slack. I try to look like everyone and not draw any attention to myself. No shirts with logos or witty sayings, Just plain Joe.

  16. tr, i am sure EVERYONE is as impressed as I with your anatomy knowledge. Except that the guy asked a perfectly sane question, yet you felt the need to condescend. Grow up. Someone wrote that you’d shoot yourself in the appendix carrying in this position. Hardly…farther south.

    The ONLY relevant issues when carrying a firearm are 1. What is safe AND 2. Understanding #1 is always in play, how can you comfortably carry while being able to quickly access for defense.

    1. Say there T bradshaw, I guess you’re the QB, LOL!!! I was just telling what appendix carry is. They asked, I told in a simple way! Seems that since you seem to be a know all tell all, you should be America’s firearm MASTER!!! My first blog, I answer a simple question, and BAM, a-hole comeback. As I said, first and last. People that sit at a keyboard and act as if they are a higher power, or God himself, just make me….well I’m done. Thanks.

    2. TR – You give up awful easy. Hope you don’t ever get into a situation where you need to use that gun!

    3. No B Toliver…just don’t like a$$holes….and bet, I will use whatever I need to for whatever I need to. Again, I just don’t like a holes and don’t need b.s. from Internet know it alls!!! And what the hell does it have to do with using my gun? Geez SMDH!!!

  17. I have carried a Glock 21sf for the last 2 years in an Alien Gear Cloak Tuck 2.0. Even though the Glock is a little heavy, it is nice to have the full size and and .45acp. The Alien Gear holster I really like over several of the others I have tried. It is at the 3 o’clock position and like others have stated, I carry from the time I put my pants on in the morning until I take them off at night. A good belt is a must too and I use an NRA web tactical belt with my jeans and carry an extra magazine in a Glock single magazine carrier in case there is a problem with the mag in the gun. Just my two cents and good luck to everyone with ever what you carry and may you never have to unholster.

  18. Could you please explain the term “appendix carry”? I have never heard that term before and have no idea what it means.

    1. @battleborn

      Appendix carry is generally IWB carry at the 2 o-clock position at the front of your body. The term comes from the gun being right where your appendix is.

      It makes for a faster draw for many people, but it also places the muzzle of your own gun right in line with your femoral artery in your leg in the event of an ND. There was a news story a couple of months ago about a guy dying because he messed up a re-holster at appendix carry and severed his pwn artery, bleeding to death.

      Not saying it’s bad, just laying out the facts. Everyone has to decide what’s best for themselves. I carry IWB at the 3 – 4 o-clock position.

    2. Appendix carry is just what it says. You weapon is carried on your strong side just towards your front, just about the position where your “appendix” reside.

    3. Appendix carry is the term used when you carry your handgun just to the right of center on your body. In other words if the gun goes off you will shoot yourself in the your appendix. Myself I find this to be the most comfortable position to carry and the most accessible to my weapon. I have tried different positions but this is the best for me. I have found that the Blackhawk inside-the-waistband holster to be the most comfortable for this type of carry and it comes in a model to fit most guns.

    4. I always thought the issue with this carry is more that your much more likely to hit your femoral artery and bleed out if you have a negligent discharge.

  19. Seems like finish issues might be problematic with that carry option at least in my environment–honestly I’m a bit too pressed for time to have to worry about issues of rust though I keep it tip-top internally realizes the potential adverse consequences of otherwise. For example, I keep a Beretta 21A BUG in my front pocket in a cheap Viridian holster and I was quite surprised the other day at the amount of slide rust I had to deal with. But yeah, the article spells out a an option that works for him and invariably there will be those that think he’s “underarmed” and those that think he’s being “paranoid” with the extra 17 rounder…Myself, I carry an extra mag for my Glock 26 and as I mentioned a BUG in .22lr which I need to upgrade it’s just I do not have any .380 anywhere in my modest collection of stuff and frankly didn’t want pursuing yet another caliber (however, it’s Black Friday this month so who knows…?). In the spirit of November I am going to give an “early” shout out for the Holidays–Happy Holidays!

  20. Curious what other holsters you tried before you settled on the Raven Vanguard 2? Or did you just start with that and stay with that?

  21. I carry from the moment I get out of bed until I get back in bed to go to sleep. Everyday without fail. My EDC is the same as my wallet, watch, pocket knife, lighter, etc. purchased my Glock 32 ( .357 sig with 4.01 inch barrel) in 2008. I have only purchased ONE holster, which I love how it holds my weapon. Galco IWB, all leather, I sometimes even reach back to see if it is there! Just guessing based on the OP comment of 5000 hours in 3 years, that makes me about 40,000 hours at conservative estimates. I carry my one spare mag most times, but I just put it in my left rear pocket, as my wallet is in my right rear pocket. Sometimes it hurts when sitting on wooden chairs, but usually I just slide it to the outer portion as not to directly hit my arse bone to say it nicely. My Glock never ever has jammed. Never. Got about 30,000 rounds through it and she is still kicking. I handload, as of recently, and occasionally have a load that is hard to chamber due to slight “crushing” the shoulder during inserting and crimping the bullet. Anyways, thanks for reading my “novel”. Oh, and here in Tennessee, I can use it for hunting as long as I use hollow points.147 grain Hornady XTP will take any game, including Elk. Peace.

    1. Giving people the idea that it is OK to shoot elk with a .357 Sig is extremely irresponsible. I’ve taught my daughters about ethical hunting, perhaps, your father didn’t teach you. If you need guidance, my girls can teach you how to shoot, and more importantly…when to shoot.

    2. I didn’t say I went hunting elk with my Glock, but if Needed , it sure could get the job done. Some rounds, especially handloads, are much capable. Of course, if I were to choose a weapon to hunt elk, it wouldn’t be a .357! But a 147 grain hollow point bullet is very capable. And I surely don’t need advice on hunting. Sounds as if you want to make a mountain from a mole hill. My choice for all big game is my 7mm Remington Magnum. Is that “ethical” enough for you? Ok folks, please don’t use a .357 cartridge to hunt with. Even with 600ft/lbs of energy, you just can’t get it done. Satisfied? I do NOT RECOMMEND it( I didn’t in the first place) it for elk. But it surely would if your life depends on it. It would also take bear, mountain lions, any deer at APPROPRIATE range. Peace again.

    3. Why? The cartridge is perfectly capable of taking big game with proper shot placement, which is necessary for big game regardless of the chambering of the weapon. In a survival situation, the .357 Sig would be a good choice.

      BTW, he was, obviously, kidding. There are no elk in Tennessee, although there are some decent sized white tail.

      Get off of your soapbox.

  22. Have you compared this arrangement to the Versacarry IWB and mag carriers? They have virtually no profile too

  23. Nice article! There are so many ways to carry! This method may be common, but it is the first time I’ve run across anyone carrying in this fashion. I would like to carry this way, I think, but after losing my thyroid, weight is something I just can’t get off, so until I find what works, I don’t see this carry method working for me. I’m going to guess that the author is not a heavy person.

    Because of my weight I’ve had to move to another carry method – For the last 3 years I’ve carried a Beretta Nano in a Sneaky Pete. This is a terrific way to carry that draws virtually zero attention and works very well, IMHO.

    Prior to that, I carried a Glock 30 in an IWB holster with double belt clips for about 3 years. My only real complaint about the Glock is weight. Loaded up with 10+1 rounds of 45 ACP, it can pull your pants off! I recently bought a Sneaky Pete for it, but the increased size and weight make it kind of impractical. It is significantly bigger than the one for the Nano (duh). Also, I can’t wear it while sitting in my car seat and taking it off and putting it back on can be a bit of a chore as the metal spring clips are really tight – probably a good thing for retention, but not so good for removal and replacement quickly.

    I’ve tried using an on-gun spring steel clip, but quickly decided that was not a good solution, particularly since I want to carry with one in the tube, and you just can’t do that if you aren’t guarding the trigger.

    One other option I tried recently was one of the 5.11 Tactical holster T-Shirts. I really like the concept and it does work, but again, my size gets in the way as the gun tends to print on the top shirt whether it’s a dress shirt or a pull over. However, they make the shirt in both white and black and with dark colored patterned outer shirts the printing is much less obvious. I really like that you can carry your firearm on one side and spare mag on the other. It’s very comfortable since the weight is carried on your shoulders instead of on your waist. It’s a good option when I’m dressing a bit more formally with a suit coat as it keeps the gun hidden and comfortable and if I want to take my suit coat off, I can. It has some of the advantages of the shoulder holster (and it’s disadvantages) without the visibility.

    Thanks again for a very good article!

    1. @Doug

      First, let me compliment you on the fact that after a life-changing event such as a major thyroid problem, you adjusted your methods to continue carrying. An article in the October issue of Concealed Carry estimated that approximately 6% of all Americans have concealed carry permits, but maybe only 10% of those actually carry regularly. That just makes no sense to me. I always carry, even in my house or outside mowing the lawn.

      The Sneaky Pete is a great method. I have one for my PF9 for days I have to wear clothes that make an IWB holster for my G21 impractical. The 5-11 shirts are great too. The 5-11 Covert Carry shirts might be a good solution to the printing issue since they have an extra liner designed specifically to help prevent printing, as well as quick open access points that use Velcro on the sides and snaps under fake buttons on the front.

  24. Fun article.

    My EDC is my G21, and I love this gun. A .45 with 13+1. I carry an extra mag, but since I generally wear some version of 5-11 covert pants that have built in mag packets, I don’t worry much about a mag carrier. Still, his idea has merit.

    I may actually look into the Raven Vanguard holster, although I have no complaints with my Crossbreed IWB, and only a few with my Alien Gear IWB. The Cross breed is definitely superior with better backing and coverage between the gun and my skin, and no pinching vs pinching with the AG, depending on how I wear it. I don’t so appendix carry, and the Crossbreed can sit comfortably on my hip, but the AG has to sit back further to be comfortable. But they both work fine and allow me to draw and holster quickly.

    There have been several blogs on various sites lately about preferred carry guns, usually 1911 vs Glock for some unfathomable reason, so I guess I can’t end this comment without pointing out one of the biggest concerns people have about Glock is the lack of an external safety. Well, I’ve carried a Glock since 2003, and this guy has carried one for years, and apparently we’ve both managed not to shoot ourselves yet.

    So, carry what you are most comfortable and proficient with, but please quit lecturing everyone else on why the gun they carry is wrong.

    1. As a retired LEO I have carried a 1911 all my life both open and concealed. I tried a Glock 21 for a while. After much practice it just was not for me. You need to carry what you are most familiar with and what you like most. I like a 45 so that if I have to use it, it will do the job. But there is no one gun above another. There are good and bad but most important is the gun is that you feel comfortable and have faith in yourself and your weapon. That is most important!

  25. Like the belt. It looks similar to mine. Purchased mine at Walmart, because of the thickness and width. The preferred belt is a leather no buckle belt made for law enforcement. It goes on uniform pants and under the gun belt. I wear holsters that I am use to. Like a bulldog slide and IWB gunmate.

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