Gun Store Employees Trade Gunfire With Fleeing Men. Was It Legal?

James Hillin, owner of Full Armor Firearms,

Perhaps you heard what recently happened to our friends at Full Armor Firearms in Houston. After 13 burglaries in five years, including one earlier this month, owner James Hillin asked two of his employees to stay overnight in the store. During the night, two cars pulled into the parking lot. According to the Houston Chronicle, when the Full Armor workers stepped outside with their weapons, one of the five men, who was standing near the employees’ cars, shot at them. The employees were not injured, and gunfire was exchanged as the men drove away. You can read the whole story, including an interview with owner James Hillin, the criminal backgrounds of the men who were detained, and the likelihood of the case being presented to a grand jury here.

James Hillin, owner of Full Armor Firearms,
James Hillin, owner of Full Armor Firearms, knows it is “my responsibility to make sure we are doing the right thing” when it comes to selling guns. Photo: Jon Shapley, Houston Chronicle Staff

We asked Michele Byington, an attorney at the law firm of Walker & Byington, PLLC, and independent program attorney for Texas Law Shield, for her opinion on the situation and she says the employees were acting legally.

“Here in Texas, both burglary and theft during the night time are considered crimes against which a person may use deadly force. In fact, displaying a firearm to cause apprehension that you will use it if necessary, is considered force, rather than deadly force. So the employees, even though they potentially could have used deadly force, were just using force to stop this situation when they displayed their AR-15s.” She went on to explain that, while there are very few circumstances where you can shoot a person who is fleeing (and even then, she added, it will be an uphill battle with a jury), the fact that the criminals shot at the employees while running away, justified the return fire by the employees.

“Any time a person has a reasonable belief they are in immediate danger of death or serious bodily injury, they may use deadly force to defend themselves. And someone shooting at you definitely qualifies for that!” Ultimately, Michele stated, the gun store employees acted well within the confines of the law.

Do you know the laws in your state? How would you have handled a similar situation? Share your answers in the comment section.

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Comments (118)

  1. The Japanese guy that knocked on the door and was killed based on a trigger happy homeowner. The homeowner should have been prosecuted for criminal negligence at the very least to send a message to the public that you can’t just shoot someone at your front door.

  2. Texas also has the 3 strikes law for violent crimes, kidnapping, sexual assaults…..if the criminals can make it to strike 3. Alot of the time they get dealt with before that

  3. Well lets see. Texas was kind enough to take in 250,000 refugees from Louisiana. Yalls college and professional football teams. homicide rate in houston increase by 17% by the end of 05. In the first 19days after La ppl started coming to tx there were already 229 arrested for violet crimes in houston. In the 19th district which is made of of mostly Katrina the homicide rate went up 23.6%. So let me know when texans going over to Louisiana make ur murder rate climb 17%. Oh no thats the amount we make ur economy climb gambling in ur state

  4. Well sounds to me like virgina is the prime place for thieves to be. Since 1. They can break into cars and not have to worry about owner doing anything. 2. With the average police response time the thieves have plenty of time take what they want…hell even ur vehicle. Texas on the other hand is not a thieves paradise. With the castle doctrine the next door neighbor could kill the thief for breaking into ur car. Texas has some of the toughest laws and consequences for criminals. The criminal trash that came here from Louisiana when katrina hit found that out really quick like. I feel sorry for anyone who has to watch ppl take their stuff and their states laws force them to do so. Sure am glad i live in tx. The we don’t put up with bullspit state!

    1. How many criminals from Louisiana were arrested in Texas? We have here much more trash criminals coming from Texas to Louisiana and they dumb as a rock..

    2. You pretty much nailed it. From what I’ve read, it’s like that in most states. About 20+ years ago Virginia passed a NRA-sponsored program called Crime Strike, and applied the Three-Strikes-You’re-Out law that would put away criminals for life if they got convicted of a third felony. It worked like a charm.

      Be safe, and raise a glass to Jeff Sessions, the new Attorney General!!

  5. Ur dinner sounds off the chain! To correct u i said anybody who is not willing to defend what is theirs from somebody else stealing it, is a coward. In life u have predators and prey. Who do u want to be? Its that simple! As far as old sayings go i would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. Tactically speaking it is rather dumb to wait for 5 guys to make it into close quarters with u, even when u have the element of surprise. U have the same element of surprise right before u confront them outside. Except outside in the parking lot u got the advantage of distance between u and criminals on ur side too. Especially when its rifles vs pistol.

    1. I remember seeing in the news many years ago a story about a Japanese high school exchange student who was killed by a Texas home owner when the student walked across the lawn to knock on the door for Halloween trick-or-treating. The home owner was not prosecuted. You, my friend, have been conditioned by liberal self-defense laws that say it’s perfectly fine to go outside with a gun and confront and/or shoot people, without first calling the police, if you merely BELIEVE they are a threat to you without any evidence to back it up. If you were to do that in Virginia, you wouldn’t see the light of day for many years because YOU would be considered the aggressor! They could say they shot at you in self-defense because they saw you and your friends come outside and point guns at them.

      There is a difference between “not willing to defend” and “choosing to wait.” That does not make me a coward, nor does it make me prey; believe me, I know how to set up a kill zone where 6 or 7 armed thugs who bust into my place of business wouldn’t stand a chance. It’s just that we have different strategies for the same outcome, based on factors that are different for each of us.

      Texas history has repeatedly and reliably shown that the 12 will let Texans off the hook. Anywhere else, it’s not that way. I would rather take my chances with being carried by 6 (I’m heavily insured) because 1) if I get killed the insurance will leave my wife and kids comfortable, and 2) I don’t trust the jury to let me off the hook. If I go to prison my family will become destitute without my financial support. All because of being too eager to “start” a gun fight when I could have just stayed inside and waited for them – nice and legal.

      Like I said. We all have ROE. It’s for each of us to decide whether or not to follow them; if we choose not to, then we must be prepared to face the legal consequences. That’s not cowardly, just pragmatic.

    2. YOU sir, are the epitome of what is wrong with America. YOU are yet another that passes judgement with only knowing a portion of a story. No, the story YOU read is not everything. YOU have made yourself look foolish many times in your comment.

      Foolish rambling #1 &2: you compared defending my property to that of the senseless murder of a child by an angry man. By doing this and comments later you lumped all actions in Texas into the same category. I understand you hate everything that isn’t you, but I was 100% in my legal and God given right by walking out the door armed to tell people to leave my property when they are trespassing. Don’t compare my actions to you hiding behind the curtain.

      Foolish point # 3: you telling me what I believe and that I have no evidence to support it. These thugs were watched trying to break into my truck and my coworker’s truck. This is when we decided to chase them off property. I know you said you prefer to wait until that come inside (and that’s perfectly fine for you), but we aren’t as rich as you and can’t afford the premiums to go through the roof for filing. I chose to use my legal right to stop it before it happens.

      Foolish point #4: liberal gun laws don’t tell me to go outside to protect. Liberal gun laws are the tyrannical laws you live under that say you have to hide and hope the police can help you when they get done with the murder case that the criminals now breaking into you house commited an hour ago. Conservative gun laws tell me I am allowed to go out on my property and defend it with my firearm.

      Foolish point #5: you assume the police are going to be able to help you. The average US response time for police to arrive on location is 23 minutes. Good luck with that.

      Foolish point #6: if someone says they shot at me out of self defense, on my property, in the middle of the night, while trying to break in knowing they are all felons and gang affiliated, then not call the police when they run and hide the car for two days, let them. I’ll take my chances.

      I’m sure I could go on, but I’ll let you off the rest for now. I would have let this all go, but when you tell me about what I believe and how I’m conditioned and how I was wrong in this case without knowing anymore than what you read, I will happily drop it all on you.

      If you want to make sensible comments about what you know and NOT compare me to a child murderer all while knowing very little, by all means we can converse. Other than that, please put your Texas law degree back in the box of Froot Loops and throw it away.

    3. Oh my God..

      Are you serious, “A guy”?

      I traded insults with Brian a while back, and it wasn’t fun and it wasn’t pretty, and it tired me out.

      First, I never said a single thing about whether the actions that you and your co-worker had taken were right or wrong. I merely pointed out “what I would have done” considering “my own state’s law.”

      I know there is much more to the story than what the article told us; it didn’t say anything about who was on who’s property or anything like that. Once again, I only related what I would have done based on what the story told me, and the reasons why.

      Second, technically speaking that “angry man” is not a murderer because a Texas jury decided that he shot the kid in self defense. I did not compare you to him, I only illustrated that Texas is more lenient.

      To your “Foolish Point #3”: 1. One more time, s-l-o-w-l-y: The story didn’t tell us everything. 2. I am not rich, just heavily insured personally because I’m always going to the wars. If I get killed during the course of violating VIRGINIA law while in VIRGINIA, my income is lost AND insurance won’t pay; where does that leave my family? If I go to jail and lose my income, where does that leave my family?

      To your “Foolish Point #4”: You are confusing “liberal” regarding laws and policies with “liberal” regarding politicians and activists.

      “Liberal” laws and policies allow you to have more leeway, while “liberal” politicians and activists want to force you to conform to their ideas of how things should be.

      To your “Foolish Point #5”: If I call the police, I am not assuming anything. I am just checking off a box to protect myself legally. Average response time does not mean anything in a practical sense, it’s only a statistical analysis. Where I live, response time is usually under ten minutes, often within 5 – but I’m sure we both agree that even 1 minute can mean the difference between life and death.

      Oh my God this is getting tiresome!

      To you “Foolish Point #6”: 1) the story only said they were “standing near the employees’ cars” and never said anything about the particulars you describe. The story never said they were in the act of breaking into your establishment.

      And yes, you are conditioned to act within what you know about Texas law, being a Texas resident, and I do likewise, being a Virginia resident. The only one hating anybody is you, bub. I never said you were wrong. Go back and re-read what I have written.

      Now. Three Cheers and a raised glass to Jeff Sessions, the new Attorney General!

  6. Im pretty sure our military isnt training the troops to “run and hide” till the enemy up and leaves. Just fyi. Ask a lot of the military personnel and they will tell u the ROE are bullspit. Having to be shot at 1st in order to engage target in a war zone is retarded. Seeing as how the state of texas is one of the states that contributes the most ppl to the military. No the military arent cowards and i never said they were. As texans have proven time and time again. Ever heard of Audie Murphy? U know one of the most decorated soldiers ever, thats from Texas. Maybe u have heard of Chris Kyle as well, a Texan. Like clockwork u have proven your just a person who cant handle the blunt truth. U can call me what ever names u want just dont call me late for dinner!

    1. Well, dinner is grilled catfish, a cherry-smoked whole chicken, potato salad, corn on the cob, and sourdough biscuits. You better hurry.

      You are correct that our military does not train our troops to run and hide till the enemy “up and leaves,” but they DO have to wait until they are fired upon FIRST. And in many cases they have to call higher authority for permission to engage! That does not make them cowards, only victims of a stupid ROE that considers the health and welfare of the enemy before our own guys – a concept that is not very different from what most of us around the US are faced with.

      We both agree that the ROE are “retarded” but that is the world we live in – not so much the people from Texas, but I don’t think you want us all to move to Texas.

      Remember when Col. Alan West fired his pistol to get an Iraqi to spill the beans on where an ambush was waiting for his men? There was indeed an ambush and they were able to bust it and save many American lives due to the information Col. West was able to get. BUT, he got fired and had to resign from the military and almost went to jail – for NOT following the rules.

      Our military personnel are definitely heroes, but you clearly said that anybody who follows their state law by NOT engaging with criminals before calling police or waiting until their lives are in imminent danger are cowards. I was using the military as an example to illustrate that it just isn’t so. We all have ROE we have to follow, or pay the consequences.

      Please keep in mind the old saying “Discretion is the better part of valor” when I say this, again:

      I would rather call the police and find a good place inside my house to ambush an intruder if the police don’t show up in time than to skip the call to the police and instead go outside and shoot somebody, and then spend the rest of my useful life in prison. A lot of good that would do my family.

  7. @ Nobody In Particular

    Back in 1989, I was a Bonded Courier working for a Law and Real Estate office in Northern Virginia. My last call was to deliver some Real Estate Documents to a Nice Neighborhood with “Virtually” Nonexistent Crime, Until I got to the House of the Delivery. The “Son” was Having his 18th Birthday with Friends on a Friday Evening with both Parents Gone to a party. As I got to the door, the Son opened the door with a Loaded S&W .357 Magnum and Stuck it in My Face at Point Blank Range. I could easily see the Hollow-Points in the Cylinder. The SON and his Friends, thought the Act was the Funniest Thing In the World,and were trying to Gauge My Reaction. I could have Easily have Gone Back to My Car and have Gotten my M1911A1 and Blown Out the Brains of the “Son-of-a’Bitch”, But Didn’t. Instead I Had Him Arrested, in Front of His Friends and Neighbors. And Spend a Long Weekend in Jail. The Parents ONLY Concern was the Future of the Son’s College Education, and NOT the Fact that Their “Precious Little Son” was NOT Going to Go To College, or Go to Prison for Killing Me. He got of Light with a 2-year Probation and BANNED from Every High Education System in the Country. I hope the “SOB” is STILL “Flipping Burgers” Somewhere. Sorry for ANY Grammical Errors, Eyesight isn’t as Great as it use to be…

  8. Please john inform me what im jumping to conclusions about? Ppl not willing to defend whats theirs? Yep thats a coward. Im from houston tx commenting about something that happened in houston tx. I know my states laws. I really dont give a crap about any others states laws seeing has how this happened in tx. If it happened in Ohio, Virginia, cali, etc… i wouldnt even comment on post talkin about my states laws cuz they are irrelevant. If yall other ppl dont wanna man up and take care of yalls own problems thats fine. Yall can go run and hide and let someone deal with it who will man up (the police) while u try and make urself sound better with the im concealing myself and waiting for them to leave or make it inside my safe place. Thats retarded cuz if ur scared to do death when they are in the parking lot then for sure ur gonna be scared spitless to even move when they are all up inside ur place where ur concealing urself aka hiding with nowhere to retreat to for cover. U think they are gonna let u go when they find u hiding? Nope they are gonna kill u cuz ur a witness. I’m a blunt person no sugar coating here. Sorry if ur feelings cant handle someone being real. Not my problem

    1. First of all, LEARN TO READ.


      I agree with Jenn – you are a dipsh1t. People are providing their comments in the context of THEIR OWN STATES’ LAWS, in response to the question asked at the end of the article. If you don’t like their comments, then stop reading them.

      Tactics are like a$$holes – everybody has one and they all work to some extent, but when it comes to civil and criminal liability people have to conform to their own states’ laws or THEY GO TO JAIL!!! If I live in a state OTHER THAN TEXAS, how would it serve my family if I went to jail for 20+ years because I was a trigger-happy fool who, instead of calling the police and waiting until I thought my life was in imminent danger, went outside and traded gunfire with some people who I thought were breaking into cars??? I guess you think all our soldiers and Marines who have served and are currently serving in Iraq and Afghanistan are worthless cowards? Because that has been their ROE for years.

      I think your oversized cowboy hat is making up for something else if you think you have to ridicule and insult everybody who doesn’t agree with you. I think your brain needs a little more sun, I think it is vitamin D deficient.

      If all people from Texas are as rude and arrogant and dumb as you, then thank Christ I don’t live there. Or maybe the laws in Texas are more relaxed so you don’t have to think as much as people from other states before pulling a trigger on someone? (I agree with Texas’ law, by the way)

  9. Just an ignorant texan pointing out the facts. U (non texan) said ppl not from texas dont “run and hide”. Very next sentence u said” we conceal ourself in our place till they have broke in or have left.” Ok i will let u have ur half truth. Ur correct u dont run. Thats because u havent even confronted the problem yet, to run from.Ur waiting for the problem to confront u, inside ur own place. The u not hiding part is a lie. When u say “we conceal our self and wait till they get inside”……thats called hiding plain and simple!

  10. True story, though it took place in the early 1990’s. Please bear with me, as this story relates to this article, I promise!!

    Friend of mine was a licensed armed patrol officer, working in a crime ridden area (Pico Union District) of Los Angeles, ÇA. His shift ended at 3:00 in the morning and he was heading home. Prior to reaching the freeway his vehicle comes under fire without provocation. The shooter was a teenager who was later identified as a known gang member and was in the country illegally.

    My friend’s partner towed the car into the curb and panicked as bullets flew through the windshield. My friend jumped out of the passenger side and, while bullets passed his head, yelled “Drop the gun motherf**ker!!” TWICE before firing his own weapon. He fired two rounds center-mass and then lowered his weapon to the ready position before he realized the criminal was still shooting at him… But before he could re-engage his target the perp’s eyes rolled up into his head and he fell over. It was later found that the two .40 S&W rounds my buddy fired had both pierced the perp’s heart; but the perp was STILL able to discharge three rounds at my friend before dying of his wounds.

    Thankfully, my buddy was not hit, but there were two mistakes made here: first, he tried to verbally disarm an assailant while under fire; second, he stopped firing his weapon before the threat was neutralized.

    I’ll address the second problem first. His mistake was to not “Train as you fight.” All he ever did at the range was: draw from the holster; fire two rounds into the target; lower his weapon to the ready; Look left and right to check for unseen “assailants”; re-holster his weapon; do it all over again. So in a real gunfight that could have easily killed him, he fired two rounds and automatically lowered his weapon. Muscle memory took over, and he fell back on his impractical training. That mistake almost cost him his life.

    Now to address the first problem. My friend was screaming at the perp to drop the gun WHILE the perp was shooting at him…I think we all recognize the mistake here. When I found out about the shooting and the specifics of the incident, I began berating my friend; not because I’m a jerk (Well, partially because I’m a jerk…), but because I care for him. I felt the need to insure he never make that mistake again.

    But I was wrong, at least in this instance. And here is where this story relates to the article: The L.A. District Attorney wanted to prosecute my friend for murder. Regardless that my friend was legally licensed to carry his Glock when the event occurred. Regardless that the prep started shooting for reasons unknown. Regardless that the shooter was a known gang member with a lengthy criminal record, and in this country illegally. They were going to charge my friend with murder, because he used a gun to defend himself. And the only thing that prevented his prosecution was the myriad of witnesses who heard him yelling “Drop the gun mother f**ker!!” at 3:00 in the morning… My friend got lucky because he made a terrible tactical mistake.

    Moral of the story: Don’t live in California and expect justice unless you are a criminal.

  11. Well, when you live in a state that have the Pelosi and Feinstein types running your 2nd Amendment rights into the toilet, what do you expect? Remember the old commercials for tourism? Believe it! “Texas – it’s like a whole other country”.

  12. In the county I live in here in Kentucky, chances are if I defended my shop in similar circumstances, and left a car full of dead criminals out front the local sheriff would probably come out in the middle of the night, shake my hand, and state, “Good job, we appreciate your help.”

  13. I live in Virginia. I’m not sure precisely what the law would say about that scenario. If it were me, as soon as the car with the thieves drove up my partner an I would have remained inside and called police. Then, had the thieves entered the premises we would have flipped on the lights and ordered them to stop. Had they made any threatening moves or had we seen any weapons, we would have shot them. Five with firearms or knives within the confines of a store gives them the means, the intent, and the ability, which is what is required to use deadly force in self defense.

  14. So you clowns that are supporting the criminals can quit crying, these guys were trespassing on private property in the middle of the night. There are signs posted everywhere about that. They were not patrons as we were closed. They were attempting to get into our cars and business.

    Had they officially commited robbery. No. But here in Texas (who cares about your state) I am allowed to stop the crime before it starts by chasing them off or detaining them until the police arrive. I’m not going to do that with a spoon.

    When we went outside to deter the secondary crime of robbery (the first being trespassing) the fleeing car opened fire. At that point, not before, I RETURNED fire. I did not miss. Seven shots all hit the car with one bouncing off and breaking a window (allegedly).

    I know in your eyes I have to obey the laws of your state. Sorry, your liberal bastion of a state does affect me if I’m not there. Get over yourselves. Nothing I did was outside Texas law.

    As far as the unsafe part? The front of the building is noting but windows. I can see out, they can’t see in. We had the element of surprise and knowledge of the premises.

    It does not matter who owned the parking lot. I can protect my vehicle no matter whose parking lot it is in. It’s called the castle doctrine.

    I know your support is for the felons in this case, but not the people that care about our nation. And not the people that care about others.

    1. A guy,

      You’re my frigging hero. Anyone that believes what you did was wrong does not understand “moral right” and/or “common sense.” It sounds to me (A resident of California myself) as though you did everything correctly. Were I ever in a similar situation I hope that I could work through it as well as you did. Kudos brother! I’m thankful that you are not injured. You did us all a service and rid the population of (barely) human parasites that, maybe tomorrow, would have hurt or killed someone I love. I see it as a service to our country, and I thank you for it.

    2. Beatles fan? Me too. But be careful John, if you admit to that you’ll age yourself…

      And I hope you weren’t implying that I’m a druggy. Never have, never will. Hell, I don’t even drink alcohol. Though my view is that it’s supposed to be a free country, and as long as you’re not hurting anyone else, have at it. I’m nobodies mother, and the government isn’t, either.

      But that’s an argument for a different forum.

  15. Stop crying if you live in a state where you cant defend yourself. Move or get the law changed. That is why we have the 10th amendment. We already know you live in a crappy state, you don’t need to explain to those of us who are not burdened by their state government.

  16. In my state of R.I. Where I live . if you try to protect your self from criminals and HAD A CARRY PERMIT that’s right HAD a care permit for 25 years you will lose your permit. That’s what happen to me when I tried to protect my self from criminals.Thats right Criminals in my state criminals have more right then the law abiding citizen

  17. Here in California, if we were to fire back, we would be charged with attempted murder. Then firearms charges would be filed, and then the highest bail amount possible would be imposed. The “robbers” would then be able to file civil lawsuits to make us bankrupt with lawyers fees and court fees, and so on. Simply put, unless the criminals are in the process of raping your entire family, with a gun to your head, while already shooting 3 of your dogs, it is not advised to even own a gun. Because you are the bad guy in the laws eyes. And even then, only to save any other dogs, because they are what matters to the special interests. Yes, dogs have better protection in California.

    1. Yup, there are several gun unfriendly state, including all along the west coast and hawaii, most of the northeastern states except Vermont and PA, and a few others [Minnesota and Colorado come to mind, but maybe others as well]. I live in VA and our concealed carry permit is honored in nearly 40 states, but not the ones I mentioned.

  18. From the information provided and regardless of what the lawyer has said, a crime had not yet been committed, They went outside the building, which was a stupid move in the first place. Had they not stepped out side with their guns in hand, they might not have gotten shot at. I wouldn’t want to stake what time I have left on earth to a jury, unless everyone of them was a gun owner and at least 50 % of them carried all of the time. If the “robbers’ fired first and run away when fired on, any subsequent firing by the defenders was not fired in self defense, nor defense of property

    1. So what ? The gun store guys did nothing wrong and we’re totally within their rights ! Your comments may apply in whatever liberal state you live in … but not in the lone star state of TEXAS ! We can , we do ,and we will defend our property and lives from scumbag thieves in the night

  19. In the commie Northeast where I live, the gun store owners would go to prison and the scum bags would be the victims and the slime and low life press would portray them as hero’s.

  20. I thought TEXAS just passed a CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY LAW!!
    I see nothing wrong with this event. They had LEGAL JUSTIFICATION once they were SHOT at!!!
    If I was there the PERPS would have been DEAD!!! All of them.

  21. WOW. You guys outside of TEXAS who are so freely giving of you opinion on Texas law…need to SHUT IT!. Laws their are real not some pansy criminal protecting law like we have in other states. In Texas you have the OBLIGATION to protect YOUR NEIGHBORS property if someone is breaking into it…not just your own. Been reading the comments and you guys who think you know everything… is better to be thought a fool than to open our mouth and remove all doubt. Chill the freak out.

    1. I live in Virginia, but this is what I know about Texas law: if a property crime is taking place during the hours of darkness, the property owner/s MAY FIRE AT A FLEEING CRIMINAL/ROBBER/THIEF; however, if the criminal were fleeing during daylight hours and the property owner/s had shot at them, much less hit them, they could be charged with crimes since the criminals were fleeing and therefore no longer posed a threat.

  22. Sich, you are the bone headed idiot. They were protecting their lively hood . Were they tio go out and say gun free zone, go away, or wait until they broke in and kill them all. I vote for the middle, stop them before they break in. Your support of the criminal element makes me wonder if you or some of your spawn are criminals. Hillary lost, so go get under your safe rock, suck your thumb, and wait for mommy to bring you a glass of warm milk.

    1. @ Graywolf12

      If you Work in a HIGH CRIME area, MOVE. Get together with the OTHER Shop Owners and Hire a Onsite Security Service. Don’t ASK your Employees to do Double Duty as NON-Bonded Security Guards!

    2. You guys are weird ,but you don’t know any thing about Texas law !and you really sound like butthurt liberal pansies. Here men do what needs doing anf so do our women
      In fact our women act braver than what I’ve heard out of you sissies
      Up north … call the police and hide
      Wow ?

  23. Good on ya guys. You made your business a hard target. Criminals don’t care about the law, Police, or anyone on this post. Matching force with force, influence the bad guys to find easier prey. The fact that the bad guys started shooting did put the employees life in danger. If the employees did not return fire the bad guys would have made another pass at them.
    Enough of the legal crap.
    5 of 7 hits at night, on a moving target shooting back is pretty damn good.
    What type of sights were you using.

  24. If someone has fired a gun at me, I feel justified in shooting back them as necessary to disable or detain them for apprehension by law enforcement officers.

    1. Here in Texas, when crimes are committed “in the nighttime” it changes the justifications for when the use of “deadly force” is authorized.

      Just one such “extreme” example: toilet-papering someone’s property (“Criminal Mischief”) when committed “in the nighttime” (legally defined under Texas law as 30 minutes after dusk-to-30 minutes before dawn) allows for the use of deadly force to apply – a level of force not authorized when the same crime is committed in the daytime.

      BTW: this Texas statute originates in the Bible (Exodus 22:2-3).

  25. I am really surprised by some of the comments on here. When did our nation become more concerned with the rights of criminals over the rights of law abiding citizens? Kudos from California to these men in protecting their business. A former native of Texas myself, your laws are much more friendly for 2nd Amendment Rights. I’d purchase a weapon from these guys any day.

    1. Michele, I don’t think it’s as much siding with the criminals as it is about how to best protect oneself from criminal prosecution.
      So many conditions have been placed upon people who use firearms for self defense that it can be tricky to avoid prosecution. That’s one reason why “warning shots” are frowned upon.
      I think people are arguing more about the best way to handle the situation without opening themselves to criminal liability.
      It’s sad that our minds have been somewhat “trained” to consider avoiding criminal prosecution along with protecting ourselves, our loved ones, and our livelihoods.

  26. Had my house broken into during broad daylight while everyone was at work. My adult son came by at lunch time to eat lunch & realized someone was in the house. They ran when they heard him. When the police came by he told them he had hocked his pistol to buyhis daughter a present or he would have went in & shot them. The Dallas Texas cop replied that he didn’t have a right to shoot someone who had broke into the house. When my son looked stunned at his comment, the cop comtinued to say “you have an obligation to shoot them”. Way to go Texas law enforcement. They believe in our rights to defend ourselves & our property. To”scare them away” by yelling that you’ve cops just makes them a problem & a danger for their next victim.

  27. @ A Guy

    Five Guy’s from Two Cars, Standing in a Parking Lot with “Other” Cars DOESN’T make a Robbery in Progress. ONLY One of Them had a Gun, Gun Battle DIDN’T Start unit your “Knuckle Head” Employees Step Out of the Store with Weapon Drawn. Single Guy with Gun Bullet Hit Glass Window of an Out of Business Hamburger Joint. Curious, If “Employee’s” are Hero’s, WHY were Names Not Released to the Press. Or is there an Onging Investigation ON “You” he Store Owner and “Your” Two “Beavis and Butt-Head” Employees. How’s the “Rheumatoid Arthritis” in the Hands. Ti-Lite Wheelchair?

    1. LOL SICH , thats good.
      could not have said it better myself be shocked if some one does not get into serious trouble before it is said n done they should post the results if this goes to any trial let people learn when and when NOT too use a firearm in self defense . To me they should have never left the store enough said .

    2. Sich, this report says one of the ‘outsiders’ fired at the employees first. You are the knucklehead.

    3. @ mach37

      Five Guy’s in Parking Lot. Shots weren’t fired until two Knuckle Heads came oot of Store with Firearms In Hand. What would be You’re “Immediate Reaction” be if Two Guys Pointing Firearms AT YOU in the Middle of the Night be. When the TWO Guy with Firearms Pointed at You, WEREN’T Outside the Store when you PULLED Into the Parking Lot and got out of your Respective Cars…

    4. This idiot here. I’m glad you know the whole story. Better job is only reading what you want. I bet breathing is confusing for you too. Good luck with life.

    5. Confronting someone with a rifle/ shotgun in hand isnt a crime in Texas
      U can walk around in the streets with a loaded rifle/shotgun that also, is not a crime. Guess what is a crime in texas….trespassing on someone property. In tx the parking lot is an extension of the businesses property. Also forcibly trying to get in a car thats not urs is a crime. The gun fire didnt start till suspect shot at employees. Also is doesnt matter where the suspects bullet struck. He still was shooting at them. Names arent release to protect ppl.against them being targeted for retaliation. To top it off u have proven to have poor character, by making fun of a person who is handicap. U sir are part of the problem in america. Especially when u feel the criminals have more rights then the business owners.

    6. The FIVE GUY’s in the Parking Lot DIDN’T Confront the Gun Store Employees! The Gun Store Employees CONFRONTED the Five Guy’s in the Parking Lot as Soon as THEY Stepped Outside of the Gun Store with Firearms Pointed At Them.

    7. Sich, you sound like you were one of the guys in the cars who expected an easy score, but didn’t like getting shot at! Didn’t work out so well, did it?

    8. @ Joseph Jones

      Did it EVER OCCUR to you that the Five Guy’s might have Stopped Off at the “Galleria” to Get Something to EAT or Have a “Couple Rounds of Drinks” after Getting Off From Work THEMSELVES?

    9. typical sissified, left wing nutjob, Bill Mahr loving, safe zone enabling, snowflake cuddling response. You sir, are exactly what is wrong with the world.

    10. @Sich

      What article are you reading? It clearly states the bad guys were near the employees cars. And it states the bad guys shot first. It’s people like you, the kind who spread misinformation, that has gotten this country to the sorry state we are in now…

    11. @ Don

      AND Just Exactly Does That PROVE! You’re making the Assumption that the Five Guy’s NEW Before Hand that the Two Cars they Parked Next Too, Belonged to the Gun Store Employees INSIDE the Gun Store.

    12. @ Sich

      Your post has reminded me of a favorite quote
      By the legendary architect Frank Lloyd Wright:
      “I’m all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let’s start with typewriters.”

      Your smoke and mirror logical fallacies are very manipulative, but to a skilled debater, you’re a hack.

      You say that being in a parking lot with a few other guys in a few other vehicles does not make a robbery. That’s correct. It is potentially a threat though, especially if the property is private and a business that is currently closed and vacant. The fact that only one of the would be thieves had a firearm makes the situation plenty lethally threatening for the law abiding citizens employed inside.

      Now allow me to turn the tables on you. Does walking outside of your workplace with a weapon in hand, when your boss specifically asked you to carry a weapon in defense of the place, constitute the initiation of gunfire on either side? Who fired first? Let me refresh your memory…try to read it and understand it this time. Go slow…

      “During the night, two cars pulled into the parking lot. According to the Houston Chronicle, when the Full Armor workers stepped outside with their weapons, one of the five men, who was standing near the employees’ cars, shot at them. The employees were not injured, and gunfire was exchanged as the men drove away.”

      The would be thieves fired first. You lose. A gunshot fired in your general direction immediately satisfies the three legal requirements to justify the use of lethal force in self defense: ability to kill, opportunity to kill, expressed intent to kill, aka jeopardy.

      Moving on to your question:
      “Curious, If “Employee’s” are Hero’s, WHY were Names Not Released to the Press. ”

      First, moron, let me remind you that there exists the punctuation character called a question mark. It is to be used at the end of question sentences. I don’t want to take the time to pick apart every botched attempt to compose the English language, but I felt obligated to point it out at least once.

      Why would the employees names be protected? Have you seen the news? A bunch of homophobic thugs rioting in Berkeley, CA because of a gay speaker? Didn’t Hitler hate on the gays? Since when did California become so homophobic? Sorry…had to go off on a little tangent there…that was my impersonation of how the MSM twists events to demonize their political opposition. Back to shredding Sich.

      Just to name a few, there have been riots in Ferguson, Baltimore, DC, Cleveland, and Dallas. These are not peaceful protests. The moment one person commits an act of physical violence during what was a peaceful protest, the protest is now no longer peaceful. If the employees names are released, you and your mentally ill ilk will find their homes and domestically terrorize them. That’s exactly what you want which is why you think you’re so brilliant trying to bow up and challenge for the employees names with some false logical if then statement. You’re a hack, dude.

      The rest of your post is ad hominem attacks and what appear to be veiled threats indicating an extremely intricate and personal knowledge about someone involved with this case. Personally, I hope law enforcement looks up you IP address and finds you.

      Please remove yourself from the gene pool.

    13. @ Sich
      Your a douche bag! It is not the fault of the business owner or the employees that criminals came looking for victims. It is their GOD given right to protect their life and property! The only travesty is that all those scumbags weren’t buried that night.

  28. COULD GIVE A FLYING CRAp ABOUT TEXAS LAW i go by the state i live in and if you are not occupying said property he can beat on my car with a sledgehammer i cannot shoot him for that unless i am in the vehicle it is a civil case of destroying private property my life was never in danger and all we can do is call police we go outside and confront him with a firearm we are now the escalator. in the State of Ohio and will be charged. That is the law here texas does not matter to all in america it only matters in TX my man. You can cross a state line and all the self defense laws could have just changed including how many rounds are in my firearm in some states so if you never leave TX it may be ok but try that up here you are going to jail then prison. This is why i am a lifetime member of the USCCA if i planned a trip out of Ohio i will know the laws of the states i have to go through bet on that .

    1. You said you knew the law in all 50 states. Now you “could give a crap.” My point is I follow lead of my state. Now your anti 2A state.

      Congratulations on being a lifetime member of some club. I’m sure it will help you when you are a victim.

      Good luck with life.

  29. All these accusations about the store employees not being accurate in returning fire are RIDICULOUS!

    OBVIOUSLY, those who say “shoot straighter” or “a long gun is more accurate”, etc. have NEVER been in combat. Or if they have been in combat, they’ve forgotten what it was like.

    For a fact: when confronted by a gun (and gunfire) your amygdala takes over–the “fight or flight” takes control. Your vision is narrowed. You don’t notice ANYTHING except the immediate threat. You may not even hear the same thing as the guy next to you. Adrenaline is pumping throughout your body. Major muscles are energized…muscle memory is ALL that can save you because you CAN NOT perform seemingly simple tasks.

    Your likelihood of hitting the target you’re aiming at is only slightly better than that of someone who’s never handled a weapon before. Hitting a moving target are next to impossible.

    These are facts, folks. Unless and until you’ve been shot at, you DO NOT know how you will react. Period. Disbelieve it to your peril. I’m NOT saying you’re stupid or that you’re not potentially the next RAMBO. What I’m saying is that ignorance may one day get you killed.

    When confronted with a gun…find immediate cover…the shooter may get lucky and kill you. Second, know your weapon of choice intimately and practice, practice, practice so you won’t be fumbling, but muscle memory can take over. Third, avoid all circumstances that place your life in danger. Fourth, unload your gun into your target, take a little time to aim…and maybe you’ll be the lucky one.

    In the Marines I was shot at several times. I was the “bull’s eye.” I never did return fire, even though I was prepared to do so. After all, if you cannot see your target, well…there is no target.

    Good luck guys. Stay safe. Be aware. Travel in pairs.

    1. Thank you. This is the best outside assessment of how things went down that night and how things happen in every situation of the sort.

      These keyboard commanders think they everything happens exactly they way it does in the movies or on their video games. It does not!!

      The only thing I had in my favor was the element of surprise. After that it was training, instinct and adrenaline that helped me out.

      Lucky for me, and I mean no matter how good of a shot I think I may be, my shots fired hit target.

      As far as your advice goes on how to fire on your target, that’s exactly how we teach here at the range. With the only exception being look at the spot you want to hit. When we tell them that, they rarely miss.

  30. Ok 1st off, i mean no disrespect to the police in this post. To anyone saying wait for a cop to show up and let him deal with suspects….u are what we refer to as a victim. The response time of the police in houston is slow. Not there fault. Houston is a huge city with not enough cops to have one everywhere at all times. 2nd most texans will defend their property no questions asked. To anyone saying i wouldnt confront them just wait till they get inside then shout at them that u called the cops. Ur a liberal retard. Yall do know that the police have the worst rounds fired to hits ratio. If u wont stand up and fight for what is urs then u are a spineless coward. Bottom line is its up to u to defend ur personal property. If ur to scared to do so just admit ur a coward who likes to playing the victim card.

    1. So true. Average police response time in the US is 23 minutes. That’s 23 minutes for you to hide in the closet and become a dead victim.

    2. Same for you, “A guy”. Nobody is saying to hide in a closet and wait to be slaughtered; your slippery-slope fallacy is just stupid.
      People on this forum want to protect themselves both civilly and criminally from their own state laws that are obviously not as generous as Texas toward people who use a firearm in defense of self or property. That’s the point of view that most people are coming from. You and Brian, and others too, are jumping to conclusions.

    3. Brian,
      You hold the assumption that all states have the same laws as Texas. That makes you an ASS – no, an arrogant ASS. I live in Virginia, and if I were to have left the relative safety of a building armed with a rifle to confront property thieves instead of calling the police, I would have been charged with a crime.
      Had there been an exchange of gunfire, regardless who started it, I would have been at fault for escalating the situation – again, instead of calling the police and waiting until my life was in imminent danger, as would have been the case had those guys broken into and entered the gun store.
      That’s why so many people are saying they should have stayed inside and called the police. It doesn’t make them “liberal retards,” “victims,” or “spineless cowards,” just conscientious of civil and criminal liabilities.
      You don’t have to be such an a-hole about this, just recognize that people on this forum live in different states and have been conditioned by their own states’ laws regarding scenarios such as this.

  31. The criminals made their decision, from the freewill that God gave them, to unlawfully disrupt the peace, and endanger the lives of other unwilling participants.

    THEY NEED TO BE STOPPED IN ANY WAY POSSIBLE. There’s no way I would have allowed them to escape.

    ‘Robert Murphy

    1. 100% agreed… their constitutional & god given “rights” are abandoned once they choose to step on anothers…

  32. i THINK THEY KEY WORDS HERE ARE they were fired upon by the fleeing suspects giving them reason to fear for the need to fire back in self defense .How ever in a lot of states displaying the firearm is almost as baD AS USING IT here in Ohio it is assault but there is a thin red line there . So in the event i ever have to display my firearm to stop them before firing on them i will call police and report what happened they could ride down the road ,call police ,give a description of my gun and vehicle and say i threatened them with a gun now i am now the BAD GUY. so if i go as far as pulling it on them here in my state(Ohio)i most likely will tend to use it to defend myself not just display it .

    1. I’m going to assume two things here. Number one, you have never defended or even see a gun store robbery at night. They don’t bring one person to break in. I have seen as many as ten at a store not far from here. A pistol WON’T suffice. The second thing I am going to assume is you have never been fired upon. I have. Only once, and it was that night, buy these criminals. There were two of us and five of them. Tell me why my AR was inappropriate in your eyes.

      Rule #1: Your pistol is only to get you to your long gun.
      Rule #2: Don’t get shot.
      Rule #3: Hit what you are aiming at.

      I was VERY successful in all three of these and we detained two others.

      I’m sure you think fighting fair is the only route, so you’ll need to sent an appointment with the criminals coming to rob you to find out what type of weapons they will be carrying. As for me, I will be armed better than what I would assume the idiots coming to steal my property or harm my loved ones will be.

    2. I’m afraid you misunderstood Jerry Marshall. Pretty sure he was not suggesting you _should_ have used pistols, just saying that if you _had_ been using pistols, he’d understand your “inaccuracy”.

      The main thrust of his comment is that you missed robbers from across the parking lot, therefore you must be a pretty bad shot.

      Not sure what he’s basing this remote assessment of your accuracy on, but I’m guessing it’s the _absence_ of any information in the article regarding deaths or injuries among the robbers, which of course is bullsh^% — casualty details are not in the article because the article is about the legality of your actions, not the hazards of the criminal lifestyle..

      Bottom line: keyboard commandos gotta spew their bullsh^%; don’t let ’em get under your skin.

    3. A stressful situation like this, I did let these clowns under my skin. As far as accuracy goes, as I stated before, I fired seven shots and they found five hits on the guy that was in a moving car. If he thinks a I should be more accurate than that he should probably get from behind his keyboard and teach me how to be more accurate. This is real life, not Call of Duty. These were real bullets being shot at my coworker and me. Until these yayhoos are in this situation, they should probably not give their “expert” opinions.

      No matter how he meant it or how I misinterpreted what he was saying, he had very few of the details and started telling me how I screwed up.

  33. But who had their weapons drawn first. By the sound of the story, it was the Employees of the Gun Store. If I’m facing Eminent Danger by two people coming out of a store with weapons drawn, I’m might of Fired First too. Not knowing Friend or Foe.

    1. So you think that with someone trespassing on my property, trying to break into our business and our cars that we shouldn’t have confronted them with guns? How, in your imagination, should these guys have been chased off? A fly swatted? Maybe a piece of paper and then pull my firearm out after they shot at me? Yes we had our guns trained on them first. You would have to be stupid or living in a liberal state to not.

      Definitely takes the cake for stupidest post. And if you go confront crimails without your firearm up and ready, you will also take top prize in the Darwin awards.

    2. For me i would never go outside to confront them or escalate the the situation to outside my rightfully defended property that is the job of LEO. but if they were advancing on my store ,house ,buisness w/e it may be with weapons drawn i would arm myself with the biggest firearm available to me and agree a pistol is used to get to a rifle if possible but i would not confront them outside my property unless they fired into my property so it could be used against me in a court of law or they were committing a felony on another person i was witness too .The law is pretty clear in most all 50 states in today’s America AVOID at all costs but once you have stand n fight when it comes to lethal force . I would be laying in wait until they came into the store or attempted too were told to leave and forceful entry or gunfire into my buisness had occured if you fire on fleeing suspects you may and will most times end up being charged with crimes now unless you can prove beyond all doubt they were still firing upon you .

    3. So you have an LEO posted outside your door at all times? The cops can’t be everywhere all the time. I have had MANY officers come by the store to say thank you since this night.

      By the way, the law is NOT, as you state, avoid. And your statement about firing on fleeing suspects proves your ignorance in this case. I did not fire because they fled. I returned fire because they opened fire on us and my coworker was out in the open. Know the facts before you start accusing. This is the exact reason the police have been turned on. People call for a linch mob and only know (or pay attention to) one side of the story.

    4. i GUESS YOU CANNOT READ ? DID I NOT SAY IF I WERE FIRED UPON I WOULD RETURN FIRE BUT ONLY IF FIRED UPON if they were not inside or shooting into my store you cannot take the law into your own hands i am a lifetime member of the USCCA and stay well informed on the rights of lethal force for self defense in all 50 states .I cannot get the link to work so i cannot see the vid of the actual incident but from what i am reading you all missed the threat and did not hit a 1 of them with long guns but you are going to insult my knowledge of how the law can and will be used against you in 2017 america and the use of firearms ? That is laughable as former military with 2 deployments at least i will hit what i aim at if that need arrives so what did you stop? A gun store break in . They just moved on to next target you missed .but i still am not giving them the chance to get me outside my safety zone into a fire fight that can put me into prison as the aggressor which a lot of ADA’s will do in most states and they may succeed in just that there is very fine line on lethal force by civilians in todays America so i will stick to my guns on this 1 i would never have left the store i would have let them drive away and called local LEO.

    5. Proving you are the biggest fool on here. You are jumping to all kinds of conclusions. The police said that out of the seven rounds fired five were found in ONE suspect. The news report from that morning only said one shot.

      As far as protecting my property, in Texas we have the legal right to use deadly force if criminal activity is going on outside daylight hours. So it appears you are just as informed on Texas laws as much as you are about what I did and did not hit.

      If you can’t read what happened you shouldn’t even be commenting on the story.

    6. @ A Guy

      What “Criminal Activity” took place outside the Store? FIVE Guys Standing in A Parking Lot DOESN’T Constitute Criminal Activity. If that were TRUE it would be “Open Season” at “ANY” Grocery Stores and Movie Theaters Around the Country.

    7. @ Damian
      Good on you for your service! However you sound like a cherry E-3 prick who obviously doesn’t know crap about the law! In Texas and in some still free states they are well within the law. Obviously the police felt the same way or they would have been arrested. Smarten up Damian and keep your mouth shut and quit sounding like an ass!

    8. He should not have been outside in first place that would not fly in this state my man sad but true fact. And yes in this state and our ccw classes Avoid is the best defense if possible but again i say once he left the building he was now becoming the aggressor stay in the store report a crime may be in progress and stay inside till they get there unless forceful entry was used into the store you escalated it by going outside armed to confront them . That is law in the state of Ohio like it or not .

    9. Those of us that DON’T live in texas, don’t “run and hide”, we take cover on or in our premises and WAIT for the perps to either leave, or break in, once they’re inside my/our premises they will have entered the kill box….so don’t just ASSume anyone not living in texas runs and hides, we use common sense, concealment, cover and our weapon only when its legal to do so…Are all Texans as ignorant as you?

    10. The “Gun Store” is not setting out on it own, just off the the Highway. But located in a “Galleria” of other Businesses, including a All Night Pharmacy, Grocery Store, and a Couple of Restaurants. To make the Assumption of a Robbery with other businesses near by Still Open, is a “Persumption of Arrogance” on the Two Guarding the Gun Store. It would be safe to say that Other Businesses still open that the Parking Lot “Might” be Reasonably Full. So parking “Ones” car near ther “Gun Store” doesn’t automatically suggest as Robbery of that Gun Store will soon follow.

    11. Calling me arrogant because you think a store somewhere down the street might be open is your ignorance. They were trying to get into our vehicles and our business. Five felons with guns don’t race into a parking lot with their lights off and start looking in cars and pulling on doors trying to get inside in a parking lot where businesses are closed isn’t a presumption of anything. If that were the case, I would have accused the 20 or so other cars in my parking lot over the last year of robbing the place. I did not. Watching tv doesn’t give you a law degree in Texas.

    12. In Ohio you would have probably been arrested you are not the police they had not commited a crime by trying to open car doors no human was at risk of IMMINENT HARM OR possible death the word IMMINENT is key in court of law. wAS A HUMAN LIFE AT RISK AT THE TIME is the second most important ? in the court of law .Did you go outside to confront them first? property in ohio unless you are occupying that property is not justification for lethal force so before you call some of us stupid or insult us look up state law in our state first it varies greatly in America.

    13. This is why I don’t live in an anti 2nd amendment state. I have the legal right to protect my property.

    14. What are you smoking… You attacked the guy and questioned his actions way before he chimed in. The article is about an incident that happened in TEXAS, not your lowly Ohio. So until you live in Texas, which this guy does, keep your pseudo “Law Degree” to your own back yard. Wow…

    15. In Texas you can after sunset shoot to stop a theft law is from 1870s
      Dude shot a repo guy from 2nd story window several years ago …it was dark.and shooter killed wrecker driver …was acquitted
      The law in Texas is very different than in occupied liberal states !

    16. @ A Guy

      Please show me where in the Comment Section of this Blog, where FIVE Guys “Approached” the Gun Shop? Even the Local Press didn’t Account that Fact. So “Unless” you know more to this Story, Please be Free to Share You’re Accounting of the Incident.

    17. I know EVERYTHING about this story. I am the guy in it. The news doesn’t tell everything. There were three in one car and two in the other.

    18. Agree he needs to know laws vary from state to state as well was a human life in danger at anytime is the biggest ? will be asked over n over again .A good ADA will prosecute on that 1 alone.

    19. He dosent need to know the law of your state, he dosent run a business there. You are the one implying that your state laws and ccwe classes apply universally which they don’t. In the southwest men still handle stuff instead of calling on someone else too. It’s just a geographic preference here in AZ we don’t need ccws at all but I’m sure in Ohio you’d go to jail for an unregistered or unlicensed concealed firearm.

    20. Alan….”men in the southwest still handle stuff instead of calling on someone else too.”….What a idiotic statement, that statement alone will give the DA enough ammo to smoke your dumb bubba ass into prison….Think before you open your pie hole

    21. To me the this the biggest question – Who owned the parking lot?

      In many commercial areas the parking lot is not the property of any one store. The store owner only owns within it’s 4 walls – nothing on the outside.

      I believe we have a right to “Stand your Ground” but you can’t protect someone else property.

    22. Again ,this is Texas we’re talking about ,and yes you can protect someone else’s property in some instances… every state has different laws about self defence and use of force and unless you are conversant with Texas law best to not comment or tell us what we are doing wrong !1

    23. I HAVE CALLED THE POLICE THEY ARE ON THE WAY LEAVE NOW shouted loud enough from inside the store and we are armed do not attempt to enter leave now would be the legal way in most states .

    24. A Guy, do not mind the trolls who think they are “experts’ on everything from law to how to fix a flat. Glad you are still alive and that your state laws do not punish you for protecting your life.

    25. @ Steve in Detroit

      NO Life was Threatened UNTIL “Beavis and Butt-Head” in the Gun Store CAME OUT With Guns In Hand.

    26. Thank you. The best part is the guys in the right are ok. But these fools don’t care about that. All they care about is their law degrees they got from some lifetime membership to a club or from when they were watching a tv show. Maybe that instead of their guns will protect them when they are hiding under the bed.

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