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ATF Claims “More Study” on M855 Ammo Ban

ATF Tweet saying they will not make a final decision on the ammo ban at this time

Buried in between stories on ATF raids, the bureau Tweeted yesterday afternoon its intentions for “more study” on the purposed armor-piercing ammo exemption—M855 ammo ban—before making a final decision.

Thanks to the efforts of gun owners such as you, the ATF has already received a record number of comments—over 80,000—before the comment period has ended. The people have spoken and it seems the ATF heard our voices.

ATF Tweet saying they will not make a final decision on the ammo ban at this time
The ATF Tweeted its intentions for “more study” on the purposed ammo ban.

“Notice to those Commenting on the Armor Piercing Ammunition Exemption Framework

Thank you for your interest in ATF’s proposed framework for determining whether certain projectiles are “primarily intended for sporting purposes” within the meaning of 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(C). The informal comment period will close on Monday, March 16, 2015. ATF has already received more than 80,000 comments, which will be made publicly available as soon as practicable.

Although ATF endeavored to create a proposal that reflected a good faith interpretation of the law and balanced the interests of law enforcement, industry, and sportsmen, the vast majority of the comments received to date are critical of the framework, and include issues that deserve further study. Accordingly, ATF will not at this time seek to issue a final framework. After the close of the comment period, ATF will process the comments received, further evaluate the issues raised therein, and provide additional open and transparent process (for example, through additional proposals and opportunities for comment) before proceeding with any framework.”

Leading organizations such as the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) are fighting for our rights on one level, but we need to support them from a grass roots level. Today, following the ATF’s announcement, the NSSF said, “NSSF continues to strongly urge ATF to grant 32 long-pending petitions to exempt alternative rifle ammunition designed and intended for the hunting market.” Further, the Firearms Policy Coalition sent out a breaking bulletin. President Brandon Combs writes, “While we’re pleased to see that the Obama Administration and ATF listened to the American people for once, it’s clear to us that this fight isn’t over. Gun owners must continue to be vigilant in their defense of the fundamental, individual right to keep and bear arms. As the M855 ammo ban debacle proved, the federal government will run over Second Amendment rights any chance it gets. We can’t take our eye off the ball for one second.” There is still the question of whether the ATF will ultimately rule in favor of the Second Amendment, so let us not celebrate any false victories. Instead, let us double or triple the number and really let the ATF hear our voices. Now is the time to ramp up the pressure. There are millions of gun owners and only 80,000 comments. The comment period is open until March 16.

Contact the BATFE via email at APAComments@atf.gov. If you need help with writing your letter, click here.

How have you supported the effort to stop the ATF proposed ban? How will you continue to ensure its defeat in the future? Tell us in the comment section.

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Comments (62)

  1. Ok, you win.. But again, I have relatives there and old ones who were in the Hitler Army. Plus, my mother who was born there and got out…
    So, I guess they don’t know anything.

  2. Well, the fact check came from my mother who was born in Berlin Germany in 1930 and my grand parents and she, at 9 years of age, got out just before the Hitler Invasion into Poland.
    She said the German soldiers came and took my grandfathers hand gun..

  3. They used that ammo for bait.. If that was banned, they could go after anything..
    Obama doesn’t want any of us 2nd. Amendment people having any guns at all, so he can do the “Marshall Law” thing and stop an election.
    Hitler banned and confiscated all civilian weapons so German’s couldn’t fight him.

    1. I studied Nazi Germany extensively. Hitler never did that. You should fact check stuff you hear from others. He did order guns confiscated from Jews. Most of the guns in Germany were owned by farmers and other agricultural producers, and some WWI veterans. Only a tiny handful of Jews owned firearms, and there was never any question they could challenge what was, at that time, the most powerful army in Europe, probably the planet. Your assertion is undeniably false given the facts available to any one that wants to do the research. As a matter of fact, when the allies invaded, he armed old men, teens, and anybody else able to fire a weapon.

    2. I believe Roy, that you are mistaken. While the OP may have overstated his point in saying that “Hitler banned and confiscated all civilian weapons” you are equally incorrect. Hitler absolutely used gun registration records, established during the Weimar republic, in 33 to disarm Jews AND political opponents. Over the next five years the society was ‘cleansed’ with defenseless offenders going to labor camps. The Gestapo also banned independent gun clubs and further restricted Jews by forbidding any issuance of firearm permits to them.

      In 1938 Hitler signed a new Gun Control Act since enemies of the state were now ‘out of society’ that liberalized many rights – but maintained prohibitions aimed at Jews. Shortly after that, all German Jews were ordered to surrender all weapons and invariably turned into the Gestapo. I believe you can look up the event “Krisallnacht” which took place only weeks after disarmament.

      Interestingly enough, in this country, 1941, Congress reaffirmed Second Amendment rights and PROHIBITED gun registration. In 68, many proposed bills to register guns were debated – with supporters of the legislation denying that the Nazis ever used registration records to confiscate guns. Revisionist history is well established within that ilk it seems.

      So to say that it was ‘only Jews’, and ‘only a tiny handful of Jews owned firearms’ is disingenuous. The facts, as they were, are that many people during that time were disarmed including Jews that had fought in WWI with distinction. Any non-supporter of the Reich was also treated in the manner, including farmers, agricultural producers and WWI non-jew vets.

      While technically not ‘all’, I think stripping the guns from ‘all but your supporters’ essentially achieves the same goal, don’t you?

    3. Well, my main points were a) It was primarily Jews that were disarmed, and not that many Jews had firearms to begin with. Yes, criminals, the insane, enemies of the state were also disarmed, as they were in many places other than Nazi Germany, so dragging Hitler into the discussion was disingenuous in my opinion. b) Hitler armed all abled bodied, and many not-so-able-bodied males as militias to protect the Reich from invasion, making the statement that he disarmed all Germans even more disingenuous. You can nitpick at my generalization, but the fact of the matter is that Hitler was never afraid that large numbers of the German population would rise against him. He was sure they would follow him into hell and he was almost right. Also, the rate of firearms ownership in Germany was fairly low compared to the U.S., and most of the weapons were obsolete or unfit for military use. The analogy just doesn’t fit and it’s altogether too common for people to try and link Hitler to things they dislike. That diminishes the monstrosity of what he did.

    4. I guess when you’re “Losing Your Hind-end,” and you can see that Germany was losing badly, I guess “He Would “RE”- Arm” the people.”
      Wouldn’t you??

    5. That’s partly my point. If someone wants to draw analogies to regimes that disarm their people, Fascists are generally a bad example because they draw a lot of support from the people, especially the right wingers who are armed. Communist regimes, on the other hand, generally have very minority support, and not from a demographic that is particularly well armed or trained in military arts. If one wants to draw an analogy to a regime they think is trying to disarm them, Communists are a much better fit. I can’t really think of a Fascist regime that has earned a reputation for widespread civilian disarmament, however, I can think of several Communist regimes that fit the bill. Just dragging Hitler out of your back pocket and tarring everything you don’t like with his name shows an ignorance of recent history.

  4. Hey Rocky-You bring up an interesting point-Who of us would ever contemplate shooting at an American Uniform? I would sooner cut off my arm ! Our Police Officers and our Soldiers are our neighbors ,relatives and certainly our friends.So Why a ban on us owning a particular ammo?The head of the fish always stinks the worst.Regards from the great State of North Carolina!

    1. steve b. As a NRA Pistol Trainer, disabled veteran and a former Peace Officer, I fully believe that, should our government ever turn completely against us, that the majority of, America born and raised, law enforcement and military would stand by their Oaths of Office and strive to ‘Protect and Defend the Constitution, against All Enemies, both Foreign and Domestic’, as we have been seeing numerous ‘Constitutional Sheriffs’ do. Which is likely why the Usurper-in-Chief has ben trying to rid the military of all of it’s patriotic Generals and other high ranking Officers and Nom Coms and has been encouraging non Americans to join, as a way to get US citizenship.

      As I wrote to my South Carolina Congressman and Senators, back in 1993, or thereabouts, ‘What have they in mind for ‘We the People’ that they feel that they cannot trust the American People with the possession of firearms?’

  5. Roy Thompson; You could use the green tipped .223s for shooting metal plates, at a distance, where the sound would let you know of a hit.
    It’s Not steel cored, as some AK47 rounds are/were and is Not ‘armor piercing’ by any definition.
    Btw; NO policeman has Ever been killed by this ammo.

    It’s not about what you would use this, or any other sort of ammo, for, but about our rights to own it and the fact that the BATFE is a Non legislating government Agency with No Powers of making Law.

    It’s also about the fact that Congress has No Authority to Ban any sort of firearms or ammunition. In fact All legislation passed by Congress, which aims to restrict firearms, is blatantly Unconstitutional, at base.

    “Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American . . . . The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.” — Tench Coxe The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788

    “As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow-citizens, the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms.” — Tench Coxe (1755–1824), writing as “A Pennsylvanian,” in “Remarks On The First Part Of The Amendments To The Federal Constitution,” in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789, p. 2 col. 1

    note; The Militia Act of 1903 created the unorganized militia, to be comprised of all males, of military age and veterans up to age 60 (considered to be old age at that time) who were expected to acquire weapons and ammunition of a type commonly found in military usage, in case they should be called upon, by their State’s Governor, or their County Sheriff, for whatever legal reasons.
    The Civilian Marksmanship Program was created a short 10 years thereafter, to ensure that our country would always have sufficient numbers of qualified marksmen, should the need ever arise, that have always given Americans a distinctive edge, in warfare, over the European nations, where firearms are, for the most part, strictly controlled, or outright banned, thus negating any number of experienced marksmen being widely available.

  6. Okay. But I don’t really get what I’m supposed to use this ammo for. It doesn’t seem to be in any way practical for the ordinary shooter. Can someone give me an example of why I might need this? I have soft tips and FMJs for my AR. I don’t really anticipate a stand-off with the FBI or ATF. As far as I can figure, if armed troops are coming after me with body armor, I’m already in a world of sh1t. Is there a practical use for this ammo?

  7. Write your House Representative and urge him/her to vote NO on H.R. 1358, a bill designed to ban civilian use and possession of M855 ammunition. This bill was introduced after the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives failed to unilaterally ban this ammunition as part of Comrade Obama’s gun control agenda.
    To permanently counter H.R. 1358, urged your representative to vote YES on H.R. 1365, the Ammunition and Firearms Protection Act.

  8. Hey Sgt-Hats off to you and thank you for your service! I think we all can see El barack husseins desire to change is a rallying call to destroy our wonderful nation.AS he said during his campaign”Go out and vote-get even”.Get even for what? My grandparents came here to escape persecution in Europe 100 years ago and we have been eternally grateful ever since.My guess is that el barack will be happy when Iran plants a nuclear tipped delivery system in Venezuela.

  9. This is all misinformation by the regime. Retired LEO with 30 yrs service and never had any concern about 223 ammo or type of bullets in them. If an AR pistol is easily concealable you would have to be 9 foot tall. These are BIG guns. None of the police organizations are pushing this foolishness, just democrats and his highness in the White house. They haven’t been able to get the rifles, or magazines, so now they are going after the ammo. What part of “shall not infringe” don’t they understand.
    I took the oath to protect and defend the constitution twice. First in 68 when joining army and again in 72 when joining the PD. Still honor it.

  10. “further study” aka look into the lies that the feds are coming up with to take away GOD given rights . IF this new law was to pass, it would only be another foot in the door by the “administration” to destroy OUR country

  11. These people at the so called ATF know that these bullets are not used to shoot through steel or police officers, I was a police officer for 20 years and the only rifle that was pointed at me was shotguns(single and double barell)most of the time it was illegal handguns,which obama’s henchmen will do nothing about, this is obama and no one else trying to ban ammo,ATF said it was legal under other presidents,but not this fool, Like I said in a privious post, his time is coming to an end,he love to be king of American but that won’t happen.But he will be remembered as the most unlawful lying and unconstitutional President in the history of America bar none

  12. It Isn’t weather or not the ATF will change it’s mind on a Ban of the Ammo. It is when “Our Middle Eastern President-Anti-Semite” will decide to “F-Bomb-Us Again…”
    It is he who the ATF takes orders….
    Wake Up…

  13. If an AR pistol were an easily concealable handgun, affordable by your every-day gang banger, and commonly used in assaults on LE, AND M855 ammo were the ONLY .223/5.56 ammo able to penetrate Type II and Type III-A vests most commonly worn by LE, then the ATF might have a point in talking about a ban. But NONE of those things are true, which makes the attempted ban nothing more than a back-door attempt to ban the AR-15.

  14. History has taught us that the persecution and Genocide of a specific group of citizens by their government is preceded by the confiscation of legal guns from said group by their government.The super majority of legal registered guns are owned by the White working class and these are the guns and group that is being targeted. My question is what does the US Federal government have planned for us that they believe they have to disarm us first?

  15. Ken R– Calling your rep is GOOD. But only one vote. This is why I have said to re post these stories on other blogs you follow. I re posted the Feb 14 story from this page on M855 on 3 other blogs. So far they have almost 3000 views by people who might not have known about it.If only 10% of those call that is 300 votes. I am only one old man.This is how the left uses it to win. NOW– I typed in HR1358 and only came up with info on a high speed blender. Post some links! Tag your IT!!! MOLON LABE!!!

  16. Forget the BATFE., write your representaives to respectfully OPPOSE HR1358, a bill proposed by NY democratic representative.

  17. First to all of you declaring that the government has no right to declare anything illegal.. What do you suggest a nation of no laws?

    Heizer Defense Pocket AR Break Action Single Shot Pistol .223 Remington, is the culprit here.
    Then Heiser, against all who said do not do this, do not release and manufacture this gun. Well guess what, until then everything else could be categorized as a sporting gun. The Heizer is a “pocket Defense Pistol” According to the rules as written AR’s and their like were okay.. Heeizer opened Pandora’s Box.. Thank them for the spit storm..
    Remember we are a Nation of Laws

    1. Robert we are a nation laws, but it wasn’t Heizer to blame. There have been .223 pistols for sometime. I had a Contender .223 barrel years ago.

    2. You are sooo wrong. The government is NOT a government of laws. Laws are passed within the Constitution and by Congress, NOT a damn murdering, treasonous, hand-picked puppet in Nazi style. We have laws, but hundreds or thousands are not being followed….by Obama, administration, states, or local officials. The governments within this country are self-serving, evil, and will keep no oath for you or me. We will never return to the America as intended and we knew unless we collectively stand up and say NO MORE! It must be backed up with action.

    3. The “government” does NOT have the “right” to pass any legislation concerning “arms”. The Constitution expressly forbids any such action.
      If you think otherwise – just show me where, in the Second Amendment, it says, “unless”, “until”, or “except”.
      And, don’t try the “militia” nonsense – our Founders all indicated that the “militia” is THE WHOLE OF THE PEOPLE – thus, it is not just a “guarantee” that the “government” will NEVER interfere, it call to DUTY that everyone go armed at all times in defense of ourselves, our families, and our country.
      Oh, and the definition of “arms” in 1775 was “any MILITARY STYLED WEAPON that can be fielded by a crew of three men, or fewer” – why do you think there are cannon on the square of almost every town in the original 13 colonies? The cannon are there because they were part of the NORMAL equipment of the militia.

  18. most gun owners will sign a petition, make a call or write a letter but not all of us can afford a donation, which is the only option for some organizations. I donate when I can and belong to a few organizations myself.i know when I see an ad on TV or link to a petition online I immediately call or sign on. I think if more options were givin to those who cant donate, 80,000 would turn into millions.

  19. I don’t care if the BATFE studies it until Hell freezes over, they Still won’t have any Authority to Ban ANYTHING having to do with Firearms, including ammunition.

    Just what IS it about some people, who fail to comprehend the meaning of the words; ‘The Rights of the People to Keep and Bear Arms Shall NOT be Infringed.’ anyways ?

    It is the ONLY Constitutional Amendment with the words ‘Shall Not be Infringed’ declared imperatively therein.

    At any rate, the Bill of Rights did NOT ‘Grant’ us Any rights, but instead Codified certain pre-existing, naturally occurring, inalienable rights, into the basis of all our laws; the US Constitution, in order that these inalienable rights might never be taken away from us.

    Any concerned with the inclusion of the preceding words ‘A well trained Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,’ can chill out, as the ‘Militia’ refers to All of the people, from 16-60 and ‘well regulated’, in the nomenclature of the times, meant ‘well trained’.

    In fact, to bolster this argument, the ‘Militia Act of 1903’ created the ‘Unorganized Militia’, to be comprised of all males, of military age and veterans, up to age 60 (considered to be old age at the time), who were expected to obtain weapons and ammunition, of a type commonly used in military service, in case they should be called out, by their State’s Governor, or their County Sheriff, for whatever legal reason deemed necessary. This law is still in effect, to this day, making virtually all of us members of a militia, whether we’re in favor of such, or not.
    The Civilian Marksmanship Program was created about the same time, to ensure that the US would always have a contingent of persons who were trained and proficient in the use of arms, in case there should be future wars.

  20. Just remember, if Hillary Clinton becomes
    President, Pres. Clinton banned the AR’s
    She will start with more rifle bans, its
    always the Democrats trying take away
    2nd Amend. Rights (DICTATORSHIP)
    Will Bill invite Monica back to White House?

  21. It was reported by FOX NEWS that the
    newly appointed man at the ATF has
    resigned on Friday afternoon.

    To me it seems he may have been FIRED!!

  22. If any one noticed the newly appointed man at
    the ATF resigned from his position on Friday.
    Unless someone FIRED HIM because of inaction
    on Bullet Ban!!

  23. as everyone forgotten that the purpose and intent of the second amendment is to keep the populace on par with the government run military forces to prevent those forces from the oppression of the populace. The government (aka a wanna be dictator) does not want us to defend ourselves from government forces and can prevent our defense by denying us weapons and or ammunition.
    Its not just Obama but a large cadre of like minded bureaucratic intellectual thugs that want to enslave us to be good little obedient citizens

  24. It’s a small victory for gun rights, but Obama won’t stop with there.
    We need to keep up the fight, not just till he’s out of the whitehouse, but allways!
    The closet socialist will not stop infringing on our rights till we have none left, and they’ll use any and all means to do so.

  25. Has anyone noticed that the BATFE has not considered looking at scientific data? They have , however pissed off the FOP and most all police departments, attorneys general, and a plethora of high state officials because it is what is used as training ammunition. Constituents, gun advocates or not, WILL be hit with higher taxes to cover the increased costs of mandatory training and qualifications. Reach into any voter pocket and the only thing you will find is vengeance at the polls..

  26. Please read and contemplate the meaning of the words: “Government of the people, for the people, by the people.” Then ask yourself who the hell do they think they are that they shall decide what we the people can or cannot have. Furthermore, stop with the “for hunting or sporting purposes” line. The ammo is for protection against the government should that become necessary, so do they really want us using hollow points and soft tips???

  27. Folks, left-leaning, tree-hugging, fish-kissing baby-killers WILL NOT stop until ALL ammo and ALL guns are banned. “They” have tried banning lead shot because “millions of birds are dying” which of course they could NOT prove. But when emotions run amuck, reason takes a back seat. I DO wish that retailers would STOP emphasizing that M855 is “Light Armor Piercing” (LAP) even if it is, STOP giving the “lefties” information that they can use on the ignorant uninformed masses.

    1. Point well put. We’re our own worst enemies with the use of improper nomenclature, such as “assault” rifles and someone who was killed “by” a firearm as opposed to “with ” one.

    2. Agreed, Blade.

      Gun enthusiasts know what it is, but the lefties are too uninformed and too ignorant to know unless we tell them.

      Personally, I don’t use Green Tip for much of anything, but I will not give the gun grabbers an inch because it will soon become a mile.

  28. The law states the government is forbidden to prevent citizens from arming for battle. If they ban XM855 it won’t be too hard to convert hardball into tungtsen core. I am glad that the ATF is rviewing their policy which is irrelevant. Their agents are seriously outnumbered. WRight now I just have better things to do than buy XM855 since I have over 1500 rounds. What is more important is my preference for the 1000 550 grain Hornady VMax. Supposedly neck shots and head shots do more damage than a ss109 style projectile. Meanwhile my Hornady 75 grain hoolowpoints are also likely more deadly alternative.

  29. Well, I don’t find anywhere in my copy of the Constitution that ammunition must be primarily intended for sporting purposes. And would that be ammunition we ignorant masses are “allowed” to buy, or does it apply across the board, thereby assuring equal protection under the law?

  30. More study means.. Continue to stockpile M855 so that someone amongst us can continue to get a ‘kickback’. Maybe we can instigate a ‘run’ on ammo since we over produced and using simple supply and demand the profit margin is going down.

  31. “More study” means “put on the back burner until the heat is off” and then “implemented next time without public input like the AK74 ammo.”

    1. We need more study on WHY WE EVEN HAVE AN ATF!! Corrupt, lying, communist a.h. traitors! disband them and save millions!!

  32. The government should be glad that people are willing to buy-up surplus ammo. If taxpayers didn’t buy it up the government would have to pay someone to destroy old surplus ammo. As if Obama has any extra cash to do that. The real issue with the green tip ammo is actually related to the economy. The US economy is about to go the way of the Soviet Union. When that happens banks will close, huge job loss, civil unrest and violence and that is when Obama will demand so called temporary turn in of private firearms to keep the peace….. but you will never see them again. I believe some people actually want the economy to tank so that that scenario plays out.

    1. When the dollar fails, and it will very soon, you are going to see something like the world has never seen before. There is going to be so much crime and your only hope is your stockpile of food, supply of ammo, and supply of cash in hand (not in the banks).
      Obama knows it is coming, BATFE knows it is coming, and Congress knows it is coming and they don’t have anyway of stopping it.
      As far as armor piercing ammo goes, most anyone who has a deer rifle has gun and ammo which is armor piercing. IE: Probably the most popular hunting caliber, 30-06, with standard ammo is armor piercing. If you doubt it ask your gunsmith, just don’t ask a politician.

    2. When the dollar fails your cash will be worthless, better to have silver and gold 🙂 But yes the experts are saying we’re about to see a economic crash this Sept. Silver and gold is down right now, its time to jump on.

      Cash is only worth something right now because they say it is.

      Purchase as much ammo as you can right now. This was just a testing ground, now they have over 80,000 people to investigate and they know who has the weapons because of the wonderful “comment period” they allowed. Even if they didn’t give their real name, they have your IP address.

      M855 booyah!

  33. You can multiply the number of emails BAT F gets by re posting a link to this on other blogs you follow. The Feb 14 story I re posted to 3 other blogs have had over 2000 views. Some may not have known about the problem. The left does this,so can we. It is faster than calling everybody you know.

  34. yes, “more study”. atf needs to sift thru the 80k responses in order to map out a new assault that will avoid all the objections received. their own press release states “ah’ll be bahck.”

  35. The attacks by Obama on our gun rights is only a tip of the iceberg. We are being attacked on virtually every front, including a weakened military and with the immigration issues. I suppose I could go on but you get the idea!

    1. Right now over half of of the population depends on the government in some form for financial assistance. This includes persons getting social security,medicare, medicaid programs of various sorts, wealthfare programs, retirees, government empolyees, etc
      The taxes collected from the rest of the population goes to pay for those people. For the last few years the government has been bringing immigrants into the country at an unbelieveable rate and they all get put on welfare and get free rent on an apartment. If this continues there won’t be anyone left in eastern europe. It seems like our government cares more for those immigrants than people who have lived here their entire life. We have homeless people on the streets and yet you keep bringing in more immigrants.

    2. Bearman,
      The reason for the immigrants, is votes for the Dems. &
      cheap labor for Rep. And dont forget a lot of them get a free
      phone & 250 free minutes a month. And one company that supplies
      the phone is from MEXICO!!
      The same country that held the MARINE!!

  36. Sorry, but this is a temporary victory. Do not become complacent., The government that was intended to protect and serve the people, has changed into the government that seeks to control the people.

  37. One word, Chicago. Last year nearly 600 people were killed by people using an inanimate object called a gun. Gun free cities only get law-abiding citizens killed. Criminals will always have any guns and any ammo they desire. When will the “intelligent” people that make the laws open their eyes? It’s not about saving lives, it’s about control.

  38. Don’t trust em..
    Like Congress when we opposed their raises Congress held a secret vote amongst themselves to vote in a raise..
    The BATFE is not above imposing rule changes under whim without scientific study Or any other bona fide reasoning.

  39. Dont get overjoyed yet keep pounding them with petitions and e mails and phone calls we have won a brief victory this is just the first step in saying ALL centerfire rifle ammo is a threat and should be banned ,be smart and keep the pressure on we have less than 2 yrs left do not let up now we will win the W H back to the people but we have to stay vigilant .MOLON LABE. vote smart not because they are good talkers.

  40. I’m elated at this great news. I’m also very well aware the closet-communist will be back for more. Corrupt politicians never learn.

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