By now, everyone in the firearms community should be aware of President Obama’s desire to reinstate the assault weapons ban if reelected. President Bill Clinton signed the original assault weapons ban into law in 1994. It deemed certain makes and models illegal, as well as certain cosmetic features, such as pistol grips and telescoping stocks. If you owned an ‘assault weapon’ before the ban, it was automatically grandfathered, however, manufacturers could no longer make guns with certain characteristics. Due to supply and demand, the assault weapons ban drove firearms and magazine prices sky high. Pre-ban magazines sold up to four times its original selling price. For example, Glock-factory 12-round magazines were $100 a pop. Today, a Glock 17 factory magazine that holds 17 rounds retails for less than $25. To learn more about the original Assault Weapons Ban, Will the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban be Reinstated?
The ban expired September 2004, but California, Connecticut, Illinois, District of Columbia, New York and New Jersey still have assault weapons bans on the books. In fact, New York’s law bans any “…semi-automatic version of an automatic rifle, shotgun or firearm.” Three years ago, 500,000
AR-15s were manufactured. It is the most popular rifle in the United States. If you own one for home defense, hunting or even just for fun, during a new assault weapons ban, your AR-15 might just be illegal.
The assault weapons ban will be based on firearms that the government sees fit only for “…the battlefields of war,” based on certain visual characteristics, not how the gun functions.
Congress passed the original Assault Weapons Ban in 1994. Rumor has it our present Congress does not show support for reinstatement of the ban, however President Obama can use an executive order and bypass Congress all together. After all, as of October 2012, President Obama has already issued 140 executive orders.
We know what the old assault weapons ban looked like, but what would a new, federal assault weapons ban include? No doubt it would ban AR-15s and AK-47s. If we look at what the gun control lobby has pushed recently, high-capacity magazines, incredibly high taxes on firearms and ammunition, limits to the number of firearms you can purchase in a month, microstamping, closing of private transactions and gun show sales, and a cease to mail-order ammunition sales.
I examined the states’ laws that currently have an assault weapons ban in place and drew my own conclusions about what President Obama’s assault weapons ban could look like: • A federal register of your firearms • Ban on .50 BMG • No private sales of firearms • Limitation on the amount of ammunition you can possess • Microstamping • Limitations on how many guns you may own • Class III items such as machine guns, suppressors, and short-barreled rifles would become illegal • Ban on handguns • Magazine capacity limits • National FOID cards (like Illinois’ Firearms Owners Identification Card) • No mail order ammunition. Ammunition would have to be bought in person • Up to a 500 percent tax on firearms and ammunition • No importation of firearms or firearm parts • Gun length, size and weight restrictions Due to these restrictions competition rifles, pistols and shotguns would be deemed illegal. The shooting sports would drastically change. 3-gun, IDPA and USPSA rules and requirements would have to change. Hog hunting wouldn’t be half as fun with a five-round, bolt-action Remington. Many of America’s legendry and most popular guns made by Colt, Bushmaster, and Thompson would be illegal—even the Ruger Mini-14. Connecticut’s assault weapons ban specifically states the
Ruger Mini-14 with folding stock is a banned firearm.
Looking at President Obama’s history as a United States Senator from Illinois, his legislation could possibly pave the way to more than just the banning of assault weapons. In the past, President Obama supported: • Banning the sales of semi-automatic firearms • Requiring gun manufacturers to provide child safety locks • Banning the manufacture of handguns • Sponsoring a bill allowing only one handgun purchase per month • Limiting where gun stores can be located • Banning the purchase of guns at gun shows • Lawsuits against gun manufacturers • Banning concealed carry (in 2004, President Obama said, “I continue to support a ban on concealed carry laws.”) • Increasing licensing fees to obtain a Federal Firearms License (FFL) • Passing a class before purchasing a firearm • Gun manufacturers developing technology allowing only the original purchaser of a gun to fire the weapon • An exorbitant amount of tax of ammunition and firearms Unfortunately, we have an extremely biased and uneducated media that perpetuate lies about firearms and skew facts. While the truth—according to Gun Facts—is that assault weapons are used in less than one percent of all homicides.
The old assault weapons ban was more a symbolic gesture of power. A new assault weapons ban will be more about true control.
What do you think would be on Obama’s assault weapons ban? Tell me in the comment section.
Don’t be so sure that “banning people” won’t happen! After all our president has said, many times that he wants to decrease America’s population. How do you think he wants to do that? If he starts the 2nd American revolution, he may get what he wants! It will be unfortunate for him if he starts all-out war in this country as most of his Democratic supporters will end up being a great deal of the depopulated!
Kim Curtis
January 22 at 12:06am ·
The following is the letter to congress I have composed and sent opposing the latest “Assault Rifle Ban of 2016”:
I just updated my letter and have now sent it to Rep. Lummis and Senators Enzi and Barrasso.
I must say I’m appalled by the lack of understanding that the sponsors of this legislation have! I suppose, in the current political climate, I shouldn’t be surprised.
Are there really leaders in Congress who actually BELIEVE that this “LAW” will have any effect on crime? It would seem that those who have sponsored this misguided legislation have done little if any of their own research into the numbers of rifles, let alone “assault rifles” that are used in violent crime in our country. Most of the semi-automatic handguns and shotguns listed are not used in the commission of violent crimes, or crimes of any kind. One look at the FBI’s own statistics will clue the clueless in to the ACTUAL figures regarding violent crime where firearms are used! The figures have been exhaustively researched and they tell a much different tale than what these folks are trying to foist upon the rest of the politicians in Washington.
Are ANY of these people really out to reduce violent crime? OR are they playing partisan politics, going along with our fearful leader who WANTS to disarm the law abiding citizens of this country? This is an honest question I really want to know the answer to.
Don’t these people realize that they will create a SECOND American Revolution if this legislation passes? OR, again, is that what they want so that martial law can be declared, our president can declare that he will be doing another term and he can drastically reduce America’s population?
Don’t they realize that this law will be a MAJOR violation of the trust the American citizens have placed in their hands, not to mention also a MAJOR violation of the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America? Is this bill even Constitutionally legal?
If these politicians would research the laws, both Federal and State, regulating the purchase and ownership of firearms of any kind, they would find that, if, these laws were enforced, as required by law that they would not need ANY more laws regarding firearms.
Law abiding citizens follow the law! Criminals don’t! My point is, go after the CRIMINAL, NOT the law abiding citizen where laws like this will make him/her a criminal.
I oppose H.R. 4269 Assault Weapons Ban of 2015 because…IT WILL, IN NO WAY deter crime. The weapons listed as “assault weapons” are NOT assault weapons! Assault weapons are FULLY AUTOMATIC and are already regulated by LAW! THE AVERAGE, RUN OF THE MILL CITIZEN CANNOT OWN A FULLY AUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPON WITHOUT FILING THE APPROPRIATE PAPERWORK, PAYING A $200 (tax stamp) fee and be subject to all BATFE rules including, being, at any time able to immediately produce said weapon upon demand by the authorities!
All this ridiculous law will do is make law abiding citizens, outlaws!There is no way our government can adequately enforce confiscation of all these weapons, nor will the American citizenry let confiscation occur. What this law, if passed WILL do is cause a revolution that will make the original revolution of colonial times look like child’s play!
If the true purpose of this law is to destroy our nation, it will succeed!
Our mation including all of the State laws has more gun related laws than any other country on the planet!~ The laws that are currently on the books, if enforced, are more than enough to curb violent crime, dramatically! However, there are so many laws that they cannot be enforced. THAT is why violent crime abounds!
If congress would take a look at the REAL statistics, those compiled by their own FBI, they would find that very little violent crimes are committed by rifles, semi-automatic or otherwise and that the crimes committed using semi-automatic handguns continue to be less each year, especially in areas/States where concealed carry laws are in force.
I submit to you that this law is not to reduce violent crime by firearms but is designed to disarm the American citizens of the means to defend themselves from criminals and perhaps more importantly in this day and age, defend themselves from a tyrannical government hell bent on controlling all parts of our lives.
It must be remembered that criminals, by definition, pay no attention to the law. If you remove firearms from law abiding citizens, criminals will still be able to obtain them and will still commit the violent crimes this law purports to stop.
PLEASE do not pass this law or any law that will disarm law abiding citizens and remove from them their means of self defense from the REAL criminals.
It is proven that law abiding gun owners stop more violent crime, without bloodshed than do our valiant police men and women!
Please, Senator Enzi, try to find the time to answer these questions. I know you are quite busy, but I’d like to know where Wyoming’s representatives stand on this most important matter
Thank you for all you do for Wyoming!
Best wishes,
Kim T. Curtis
If Democrats do everything you listed above, there will be the biggest blood bath this century, metaphorically speaking at the ballot box or literally speaking in the streets.
This could trigger a full-blown coup. Right wehen Obama is bringing in more terrorists, gang members, convicted murderers, hew wants to take away our right to defend ourselves.
This will spell the end of the Democrat party if they try any of this crap.
As unlawful executive agencies scour the internet for comments such as those made here, it is their aim to ensure we the people do not have the ability to fight our oppressive and ever growing, ever controlling federal monstrosity.
I have never seen a gun kill anything without someone behind it. I think we should ban people.
The old statement that guns don’t kill people, people kill people, is absolutely true. No firearm ever woke up, decided to go nuts and kill a bunch of people.
An AK, AR, so what? How about shotguns? Saw that baby off to legal length, pack in a few 00’s and be damned if anyone will advance on you.
Outlawing specific guns is flat out naive and stupid. Say hello to a huge underground market.
I own an old AK and it’s just a fun collectable thing to have. I have visual problems and hanging a few add-ons may make it look more “military” but without I could hit a barn. I’d need this for any firearm in order to hit anything!
Outlawing firearms is political, soothing to the sheep.
Focus on causation, get to the root of society’s problems, stop taking the easy way out and blaming firearms.
Outlaw nails and pressure cookers. Outlaw nitrogen fertilizer and diesel fuel. Everyday items are and can be far more dangerous in the hands of criminals than any firearm.
THE WEAPONS THEY BAN ARE FOR PROTECTION US FROM GOVERNMENT TYRANY NOT THUGS IN THE STREET.
This will make the biggest firearm black market you’ve ever seen. Not to mention possible social unrest and hell, i might just kill myself.
In a free society there will be tragedy! It is sad what has happened in this society with killing children and innocent people; however, the ban of a certain type of firearm due to its appearance will not change the outcome of those who wish to do harm to others.
I can remember my first toy gun (cap). I remember pointing it at my brother. This was the last time I pointed a gun at anyone until I joined the Military and later became a Law Enforcement Officer and was trained with simunitions. My father took the toy gun and broke it on me. I was taught that no gun – not even a toy gun – is supposed to be pointed at another person. When I began pointing guns it was for training purposes only in a controlled environment. What I see today with today’s youth is video games that promote killing, paint-ball competitions where kids shoot each other, and now air-soft guns used to shoot each other. We also have a media that continues to broadcast and emphasize these ruthless killings. I see a system broken – where a criminal can be released after 20 years of prison (after bludgeoning his grandmother) to obtain a weapon to kill firefighters in the Rochester, NY area. Those who released this person should be fired or jailed. The woman who purchased the weapon should go away for the straw-purchase for murder. I see a pedophile released to kidnap a woman – stab her to death – rape her 10 year old daughter. Why is this maggot allowed to roam?
What these so-called leaders don’t look at is the States with some of the highest gun restrictions have the highest gun issues. Those States that seem to be democratic (NY & CA) and very liberal; which should be more generous on individual rights have the least rights given to the people (based on a recent survey). What is shocking is Diane Feinstein who believes she has the right to take your firearm away carries a concealed handgun – Ok for her but not anyone else. Two-face Sylvester Stallone has made millions of dollars promoting gun violence in his movies but he has no problem banning your firearms.
I am an avid collector of firearms and enjoy shooting them. I have competed in blackpowder competitions, attempted skeet shooting, 6 years with USPSA and recently attempting to get involved with IDPA. Those that I shoot with who own some of these now so-called illegal firearms in NY are law-abiding citizens who have been made to be criminals. They are hard working farmers, police officers, lawyers, engineers, fire-fighters, judges, military, store keepers, etc., who enjoy these so-called firearms that the Cuomo’s deem “DANGEROUS”. Well, Ted Kennedy’s car is more dangerous! Idiot Joe Biden is more “DANGEROUS”; especially, when he informs people to shoot through a door or women need to shoot shotguns because the AR15 is to dangerous for them.
These people passing these laws have no idea what they are doing. I believe the M1 Benelli is a fine example of their stupidity. It comes with a straight stock or with a pistol grip stock. The pistol grip is illegal so just get the straight stock — same gun without the pistol grip. This is how assinine these people are. Another issue is they don’t seem to want to compare the ratio of automobile deaths/injuries per capita to that of firearms deaths/injuries per capita.
I recently heard an anti-gun person say the first amemdment says it will not be abridged but it is – e.g. can’t say fire in a crowded building when there is no fire // can’t utter death threats // can’t slander/libet. Therefore, they say the first amendment has been abridged. Therefore, if the first amendment can be abridged the second amendment can be infringed – e.g. criminals can’t possess firearms. All I want to say to this is those issues that have been abridged are acts that occurred and are dangerous. The infringement of a criminal is due to their prior actions. However, removing firearms lawfully owned by lawful abiding citizens when they have not done any illegal act is unconstitutional.
Therefore, if you want my AR15 — pay me its rightful value prior to you devaluating it (that will be $2000) — and pay every person in this country for theirs too. But to take my property or to make me a criminal for having property without due cause is outright illegal. To pay neighbors (NY PUSHING THIS) to expose their neighbors who are in violation of the NY SAFE ACT is what the Nazi’s did to find the Jews.
Those in Office took an Oath to defend the Constitution not erode it. These representatives need to be arrested for violating the U.S. Contitution and be sued in Federal Court for violating each gun owner’s individual rights as a free man.
Amen!! Dave the government is going to do whatever they can to disarm us so we can’t fight period.
I am Canadian you have the second amendment the right to bear arms. I think with this Obama you are quietly loosing rights all along. AS FOR ASSAULT WEAPONS I want you to google ONTARIO GLOVE thats when a employee came in with a hunting rifle and killed his boss and fellow employees. This is what could happen in the UNITED STATES just because you ban a certain weapon it does not mean anything is solved, a piece metal is not doing the shooting its a person and if he cant use one weapon he will use another. Bans on a certain weapon is useless
Well Obama says that America is a war zone, that’s why he needs ndaa, and 30,000 drones in America with 7000 new machine guns and 1.5 billion rounds of non-nato hollow point ammo. (also wants to kill Americans with drones) who the hell is this guy at war with?
1. The problem with firearm advocacy is you hear a lot of “I’m not a dangerous gun nut” and “mortuus manus” in the same breath. If only those firearm enthusiasts saw the irony the way the unfair media who supposedly exploits every school shooting does, they might get some insight into our shared passion.
2. Magazine-fed weapons were designed with military intent. In one of its more familiar roles, the military kills people. Ergo, Sturmgewehr. A rose by any other name and all that. Fathers intended for us to defend against tyranny, I get that. But if Tyranny comes knocking with an M-2 or an Apache, I’ma put down my shotgun and reassess my options. See #3 for further details.
3. I have no preconceived notions about “cold dead hands.” I’ve got a lot more important things in life going on than a few guns.
4. Clinging to the 2nd Amendment as an excuse for maintaining weaponry is as folly as waiting for McDonald’s re-release of the McRib. Laws are written, rewritten. Slaves made and freed. Alcohol banned and restored. Times change, laws change. Adapt and overcome.
5. Ownership of weaponry boils down to 2 reasons only. We have guns either A) because we’re scared, B)because we think they’re awesome or C) a combination of both (or more rarely D, part of your profession). Try to live your life so your reason is only B.
What’s more important now is that NRA realize that most non-shooter Americans think LaPierre is a nut for a program to put shooter guardians in all the schools. Never mind that if makes at least a little sense, the NRA using that line and only that line, means that uninformed, ignorant anti-gun politicians and haters will be trying to make uninformed decisions. If the NRA,GOA, JPFO don’t step in and become part of the process, they will really screw up the process for all of us on guns, ammo, use and ownership. NRA is a political failure, they lost. No point in them losing more for us by tunnel vision.
O and merry x-mas! I’ll defend my rights with peace or Action, but they will be defended.
All im going to say is “COME AND TAKE IT”. Say NO to the N.W.O.!
Ive been reading the tin-foil hat there will never be a new AWB, all dated a month ago. Now the news is awash with anti-gun media, guns = death, gun nuts = killers, NRA = killers, PLEASE SAVE US FROM PEOPLE WITH GUNS!!! The people have been manipulated to BEG Obama for a total weapons ban on the American public. Legislation drawn up and to be decided on in days not months…….rushed while the emotion is hot not that the emotion can be toned down because the media wont let it constant coverage of shootings on every channel all day every day.
Welcome to the new America, RIP the land of the fee.
That crazy lady SHOULD have had her GUNS locked up so her Tard kid could’nt steal them. Its ALL her Fault Not BushMaster. Oh and did you hear who owns Bushmaster???
The California teachers union LOL isnt that Hilarious??
Eric Holder Illegally sent Military weapons to mexico where an American Border agent was killed with one of them. And now a Mexican Beauty Queen just recently was Killed by the same LOT of guns.
Wake up SHEEPLE. Im gonna laugh my ass off when all the losers who voted for Yomamma
are ALL standing in a soup kitchen waiting on their next meal from FEMA.
LOSERS
Damn… The truth hurts
Bravo!!!
I am going to be blunt and to the point and attempt to concieve my own message here without copying or repeating others talking points.
WARNING: This Post will not be politically correct nor attempt to imply it is.
My comments are my own and I take full responsibilty for what I say,
I am not going shy from the truth in my comments nor am I going to add
lace or ribbon.
Here we go; for one I would like to start by saying I feel great pain and anger over the brutal slayings of the children at Sandy Hook Elementary School in CT.
I think what he did was reprehensible and should be dispised by all who are good.
But this event nor Aurora, WI Sikh Temple, AZ Congresswoman, or even Columbine, should be cause for restricting the American right to own any gun they see fit.
I believe that Constitution of the United States is still worth something and is worth protecting. The 2nd Amendment makes clear its meaning and conveys it well to those who do not have ulterior motives and an extreme case of general ignorance.
I ask you does your employer, businesses you conduct business with or your neiehbors object to your possession of a firearm? If so they if in a capacity to actually restrain your right to do so. Are all along with your Federal and State appointed Representives of our I repeat “OUR” government have and and continue to violate the Constitution of the United States of America. Within the Second Admendment it states as follows:
“A well regulated miltia, being neccessary to the security of a free state , the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”
Now I must reiterate some key principals within this founding exerpt, first the Militia it does not mean any form of Government ordained armed forces if it had they would have used the term Continetal Army not militia, I personally love how this play on words and the what they meant argument is always the first out of the mouths of the ignorant. The people of 1776 were not ignorant nor stupid nor backwoods hillbillies. They were highly intelectual and well educated men attempting to become well educated free men. Second the right of the people means us the common man the voters the electorate, even if that electorate later decides it does not care to partake in its given freedoms then that becomes a personal choice with ones self and inner being not one of the Elected Officials pet projects. Its does not create anything other than that. Third to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. This is not a trivial exerpt it is the cold hard enduring fact.
It shall not be infringed period, not by your employer, not by your neiehbor, not by those you do business with, and surely not by the Elected Officials. You may elect em but they only have the right to perform their duty within the scope of the law, That law being the US Constitution. If what you want violates the Constitution then drop it, it should not go forward. The first 10 Admendments AKA the Bill of Rights trumps the Civil Rights Act your civil rights are subject to my interpretation my
GOD (or whatever deity or Astroid that smacked earth and made you) gave me the first 10 and it was incorporated into the Constitution intentionally. By the way no pun nor remark was intended following GOD it was my way of respecting the First Admendment and it protections towards Religion. They are refered to as God Given inalienablle rights.
Now to dive further into the solution to this whole mess. We all want a person or thing to point the finger at and blame, you should look in the mirror and point if you must it is all of our faults going back to inception of Mankind. I want to make a point to make clear I am not blaming you I am blaming me. It is the first step towards human accountabilty. Don’t blame others blame yourself and try harder. It began with Eve eating the Fruit and has to this point continued up until the Shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School.
you probably are asking yourself what you did wrong, well the short anwser may be nothing directly it is indirectly. It is the way you,I,we believe in not dispiplining our children, I did not say beating them with a bat or a belt buckle I mean good harsh corporal punishment for direspect and backtalk and sassing their elders. You then ask oh by what do you mean of of harsh corporal punishment well I mean that a childs mind is small and feeble and will find more fear than you might know in just thinking they will be switched or given 3 lashes across the buttocks. You never even typically have to follow though just a warning will typically solve your issues and if it keeps up then you follow through. You say to yourself why Mr your asking me to belt my kids and theaten them with oh knw the scary word VIOLENCE.
No I am asking you do to your kids what your great great and maybe one more great grand parents to their children. It built respect in quickly. And gave us the Greatest Generation. Yes I will admit some fruit cake will read this and go beat his child but that is not my fault it his/her fault for being worthless POS. I hope that if that is you that it is reading this know that if you do this I pray to the father that you be caught quickly and punished severly.
Second we must act as we desire our children to act they do by design follow the leader. If there father is a woman abusing alcholic piece of trash they will be presented with a model to model themselves. If the mother is a whorebag welfare suck gutter tramp her daughter will likely follow the leader.
However if the parents of these children are upstanding and firm then this will be the coarse likely chose. Even if you are extremly successful as an adult does not mean your a bad parent raising the next generation of sloughful gutter trash. My own father was a highschool dropout and by most a poor general laborer. But what most don’t know or care about more about that in a moment. Is that my father was born to family of 10 children in 1946 at the end of the depression era and where he lived they were so poor they didnt even notice the depression. he dropped out of school to work and feed the family due his father was terminaly ill. He did this until it looked brighter to enlist and go to war in Veitnam. Where he valently < I know it is likely mispelled< fought for his Nations principals and beliefs he never shierked a duty given and always accompilished it to great success. however upon returning home he was spit on and called things so sad it shall never be repeated by me. Though in the face of struggle and adversity he stil;l found work where others said none existed never took a hand out from the welfare line and never blamed others for his shortcoming only thanked god for the right to work hard get paid little and eat better than most of the world. He could qualify to this day for benifits he actually earned but will not take. He doesent feel entitled he feels thankful. I am 29 years old next week and am so very thankful to have had him as my guiding light and role model. I have work ethic that cant be beat and respect that cant be matched due I was brought up right… On the Otherhand you got some 18 year old POS following the examples of their parents playing Medal of Honor and got his hand out for a meal or roof over their heads they say they are American and entitled. hell if they are.
They are entitled to work, work hard put in double time for half pay if need be to keep their Counrty afloat not bleed it dry out of self pity. We built things like the Empire State Builing and the Hoover Dam, not to mention the Liberty Ships that won the Great War. We built the Panama Canal and the World Largest Steam Locomotive ever built in the world at Schenctty NY< I know I just can't remember how to spell that city's name< What I am saying is we need to teach our children what they can do not what they can't. I would have been Physically disiplined for even using the word CAN'T , WON'T, or saying I was incapible. I was told if you can't then you can't eat tonight. Or I could sleep without blankets. I would have been undeserving of the things people that said the words I CAN, I WILL, Send me more enjoyed. So with ths moral break down I speak of the only real solution is to cut entitlements to zero and say either you will or starve to death, you will or you sleep under yesterdays paper, you will or you will not reap the rewards of the I cans…..
To make clear this is not a rant is the truth I have seen with my own eyes
These problems have bespoke of are not colorblind ,nor Gender specific they are wide spread from the innercities to country farms. It is the new America the all about me America. It must be stopped by spreading the truth. We must do sometjing now if we believe we can save one admendment without first saving America we are all dead wrong.
???? “Well, Doctor, what have we got a Republic or a Monarchy?”
{A} “A Republic, if you can keep it.”
The response is attributed to BENJAMIN FRANKLIN—at the close of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, when queried as he left Independence Hall on the final day of deliberation…
There is no such thing as an “assault weapon”. It is a contrived term by liberals and ignoramuses. You are ignorant for even using it. You are talking about assault rifles. And the ones that were previously banned and are being considered for being banned again are not assault rifles. Assault rifles are ones that are capable of select-fire operation. Democrats and liberals appear to be afraid of anything that is black, has high-tech hole thingies, deadly pistol grips and sling-swivels and is scary looking. No surprises there with those racists. Stop spreading the ignorance.
Sincere condolences to the people of Newtown, Ct. Because a woman in Ct, failed to lock her guns away from a mentally challenged son, 28 people died. I’m a shooter and collector from way back in the day but continued crimes like that, kids being killed at Christmas,burn images into the general population and really damages the sport. All of us have to mindful of the impact this has on the general public and how it whittles away at support for 2nd Amendment rights. We love our kids. Obey the law, use your locks and safes. Don’t make it easy for whiners to restrict gun rights.
@Sivispace, I do not disagree with anything you said. I assume you were responding to someone else.
OEB for starters, the NRA stands up for the rights of law-abiding gun owners. Automatic weapons are heavily controlled and the NRA did not object to that. The cowards who shoot up public places are not using automatic weapons. Even in the case of this school shooting, the murderer used illegal guns. The same day, in China which has strict gun control, a maniac killed 20 children with a knife. Under the First Amendment, you have the right to say whatever you please. And I have the right to own firearms for defense of myself, my family and my liberty. Respect my rights and I will respect yours.
also look at the ban on drugs DOES THAT STOP KIDS FROM GETTING DRUGS HELL NO!
these past school shootings is bad and I’m sorry for these people and all their family but now it has gotten. obama. stired up again about the lives lost but to him its ok to murder babys in the womb
To (guns killchildre) if you we’re in a situation where you needed to protect your family from lets say a criminal with a large knife or blunt object and his intent was to do harm to your family what would you do then just lay on the ground close your eyes and hope you don’t feel the pain………I for one would rather have a means to protect my loved ones. Drugs kill more people a year then guns and our country wants to ban guns and make drugs legal……its just sick.
To the comment made by the moron Guns Killchildre,
I would bet my paycheck, that the worthless POS that did this despicable act was NOT an NRA member. You also may want to read a book by Lt. Col. (R) Dave Grossman titled “Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill”. You may also want to read any and all of his other books. Many friends my age talk about their years in elementary and middle school in which they brought their rifles to school to hunt after school. NOT ONE OF THEM went bonkers or ape sh!t and shot their classmates or teachers. Why, because of the values they were brought up with. They didn’t have video games where you get points from killing cops and despicable behavior is rewarded with points. I AM SURE that many of the people reading blogs from CheaperThanDirt would have given their left nut (or ovary) and even their life to stop that worthless POS that this horrible inhuman act.
I would have gladly given my life to save any of those children as I have a 10 year old in an elementary school and I would do anything I could do to save my child or any of her friends in a situation like that. So, HOW DARE YOU blame “NRA gun nuts” for the acts perpetrated from a low life POS like that.
You NRA gun nuts that protect the right to own automatic weapons have the blood of 28 more Americans on your hands. Hope you all rot in hell
I can’t believe some of the ‘Crazy’ that I am reading in the comments.
Here is what your special Romney did in 2004: Romney signs off on permanent assault weapons ban
“Deadly assault weapons have no place in Massachusetts,” Romney said, at a bill signing ceremony on July 1 with legislators, sportsmen’s groups and gun safety advocates. “These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense. They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people.”
Like the federal assault weapons ban, the state ban, put in place in 1998, was scheduled to expire in September. The new law ensures these deadly weapons, including AK-47s, UZIs and Mac-10 rifles, are permanently prohibited in Massachusetts no matter what happens on the federal level.
http://www.iberkshires.com/story/14812/Romney-signs-off-on-permanent-assault-weapons-ban.html
So whatever nut job here thinks Romney is pro assault weapons… think again.
Obama on the other hand hasn’t done shit against the 2nd Amendment other than help it dramatically thrive by his mere presence of being a liberal. The gun industry hasn’t thrived this well in the last Century.
And calling Obama a Socialist is so idiotic, I don’t even feel it deserves a response… But I will give one since it seems we have people that don’t understand what Socialism means. Socialism isa state where the government owns the means of production. In the USA, other than the friggin Post Office we don’t have socialist institutions.
So you don’t like Socialism? Fine than you can carry your own damn mail across the US for 45 cents.
I agree with Nombre…. You want to strengthen 2nd Amendment rights? Then educate friends, family, and immigrants coming to the USA how this is part of our culture, our traditions, our Right.
The anti-gun establishment wants to stereotype gun owners as being nuts, bigots, and conspiracy theorists. Some of the comments on this forum support that stereotype.
If we really want to protect gun rights, we need to reach out to immigrants, especially those from countries where citizens are not permitted to own guns. Show them how to shoot safely. Take them to the range. Make them into shooting enthusiasts who eventually will support the Second Amendment at the ballot box.
Next week I’m inviting a young guy from Egypt to go shooting. He immigrated with his young wife and child, became a citizen, and works six days a week in a convenience store. His religion is Islam. That’s right! He’s a Muslim. I’m not. That doesn’t matter. He is now a citizen of the United States and I want him to understand and learn to value the Second Amendment. I also want him to understand that most non-immigrant Americans are not xenophobic morons who judge others by their color, accent, or religion.
If we lose the Second Amendment, it won’t be because of Handgun Control, Inc. It will be because we failed to teach new citizens about their right to keep and bear arms. We will lose at the ballot box by the sheer number of people that we alienate by talking crazy and insulting people from other places and religions.
Who would feel comfortable voting for gun rights if his gun-owning neighbors fear and hate him just because he has a different religion or place of origin?
Thay will be some dead people around me before I give up my gun !!!
We are DOOMED! I am sure a ban will be instituted, but I can only imagine it’s extent. With Romney, we would have had a chance for positive change. With Obama and his cronies, we know we will get more of the same crap he’s thrown at us for the last 4 years. Probably worse crap, and much more of it. He is a socialist. We have seen how he thinks, and the lengths he is willing to go to institute his policies. Lying, cheating, and stealing are normal for his ilk. All we can do now is wait and see. We can always hope for impeachment.
For the gentleman who was convicted of marijuana possession: Check with an attorney in the state where you were convicted. You may be eligible to have the felony vacated, expunged or otherwise removed. The court that does that can also restore your firearms rights. As a bonus, you will regain your voting rights and your right to hold public office. God knows we need more pro gun voters and law makers.
Obastard didn’t “win” anything. He stole this election just as he did the one in 2008. There’s no need for further argument about any of this among us. When The Beast pulls off his mask and reveals himself, we’ll all know who was right.
We won’t say “I told you so” and we sure as hell won’t gloat. That ship sailed a long time ago. I suggest we all find the nearest FEMA Camps and start tunneling under them. Hide your guns and ammo there. In that way, maybe you’ll get to die like men, instead of like sheep.
YOU people (TEA Partiers excepted,) allowed our second “President-for-Life” to install himself yesterday. FDR was the first. The only difference is that this guy is younger and healthier so get used to hearing that irritating, clipped, fake-Ebonics, Chicago hustler voice every day for the next twenty years. The USA no longer exists as a Constitutional Republic. The Barbarian was at the gate and YOU let him in without a struggle. Shame on you. Shame on all of us for letting this happen.
Save your money, invest in gun stocks, because nothing is gonna happen but fools will go out and stockpile. Let them make you richer.
BTW, already purchased about 10,000 rounds from CTD. You never know…
People are going to start buying ammunition everywhere they can. After the 2008 election, I couldn’t find a box of ammo for the life of me! Walmart, Big 5 Sporting Goods, etc. All gone! I’m sure the same is going to happen how that Obama got re-elected.
Well, Obama won! Now what?
“He’s a ‘Muslim”
“He’s a terrorist”
“He’s a socialist”
“UN Troops”
“Black Helicopters”
(Not to mention atrocious spelling and grammar. Those little red squiggly lines under the words you just typed are not for decoration. They are underlining your incompetence.)
For the love of Pete, just chill out. Don’t give into the fear.
I find many of the comments here quite hilarious.
Romney and Obama both work for the same mafia banksters who own the major parties. It matters not who wins. IF there are more gun restrictions (doubtfull), it will be by order of the owners and obediently implemented by the president. The most likely route IMHO would be an open state of emergency, martial law and executive orders. The scenario is unlikely because it does not profit the owners. IF this unlikely scenario does happen, I would expect an “amnesty” period every so often (maybe even a buyback) followed by massive enforcement.
To those who say that police and military would not implement such orders because they are unconstitutional consider the following.
There is no constitutional authority for executive orders in peacetime that apply beyond the executive branch.
There is no constitutional authority for a standing army except in time of war as declared by Congress.
Wageing war without a Declaration of War by Congress is unconstitutional (Vietnam, Bosnia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya etc.). I’m a veteran of one of these actions myself.
THUS a large portion of the military is currently engaged in unconstitutional actions and are not bothered by it. Why do you suppose they would be bothered by additional unconstitutional duties?
The Second Amendment affirms the unrestricted right of the people to ARMS: ie. military weapons. Most military weapons are unconstitutionally banned or restricted under current laws. No one even questions laws forbidding, taxing and/or severely restricting grenades, claymore mines or machineguns, let alone heavy weapons. Even carry licenses are a restriction. I do not see any police hesitation in enforcing these laws. Why would confiscation laws bother them, as long as they got more manpower and a share of the loot??
“can you defend your family, your Bill of Rights, your Constitutional rights if not grow a pair and prepare” if your a felon you f#@&#% up that’s why your rights have been taken away. You can’t be responsible as a civilian because of your lack of civility, you then in turn lose some of your rights. You don’t have to vote for a Muslim socialist or a never worked a real days work in his life silver spoon totally disconnected from the common man. There is another you can vote for its the independent. Gary Johnson. Your vote counts tell your representatives who to vote for. If you don’t vote at all, your also the ones who would rather die on your knees. That’s my opinion. Suck them rocks of you got a problem. Michiganders can defend themselves others states need to follow its how you vote. If you can’t afford a more expensive rifle ie. Ar-15 uzi ak-47 get off your a%% and do something about it. NRA along with any other pro-gun rights club/organization for life. Our founding fathers didn’t lie down from there oppression you shouldn’t either. Communication and organization.
Jacob, classes eh.well my class was taught to me as a 7 year old by my father.i wanted a bb gun.he made me save my allowance money(3$)a week.i saved up 50$.he paid the rest.went and bought the one i wanted.i was so excited i couldnt wait to shoot it.we get home i take it out of the box.he hands me the safety and gun operation manuals.said here memorize these 2 manuals and once u can recite them back to me word for word then u can go shoot.
i have to confess i can see the point in some regulations, like taking a class before buying a gun and limiting mag capacities to around 60 rounds but the rest is ridiculous.
Why are you not mentioning the fact that Romney has stated that he also supports an AWB, and actually implemented one as governor? We are screwed either way, Romney is nothing more than a liberal with an (R) behind his name.
we as AMERICAN’S are not going to have our guns take n away ill die a free man before we turn into
a one world order
Both sides of this argument are retarded. Romney is no savior of this country, just another rich old white man hoping to get richer, and I’m white myself. The only thing people like about Obama is that he is a great public speaker; he makes you feel all warm and cute you just don’t want to admit it. Just like pot heads trying to legalize weed- “it’s good for you man.” No, it’s just the same as smoking, you’re just too much of a spineless dumbass to come right out and tell me “Hey, I like getting high and I think it shouldn’t be illegal”. Supporting either side is the equivalent of telling people you like it in the mouth or back door. It’s old, stubborn, idiot, biased zombies on one side, and pompous obnoxious ‘know whats best for YOU’ mutants on the other.
Furthermore, all this talk of “if they do that, then get ready for the revolu-“shut the f–k up. You are not fooling anyone, grandpa. If what is said in this article comes true you will do the same thing you have done for the past decade, sit there and take it and maybe mumble under your breath when it happens. You’re not going to fight anyone, you’re not going to stand up for jack. You are the same type of person in the bar who would tell me “if I was in Iraq man, I just kill’em all” No, you wouldn’t because you have no idea what you would do in that situation cause you never had to face it. You just spew out the same garbage the others do when someone mentions “confiscate” and “gun” in the same sentence.
Same thing with the “if they told me to confiscate, I’d refuse” No, you wouldn’t because you would be the only one with a legal firearm. Are you that dumb to actually throw out all those years of authority, the ability to work within the system, to legally carry what you want to protect yourself, the job itself when few are to be had anyway? No, because you are not stupid, and IF the time ever came you would know and remember all those things at once, fall in line, and do what you had to do. Just like every-single-person in this country has done thus far in this century.
All this talking about virtue and morality is utterly pointless. Who are you bolstering for on the internet? You know damn well what would happen and what you do yet you type out this crap as if you are trying to prove it to yourself as you try to prove it to others. I know better, and there are others, too. We are just a smaller portion of gun owners who have modern day common sense, and you’re not fooling anyone, the both of you.
HIDE YOUR GUNS AND AMMO NOW!
To Chew: No one is exempt from firearms restrictions and especially Muslims going into a gun store. Everybody gets to fill out the forms for BATF unless it’s a person to person sale. And no politician is dumb enough to try take away our guns, regardless of the lies FoxNews puts out. Congress will not allow it. Even when Obama wins, the Democratic Party won’t do it. I worry more about Mitt after what he did to Massachusetts. And we all know he is for sale. The Koch Bros, Karl Rove and Adelson, helped by Grover Norquist have already spent a billion bucks on him. He’s a switch hitter and can’t be trusted. His statement last week that Congress will not work with Obama is further proof that doesn’t care if we ever recover. He doesn’t have to care. His 6 per cent interest earned on each million he has, is $60,000 a month. And we don’t know how many million he has squirreled away in the Cayman Islands. The middle class can be eating bread and water and he’ll be making money hand over fist and playing with his Olympic horses, while you walk to work, if you still have a job, that is. You’d be selling your medical vouchers to feed your family.
Let me start by saying I’m a non-violent convicted felon. I got caught with a little over a lb of marijuana in 09, did my time, paid fines and fees and went to a half-way house for 6 month when I got out to ensure I didn’t fall back into my old ways. And FYI, I’ll be drug and alcohol free for 4yrs Feb 5th, 2013. Guns, hunting, and shooting were my life and passion before and now I can’t even touch them, let alone if another ban is in place I’ll never be able to shoot my weapons or keep them in my house. We’ve all made mistakes and bad choices, and now I can’t afford to get a lawyer. I’m sure I’ll get a shit storm of comments on this but oh well, I cant change the past. Just knowing how it feels not be able to hold my ARs, AK or Glocks kills me, and I just hope none of you have to go through it.
He doesn’t have to get re-elected…he can do it before January 20th
Number one I would like people who should know better to stop calling semi autos assault weapons. They certainly are not! Number two vote this jerk out of office because this guy is a real existing threat to our Constitutional rights. I heard liberals tell me face to face that he was not coming for my 2A rights and he has made it abundantly clear that those are his intentions . We must educate those who have been misinformed about the semi-auto firearm,and it needs to start with us who know better than to call our weapons assault weapons.
You missed one thing in your article Romney is also pushing the assault weapons ban just as much if not more than Obama. Obama has yet do sign it in his last four years. I am not saying he will not but you fail to state that Romney is pushing for it as well.
The Second Amendment was never intended to “permit” certain weapons for sport or hunting. It is to allow the people to protect themselves against the Government. In order to do that, the People have the right (from their Creator, not from the Government,) to have parody with the Government, as far as weapons technology is concerned. Since most people cannot afford an APache gunship or an F-22, they have the right to own any weapon they wish (and afford.)
The words “Shall not be infringed” mean exactly that. They may not be limited in any way, shape, or form for citizens. An argument can be made that convicted felons are exempt from this Amendment but that’s for another day, another argument.
A government big enough to give you everything you need is also big enough to take everything you have.
Wise up People.
17 years ago, I ran afoul of Chicago’s gun ban and can no longer legally own a gun. I was carrying because a known gangbanger and shooter was running around making threats against my life. The cops told me, “Better tried by 12 than carried by 6”. I do not support any gun bans, or even any gun control laws of any kind. All they do is rape the innocent. Obama must go, as must any and all politicians who seek to subvert the 2nd Amendment.
I also support a ban on concealed carry laws. Probably not in the same way that President Obama does, though.
As usual in life the correct answer in somewhere in the middle. The answer to our national debt is BOTH tax increase and a reduction in spending. Just like conservatives did before Newt and the Neo-Conservatives. Remember Regean increased taxes 11 times to pay for increased government spending (hello Military, hello B1B) He realized that military spending is an effective form is stimulus that increases revenue by putting people to work, however it must be paid for my someone.
Mit lost my vote in the first debate when he said no tax increases on the rich. Sorry the math does not work. If one really cares about debt read “White House Burning”
“God help us all if Obama is reelected. He will reduce us all to criminals based on our gun ownership. Stand tall, stand firm, and don’t let this despot and his UN army strip you of your rights.
God bless these United States of America.
Comment by Vindex — November 4, 2012 @ 8:13 am”
if we are reduced to criminals just for having guns, fear of jail won’t be a deterrent.
“Allow me to introduce some logic… The reality is that who ever is elected we are likely going to have some form of AWB. Keep this in mind. Romney signed one in MA and Obama opened the right to carry in national parks. IMHO actions speak louder then words.
Being that I am both firearms owner and a presidential historian I can tell you that President Clinton has publicly said and wrote in his book that he regrets the AWB. He says it did little to stop violent crime and distracted is administration from working on much more important issues. I am not a a fan of the NRA however in the case of the Clinton AWB, there message was effective and long lasting…”don’t mess with gun rights”
I am a conservative voting for Obama. Romney is has a bad economic policy and his plan will greatly increase national debt. My hope is that conservatives take back the GOP and stop the racing each other to extremist policies. Tea party/FoxNews/Don Trump is the problem, not the solution.
Comment by JUSTIN — November 4, 2012 @ 11:22 am”
without Fox News we wouldn’t know about Fast and Furious cover-up, the Lybia cover-up, nor would we have gotten to hear nancy say that to read the obamacare bill it had to be passed first, etc.
I will agree with you that romney isn’t going to follow the constitution but it is a good bet that he will probably violate it less than obama. And he does actually know how to balance a budget – we have a govt spending too much problem, NOT a taxing/regulating too little problem. The tea party gets that.
I also agree that Constitution loving people need to retake the gop. Just look at who the gop put forward as candidates in the last 6 elections, except ron paul.
Allow me to introduce some logic… The reality is that who ever is elected we are likely going to have some form of AWB. Keep this in mind. Romney signed one in MA and Obama opened the right to carry in national parks. IMHO actions speak louder then words.
Being that I am both firearms owner and a presidential historian I can tell you that President Clinton has publicly said and wrote in his book that he regrets the AWB. He says it did little to stop violent crime and distracted is administration from working on much more important issues. I am not a a fan of the NRA however in the case of the Clinton AWB, there message was effective and long lasting…”don’t mess with gun rights”
I am a conservative voting for Obama. Romney is has a bad economic policy and his plan will greatly increase national debt. My hope is that conservatives take back the GOP and stop the racing each other to extremist policies. Tea party/FoxNews/Don Trump is the problem, not the solution.
God help us all if Obama is reelected. He will reduce us all to criminals based on our gun ownership. Stand tall, stand firm, and don’t let this despot and his UN army strip you of your rights.
God bless these United States of America.
If you are muslim you are exempt of all firearm restrictions.
The way I see it,these enemies of the Constitution of these United States of America,ARE creating the battleground for these weapons to operate in.Lock n Load Brothers and Sisters.
Two words: Civil War.
This time the tyrant (Lincoln) will not win.
ummm…. the second amendment says we have a right to ‘keep and bear ARMS’
if you look at the etymology of the word ‘arms’ it means the weapons of armies NOT JUST firearms. In modern terms it would include rockets, missiles, drones, aircraft carriers, nuke powered subs, tanks, howitzers, knives, swords, throwing stars, etc.
From Noah Webster’s first dictionary (the first def ref to anatomy) “arm
‘ARM, n. [L. armus, an arm, a shoulder, a wing; armus is directly from the Gr. a joint, it would seem to be formed from Gr. to fit.]
1. The limb of the human body, which extends from the shoulder to the hand.
2. The branch of a tree, or the slender part of a machine, projecting from a trunk or axis. The limbs of animals are also sometimes called arms.
3. A narrow inlet of water from the sea.
4. Figuratively, power, might, strength; as the secular arm. In this sense the word is often used in the scriptures.
To whom is the arm of the Lord revealed. Isa. 53.
‘ARM, v.t. [L. armo; arma.]
1. To furnish or equip with weapons of offense, or defense; as, to arm the militia.
2. To cover with a plate, or with whatever will add strength, force, or security; as, to arm the hilt of a sword.
3. To furnish with means of defense; to prepare for resistance; to fortify.
Arm yourselves with the same mind. 1Pet. 4.
‘ARM, v.i. To provide with arms, weapons, or means of attack or resistance; to take arms; as, the nations arm for war.
This verb is not really intransitive in this use, but reciprocal, the pronoun being omitted. The nations arm – for, the nations arm themselves.”
“Latin
Etymology
From Proto-Indo-European *h₂(e)rmos (“fitting”), from the root *h₂er- (“to join”). armentum is an independent derivation from the same root, as if from Proto-Indo-European *h₂er-mn̥-tom. Cognates include Sanskrit ऋत (ṛtá, “order; right; agreement etc.”) and अरम् (áram, “fitting”), Ancient Greek ἀραρίσκω (ararískō, “to fit together”) and Old Armenian արարի (arari).
Semantic development was “that what is fitted together” > “tools” > “weapons”. Also related to ars, artus, rītus.
Noun
arma (genitive armōrum); n pl, second declension (plural only; not used in singular form)
defensive arms, armor/armour, shields, weapons of war.
war
soldiers, military power
defence
tools”
firearms were used in the revolutionary war and the founders had no intention of limiting us to just rifles and pistols. they had every intention of letting us own the same “weapons of war”(see above etymology) the military used. Please note all the militia/military lingo
scoff if you will but where did the newly formed government of the confederacy get their ‘battleships’ to fight the union navy? that’s right, merchants – privately owned ships full of mounted cannons intended to wage war at sea. they used those ships to protect their merchant ships and Gen George Washington used privately donated cannon to fight the british. I am sure he didn’t forget how those donations saved his bacon – they couldn’t afford to buy food much less cannons.
what good is a second amendment if it doesn’t give the citizens the power to resist the government? Quit playing small ball over just firearms, what is at stake is bigger than that.
I’d also encourage everyone to understand what the phrase “to keep” meant at that time. It does not just mean ‘allowed to own’ as it has been reduced to.
The problem with the South Korean M1 rifles is that South Korea wanted to sell them on the open market. According to current law, all returned weapons from Greece, Germany, South Korea and other countries we lent them to, have to be returned to the Civilian Marksmanship Program at Anniston, Alabama. They will then be cleaned, repaired and tested before resale through CMP on their website or at the North Store at Camp Perry or the South Store in Anniston. There was a problem with Greek returns a few years ago because of wood worms in the crates. After a lengthy decontamination by U.S. Customs and port authorities, they were released to CMP and have all been sold through CMP. No other nation has failed to follow return regulations except South Korea, with the exception of Vietnam. Firearms left with the RVN forces were taken over by Communist Vietnam and those we will never see again.
That certain kind of person would be anyone with an I.Q. above room
temperature who had been paying the slightest bit of attention, because
Obamas actions as a legislator spoke volumes about his feelings on the gun
issue. Senator Obamas statements on the campaign trail werent any more
reassuring. For example:
Obama opposed a bill in the Illinois legislature which would have protected
homeowners from weapons charges if they used an illegal gun in self-defense.
In a primary debate in 2008, Obama the candidate stated that the second
amendment confers an individual right, BUT (theres always but where the
second amendment is concerned) the fact that it is an individual right does
not mean that the state or local government cant constrain the exercise of
that right. In addition, for a supposed constitutional scholar to state that
the Bill of Rights confers rights, rather than protects pre-existing rights
is also worrisome.
When running for the Illinois senate in 1996, Obama most assuredly did fill
out a questionnaire (despite his later claims that a staffer did it) in
which he unequivocally supported a ban on the manufacture, sale and
possession of handguns, a ban on the possession of assault weapons and
waiting periods before purchasing a firearm.
Need I mention the whole bitter clingers episode?
Although he claimed to respect the second amendment, he also said that the
D.C. gun ban (banning all handguns and operable long guns) was
constitutional. When pressed for his rationale, he said there was nothing
wrong with a community establishing their own reasonable, thoughtful gun
control measure[s] while still respecting the second amendment. Did you
catch that? A complete ban is his idea of a reasonable gun control measure.
In the Illinois legislature, he supported licensing and registering gun
owners as a measure to keep unlawful guns off the street. This purported
constitutional scholar was apparently unaware that the supreme court has
ruled that criminals dont need to register (and cant be punished for failing
to register) their guns because it would be a violation of their right
against self-incrimination.
In 2000 Obama cosponsored a bill to limit gun purchases to one per month
and in 2003 he voted in favor of HB 2579 which had the same one gun per
month provision.
According to a Chicago Defender article in December of 1999, Obama is
proposing to make it a felony for a gun owner whose firearm was stolen from
his residence which causes harm to another person if that weapon was not
securely stored in that home.
At an NAACP forum in 2007 Obama stated Weve got to make sure that
unscrupulous gun dealers arent loading up vans and dumping guns in our
communities, because we know theyre not made in our communities. What?!? Is
that what he really thinks? That federally licensed gun dealers are loading
up vehicles and selling guns out of the back in inner cities?
In the Illinois senate he supported a confiscatory assault weapons ban
which would have included semi-auto shotguns and even some pump, double and
single barrel shotguns.
As a Presidential candidate he called for passage of H.R. 6257, deceptively
titled Assault Weapons Ban Reauthorization Act of 2008 which would have
explicitly banned far more weapons than the Clinton AWB.
As a Senator, Obama voted against prohibiting lawsuits against gun
manufacturers and voted in favor of an amendment to that bill which would
have banned most rifle ammunition, under the guise of banning armor-piercing
ammunition.
As a Senator Obama did not sign the amicus brief supporting the individual
rights view in Heller v. DC.
Obama voted to ban gun stores within five miles of a school or park, which
would have eliminated most gun stores in America.
He supported legislation to close the gun show loophole which would have
imprisoned show organizers if a single person at a show offered a gun for
sale privately.
As a Senator, Obama stated he supported a federal ban on concealed carry
laws and as a Presidential candidate he told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review I
am not in favor of concealed weapons, Obama said. I think that creates a
potential atmosphere where more innocent people could (get shot during)
altercations. One more anti-gun Supreme Court Justice and the 2nd Amendment is done. 4 Justices say we have no individual right to guns or self defense. Vote for this imposter and we are done as a free country. Don’t cowtow the line and get on his kill list as a domestic terrorist. Vote for freedom.
Kevin you stated “Romney has already banned assault weapons in Mass. answer True”. This is , basically, a summary of the assault weapons ban you refer to and what GOAL (Gun Owners Action League, a Massachusetts gun advocate organization)has to say about “answer True”:
Chapter 150 of the Acts of 2004: An Act Further Regulating Certain Weapons
This is a perfect example of don’t believe in titles. The bill was the greatest victory for gun owners since the passage of the gun control laws in 1998 (Chapter 180 of the Acts of 1998). It was a reform bill totally supported by GOAL. Press and media stories around the country got it completely wrong when claimed the bill was an extension of the “assault weapon” ban that had sunset at the federal level. They could not have been more wrong. Unfortunately for the Governor, someone had also wrongly briefed him about the bill. As a result the Lt. Governor and the Governor made statements at the bill signing ceremony that angered GOAL members. The following is what the bill actually did:
1. Established the Firearm License Review Board (FLRB). The 1998 law created new criteria for disqualifying citizens for firearms licenses that included any misdemeanor punishable by more than two years even if no jail time was ever served.
For instance, a first conviction of operating a motor vehicle under the influence would result in the loss of your ability to own a handgun for life and long guns for a minimum of five years. This Board is now able to review cases under limited circumstances to restore licenses to individuals who meet certain criteria.
2. Mandated that a minimum of $50,000 of the licensing fees be used for the operation of the FLRB so that the Board would not cease operating under budget cuts.
3. Extended the term of the state’s firearm licenses from 4 years to 6 years.
4. Permanently attached the federal language concerning assault weapon exemptions in 18 USC 922 Appendix A to the Massachusetts assault weapons laws. This is the part that the media misrepresented.
In 1998 the Massachusetts legislature passed its own assault weapons ban (MGL Chapter 140, Section 131M). This ban did not rely on the federal language and contained no sunset clause. Knowing that we did not have the votes in 2004 to get rid of the state law, we did not want to loose all of the federal exemptions that were not in the state law so this new bill was amended to include them.
5. Re-instated a 90 day grace period for citizens who were trying to renew their firearm license. Over the past years, the government agencies in charge had fallen months behind in renewing licenses. At one point it was taking upwards of a year to renew a license. Under Massachusetts law, a citizen cannot have a firearm or ammunition in their home with an expired license.
6. Mandated that law enforcement must issue a receipt for firearms that are confiscated due to an expired license. Prior to this law, no receipts were given for property confiscated which led to accusations of stolen or lost firearms after they were confiscated by police.
7. Gave free license renewal for law enforcement officers who applied through their employing agency.
8. Changed the size and style of a firearm license to that of a driver’s license so that it would fit in a normal wallet. The original license was 3” x 4”.
9. Created stiffer penalties for armed home invaders
Please don’t make it sound like Mitt Romney is “anti gun”and Barack Obama is not. This is also in response to Dan McKinnon.
That “certain kind of person” would be anyone with an I.Q. above room temperature who had been paying the slightest bit of attention, because Obama’s actions as a legislator spoke volumes about his feelings on the gun issue. Senator Obama’s statements on the campaign trail weren’t any more reassuring. For example:
▪ Obama opposed a bill in the Illinois legislature which would have protected homeowners from weapons charges if they used an “illegal” gun in self-defense.
▪ In a primary debate in 2008, Obama the candidate stated that the second amendment confers an individual right, BUT (there’s always but where the second amendment is concerned) the fact that it is an individual right “does not mean that the state or local government can’t constrain the exercise of that right”. In addition, for a supposed constitutional scholar to state that the Bill of Rights confers rights, rather than protects pre-existing rights is also worrisome.
▪ When running for the Illinois senate in 1996, Obama most assuredly did fill out a questionnaire (despite his later claims that a staffer did it) in which he unequivocally supported a ban on the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns, a ban on the possession of ‘assault weapons’ and waiting periods before purchasing a firearm.
▪ Need I mention the whole “bitter clingers” episode?
▪ Although he claimed to respect the second amendment, he also said that the D.C. gun ban (banning all handguns and operable long guns) was constitutional. When pressed for his rationale, he said there was nothing wrong with a community establishing their own “reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure[s]” while still respecting the second amendment. Did you catch that? A complete ban is his idea of a reasonable gun control measure.
▪ In the Illinois legislature, he supported licensing and registering gun owners as a measure to keep unlawful guns off the street. This purported constitutional scholar was apparently unaware that the supreme court has ruled that criminals don’t need to register (and can’t be punished for failing to register) their guns because it would be a violation of their right against self-incrimination.
▪ In 2000 Obama cosponsored a bill to limit gun purchases to one per month and in 2003 he voted in favor of HB 2579 which had the same one gun per month provision.
▪ According to a Chicago Defender article in December of 1999, “Obama is proposing to make it a felony for a gun owner whose firearm was stolen from his residence which causes harm to another person if that weapon was not securely stored in that home.”
▪ At an NAACP forum in 2007 Obama stated “We’ve got to make sure that unscrupulous gun dealers aren’t loading up vans and dumping guns in our communities, because we know they’re not made in our communities.” What?!? Is that what he really thinks? That federally licensed gun dealers are loading up vehicles and selling guns out of the back in inner cities?
▪ In the Illinois senate he supported a confiscatory ‘assault weapons’ ban which would have included semi-auto shotguns and even some pump, double and single barrel shotguns.
▪ As a Presidential candidate he called for passage of H.R. 6257, deceptively titled “Assault Weapons Ban Reauthorization Act of 2008″ which would have explicitly banned far more weapons than the Clinton AWB.
▪ As a Senator, Obama voted against prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers and voted in favor of an amendment to that bill which would have banned most rifle ammunition, under the guise of banning ‘armor-piercing’ ammunition.
▪ As a Senator Obama did not sign the amicus brief supporting the individual rights view in Heller v. DC.
▪ Obama voted to ban gun stores within five miles of a school or park, which would have eliminated most gun stores in America.
▪ He supported legislation to “close the gun show loophole” which would have imprisoned show organizers if a single person at a show offered a gun for sale privately.
▪ As a Senator, Obama stated he supported a federal ban on concealed carry laws and as a Presidential candidate he told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review “‘I am not in favor of concealed weapons,’ Obama said. ‘I think that creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could (get shot during) altercations.’”
Barack Obama’s actions as President have done nothing to change our perceptions, either. On his first day in office, on the White House website, under “Urban Policy” we found this gem posted:
Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent.
See above regarding how little the Obama AWB resembed the Clinton-era AWB. When he talks about keeping guns away from children, what he’s really talking about are various blue-sky proposals to make guns “childproof.”
And who can forget the Obama Administration’s employment questionnaire Question 59: “Do you or any members of your immediate family own a gun? If so, provide complete ownership and registration information. Has the registration ever lapsed? Please also describe how and by whom it is used and whether it has been the cause of any personal injuries or property damage.”
Once Obama had settled into power, there were more ‘indicators’ of his anti-gun feelings:
▪ In March, 2009 the DoD ‘revised’ its policy on the disposal of once-fired brass. Instead of selling it to consumers and domestic agencies for reloading, all once-fired brass from the military would be shredded and sold as scrap. This policy was reversed fairly quickly after outraged shooters contacted their legislators and Senators Tester and Baucus (both D-MT) faxed a letter to the DoD asking them to change the policy. The fact that Senator Tester was Chairman of the Senate Finance Committee might have had something to do with the quick volte-face.
▪ The DHS report, Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment [.pdf] which cited as a key finding: “The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks.”
▪ In April of 2009, President Obama announced he wanted the Senate to ratify the Inter-American Convention Against The Illicit Manufacturing Of And Trafficking In Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives, And Other Related Materials (called by its Spanish acronym of CIFTA for obvious reasons). A close look at the Definitions section of the treaty reveals that it would require a government license for “the manufacture or assembly of firearms, ammunition, explosives, and other related materials”. That doesn’t sound too bad, right? I mean we sort of have that now, don’t we? But the devil, as they say, is in the details. Or, in this case, the definitions, because the way they’re written, you could be required to get a government license to reload ammo, add or change out a scope on a rifle, replace a factory trigger with an upgraded one, or even so much as load a weapon. Preposterous you say? Look at how they define “other related materials.” Go ahead, I’ll wait. Back? Okay, when they say “any component, part, or replacement part of a firearm, or an accessory which can be attached to a firearm” you think an anti-gun administration wouldn’t say that applies to magazines and ammo? So – technically – putting rounds in a mag or a mag in a weapon would constitute “assembly” which would require a license. So how much will the license cost? What will the application process be? Will it be “shall-issue” or “may-issue”? How long will it be good for? How much will it cost to renew? All of these details could be used to drastically reduce gun ownership.
▪ The Obama administration reversed a decision to import over 800,000 surplus M-1 rifles and carbines from South Korea. Not only are these weapons of some historical significance, but their arrival on the market would reduce prices on these sorts of weapons, at least in the relatively short term. The rationale (or perhaps rationalization would be a better term) given to the South Korean government for the decision was that the administration “was also worried the weapons could be smuggled to terrorists, gangs or other people with bad intentions.” Well that tells us something interesting. Since all of these rifles would have been sold through FFLs, the Obama administration is saying they believe every firearm sale in the country could put guns in the hands of “terrorists, gangs or other people with bad intentions.” And they call us paranoid.
▪ Under the Obama administration, the CDC did an end-run around the decade-old prohibition on performing research on gun control issues by maintaining they were not researching the gun issue, “rather they deal with the surrounding web of circumstances.” When Republicans in Congress questioned why money was being spent on these sorts of studies, an NIH spokesman replied “Gun-related violence is a public health problem – it diverts considerable health care resources away from other problems and, therefore, is of interest to NIH.” But wait, aren’t you supposed to do the studies before you come to the conclusion that guns have a net negative impact on public health? See, coming to conclusions and then ginning up research to support them is what got Congress to implement the ban in the first place.
▪ Fast & Furious and the whole “90% of illegal weapons in Mexico come from the U.S.” with the subsequent unlawful and unconstitutional long gun sales reporting requirement implemented by the ATF via bureaucratic fiat. And please, don’t even try to say “But Bush did it first!” Under oath, Attorney General Holder stated that he would not equate F&F with Operation Wide Receiver. Among other things, under OWR the ATF informed the Mexicans when, where and in what kind of car guns were crossing the border while under F&F not only were the Mexicans kept in the dark, the ATF liaison officers in Mexico were kept in the dark.
▪ Under the Obama administration the ATF suddenly reversed a forty-two year old ruling, stating that “[t]he temporary assignment of a firearm by an FFL to its unlicensed agents, contractors, volunteers, or any other person who is not an employee of the FFL, even for bona fide business purposes, is a transfer or disposition for purposes of the Gun Control Act” which then requires that the transfer be processed by an FFL, complete with NICS check and a 4473, lengthening the transfer process considerably.
▪ In an op-ed for the Arizona Star, Obama capitalized on the Tucson shooting, calling for more gun control. Except he didn’t call it ‘gun control’, he called it “sound and effective steps that will actually keep those irresponsible, law-breaking few from getting their hands on a gun in the first place”.
▪ Then there was this piece in the Huffington Post in which Obama admitted that he could not achieve gun control through legislation, so “only executive orders or administrative actions — and not an actual bill — are expected to be handed to Congress.” What was it Bill Clinton’s aide said? “Stroke of the pen. Law of the land. Kinda cool.” Yeah, who needs that whole “work within constitutional limits” stuff anyway, right?
So the next time some ignorant anti says “But Obama hasn’t done anything on gun control . . . why are you so paranoid?” give them chapter and verse. Not that facts ever make much of an impression on hoplophobes.
For those of you who think that no gun coontolls have been put into effect
Under Obama admin, think not repub and demo think State Dept.
The ampunt of restrictions upon imports has increased dtamaticly.
That pres has said publicly UN weapons restriction wiis still on table.
The mexico gun fiasco wad dual purposeand Brady and Vlintoistas ready to pounce with new Bans until officer killed.
That main witness and prisoner states that US deliberately supplied weapons to one caryel.
That chaos in any nation U S now playing is drliberate chaos that allows billions of dollars to US private and corporate along with defence industry to profit.
What freedoms has military fought for since 1945 hell it has been civilians getting heafs busted by NG and police and now no limit and nooversight by any elected official is allowed to even be spoken or danger of treason and like Dennis lucinich out of a job.
It is not partys. They are just the vehicles used in individuals drive gor power.
When you flag wavers are no longer needed neither will you need your guns. Gun owning americans are not united at all. So forget bs of 2nd.
GRANDFATHEREDI GOT MINE TOO BAD YOU DONT hunters versusrecreational versus bow versus black powder religious nut bslls and any fn wzr so they can ve heros and feel good about themselves is the rule. The self defence will sell your blak rifles to heep their pistols each what’s good for me and screw thee is the real proposition that will end private ownership by sheep in camo or suits and ties.
Gun control advocates often like to say that civilians have no legitimate need for so-called “assault weapons” like AR-15 pattern semiautomatic rifles. But we certainly do in at least one case — riots and other civil disturbances. We all remember the iconic photographs of the Korean merchants standing on their rooftops with AR-15s during the L.A. riots — their businesses didn’t get looted or burned down. And more recently, think of all the looting and violence in NY and NJ in the wake of Hurricane Sandy.
When the civil order breaks down, an AR-15 is definitely what you want to have. (Not to mention plenty of ammo and magazines, and a tactical magazine vest is useful too.)
And thanks for the info that this is the most popular rifle in America. Now why would that be, if we don’t have any legitimate use for them?
Get out there and vote! Don’t let anything stop you, ignore the supposed polls and cast your ballot.
This so-called elected servant of the people and his team of cronies are Socialists! They have an agenda. The way to grasp absolute power and maintain it is to strip the populace of their ability to protect themselves from Government tyranny and oppression. Even our founding fathers realized this when they drafted our first laws and amendments. And, along the road, history has shown this to be fact. Stalin, Mao, Mussolini and Hitler are all fine examples. A bankrupt Nation can not defend itself from outsiders and thus the armed masses will be the militia, as it was in the beginning days of this great Republic. God Bless all freedom loving men and women of this Country. And, if you sit idly back and don’t vote or voice your concerns then you have no right to complain as your rights are being stripped from you. VOTE!!!
Need more be said…
“”That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government…””
Because he has no concerns about getting re-elected at that point and he being a consumate politician, will act like a politician which means whatever he feels is best for him and frankly, any sane person knows leopards never change their spots.
Last we looked, the NRA has 4 mil members, yet there are 204 mil of age voters in the US, yet you infer those 4 mil control all the other 200 mil voters?
Amazing you credit 1.9% of the voters such amazing power over everyone else, which sadly for the antis, just shows how so many voters do actually side with the individual right.
Then of course if one actually reviewed the sales of firearms, they would see since 1994 a consistent increase in background checks from 1 mil to 16.5 mil today. All through multiple administrations with no real increases that can ever be attributed to politcial parties being in power.
Instead there is the capitlization of a resource, an investment if you like. I know several who bought close to 500,000 rounds of 7.62 x 39 back around 2001. Today they are selling those cans of ammunition for 8 times what they bought them for then.
Can you show many if any financial investment with a better return?
No doubt that Obummer and the antis helped fuel some of the buying, but in reality, the claim of Obummer being the best salesperson is just a jab to irritate the anti’s.
All the firearm restrictions are simply a means to an end. They are to restrict and eventually prohibit the private ownership of firearms. Divide and conquer, separate and eliminate. First change the name: “assault weapons” use to be full auto firearms – now any centerfire firearm. When we get rid of Sniper rifles, you’ll be eliminated any scoped firearm. When you eliminate high capacity firearms, you’ll do away with everything except single shots. Get rid of all the non hunting firearms – now only the elite (those that own property, belong to gun clubs, maintain large areas of land, lock their guns at the club house, etc.) will own guns. Their guns will be surrendered to the state when they die, their guns to be destroyed. No more encroachment on the 2nd Amendment.
ditto to Ross Walters. There may be a few Police and Military that will disobey orders, but sadly, not enough to make a difference. Been there done that. Reality is a bitch. Once you live in “reality”, you get a whole new perspective.
I’m from California. I think the gun lobby is so strong, and the Republicans would never get a assault ban through to his desk to sign. All this worry is for nothing. You have your Republican representatives on your side. There is only so much a President can do. The democrats had both houses and the presidency and they didn’t touch guns. What makes you think that as soon as he gets re-elected, he is going to open a serious can of worms like taking your guns away. All this Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt just serves to raise prices, something on a website like CheaperThanDirt, I’d prefer to avoid.
Don’t believe that the police won’t break down your door via a no-knock warrant and seize your guns because they believe in people’s rights to defend themselves.
It is foolish to believe they won’t follow orders and the orders are to confiscate your guns. They will be armed to the teeth and if you resist they will take the appropriate action which most likely means they will shoot you dead.
Also possible are armed squads of military soldiers searching house-to-house.
I’m not saying this is GOING to happen…just that if laws are passed, they will most likely be enforced. The only exception to that rule are Immigration laws.
Coming from the mid-west, my family members were in the military, law enforcement, there were farmers, bar owners, quarry owners, they worked for the post office, were lawyers, landlords, had a boarding house and my father even ran for a local political office. They worked hard, built community and defended our country. Some owned firearms, and some didn’t. There was never (that I can recall) any public discussion about banning or even limiting the private ownership of any type of firearm. My family uses firearms for recreational shooting, plinking is the common term. My rifles have won local gun club tournaments, my pistols have won national and local tournaments.
I don’t believe the post to be a sales tactic more so just to get Obama out of office. As you can only assume constant sales from consumers is more lucrative than for one to collect as much ammo and weapons as possible while available before a ban is imposed. One reason Barak hasn’t banned guns his first term is because he wanted a chance for a second. And if you don’t believe he is attempting to ban weapons then you also don’t believe he is attempting to lower our amount of nuclear weapons. If you recall Nuclear Summit meeting with Russia’s prime minister Medvedev where he slipped up saying he would have more “flexibility” his second term. Why would you think that it would only apply with nuclear weapons and not all objectives that would keep Barak from being reelected… I believe he had his chance to bring our country back to what it once was. Trillions of dollars in deficit is just not cutting it stop allowing our president to increase welfare spending on people not willing to get a job and pay their share. Like stated above I would be sad to see weapon bans but we have much larger issues in this great country than to be worried whether we have a democrat or republican in office or whether he is white or black. Like a former president said “ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country.” Help America get back to the economic powerhouse it once was and vote Mitt Romney president!
As a Marxist and a muslim, it is Obama’s intention to weaken America, making it easier for the eventual takeover by foreign forces. Lawsuits against firearm manufacturers will resume, putting them out of business. Our military would not be able to defend this country. We would have to buy arms and ammunition from other countries. Send Obama packing, then do the biggest investigation in history, expose this ‘fraud president’ then put him in jail for life as an example to others who would try the same again.
one need look no further than his comment regarding “increased flexibility after MY election”
all of the o’bama apologists can keep their heads in the sand all they like… but his track record in Illinois and Chicago is less than stellar in regards to gun rights… and he has little regard for the rights of the sovereign individual as indicated by his signing of NDAA and the subsequent squawking over the redefining of CITIZEN’S rights being capable of making the whole law “unworkable”
I dislike Romney, I do not think he is the right man for the office, but he is better than O’Bama if only because he will have to worry about getting reelected… and O’Bama will have no such self-enforced restrictions…
either way… buy only what you can afford, and balance that with other real needs such as food, water, and temporary heat/light supplies… the guns are necessary to keep folks from relieving you of those comforts if in fact TSHTF
most important of all.. you had better have a plan… and make sure that you and your loved ones are on the same page, or it is all for naught…
Vote these fools out! It’s clear that obama does not understand or acknowledge that he works for the people and needs to listen. He is the reason we have a second amendment and he is the reason it will be used. I’m ready willing and able to fight for freedom and country.
Obama had to be very careful about what he pushed onto the American people these last four years because he was looking at re-election. If (more like when) he wins next Tuesday, nothing will hold him back in the next four years because he is no longer worried about re-election. Obama unleashed….
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Notice the terms “civi,s and civilians”, excuse me but police are supposed to be civilians.
No matter the uniform of officialdom they doon refer to those they are supposed to serve they doon begin to look upon those” citizens” not engaged or employed as they are as their wards
Republicans gave us every gun ban not alone by any means. REGAN when asked why he supported the first ban replied that he had
made promices and ws loyal to the party.
We were fighting both on religious . Anti governments military and illegal actions with losses of civil liberties under Regan.
There realy is but two partys today and they are not repub or demo. They are the powerfull and yes wealthy wether by public paycheck and corruption of ofgice or by thosr who pay to corrupt; and then there are the masses who just take what the hell is handed yo them wave the flag that no longer represents anything of lasting value or pretends that medication, xrtch usage choice and making money is freedom
.You cannot ignore the fact that Lesser Bush while he wanted a weapons ban was advised that if he did try he would lose all support towards an illegal invasion.
It worked the american public took its $600 bribe and waves its flag in a war yet ongoing.
Keep your guns whole todays police and military allowed the Constitutional limitations upon Executive and both houses of congress got destroyed.
OFF THE BAT, GUN OWNERS TALK BIG BUT ALL THEY REALY ARE DEFENDING IS KEEPING THEIR TOYS,There is nothing left of Constitution or nations originality left to support by the 2nd.
A revlution to protect my guns. No better than being a warrior for the gore.
made promices to his loyal backers, and the get in line mentality of both partys membership, led by neo and liberal
I believe having a Socialist/Communist President is worse than having a Capitalist type President. To band firearms on the way they look is terrifying. Banning a firearm that has a pistol grip or so called “high” capacity magazine, is nuts. Frankenstein, Schummer, and Polsky (miss spelled on purpose)have voted to ban firearms on how they look. I don’t think they are finished. The term assualt weapon was what a despot named Adolph Hitler coined the term for his Stu.MP44. It shot an 8 mm round, magazine fed, pistol grip and was fully automatic. The round it shot was inbetween a full rifle round and pistol round. It didn’t have the range as the .30-06 or even the Mauser 8X57mm which is an ass kicker round. The so called assault rounds, are medium range and have much to be desired terminal ballistics. I won’t go into a full history lesson on the development of those calibers, but to ban those types is just horse hockey. I have old 1900’s rifles used in WWI and II that have 1,000 meter range, and their power is awesome. They are just as deadly as any “assualt” rifle, more so if it be distant. What is really fearsome is the old M1 Garand. It looks nothing like a so called assualt weapon, but was very instrumental in winning wars. Even your basic bolt action rifles are deadly. Most can go over a mile, yet with all the firearms around, why isn’t there more death and misery? It’s the pistols and the morons that think using them on people is the answer to their problems. It only takes a small percentage of the population to make the majortiy suffer. Stay the course, don’t let them “scare” us into giving up our liberty! We are the gaurdians of this country, stand fast, let NO despots take it away!
List out all the anti-gun measures Obama put into place in his first term: NONE.
List all of the anti-gun laws he put in place after a democratic congresswoman was shot: NONE.
List all of the anti-gun laws he put in place after the Colorado theater massacre: NONE.
List all the pro-gun measures he put into place:
* Signed the bill allowing concealed weapons in national parks on par with state laws. (I know he didn’t author it but he signed it)
He has stated very clearly his focus is keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and people with mental issues, he has said he favors enforcement of existing laws. If he was going to change the laws he would have done it in his first term.
Don’t fall for the hype, I hope some of you are smarter than to be sucked in by the fear mongering.
Vote on the other issues like the economy, abortion, women’s rights, gay marriage, healthcare, climate….. they are REAL issues.
I see Obama as a president who supports the rights of responsible gun owners.
And after all, he even helped Mexico out by sending them some guns!
to be brutally honest i believe it would go as far as just taking away the firearms from the public. just like hitler did with his people, its far easier to take control of a country if the locals cannot fight back. truth be told we could fight back right now if it came to such a thing, but the fact is if he would be willing to put our military against his own people who would need an election after that? he could just take control and say no more elections, who would oppose him at that point. we would need alot of people ready to rise against such a thing, and in todays world i dont see the sacrifices being made to obtain that ability to fight back. i hope im wrong, because i would hate to be on my own to protect the way of life i have become accustumed to. i like shooting, as a matter of fact i was just on my way out the door to go do some shootin….with my AR amoung other things!
I despise artiles like this that don’t show both sides of the coin and only work to fear monger. The election is in 3 days and I am still clueless on these candidates as who is the lesser of two evils. Articles like this only show why, and much of these points seem to simply be based on hear-say and anti-Democrat stuff.
Furthermore, there is a massive error in one of your statements.
“The ban expired September 2004, but California, Connecticut, Illinois, District of Columbia, New York and New Jersey still have assault weapons bans on the books. ”
Illinois has nothing of the sort. You cannot possess Title II or Title III firearms (although SBR’s were just made for those in reenactment or those with C&R’s). I just started an AR-15 build living in Illinois and I purchased an UZI Model B Carbine just under a year ago. In Illinois. The UZI carbines were banned by name under the 1994 AWB and it possesses many of the “big scary evil features” that the AWB blocked: Pistol grip, bayonet lug, folding stock (although I replaced the underfolder with the wood stock UZI’s originally had because it is much more comfortable).
Not to mention we have no magazine capacity limits or other silly rules either. Despite our lack of CCW and the FOID system (which honestly isn’t really an issue once you get the card) we don’t have much.
I know this is not popular on sites like this right now but FACTS DO MATTER.
Instead of wasting time dealing with what some salesmen says might happen, let’s look at what actually has happened. This from the NRA themselves. On July 25, 2006, the U.S. House of Representatives voted to pass H.R. 5013 to guarantee that the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding Americans will NEVER AGAIN be violated during a time of emergency. It specifically prohibits the confiscation of lawfully possessed firearms by officials during emergencies. It also forbids federal officers or employees from requiring the registration of firearms, prohibiting the lawful carrying of firearms or banning the possession of lawful firearms. These prohibitions apply to all federal officers, employees or any others who receive federal funds and specifically include the uniformed services. The legislation also expressly allows citizens to bring legal action–similar to a traditional civil rights suit–against any government agent or employee who violates this act. The bill also allows for suit to be brought to force the return of any illegally confiscated firearm. Finally, S.2599/H.R. 5013 provides for payment of attorney’s fees for victims who are forced to use the courts to restore their rights and property.
Nobody is comming to take your guns. IT IS AGAINST THE LAW. btw Obama supported and VOTED FOR this.
President Barack Obama has no intention whatsoever of banning any firearms. He supports the idea, but has little to no support to do so and hasn’t even mentioned gun laws for about 4 years until the debates. Mitt Romney on the otherhand, has actually backed legislation in the past and signed the previous assault weapons ban, not to mention his history of doing whatever someone pays him to do. He is BY FAR the most likely of the 2 candidates to push legislation for new and insane gun control laws. It bothers me to know that gun owners are afraid -once again- of what an Obama administration will do with our guns……NOTHING.
Go ahead and enact a new “assault weapon” ban. While you’re at it, ban my Johnson. You won’t take either from me while I’m alive.
Im all for the new technology that allows only the owner to fire the weapon,
would cut down on accidents and maybe theft.Rest doesn’t matter to me since I
was robbed of all my firearms except one old Western Field 22 with no front sight
and one shotgun shell they dropped! Bad thing is I didn’t know any of the serial numbers,so ever getting them back is about zero.
I like posts #14 and 15, by officer and bigmag47. Either way, an assault ban is possible but not probable. We forget that Romney ran up more gun restrictions in his state as governor than the assault ban in place than before he was elected governor. Congress won’t support an assault rifle ban. Nor would a majority of voters but frankly as someone who spends a lot of time at the ranges, some of these Ninja Mall, Navy Seal wannabees scare me. Blasting round after round at 50 yards and bragging about targets that look more like shotguns were used than rifles, makes you wonder. Whether we shooters want to admit it or not, there are some who don’t need guns or concealed carry rights. Like the guy in Florida who stalked the kid who was armed with iced tea and skittles or the Texas guy who killed the 2 burglars at the house next door, home defense, self defense and vigilante laws exist for a reason. I’m always armed but I understand the law and the reality. I’ve seen guys get killed by friendly fire in Nam, I’ve seen single mother’s eliminate home invaders. The thin line is the difference between protection and funerals. Common sense dictates that some law and control is necessary. Just be aware that all politicians pander to money and they serve who fills their coffers more than we know. Frankly, Romney scares me more because we can’t get a straight answer from him, we know his history in Massachusetts as a matter of record and he says what ever his audience of the moment wants. Obama gave us the rights to carry in National Parks, so if the grizzly we are admiring takes offense, we can fight back. If the Koch Brothers wanted guns out of the parks so they could cut more trees for toilet paper, I’d expect Romney to go with it. They put almost a half billion dollars into the campaign. They didn’t do that out of patriotism. There is no such thing as a free lunch, he owes them, big time.
I would find this more believable and less of a hype and fear sales tactic if Obama had ever in his 3+ years attempted to pass any sort of anti-gun legislation, which he hasn’t may I point out.
We need to stop calling them “HIGH capacity magazines” and start referring to them as “STANDARD capacity magazines. Get the word “high” out of our vocabulary. Be on the offensive for once in our lives.
If so and so wanted to ban, take away your 2nds! Wouldn’t that have already happenend? Repub fears are only wasteful. Reps have taken more from me! Reps are afraid , and crawl into future of weakness . To back a fool selling lies is a expensive power juInkies fix!
This article seems like a ploy to increase sales, as pre-election prices aren’t high enough.
Obama, as much as I agree he wants to, cannot unilaterally institute a new AWB. Thankfully the house is controlled by the Republicans and they will not pass a new AWB.
That being said, everyone here must vote to get the clown-in-chief out of office. Our biggest threat is him appointing more terrible Supreme Court justices.
In the event everything collapses, with America up in ashes, in a world without brothers or one care or selfless help to others… Who will be there to help eachother? Who will be there to stand and lead through mud and the blood. Through the poor helpless slain through all of the pain. To rise again when you should be dead, with a helpful heart torn apart.. who then will rise, who then will fight! Who then will try when everything tells you to cry? Or tells you to give up and die.? Look into your own eyes are you one of those guys who hates because there black or white? Can everything be alright? Can you stand and fight! For what is truly right? How can you live life and think your right when you act the same as all the horrible powers you hate? We just need to take the constitution in our left hand its closest to our heart but our guns are never very far sitting just to our right ready rise to stop oppression foreign or domestic demise. I and we will protest or fight for our brothers or mothers and families to our side black or white all votes aside don’t forget the reason we will protest or fight. It is to keep our government in check and in sight, as if they tell us to trust then they will most certainly lie. But try to justify by taking our rights.. we are all lead astray from all powers in play. Democratic left or republican right there all the same at the end of the night… Remember all your American rights but never forget what crosses your right chest to your left closest to your heart when there’s a song sang to show we are the same.. Don’t forget we are American!! We are all the same dealing with this hurt and pain. We all need to stand strong through the night all unified. The government will strive to tear us alive and make us hate the next guy. We say it will be alright! But it can’t if we hate the lives of all the other Americans having a hard time just like you and I. We are all having a hard time just trying to live life. We need to unify set all BS aside and realize As long as the good still thrive!! The fire will burn bright! Freedom and life! As long as we are alive we are American till the day we die!!!
If Obama gets back in and follows through with a gun ban, and tries to govern everything that has to do with guns and ammo, as to how many gun, what kind of gun, and how much ammo you can have, where and how many gun shop can be in an area. Then can we say we have Communist Dictator ruling us. This will be the start of the end of a free country. God help us.
Of the two candidates, one has already implemented a weapons ban while in office. It wasn’t Obama. S&W, Ruger, Colt, etc are booming. Guns are big business at a time when the economy needs jobs. Doubt either candidate wants to touch that with a ten ft pole. High capacity pistol mags could be targeted but we will see. Anyway CTD hope your sales continue to skyrocket in the next few days. I like you guys and will continue to shop from you but this is pretty sad.
My lord, will all of you people wake up and stop believing all this propaganda BS. You should be embarrassed. Let’s look at some facts here. 1. Obama has already been in office and could have banned weapons if you wanted to but hasn’t – answer True. Romney has already banned assault weapons in Mass. answer True. Since Obama has been in office he has actually allowed the easing of some gun laws such as allowing people to carry in national park that use to forbid it – answer True. While I will agree that Obama in no Gun happy guy, I will also state that Romney is far more against guns and has the track record to prove it. So can all you uneducated rednecks put two and two together or do you plan to vote for the Republican that will have a larger push to take away your guns. Personally, I don’t believe either side will ever be able to disarm americans, while they may try to outlaw certain things, a all out gun ban will never pass. Remember people laws are passed in the house and senate. The president does very little by himself.
The truth is that Obama is a psychopathic liar. Proven fact. The lie is that it can’t happen here in the USA. A rascist, Marxist radical is now the president. deal with it. To say a gun ban can’t happen is ridiculous. Beware of the deniers, that’s how this guy got elected to begin with.
Please for the sake of our future get out and vote – and vote in Mitt Romney. This is beyond serious this time. It is our only chance to avoid draconian limitations to our rights. Do otherwise and will will all surely be sorry beyond a doubt.
Hahahaha seriously CTD!!! using fear to sell is clever, sadly its becoming the american way. i agree with some of the comments “a lot of morons commenting here” politely i will call them misinformed. Obama or Romney same dung both come from the same evil root.they both serve a common interest. if we had freedom we will have hundreds if not more of parties. how come we only have republicans and democrats!! they are the same kakapoopoo group just section A and B to trick us in to thinking we have freedom of election. after the election nothing will change every thing will remain the same the difference is we will either have dumb or dumber as president.
Well you liberals seem to think that education is the be all and end all. I have a doctorate. A psychopath is someone who has no conscience and is comfortable lying because he is amoral. By definition, Obama is a psychopath. And Republicans refusing to enact Socialized medicine doesn’t make them obstructionist. It makes them patriotic because the Constitution does not authorize government healthcare. Obamacare was enacted behind locked closed doors and in the middle of the night so don’t talk to me about transparency. If you would be so kind as to read Obama’s executive orders, you will find he is a despot plain and simple. His actual policies are much closer to fascism than democracy. No self-respecting Democrat would ever sign the NDNA yet Obama signed it with great fanfare.
@sivispace
You wrote: “He also said he would reach across the isle and work in a bipartisan manner-a bald face lie. The fact is Obama is a lying psychopath and that isn’t some Republican hyperbole. That is a fact.”
If you believe this, and I think you do, then you live in a complete fantasy world, an opposite land, where up is down and left is right. I cant imagine where you got your information, Fox “news” I guess. The Republicans have been the absolutely most obstructionist force working against the Obama administration and ultimately against the American people and Obama has learned the hard way that all of the continuous appeasements, cave-ins and compromises he gave to the Republicans just backfired because no matter how far he bent over backwards for them, they just spat in his face. Remember what the Republicans said at the beginning of the Obama term, that their NUMBER ONE priority was to make him a one term president, not working with him to build up the economy but to just ruin him and work against him. That is so offensive and unAmerican, the hypocrisy is just astounding.
Lastly, calling him a “psycopath” and then saying “that is a fact” is just demonstrating that you dont know what the word means and you dont know what facts are.
Obama says he supports the Second Amendment. He also said he would have a transparent administration-a plain lie. He also said he would reach across the isle and work in a bipartisan manner-a bald face lie. The fact is Obama is a lying psychopath and that isn’t some Republican hyperbole. That is a fact.
I too have been a former prosecutor and I have watched Obama legislate through executive order. I have watched Congress gutt the Bill of Rights with the Patriot Act and the NDAA. We live in an increaingly less free world and we don’t even know if the votes we cast is even counted. It is naieve to think that the current group of despots wouldn’t write our rights right out from under us. Obama only needs to appoing one more justice and Heller is overruled. John Paul Stevens is an intellectual fraud and his dissent in Heller proves that. We are a whisper away from a dictatorship and that is not alarmist; that is fact. Look at Obama’s executive orders. Look at the NDAA. Our Founding Fathers are looking down in utter disgust and disbelief. If we don’t pull this plane out of it’s nosedive, we are going to crash.
What a Joke! Does anyone believe this nonsense? When asked about gun rights at the second debate, Obama clearly supports our 2nd amendment rights. He said it is more important to enforce the laws we already have, not make new ones. This is just pre election, anti-Democrat, pro-Republican nonsense. I wonder how much money the Rupublican party paid the author of this work of fiction to post it around the web? There are way too many guns in circulation in America to confiscate even a fraction of them. This is the biggest piece of fearmongering nonsense I have heard since the mayan calendar ending apacolypse scenario.
With regards to “forgetting” about Obamas executive orders, lets also not forget that like the “non profit” AARP, which stands to make $156 million in extra nontaxable profit once Obamacare goes into effect, CTD and every other retailer/wholesaler of firearms, and ammo stands to make millions off another “gunban scare” buying frenzy, just as they did when Clinton was re-elected. As such, it behooves the CTD and the other retailers to use whatever means possible (like a email subscription blog) to fan the flames of fear and thus fuel their own sales.
Lets also not forget that while the firearms retail community is trying to fan the flames of Obama fear by creating the illusion that Obama will be on an unrestrained rule making binge if he gets reelected. the simple fact is that he WILL be restrained….by the democratic patry. While Obama may have reached the finale of his career, Hillary, Diane, Barbara and all the other will have not. Biden, or whoever the 2016 Democratic presidential candidate will have to overcome any ill will generated by Obama. There is more to the democratic party than Obama, and any action Obama takes will reflect on the democratic party and democratic politicians. Those actions will directly impact senate and congressional elections. If the president acts unfavorably, the democrats will lose seats and thus power, and very well may lose the white house in 2016.
. In short Obama wont be allowed to go “bananas”. All those senators and congressman who supported him and the (not to mention th democratic party as a whole) would suffer…. and they will not allow that. They wont allow it because they will lose THIER power and power, like many drugs, is addictive. As such, these wholesale gun bans the NRA and CTD bloggers are warning of a far more fiction than fact.
Consider that the NRA, CTD and gun industry like to point out how many guns and law abiding gun owners there are in the US. They do that to scare politicians by claiming there are so many gun owners that they are a voting force to be reckoned with. Out of the other side of their mouths the NRA CTD et al also try to scare people into buying guns and ammo by saying there arent enough gun owners to influence politics. Its called hierocracy, and its fueled by greed, purposed to make more money for the NRA, CTD and gun industry and it makes the NRA, CTD and the author of this article just as bad as Obama.
Personally, I am as sick of the NRA and CTD and blog authors such as this trying to ‘scare’ me into giving them more of my hard earned money as I am sick of Obama, Diane, Barbara Hillary and the rest. Why not actually not try to live up honor youre always claiming, show some restraint in the profit mongering and STOP the fear fanning.
By the way, I AM a member of the NRA and I do buy guns and ammo from CTD. Lets see how long it takes the blog admin/CTD to remove this post
@attorney. Did you read the final transcripts or just Media hype, weapon types can be restricted. Under the last not two rulings but the last five in fact. In the words of the justices on how and why of ruling..Laws are already in place but not rigidly enforced that would make tens of thousands of gun owners accidental criminals. Or ignorant citizens is more appropriateThe ignorance is only reinforced by those who live in the system and have blinders on or for those in pro gun trenches fox hole vision.
Went to a lawyer with 25 k check ready to sign to represent me on state constitutional issue. He had ben county prosecotor and he asked me if Washington State had a Constitution, walked out door found one who knew of it but had not read, we won..
Have never seen or heard of prosecuting attorney that was not above bending laws, especially by deliberate ignorance or ego and politics. Never.
SUE me but I Am so por we jerk the dog to feed the cat.
Poor but do read all bills put forward and know of some 60 on three states and fed put aside until after election.
Yea if. We lose are guns .. were a done for…we will be at the fate of the people on the streets. The bad guys they just walk in our homes with guns.. couse are man in the white house wins .. and our grate bum in our state. The bad people will alwase have guns.. if this really happens the people that have guns for sport and range play and home and self defence ..were all dead.. were at the mersey of the bad people.. god no’s time thers a brake in and that man. Going to do you harm ..you call 911. Time they get there your dead couse you got no guns the guy’s long gone.. and your dead.. WEll like the one guy said. You can have my gun’s when you take them from my cold dead hands.. we dont need a president.. were doomed if we. Pick one of these dicks.. lets hope the military dose Rrfuse.. if not GOD HELP US..and the people.. thats what I think…
OFF THE BAT: makes no diff if they ban every type of firearms out here, I sure as heck am not gonna get my butt capped over them.
As an owner of weapons all my life I am going to be sad to lose even the ability to buy and or the fees to buy less satisfactory weaponry and the registration of them I now own.
Not gonna pull punches but anyone who says no gun ban coming is either dumb as a rock or working for democratic party.
We have over 75000 men in military today that most have been US citizens for any time other than time in
As stated Executive Branch has no restrictions upon it military.
American military and to hell with local cops as well will bust your butt and american history tells you that.
I am an avid shooter and former prosecuting attorney, but this disgust me. A ban on all hand guns? Really!? We have two U.S. Supreme Court decisions, Heller and McDonald that say a ban on handguns violates the Constitution. Not even an executive order can get around that. All treaties have to comply with the Constitution and be ratified by two thirds of congress, so no UN ban either. In my life we have had a republican president for 28 years, a democrat president for 16. If Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush 41, and Bush 43 could not get Roe v Wade overturned what makes you think that a democrat can get Heller and McDonald overturned? I cannot stand republicans, democrats, Green Party, tea party, or independents that resort to fear in order to reach a desired result. Cosmetic bans and magazine capacity restrictions are what we have to worry about. Stop with the scare tactics.
Can we have an overview of the details of the Romney ban he signed in Massachusetts?
I enjoyed the pro’s and cons as shared by the writers, Americans in general have a lot to think about when discussing guns of all calibers. It has been said many times before and I maintain it to be totally true, makes no difference what caliber the weapon, kill is kill and guns do not kill on their own, its the maniac’s behind them. Everyone knows that to leave the average American defenseless would be an open door policy for criminals and wayward governments to over run us. I am an old Vet, joined the Army back in 1953 right out of high school. Was an expert with small bore 22 caliber receiving my gun knowledge thru the NRA programs in our High School. When I entered basic training prior to going to Korea, I was one of two individuals in our entire company that had any knowledge or had handled fire arms of any kind. When I left the Army and went back into civilian life, I was an expert rifleman and still am. I sent letters into my Senators and shared with them “WHY NOT” consider having a multi million ex military soldiers ready just in case. I proposed that they should consider a law that would allow all honorably discharged military personal with clean civilian records to be allowed to have one AR-15 semi Automatic rifle and a minimum of 500 rounds of ammo ready for use at any given time. They trusted me when I was a shave tail no nothing kid to become a soldier and be sent into a region to die if need be without having knowledge of why I was even there, so why not trust me now when I served with honor my term of enlistment including my following 10 years of National Guard service. I never heard back from anyone about the idea of having a back up to our home military and still cannot for the life of me come up with a reason why it would not be considered. I along with millions of other Vets still love our country and would still fight and die to protect her along with our family. These jar headed idiots that is running the country now have no idea of what America is all about, I believe we have been overrun by cowards, idiots, commies and misfit Socialist. I do believe that there should be some controls, especially involving criminal back ground checks etc, but we should make every attempt to back up our country by insuring that our old guys like me is made ready without having to feel like we are criminals by not wanting to share knowledge of having weapons because some idiot will want to take them away from us.
It would be so simple to maintain and control, we do not need for our government to purchase and hand out guns for us, we can do that for ourselves, just make it possible for us to have them with us, carry them with us and be ready in the event we are needed. One simple call out from our local in area National Guard Commanders would only have to get the word out and a new trained but pot bellied militia would be ready within hours. But low and behold, I never heard back from anyone, looks like my idea just did not hold water or we have more cowards that we need to get rid of and bring in some people that has some guts to handle what is coming to be world war three here at home. I say here at home, because this is where the battle is going to be fought, by us old guys, not by the youngsters with their i-pods and guitars, they have no idea what it takes to be an American any more and if we don’t take control of the situation now thru normal politics and getting rid of the socialist and commies we won’t have an America to defend anymore. If anyone does not like what I have said, kiss my back side, Everything we have seen the past several months shows of total cowardice and lack of general knowledge to handle situations.
On testing for ownership. I don’t think so. If I had been tested fresh out of Jump/Ranger school, I’m sure that I would have been flagged for ever!
So, am I sane now, or while I was in?
As far as Search and Seizuers”, Remember Fusion Ctrs? This was the first means of getting the feds on a “buddy-buddy” relationship with local le. When any actions are needed, AR & NG from other parts of the country, will be utilized(they will be fore warned that you might sympathize with the local “terrorists”. That’s why they will also have UN troops to supervise any activities.
And as always, any injuries incurred will be blamed on “gun owners/terrorists”, and this is where TSWHTF! This will justify the use of deadly force without questions. The UN troops will have a field day at our expense.
BTW
Speaking of the media, who only tells us what we need to know. There won’t be any “distress”, untill after it’s over. “Just taking care of a few dissidents.” Most beetle-crushers never know where they are, or what they’re doing. M
I’m a retired Marine and Retired Federal Agent. Personally, from a vast amount of experience in civil unrest, I’m more concerned about the Local Police confiscating guns than I am about the Bad guys roaming the streets. Hurricane Katrina is a perfect example of that. I was there and saw it first hand. Keeping my fingers crossed for the elections.
Loked loked and loked again. Got more ammo than a Big Five Store. If it’s class warfare it’s on!
Oh my … oh gosh … goodnesss me … whatsoever will we do…
I better spend all my money at Cheaper Than Dirt, stocking up on for when that muslim fanatic not-even-born-in-the-US colored man gets reelected and then comes to take away all my guns …
Seriously people!!!
Anyone who thinks that another AWB is possible has absolutely no idea how politics works!!!
CTD wants y’all to get scared … so they can make a buck.
The NRA wants y’all to get scared … so they can make a buck.
The Republicans want y’all to get scared … so they can make a buck.
Fox News wants y’all to get scared … so they can make a buck.
Anyone detect a pattern here?!?!?
It’s not about ….
Republicans vs. Democrats …
Christians vs. Muslims …
Black vs. White …
East vs. West …
Straight vs. Gay …
North vs. South …
etc …
etc …
etc …
Pay heed to the following … THIS is the new gospel:
Rich white people working hard to keep rich white people rich!!!
This is CLASS warfare.
And guess what?!?!
If you’re reading this … YOU ARE the losing class!
Time for y’all to start paying attention.
Jefferson had it right!
And if y’all don’t understand what I mean … then it’s already too late.
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Thanks DSLAM . Another progun person that is not a moron. Nice to see.
@Bigmag47: Rest assured. The military by and large will remember their oath to the Constitution. I don’t normally play into fear mongering but I always believe in being prepared. If the order comes down to violate the Constitution, not many in uniform will obey.
Obama was a bad idea the first time. This time we can’t afford to elect him.
I personally believe all people who are applying to own a gun should have to under go a morale assessment. Basically a 5-10 minute test while you’re awaiting ATF approval anyways. Too many idiots around me with guns, that muzzle sweep, shoot while others are down range, improperly brandish, handle while intoxicated, and many other minor infractions that result in accidental injury/death.
@Bigmag47
As usual, trying to create fear right before the election. Read the first two comments, especially the one by Bigmag47. This is the truly scary thing, these are very fearful and unbelievably misinformed, brainwashed people. And there are many of them, as you can see from Bigmag47 they are completely unhinged from reality, literally living in a fantasy world where the President of the USA is a muslim who will be leading a way against the USA. It would be funny if it were not so scary. They’ve created an alternate reality in which liberal and non christian Americans are the “enemy”. If you notice the theme is one of a constant fear; fear of muslims, fear of minorities, fear of non-believers, fear of social institutions, fear of the government itself. It their minds, the world is against them and they feel backed into a corner. It’s all in their minds of course but for them perception is reality. It’s a very sad state for our country.
As a police officer, If ordered to go door to door confiscating assault weapons, handguns and high capacity magazines, I can assure you that we wont carry it out. Our job is to serve and protect our cities and neighborhoods, not to become stormtroopers and kick down doors. We know that if it came down to it, we would be required to physically go house to house and do thorough searches for assault weapons. No one is going to just give them up or tell you they have them. You are going to be forced to search and I can tell you right now, we have enough trouble with normal day to day duties and crimes to investigate, we wont have time to do a door to door search.
If the citizens are disarmed, the criminals wont have any fear of the unknown on breaking into a house. They will go in, rape and steal and know that the nation has been disarmed and are no threat to them any longer.
How do you figure theres no chance of another AWB? Hell, Clinton pulled it off and we had one in play for 10 years. What is different now than it was back then for the AWB to not pass today? As said, the traitor to America Obama can sign it in with an executive order, and we all know he LOVES to do that.
The people who get elected and swear an oath to protect the constitution suffer from weak moral values and a complete lack knowlege concerning the history of America. I am astounded that anybody could be so stupid to fall for the banning firearms will make society safer fantasy. People like this are proof that the public fool system is completely failing to educate children instead has created an entire generation of people that incapable of thinking or knowing right and wrong
The reality of how much safer society is without the 2nd Amendment protecting them will be very apparent in the first 24 hrs. When they round up the useful idiots nobody will care but when freedom loving people refuse to bow down to the masters TSWHTF and when all the libtards and hollyweird types are being forced into the fema camps if not out right massacred then it might repeat might see their beloved socialist system for the brutal tyranical monster for what it really is.
I have given up trying to explain the historical reasons and the relevance to the situation today with people that not just ignorant but just plain stupid and brainwashed.
“Unfortunately, we are an extremely biased and uneducated media that perpetuate lies about and skew facts.”
Fixed that for you. All this article amounts to is propaganda, scare mongering, and rabble rousing.
Truth is that both candidates are in support of the existing legislation and Obama himself in the second debate admitted that “cheap handguns” are used more often for nefarious purposes than” assault weapons”.
Mark my word, no matter who gets elected things aren’t likely to revert back to they way they were in the AWB days. Keep calm and carry on.
Karl,
Thank you for pointing out my error. I misread the California state law and skipped over the “centerfire” part of the law. Hence, why I am a writer and not a lawyer.
I have edited my article to reflect the correct information.
Neither the S&W M&P 15-22 nor the Savage Model 64BTV are illegal, banned, or considered assault weapons in the state of California. I greatly enjoy reading this blog on a regular basis, but please don’t spread FUD.
Let’s not forget that this time, if they try it, it will be permanent; I doubt the gun grabbers will make the same mistake of having a sunset date on the ban.
Ross Walters,
You forget a little something called the Executive Order. How much support is required for that? Very little, as a matter of fact. he has enough support in the minority to ram this down our throats. Your opinion is just that, your opinion.
All that said, yes, I hope your right, but hope and a cup of coffee gets you a cup of coffee.
Thanks to all of you who are unwilling to be ruled and continue to do what’s necessary to keep pushing government back to serving it’s citizens.
A future AWB is total conjecture and extremely unlikely during the next four years.
Senate bills proposing gun control (Like B Boxer’s) die in Committee having never even been brought to a vote. Even if they did vote there is insufficient support to pass those laws.
So don’t get your panties in a bunch. Nobody’s gonna take your guns away nor impose further restrictions on your 2nd Amendment rights anytime soon.
If you are unlucky enough to live in Illinois or NY or any one of a dozen or so restrictive states then too bad. But Obama didn’t have anything to do with those weapons laws.
A future Supreme Court would be the most likely source of a ban but even the liberal jurists recognize the existence of 2A and aren’t too eager to turn millions of law-abiding Americans into lawbreakers and precipitate all the bloodshed that would surely follow.
I really am not worried about re-enactment of an assault weapons ban because there isn’t going to be one despite certain ‘journalists’ attempts to create fear and loathing and whip the paranoid into a frenzy for no good reason.
Also, well said in all 3 comments. Check out Oathkeepers folks and join if you can. From my talks with LE and Military, they will REFUSE any order to confiscate firearms because they KNOW that an armed citizenry is a safe and free citizenry. As a former Infantry Officer I took an oath to defend the Constitution and even though that was many, many years ago, I feel the time may be coming for me to defend our great Constitution against my tratorious American’s. May God prevail on 11/6/2012 and may our great republic survive.
well said in both comments . all i can add is . blood will flow in the streets . i will walk in our Founding Fathers foot steps just as they did to protect our freedom . SO HELP ME GOD !
I`m afraid to say that if elected this November, Obama will set into motion every anti-gun piece of legislation he can put his grubby little paws on! This will in turn set off the ” civil unrest ” That has been brewing for years now. This is not going to be pretty. Eventally the civil unrest will turn to civil war and ultimately a war between Christians and Muslims. With the Muslim extremists being led by our fearless coward, oops I mean leader, the military will have a tough choice to make. I just hope they (the military) has the wisdom to remember they have an oath with the “Constitution” of the United States of America and not the President of America. I view Obama to be a DOMESTIC threat, and I hope the military does too, and decides not to just BLINDLY follow orders! As for the rest of us….we all must be WILLING to die for our freedom just as surely as if it were 1776. True freedom never comes without a price!
If the story holds true that this administration stood by and watched Americans being murdered and this guy still gets elected, as much as I love the second amendment I’d have to say we’ll have much bigger problems. I’m thinking there will some cold dead hands before these so called “assault weapons” are taken away!