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450-pound Bear vs. Hi-Point pistol? Only in Alaska…

Hi Point .40 caliber pistol

Ever wonder if a $140 pistol was worth the money? Here’s your answer.

It was in July 2014 when Jim Landess heard loud banging on one side of his home. The 3:30 a.m. pounding shook the two-story Alaska home like a BB in a boxcar. The racket roused Jim’s young son Montana and he went from his ground-level bedroom to the front room to see what was going on. He opened the curtains and looked straight at a big brown bear that started sizing up Montana for a possible early morning snack!

Alaska Brown Bear
Jim, son Montana and pet dog with Hi-Point handgun terminated home invader. Alaskan Game & fish estimated the big bear to be five years old.

Jim and the family dog quickly joined the affair and the combination of yelling, barking, and Jim firing couple of warning shots from his .45 ACP Hi-Point handgun convinced the big bear to leave the property. Then everybody went back to bed, because visiting bears are normal for many Alaskans.

Two hours later, the bear came back and hammered the house again – except that, this time, he was on the porch and posing a real threat of breaking through the door and entering the house. Having a big bear in a bad mood inside your house is not normal, even for Alaskans, and Jim knew that this bear would soon be inside, no doubt about it.

Jim’s heart started pounding like pistons in a Formula One race car as he ran to the upstairs outside deck so he’d be in a protected position to fight the bear. From that outside elevated position, Jim sent seven well-aimed rounds into the center of the bear before he could get into the house.

Jim said the bear went crazy on the porch for a few seconds, then ran about 50 feet from the house and fell over dead as a doornail. While Montana and the dog inspected the dead invader, Jim notified Alaska state troopers and got the information on what he should do and complied. There were no legal problems with this out of season killing, as this was an obvious case of serious self-defense.

Hi Point .40 caliber pistol
Hi-Points are under rated when it comes to recommendations, but a large caliber for about $150 is hard to beat. As is true with any new gun, be sure to run a variety of ammunition through it first.

Jim’s adventure proved that you don’t necessarily need a high-dollar handgun or long arm to defend yourself even from a 450-pound bear — a proven, accurate, tough, reliable, not-so-pretty Hi-Point pistol that cost well under $200 will do the job in the hands of a good shooter with a cool head. Just ask the bear – well, maybe not the bear, but ask Jim and Montana; they are still around to tell this story for many years to come.

This July 2014 true story was related to Charles Brown of MKS Supply, LLC, by Jim Landress in Sterling, Alaska. Jim likes his not-so-pretty but effective Hi-Point pistol a whole bunch. In fact, he purchased the Hi-Point just three weeks prior to carry while fishing – it is bear country! The bottom line is handgun bullets don’t know or care whether they are launched from a tough, reliable, accurate $200 handgun or one that costs $3,000.

Be sure to forward this story to all of your friends who doubt the knock-down power of a Hi-Point pistol and share your thoughts in the comment section.

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Comments (102)

  1. Personally I found a new Hi-Point 9nn to be more reliable than a Glock. But just goes to show that a more expensive gun can also have issues. Also compared a Hi-Point 45acp to several plain military style 1911s. All were reliable and were as accurate as I am. I’m sure a customized 1911 would be more accurate.

  2. Own three 9’s and one 45. Can take either of the 9’s and consistently put 8 rounds within 4 inch circle at 30ft or 8 rounds in a 6 inch circle at 50ft. My brother takes the 45 and at exactly 300ft can roll a Folgers coffee can until there’s hardly a can left. What all this means I really don’t have a clue other than my brother shoots better than I do and we both have solid weapons at an inexpensive price with lifetime warranties. What’s prettiest about a gun is that it does what it’s owner expects of it. Any other beauty is superficial.

  3. I own 2 hi points a 380 and 40 they jam for 2 reasons cheap light grain bullets and failure to keep them clean

    1. Melvin, thanks for being honest about these poor quality weapons, even though you own them. Put them on backpage, sell them to some hillbilly or gangsta, and buy a Glock 40 cal so you can be sure it will work every time.

    2. The reason they jam is the finger like lips on the mag are sensitive. And a little polish to the load ramp helps a lot. I own 2 of them, the C9, and the JHP .45 ACP. . And fired 50 grain no-lead liberty self defence through them with no hint of a problem. Both can take +P ammo.

  4. It would appear that 10 or so weeks, Our 450-pound DEAD Alakan Brown Bear, has somehow grown ii height to just over 9-feet tall. Yes, your read correctly Over 9-Feet Tall. At least by the current accounts of the 450# Brown Bear’s demise in Sterling, Alaska. Must be something in the Ground Water. Also, there a 17-year old teenage son, that wasn’t there before. This story keeps on getting better and better, with every telling.

  5. I’d like to know what ammo he was using. I think most decent .45 cal handguns firing a decent hollow-point round will give you a good chance of a kill. It would be an even better story if he did it with a 9mm.

    1. @ Derek.

      I’m sure the Alaskan State Police are asking themselves the same questions. My question is. Wheres the handgun and the dead bear , now. Do the state police have them both, is the bear in a butcher shop somewhere. And is the gun on the bottom of a deep lake or river, somewhere.

    2. well youre wondering we still have the gun and the bear was sent to a taxidermist for auction and the bullets were blazer full metal jackets

    3. I find it interesting, that if your so proud of the kill. Why are you hiding behind you young sons name?

  6. the great comments from all you all as long as it gets the job done I don’t care who’s a broom handle hi point might not be the most gun world best gun but it gets the job done and how many companies got a lifetime warranty

  7. The first black bear I had to shoot was with an old 1917 service revolver. I was brook trout fishing in a brook and I ended up between a mother bear and her twin cubs. I was nearly chest deep in a fishing hole when I became aware of the cubs on my left starting to fight with each other. When mom came to investigate, I was directly between her and her cubs. When she poked her head thru the ferns and saw me she roared. The 1917 revolver was in my hand. Loaded with 45 Colt hand loads. Six shots later the sow was DRT. The Game Warden later asked me what I was going to do with the twin cubs after he gave me a freebie for shooting the sow.
    Have you ever tried to teach two young bears how to forage, and survive in the wild?

  8. @ Chistopher.

    Not much difference, at least with a Cap Gun. The Bear could die of breathing in too much of the “Caps” sulphur fumes.

  9. @ Silverado6gun.

    The problem is, at least the hi-point .45acp could in theory him someone at a distance. The Liberator, couldn’t. For God-sakes, the Liberator, you actually had to make physical contact with the victiim.

  10. @ SS1.

    Actually I wasn’t. But, after Skidhoward’s comment I was saying to myself about, When does Overkill, Become Overkill. And, I was also thinking about the YouTube Video, too.

  11. Always sad to see people who have to hide behind the biggest caliber around. Ask the Mossad if .22 cal;is more than enough of a round to take out the average man. Anyone who can’t cleanly kill a whitetail with a single 5.56 shouldn’t be in the woods. My only problem is Jim’s choice of full jacketed practice rounds in his HD weapon. He followed the first rule of shoot what you have until the threat is neutralized.

    1. @Skidhoward: Your hide behind the biggest caliber comment makes no sense. The topic of this article is about a bear. It’s not about a clean kill of a non-aggressive dear.

    2. @ ss1.

      I don’t know about you, Someone or affiliated with YouTube, has clearly been Violating the Human/Deer Hunting Act. By showing Bambi, some KARATE moves.

    3. @Secundius: Well since you brought it up, I did see something odd the other day. I was researching Google Images for the 50 Beowulf you suggested, and I came across a photo of a young hunter (like 19YO) kneeling with his 50 Beowulf next to the smallest, tinyest baby dear with a huge hole in it’s side. I thought “OK, whatever floats your boat”. I’m not a hunter and I don’t know about the rules on that, but I thought it was lame. I would rather hunt the predators, and may just do it soon, if I can find a hunting club.

      Now speaking of your YouTube comment, I’m not sure if this is what you meant, but I typed “bambi karate” into YouTube and found the funniest video by Biff Malibu. Just watch the video, and picture poster Skidhoward trying to make that clean shot with his 5.56, but something goes horribly wrong, LOL (the deer attacks him). That’s what I was thinking as I was watching the video and it’s funny as hell.

  12. @ Brass.

    Must be some really @#$%^&* big salon, in the @#$%^&*( river. He fishes in, to need a .45acp too subdue the fish.

  13. OK. First the Hi Point was a questionable choice for HD in Alaska. It is not the most reliable gun on earth. It “probably” works when you need it to but things like limp wristing can occur when you’re under severe stress. Unless I’ve fired that gun 5000 times or more I wouldn’t trust it for any kind of self defense. Then there’s the big issue – the caliber. Sure you “might” kill a brown bear standing above it where it can’t get to you and shooting it with .45 ACP rounds (it is the rounds that kill – not the gun but I still would rather have a gun that is more reliable). But what if the bear had gotten into the house. That .45 might as well have been a cap gun shooting head on into a brown bear skull. They are “very” tough to penetrate. It isn’t the money. You can get perfectly good shotguns for less than $200. I’d much rather trust my life to a H&R Protector even if it is a Chinese clone of an 870. They are rock solid shotguns and even more they are “shotguns”. Put a Brenneke Black Magic slug in that shotgun and you have a real bear stopper. Or maybe a Dixie Slugs Terminator 12. With a small child living in bear country anything less is criminal IMO. The cops should arrest the gun for being under gunned. At the very least a .44 magnum might do the job with the right ammo like something from Buffalo Bore or Garrett Cartridges. But a .454 would be better. The one thing I’m sure of it that a .45 should NOT have been his primary defense against a brown bear. That’s criminal negligence IMO.

    1. @King Ghidora: Excellent analysis, but you left out my Desert Eagle 50AE. The 454 Casull could be a tad more powerful, but I have 8 rounds.

    2. I would prefer the cal. .454 Casul, but the thing is so damn big and hard to handle. And you can only load 5 rounds in it. A 12ga. shotgun shooting slugs is much easier. The 870 I use can hold ten rounds of kill you dead lead.

      I would have thought a person with a cal. .45ACP would have been able to do better with a can of Bear Spray.

    3. Great analysis. As a shooter and gunsmith I would consider the High Point to be like the Liberator or a big bore pellet gun. I agree with the statement regarding the .45 ACP for bear in Alaska, I’d much prefer a modern .45 Colt that I could hot load up close to .454 Casull, better yet my very manageable 480 Ruger, more knock down than the .454, more manageable than a .500. Then you have all the offerings by Magnum Research in their BFR line.

      I haven’t seen anyone mention that 450 pounds is a good size black bear and considering how large browns and grizzlies can get the .45 ACP is not the tool for the job. This guy doesn’t sound like someone versed in the outdoors, more like he read some article written by animal lovers saying how you can protect yourself from bears by shooting a few warning shots. Guess he didn’t know that for bears in Alaska, a gun shot can be like ringing the dinner bell!

    4. I agree that a 45 is probably not the best choice for a bear but it’s certainly better than a cap gun! Let’s not forget that it killed the bear. Furthermore, while the hi point pistols may not be made from quality materials, they are very reliable. I have a hi point 45 and I’ve never had a problem with it. It’s not my best pistol but it beats a knife any day of the week.

  14. @ Deese.

    I, agree with and the Alaskan State Police, there’s something about this Bear kill. That don’t Feel Right, Smell Right, Sound Right, in any way shape and form.

    1. Read Steven Herrero’s Bear Attacks: Their Causes and Avoidance. Or, even, Night of the Grizzlies by Jack Olsen. They are both available on Amazon.

      Then get back to us on your opinion of this incident.

  15. @ Chamuiel.

    You say he bought his Hi-Point .45ACP, three week earlier. I doubt, he bought it in Alaska. No reputable Alaskan Gun Store Owner, worth his weight in gold. Would sell a CHEAP/SCHLOCK hand gun at their store. The IDIOT either brought it up with him from the lower 48’s Or, he made a shady back alley deal with someone in Alaska, with only $200. USD. in his pockets!

    1. ” In fact, he purchased the Hi-Point just three weeks prior to carry while fishing – ” Purchased while fishing….
      The one you have is always worth more than the one you don’t.

  16. Anyone wonder why he has his 4-wheeler out if the bear got shot several times on the front porch and ran 50 feet? I’m no expert, (yes I am) but this looks pretty fabricated. Good job hi-point. For the record: I am NOT trusting my life in Alaska to a .45 (which I carry everyday). I would like my chances a lot better with a .454. And who grabs a handgun in Alaska when the bears come calling. Twice….

    1. And a 454 has a terrible recoil, I have two which I shoot well. It would be much easier to keep a 45 ACP in play than the big boomer. Just keep the shots centered on the vitals as this person did and commend him for his good shooting in this instance. .

    2. Screw the hand gun, I am going to use whatever makes the largest primary cavity. This means an M87 cal. .50 rifle or a 12 ga. shotgun with 3.5″ magnum shells shooting slugs.

    3. @ ebola Cote d’lorie.

      I’ll just use my trusty M-1E6 Sniper/Garand .30.06 (7.62x63mm), with the rounds reversed. And SPALLING, speak for itself. SPALLING makes so pretty good sized holes.

    4. Having worked in Alaska for 30+ years as a commercial salmon fisherman and having a few days off each week I spent all that time sport fishing or hunting . I’d count fish for the F&G in the many streams when I could volunteer time and also clean streams of debris that was stopping fish from their spawning areas .
      I have seen hundreds and hundreds of bear if not thousands and many times within feet of each other . The smallest rifle I used was a .338 and most often a 12ga. with 00buck , 1st round and slugs after that . Had many charges but never had to shoot .
      A .45 will just make em’ mad and you may as well commit suicide . Had this guy been at ground level he’d been a snack . I’ve never heard of anyone that didn’t have a “BIG” gun till this guy .

  17. I had a .40 cal hi-point pistol a few years back it was brand new. Me and a friend went to the range to shoot he had a glock .40 also new.

    We both shot the same amount of bullets (100 bullets \ 2 boxes of Remington umc 180 grain)

    My hi-point jammed 10 times his Glock didn’t jam once. So we tried some cheap tul-ammo about 25 rounds in his glock and same result not one jam.

    The hi-point also rubbed the skin off between my thumb & my index finger. I ended up getting a glock 22 .40 cal, shot hundreds of rounds and never had a jam …also still have all my skin.

    I wouldn’t trust my life on a hi-point..that’s my experience.

    1. You probably cause the jams yourself.

      Either your friend, or yourself had made you leary of the Hipoint.

      That is the way it works.

      It was your excuse to get a Glock.

    2. Your entire comment is assumption. which most of us know is the mother all fu-ups

      I’ll stick to the facts.

      I’m not a “brand” guy. I have things I swear by that are the generic versions so it being my excuse to get a glock is ridiculous.

      What is really funny about your comment is that by your own statement you come off as standing up for Hi-Point..

      I think agree with other commentator’s now on the reason fro this article. pretty obvious now.

      are you really that dimwitted ?

      one weapon failed 10 times and the other didn’t and the reason was my friend made me leary of hi-point to the point it created a mechanical failure in the weapon by pulling the trigger the same as i pulled the trigger on the glock?

      please don’t leave the house with that kind of logic its a wonder you have lived this long.

    3. @chamuiel, you seem very educated and astute. Are you the Hi-Point rep? How can I purchase one of these fine pieces of craftsmanship? Can I trade my Glock for a couple boxes of bullets to acquire the much sought after Hi-Point? Please advise.

  18. @ Josh.

    You couldn’t wear enough Kevlar Body Armor to stop a Ballista Bolt. You could kill a Seriously Pissed of T-Rex with a Ballista Bolt.

  19. @ David.

    That is the $64,000. question? I think this guy is a lower 48-transplant. And knows, almost, absolutely nothing about liver in Alaska. He probably couldn’t afford a real Alaskan Show Stopper, So he got the cheapest thing he could find, or he brought it up with him. Thinking that, that’s all he was going to need, too live in the wilds, or semi-wilds of Alaska.

    1. @ chamuiel.

      Sorry about that, It’s supposed to say “living”. I have a hard time reading and seeing 10H Blue on a White Screen Background. My BAD!

  20. I’m confused about the discussion of a suspicious bear killing. It sounds like a murder investigation now. My feeling is shoot a bear before it charges you.

    Regarding Glocks, I rely on my 2 Glock 10mm’s in my home and in the city, and I’d trust one any day over a Hi-Point. But I feel Glock doesn’t make anything big enough for me to take into the forest. I guess you can only take the plastic frame concept so far.

    1. @ SS1.

      The Article mentioned, that the Alaskan State Police. Are speculating that the Brown Bear killing, looks like a suspicious Bear/Wildlife Killing. Tom Buehler, posted a comment about Glock Pistol’s be Schlocks (yeddish word Meaning Cheap). I responded in by agreeing with him. Then RGRound, posted a comment about Hi-Point 45ACP having 9-round magazines, and not 7-round magazines like Colt Commander .45ACP hand gun. And, then I resopnded by asking him what happen to the other 2-rounds in the magazine. The shooter in the picture, didn’t pose with the gun in the picture. Like any proud shooter of a Brown Bear with a cheap Hi-point .45ACP would do. So, I posed the question, of what happened too the gun and the other 2-unused rounds. If the shooter doesn’t have the gun , then its safe too assume that the Alaskan State Police have the gun with the 2-unfired bullets. And, then that where You came into the picture. And lastly, too RGRound. If your reading this posting, also. I converted my Colt Commander .45APC semi-automatic pistol, into an “artillery pistol” (i.e. Carbine configuration).

    2. @ Add on supplement.

      My Artillery Pistol/Carbine conversion, now has 21-round .45ACP magazines. Just in case you were wondering.

    3. you obviously either didn’t read the whole story or have the attention span of a gnat. he fired 2 warning shots the first time the bear rattled his house, and does not mention that he reloaded before the second visit.

    4. @ mr. bad example.

      It really depend on, HOW he shot those Warning Shots. If he shot the two shots into the air or ground to scare away the bear, HE FAILED. But, if he shot two warning shots Center-Mass-to-the-Chest. Then, he SUCCEEDED. In just pissing the bear even more then it already was before. At which point, What Was He Going to Do, NEXT. I Think this IDIOT wanted too know whether a .45ACP would kill a bear. Not knowing what he was dealing with.

    5. Did you read the article? It says he purchased the Hi point three weeks before the run in with the bear.

  21. Ok…you’re in Alaska and the only weapon you have is a pistol. Am I the only one asking…Where is the RIFLE?

  22. Don’t you just hate gun snobs? If it ain’t a Glock you’re a schlock, mentality is what makes an average gun a best seller. I’ll bet these guys even root for the Chicago Cubs – perennial losers. When I shoot my Steyr M9A1at the range, I’m constantly asked by others to try it out. After putting a mag or two through it they’re convinced that their Glocks are the true schlock.

    1. @ Tom Buehler.

      The last time I held a Glock in my hand was back in 1988. It was a Glock 17, in 9x19mmParabellum. And the Gun Store Owner assured me that this type of gun was they way of the future. It felt unreal, like a child’s toy. And like you said schlock “CHEAP”. But price wise , it wasn’t cheap by any means. And by 1988, prices. Over $1,000. USD. I left the store with Colt Government 1911 .45ACP semi-automatic pistol. At a little less than 1/3 the price. The Colt Government 1911, felt REAL, not plastic like. Not CHEAP/SCHOCK.

  23. On this story about the 450LB. bear you used a .45 caliber high point hand gun good job. Do think that would work with a Walther PPQ M2 9MM or Not?

  24. I own a 40 cal Hi-point and I love it round after round it keeps putting lead on target. I call it my little John Deer ugly as hell but works every time.

  25. hey dummy the high point pistol did not kill the brown bear a 45 caliber bullet did the brand of gun does not matter its the shooter that determines the place of the shot it is the bullets place to kill and a 45 no matter the brand of gun is to small for any bear

  26. Adding a bit more I must say as other have, the bullets used in the weapon don’t care what is making them go off. Accuracy is in the weapon and the shooters ability so if the weapon shoots straight and does so on command why the turmoil on this particular company. It appears they are here to stay and are American made …
    Sounds kinda like my Glock or my Colt is the only way or the highway thought.
    I have both of the aforementioned in my safe and under my clothes at different time so I can vouch for them but this argument of the low priced entry is odd unless it is being driven by the major weapons manufactures

  27. First, I am not a High Point owner or fan but I have to ask this pair questions to those who are against the weapon.
    Besides the constant online bad mouthing have any of you actually seen or own a High Point of any caliber that failed to do it’s job when the trigger was pulled ?. I understand from a few online forums that their customer service and warranty (lifetime) is beyond reproach. So what is the beef on this weapon manufacture ? Low price point or just because it is not appealing to the eyes. Again I do not own one or sell them.

    1. Part of it is that they are ugly and bulky. The barrel is very thick metal, presumably due to the poor quality of said metal, requiring much more of it to handle the pressures and do the job. Another alleged aspect is that the firing pin and extractor are so closely tied together that a hi point can become an unintentional, unstoppable fully automatic pistol. It’s like this, some people drive a geo metro, some people drive a Mercedes. They can both get to pretty much the same places, but you’ll never convince a Benz driver that a Metro is just as good or better because it’s cheaper.

  28. Hi points complete junk and to have one to defend ur family against bears is just stupid. That man got extremly lucky and thank god he did.

    1. If you have proof of what you say. Prove it. Everyone knows that opinions are like @$$holes, everybody has one.

  29. I’ll still never own a hi-point. I can’t see the point of carrying a brick with a 9mm, .40, or .45 hole drilled in the middle of it. If this were a story about a man using a bow and arrow to kill the bear, I wouldn’t be thinking of trading my Sig or even giving a second thought to buying a bow.

    1. The world is full of gun snobs. Just because you have a new corvette in the garage, doesn’t mean you do not own an old pickup truck to haul brush and loan to your friends. It is the best way to keep their hand of your vette.

    2. @ Josh.

      When you refer to BOW, are you referring to a horizontal bow-type. Also known as a “Ballista”.

    3. The type of bow really doesn’t matter. If it was a story about a dude tying a ribbon around the bear, I’m not unpacking a gun to make room for ribbon.

  30. a shoulder shot would be good but not with a 45 the key to alaska is to defend youre self with the biggest gun you can shot accurately.

  31. The bear managed to walk 50 feet after being shot seven times? That’s not exactly a ringing endorsement of using .45ACP against a brown bear. Just think about how much damage a pissed off, dying bear can inflict in the time it takes for it to bleed out. You might end up killing the animal, but he’ll take you with him!

    1. Cory I was thinking the same thing, but you put it into words very well. I’m not a hunter, so maybe others can chime in, but I would be aiming for his front shoulder so he couldn’t chase me, and hoping the bullet would penetrate further. I think I read once that bears have a tiny brain, so head shots may just get you a crazier bear.

    2. @ ss1.

      Personally, I think this IDIOT bought himself a “Cheap in Price” semi-automatic hand gun, and was testing it’s effectiveness. When this unfortunate brown bear, after hearing gun shots Came along. probably trying to determine, whether or not, it was going to get a free meal, on some shooter kill. And the the IDIOT with the hand gun, thought about testing the .45ACP gun stopping power, out on the 450-pound Brown Bear. He probably enraged the bear with the first test shot, and only noticing the bear didn’t or wasn’t going to go down without a fight. Decided to empty the entire .45ACP magazine into the bear. I mean after all, what was he going too do.do. You have a “Now, Royal Pissed-Off Brown Bear”, and he’s probably going to KILL YOU. What were his options, Run into the house and endanger his family, runaway from a brown bear, unlikely, empty a cheap 45 magazine into the bear hoping that will a least slow him down. The IDIOT got lucky, for NOW. But, I have a feeling the Alaska State Police is going to come back and him questions. That, I’m pretty sure of, he’s not going to want to answer.

    3. @ undeRGRound.

      My question to you is then. Where’s the other two-rounds, The shooter didn’t pose the gun with the Brown Bear kill in the picture. Where’s the gun, do the Alaskan State Police have the gun and the two, unfired rounds Because the stated police said it looked like a suspicious bear killing.

    4. Seriously? The young man had a .45 handgun & used it. The bear’s dead & there were no injuries to the family. He used what was at his disposal in the most intelligent way possible. And you’re arguing about what he should have used if he’d had it at his disposal? Flippin rediculous!

  32. @ ss1.

    I use to be US. Army AH-1S Attack Helicopter, Armorer and Repair Specialist. Remembering calibers and sub-types, is a automatic memory reflex. Similar to muscle memory, when you do something so often, it become a force of habit. My wife say’s it drives her crazy sometimes. I mean, I not even aware that I’m doing it, because its automatic to me. Sorry, I’ll try to curb the habit. But, I’m not promising anything.

    1. @Secundius, it sounds like you had an interesting career. Now I know where your deep knowledge comes from.

      I looked up the 50 Beowulf and did some reading and viewing on it. I like it, but my feeling is that if you want to carry an AR type weapon in the woods, and considering the cost and limited offerings of the ammo, I would rather carry my AR-10 with some Winchester Powerpoints, or maybe even something with more explosive tips. I feel the superior velocity of the 308 would make it just as deadly as the 50 Beowulf.

      But I don’t want to carry an AR type weapon on a public hiking trail. I don’t want to scare or alarm any families or normal hikers……normal as in people who don’t hang out on gun forums, LOL!!

      As far as your other suggested caliber goes, the Chevytac 416, I quit researching it because the images I saw of the guns looked a little bit too elaborate. Maybe I didn’t research it enough.

    2. @ ss1.

      You might try the C-More M26 Civilian, 12-Gauge Shotgun collection. A little pricey, but lightweight and compact, too.

  33. Hi-Points are great! The handguns are basically ugly and clunky, but they are tough as heck and, in my experience (and those of my friends), very accurate. Like shooting with a brick, but they certainly get the job done!

    A great, inexpensive, sturdy firearm manufactured by a forward-looking American company – you can’t miss with one of these.

  34. I can’t vouch for the pistols…..YET, still want to get one, just can’t decide
    between a 9mm or 40 S&W. I do have the 995 rifle and it gets
    it up pretty good with all ammo makes. Real happy with it after
    2 years. Getting the 9mm would be the obvious selection
    do to my stores of ammo, but the C9 just feels to small for me.

    1. I’ve owned a HiPoint .40 for several years now & run hundreds of rounds thru it. It’s a sturdy, inexpensive, accurate, & reliable handgun. Love it. No reason for me to pay more. I purchased an HP 9mm approx a year later but the 9 is way more sensitive to ammo. I need to use good brand name stuff. I’ve gotten quite a few jams with reloaded ammo that I’ve bought or reloaded by a friend. I’ve had no probs with the same type reloads in the .40.

    2. @ John.

      Virginia State Police, has determined that 1-shot from a .357SIG will stop a large attacking dog dead in it’s tracks, while it take multiple-shots from a 9-mil. to do the same. Paying it forward, information.

  35. I have owned hi-point guns for over25 years, they are great firearms to own , I would not trade mine for anything, American made in lima, ohio

  36. I’m somewhat curious, where’s to gun? Its not in photograph, of the bear kill. Isn’t usually customary to show of your ‘Pride and Joy” gun in the kill shot photograph. Does the owner still have the gun, or, does the Alaskan State Police have the gun!

  37. As a gunsmith I had very low expectations of Hi-Point products. I will not work on them, but only because the manufacturer provides a lifetime warranty. My impression of their products did change however when I had the opportunity to test their 9mm pistol. I put no less than 500 rounds of misc. ammo through the gun and no matter what I did I couldn’t get the gun to fail. My point in this comment is to say don’t knock it for its price or its looks. Its a gun that goes bang when you need it to and for me thats what’s important. I don’t sell these guns, but I do build custom 1911 and Glock pistols (both of which need occasional tuning out of the box (factory pistols….customs are tuned during customizing). For price conscious consumers I think these pistols are just fine.

  38. Loved this Hi-Point commercial ! For his eighth shot he could have thrown the gun–it’s as heavy as a Redhawk .44mag.

    Are we supposed to seriously buy the notion that a Hi-Point is anything more than a gun you’d shoot from an elevated porch ? Exactly.

  39. For what it’s worth, a friend who is much more knowledgeable about the various brands of semiautomatic pistols than me has a low opinion of them and claims they’re famous for jamming. Looking back at that article I think he was lucky to be firing from the second floor and not face to face with the beast. Any Alaskans out their want to comment? My gun smith sells 44 magnums to anyone who is going “north to Alaska.”

    1. @ Hank Alvarez.

      Who uses a $200 or less USD. hand gun of any caliber for personal defense in Alaska? NOBODY I know, living in Alaska!

      Remember, in Alaska your not on top of the Food Chain, YOU PART OF THE FOOD CHAIN!

    2. I have 2 .45 ACP hi-pt, and they have never jammed. It’s not a good gun for carry because it weighs a ton (figuratively), but if you are using for cheap protection, if you run out of bullets, you still can beat a man or animal to death..it’s like having a sledge hammer 🙂 …but I love the gun.

  40. You guy’s might want to read about Bear Kill story, from the Sterling, Alaska press release, a little more carefully before you make any conclusions. The 450-pound Brown Bear was killed on the mourning of 31 July 2014, at around 5:30 AM. With a said $200. USD. .45ACP Hi-Point pistol. But not with 1-shot, but 7-Center Mass Shots to the Chest area. And, while the bear was shot on the front porch of the house, the didn’t die their. The Alaska State Police, determined that the bear died of blood-loss, several yards from the house.

  41. If a 45 is a 45 then what ammo was he using. I’m assuming it wasn’t armor piercing? They missed a great opportunity to plug a product.

    1. @ Hank Alvarez.

      That might explain why he’s not posing with the Hi-Point, If the Alaskan State Police have it. Because the State Police, did have suspicions about it being legal kill.

  42. This article does NOT get me excited about the Hi-Point, but it was rather enlightening to know that a .45 ACP brought down a bear. It gives me confidence that when I go hiking in the woods with my 50AE on my hip, and my 44 magnum as backup in my backpack, I can get the job done.

    Also realize that this guy was just taking pot shots from his balcony, so carrying bigger guns than a .45 ACP in the wild is a better idea.

    1. @ ss1.

      I would think either the .50 Beawulf .50-inch/(12.7x42mm) or the CheyTac 416 .408-inch/(10.4x77mm), would be much easier to carry. And you have a “One Caliber, Shoots All” round.

    2. @Esteban Cafe, I only mentioned a backup gun because I do happen to be afraid of bears, and who wants a gun to jam when you see a bear? You made mention in another post about the weight of a Ruger Super Redhawk, and that’s what I have, with a 7.5″ barrel. All I can say to you is that I’m always in the gym lifting weights, and the Super Redhawk seems light to me, and it’s the most stable and accurate pistol I’ve ever owned.

      @Secundius, I enjoy so many of your posts. You are very astute on all kinds of guns, like way more than me. I will look up the 2 calibers that you mentioned, but you have to realize that I just bought my Desert Eagle and I absolutely love it. The Hornady ammo shoots so frickin smooth. I have a holster that was specifically made for it, but the only thing I need for hiking with it is some stiffer/thicker jeans or shorts, and some much thicker underwear to deal with the rubbing of the holster clip (I also use the belt loop simultaneously). I wore it around the gun range to test it out, and that’s how I know this.

  43. I tell you what, I have a “Hi-Point” TS4595 carbine fully loaded with bi-pod, muzzle suppressor, front fore grip, tactical light, a sniper mounted red dot scope, 3 magazines and a dual stock magazine holder that is reliable, not very pretty to look at but when it comes to reliability, well, I think it’s right up there with some of the more costly rifles. Besides, how can you pass it up with a “life time warranty” and at a price that anyone can afford. Never had any “hiccups” what so ever. Outside of my wife, I love it.

  44. There also an old WW1 Scottish “Ghillie” Sniper Trick called Spalling that will do the same thing. Reverse the bullet in the cartridge casing, where blunted end faces forward and conical end faces the powder charge. When the blunted end hits the bears skull. It causes “spalling” on the inside of the skull, “spalling is caused when the skulls bone fragments and the energy transfer propels the skull fragments into the brain. Which has the effect of shredding the brain and killing the bear instantly.

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