Why Does the USDA Need Submachine Guns?

By Woody published on in Chronicle, News

We’re hoping the Cheaper Than Dirt! community can help us understand something: Why is the USDA soliciting the “commerical [sic] acquisition of submachine guns, .40 Cal. S&W?”

USDA Cow

Submachine guns for USDA?

That’s what the Department of Agriculture asked for in a May 7 solicitation on FedBizOpps.gov. The website is described as “the single government point-of-entry (GPE) for Federal government procurement opportunities over $25,000. Government buyers are able to publicize their business opportunities by posting information directly to FedBizOpps via the Internet.”

USDA Firearms Solicitation Number USDAOIGWEA-5-7-14

USDA Solicitation Number USDAOIGWEA-5-7-14

This particular solicitation, Number USDAOIGWEA-5-7-14, was posted by the Department of Agriculture’s Office of the Inspector General, specifically the Procurement Branch of the IG’s office.

The Dept. of Agriculture specified the guns needing an “ambidextrous safety, semi-automatic or 2 shot burts [sic] trigger group, Tritium night sights for front and rear, rails for attachment of flashlight (front under fore grip) and scope (top rear).”

Other specifications include: the stock should be “collapsible or folding,” the magazines should be “30 rd. capacity,” should have fittings for a sling, be light weight, and have an “oversized trigger guard for gloved operation.”

We understand the IG offices have law-enforcement functions and IG agents can be or are armed, but 40-caliber submachine guns seem a little over the top to us.

Emails and phone calls to the procurement management branch have gone unanswered, so we’re looking for some insight about why the “cow cops” might need submachine guns.

What’s next: A SWAT team for the Consumer Product Safety Commission? Or the Department of Education? Uh, wait.

Let us hear what you think in the comment section.

 

 

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  • Beau

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    Thanks BF. The only reason I sleep well at night is because I know you and the majority of Americans agree with me. As a veteran, it pains me to see those who have never experienced the bloody carnage and aftermath of war or have travelled to heavily armed countries are the same ones calling for guns everywhere here in the US, while they simultaneously lament the ‘passing’ of the 1960’s era lifestyle. Beaver Cleavers dad didn’t open carry OR concealed carry. Almost nobody did back then. This macho gun crap sickens me – especially from a bunch of people who’ve never served in combat. They’re weak and afraid, which makes them gullible to the mantra of fear of government, and countless conspiracy theories about this and that. The deranged right wants us to believe our ‘forefathers were all totin’ guns, all day, everywhere, everyday. It’s BS and they know it.

    The old west cities ALL had gun control zones where you were required to turn in your guns. One of the most notorious efforts to defying a lawful order to hand over their weapons occurred at the infamous OK Corral. It ended badly for the lawbreakers who refused to turn over their guns in Tombstone, they were dead in 30 seconds.

    I’d like to see some common sense return to America, but it appears this minority and the NRA will prevent that, sadly. It’s too bad, because I strongly believe we can keep our guns AND protect ourselves from senseless gun violence here in the US if common sense took hold.

    Gun controls are NOT NEW and they’re not all bad. I will keep my guns, and yes, I have a concealed carry permit because, after all, it’s Florida, and the stupid runs deep here. I also realize the world is a more dangerous place today, but MOST of the hysteria surrounding gun control and mass shootings has been instigated by Wayne LaPierre and his ‘NRA’, which represents the gun industry (of which I am a part), for profits sake only.

    I’ll repeat that; The NRA and the gun industry is promoting fear, rebellion and outright lawlessness to promote PROFITS for manufacturers like me. It’s wrong and the NRA does not speak for me. I only wish the extremists on the other side could see this for what it is. The two cops executed in Las Vegas last week by a pair of teabaggers happened to be accompanied by another person with a concealed carry pistol. They failed to either shoot the teabaggers, or protect anyone. So much for the senseless argument that more guns make us more safe. There have been 74 school shootings since Newtown. We’re better than that.

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    • Stuart Howard

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      Exactly right on.

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    • Gary

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      Beau you are full of it. Bovine excrement.

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    • Beau

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      Aw! My feelings are hurt. NOT!
      I know the truth hurts. And you TEA baggers need to realize that MOST of America hates you and all you stand for. You are UNAmerican.

      If you’ll stop nibbling on the bat guano stuck on the ceiling of your outhouse, your condition may clear up, in time.

      In the meantime, I’ll enjoy the FAT profits I make off your fear of your fellow Americans. Go ahead, buy another gun, I can, and will use those profits to work against turds like you.

      Think about it. . .You pay me to work against your interests. Hell, I’m doing the same thing the Republican party does – stickin’ it to the very people who pay me. Sweet.

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    • Stuart Howard

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      It is good to see someone that sees through the FB mentality that so many people have these days. Anyone that has been around the block, fact checks, actually knows politics (and how both sides work) should know that what you say is true. But, sad to say many believe only what they want to believe and facts and history mean nothing. Thanks.

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    • G-Man

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      @ Gary: Don’t concern yourself with Beau. If you knew what I knew you’d laugh at what a waste of your time he really is. I ran a BI on him a while back and he is a harmless and ineffectual little twit with no real power beyond his keyboard.

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    • Beau

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      You did NO SUCH THING! The only thing you’ve run is perhaps a finger up your own backside.

      And why are you spying on me? Don’t you believe in the Constitution? Were you always a lawbreaker, working for the Federal Government?

      Do tell. . .

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  • dprato

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    Not so fast: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_eligible_voters_are_registered_to_vote_in_the_United_States?#slide=2

    There are 150 million registered voters out of a potential 207,643,594. The number of 100 million firearm owners is a number the FBI has been using since before Obama was elected. With another 65 million plus firearms sold that 100 million number is probably a low estimate. So I am not sure where you got your numbers but the bottom line will be that there will be on control legislation passed in Congress before or after November 2014 and there will be a whole lot fewer Democrats in office after November 2014. So lets see who is going to be right when the people speak. Me or You

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  • dprato

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    That one sentence should have read “no gun control legislation”.

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  • BF

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    Well, at least you still believe in Democracy. There is hope. I think you are right that nothing will happen before November. I don’t think you are right about how the mid terms will shake out. But that’s okay, that’s the beauty of democracy. We all have a voice, and WE decide where we go. In fact, WE decided to elect Obama, not once but twice. Hopefully once Obama’s presidency is over, we can lose the hyperbole and talk about real stuff, not blue hatted UN invasion troops setting up concentration camps in North Texas.

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    • Walker Evans

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      As a veteran who has seen the carnage of war, a CCL holder, a person who is familiar with our government (22 years military active and 20 civilian employee), and an avid reader of the Constitutions and the Framers correspondence, I have to say a couple of things:

      1) The United States is NOT a democracy! It is a democratic republic, which is entirely different.
      2) I am not a member of the TEA party, but I do believe this country is headed in the wrong direction. The single promise Obama made that he has tried his absolute best to keep is the one to “fundamentally change America”. For example, he keeps saying he supports the Second Amendment but has publicly stated that he doesn’t believe anyone should be allowed to own a gun.
      3) He hand picked people to surround him in positions of power who have no respect for the Rule of Law including, ironically, Eric Holder. As AG he ordered the termination an investigation into voter intimidation by the Black Panthers, and is now threatening to take action against states requiring photo IDs to vote because THAT, in his opinion, is designed to disenfranchise minority voters … the same folks who have no problem with providing an ID to buy alcohol.

      There is definitely hypocrisy and hyperbole going on now, but the majority of it is coming from black racists, which does include Eric Holder and, since he won’t rein in his AG, appears to in the POTUS.

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    • Beau

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      Please provide proof the Potus said that. Thats BS and you know it.
      Stop watching FAUX newz. They lie for sport.

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    • Steven

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      Elections no longer matter. What do we get if we “win” an election? More politicians! Both parties conspire against us to fleece our paychecks and usurp our rights. Both parties CONTINUALLY sell us down the river on personal freedoms, liberty and especially gun rights.We have never ( thankfully) lived in a democracy in the US. We once had a Representative Republic -but that is gone. VOTING, only gets us more of the same.

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  • dprato

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    Nice that you see it as a you and us thing. That is one of many negatives Obama has created, you and us. I think if you want to deal with reality you look at the polls over the last few months. People albeit slowly are starting to realize that YOU did elect and incompetent, lying, anti American as President.
    The polls also show that Democrats could be on the verge of the worst shellacking they have had in years. So I wouldn’t crow to much about electing a person who may destroy his own party. Like you said just my opinion.

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  • dprato

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    Well so much for your belief in the integrity of the Federal Government. I notice it pressed your button when you thought they were violating YOUR rights. Hypocrisy is a great thing, to be blind until your OX gets gored. A lesson to be learned here Beau.

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    • Beau

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      So it’s OK for g-man to abuse the system illegally, but it’s wrong when he works, or worked for the federal government, as the purported g-man claims to have done? Or does his crime automatically transfer his personal guilt to the Federal Government? How handy would that be?! The Fed made me do it! That’s it. . .the Fed made him run a BI on me. Is that your story? Really? That’s weaker’n kittin piss.

      Me thinketh tho hath played out thy weak hand.
      Thus endeth the trick.

      You’re both dismissed.

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  • G-Man

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    @ Walker Evans: These are excellent points you’ve brought up. So exceptional that I wish to categorically elaborate on a few:

    1) Instantiating the difference between our system as a republic versus a democracy is quite important. Understanding the distinction between the two is paramount before one may begin to comprehend the intended function of our government. Once a person becomes educated on the differences they are usually shocked at how warped their sense of politics were and must rethink everything they thought they knew.

    2a) You state you are not a member of the Tea Party. Well no one really is. There is no card-carrying membership per se, and it is not a political party that one may join. It is a movement with a collection of varying ideals that people either choose to support or reject and may do so to varying degrees, yet still be respected.

    The beauty of the Tea Party school of thought is similar to the Constitution which establishes each sovereign state as having their own separate right to laws, meaning – it is acceptable for Tea Party ideology to vary from region-to-region based on the needs within each specific region. So you see, a person shows their extreme ignorance and prejudice when they attempt to label and lump people into the Tea Party all as one big group. So to some extent we are all members of the Tea Party movement, but to varying degrees.

    But then of course you have the elitist liberals from the top that fear this movement and effectively prey upon their under-educated constituency by pumping them with repugnant anti-Tea Party talking points that are then repeated over and over in forums such as this by people of extremely low intellect.

    None of their twaddle is even close to the truth, but they’re too stupid to know better. First they are trained like an unbroken puppy to call anyone that doesn’t agree with them a “tea-bagger”. From there all “tea-baggers” must be labelled as racists, which of course means they must hate Obama. And naturally since they hate Obama they must be anti-government.

    It is truly unbelievable how sick and whipped the mind of a liberal really is. They are scrawny little followers that require coddling in all things social. They crave to be managed until the day they die. It’s outright dangerous really. I submit that liberals be placed at the top of the list should they ever decide to actually start enforcing the existing mental illness gun-control laws.

    But I digress, the simple reality is the Tea Party is nothing more than a movement to remind the Federal Government of their original duties as set forth by the Constitution, which grants it very specific, but limited powers. The primary goal of the Tea Party is to educate the less educated on the real government responsibilities as set forth by law, and to have redress through legal protests.

    The desired outcomes would be a smaller federal government through reduced special interest expenditures with the ultimate goal of reducing the federal budget deficit. The subsequent reduced spending would allow the people to realize and enjoy much needed tax relief, thus ensuring economic prosperity. But to liberals I suppose that is somehow an extremist, racist, and kooky thought.

    2b) Obama’s anti-gun position is a well-known fact brought to light through many published books, University of Chicago Law faculty, and hundreds of unbiased media outlets willing to print the truth. There is a direct quote from Obama by the esteemed Dr. John R. Lott, Ph.D., which resulted from a conversation between Obama and himself in public:

    ‘When I was first introduced to Obama, he said: “Oh, you’re the gun guy.” ‘I responded: “Yes, I guess so.” “I don’t believe that people should be able to own guns,” Obama replied. I then suggested that it might be fun to have lunch and talk about that statement sometime. He simply grimaced and turned away, ending the conversation. That was the way numerous interactions with Obama went.’

    So you see, Obama’s true stance on gun-control couldn’t be made any clearer than this. But alas, there are simple idiots that believe everything a politician says to get elected. Never mind Obama’s documented lies, some by his own mouth, that have since been uncovered throughout this administration; and yet liberals still worship and forgive him. Thereafter they convince themselves as to which lies they want to believe or ignore, but never actually challenge.

    3) You’ve made an excellent point that the Obama administration does not find it racist to require minorities to show ID when it comes to their purchase of alcohol and cigarettes, but it is suddenly prejudiced when requiring ID to establish citizenship for voting.

    The reason Holder must maintain this as a racist-civil rights issue is so that it legally remains within his purview of control. Voting laws are clearly a matter for each state to decide upon, so the only way Obama can keep his lap-dog in this fight is to have Holder fabricate it into a federal civil rights issue. Otherwise the liberal elements in Federal Government would have no legal say and would forfeit all those illegal alien votes.

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    • Beau

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      Wrong, wrong, racist and wrong again. You’re dribbling out both ends g-man.

      No to scrawny and little – I’m 6’4″ and 220 lbs.

      There is NO tea bagger organization or structure because they can’t agree on anything but more guns and hating to pay the very taxes most tea baggers live on. Remember, RED STATES are welfare states (with a couple of exceptions).

      Wanting guns everywhere and hating taxes and our twice elected President is hardly a national agenda or platform to run on.

      G-man gets a government check to live on. He hates that same government.

      I do NOT get a government check every month and I should pay more taxes and I just want an efficient, smart government that isn’t looking to start a war for no reason and isn’t a tool for big corporations to manipulate for profit..

      Once we finish fixing all the economic damage that Bush, Cheney and the neocons, teabaggers and republicans did to this country in their lopsided ‘patriotism’ drive, then you can MAYBE get another right-wing moron to screw it all up again. Until then, we’ll just keep fixing huge chunks of our economy to restore the country financially.

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  • G-Man

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    Ladies and gentlemen of the forum, I am somewhat excited to announce for your entertainment pleasure only… BEAU.

    Yes folks, in all his ignorant bliss and simpleton followership he has in fact unwittingly offered himself up as a prime case example to substantiate every word of my claims above.

    Just feast your eyes on his blather of sheer ignorance and hatred. Oh the sub-intellect is almost too unbearable to believe. But there it is for you all to see, in all its glory… forever archived on the Internet.

    Ladies and gentleman you won’t see this level of stupidity just anywhere, nope this is an exceptional example of a functioning Cro-Magnon specimen operating at basic brainstem level only. Too stupefied to even be aware of his own clown-like existence.

    Please folks try to refrain from too much humoristic indulgence that would normally be elicited from witnessing such inane acts of self-deprecation; because it is in fact quite a sad state of affairs that Beau must endure. We should actually pity him.

    Well that’s about all folks. Thank you… and drive home safely this evening.

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    • Beau

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      That is your response?
      Yep, you played out.

      Looks like I hit a nerve.

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    • G-Man

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      Hey Beau, what does that even mean? Last I checked I wasn’t addressing you. And even if I was, you are so out of touch with reality that your comments don’t come close to a coherent match with the flow of content here.

      It’s like you’ve answered “3” when the question had nothing at all to do with math. No matter how hard you try, you can’t progress by forcing a square peg into a round hole (I can break that down for you if you like).

      You are so self-absorbed and delusional that you actually perceive I’ve been addressing you. You’re an insult to humanity and truly not worthy of my time… other than to run a BI to ensure you’re not a real danger to anyone.

      And while you think you’re appropriately responding to others, your attempts are childlike and reminiscent of that stupid kid everyone laughed at back in grade school. You know – the one that didn’t know how to form a good comeback after being horrendously slammed by someone far more intellectual.

      You are terribly out of your league here and still haven’t got a clue.

      I can tell you are the type that thinks they are polished and accomplished but in reality completely clueless that those around you laugh inside and just tolerate your nonsense while desperately trying to find a way to escape your company. Sadly you have no idea this is going on and persist with acquaintances that have no real intent of investing anything worthwhile into a relationship with you.

      Though you won’t admit it, you know deep inside there is truth to how I’ve described you. So you have two options, continue being the miserable asshole you are, or actually try to pull yourself up and out of the cesspool you’ve spent years digging for yourself.

      Look, it’s a bitter angry and unhealthy lifestyle you’ve chosen for yourself and it will only lead to more health issues in the future (you know what I mean).

      If you could truly see yourself from someone else’s eyes you would have stopped long ago. Please trust me on this.

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    • Beau

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      So when you say: “Ladies and gentlemen of the forum, I am somewhat excited to announce for your entertainment pleasure only… BEAU.”
      you weren’t addressing me? Right.

      Your mental gears are slipping. Perhaps the dreaded Alzheimer has come to your noggin for a permanent stay.

      You are not trusted and this next election will prove you teabaggers have done nothing but demonstrate your ignorance.

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    • G-Man

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      @ Beau: Ah took you a few days to think of a come-back. Well you are correct; I was not addressing you. Probably the only thing you’ve been right about in any post thus far.

      I don’t know what the rest of your jibber-jabber was about, probably an angry attempt at an insult, but in the first portion you’d be correct in that I was only addressing “Ladies and Gentlemen”, which of course, by any definition, excludes you.

      See unlike you, I can be fair and admit when someone gets an answer right no matter how unpleasant you are otherwise. So thanks for taking the time to clarify my statement.

      And remember, we’ve already discussed you carrying all that stress and anger will worsen your condition. So please try through all your misery to at least find some happiness in this day. Take care now Beau.

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