Reader Comments of the Week — December 16, 2017

By Dave Dolbee published on in General

Even regular readers of The Shooter’s Log can’t read or respond to all of the comments, so we have started a new weekly feature that will recap a sampling of the most active, interesting, or on occasion, randomly selected comments from the previous weeks. Feel free to respond with your two cents at the bottom of this article or by clicking the story link and adding it directly to the discussion.

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Reader Comments From Previous Weeks

House Approves Concealed Carry Reciprocity Bill

First of all having been a victim of two armed robberies and an involvement in a third incident with a mental patient, I think it is imperative we have the constitutional right to carry a concealed weapon across state lines without fear of prosecution. I want to be able to protect myself and my family wherever I go in the USA🤔

~Pamedict


Range Report: Ruger American — Ruger’s Go Anywhere Do Anything Rifle

I bought one as a companion to my Mini-30 because they share magazines. Never deer hunted before getting invited to a Texas camp a month before my 71st birthday. One shot, one deer. Nosler soft point hunting ammo at just under 100 yards. The rifle is perfect for a blind, fun to shoot, and didn’t break the bank. Hopeful for suppressor laws to change because it is loud. Get one for yourself.

~Patrick Vaughan


House Approves Concealed Carry Reciprocity Bill

Hi Chameleon,

Good insight. I’m not so sure about some of it tho, not saying you’re wrong just saying I’ve heard this interpreted differently. For example, ( all of the following assumes this get signed into law) it’s been explained that say I have a TN WCP ( not concealed but weapons carry here in TN) and TN has no magazine size restrictions, if I carry into say NY, I can legally carry concealed (NY is very strict/serious about concealed means concealed) but I am subject to their ccw laws such the 10rd magazine restriction. I have read HR38 and don’t recall seeing this aspect of it addressed specifically.

~Strat


Range Report: Ruger American — Ruger’s Go Anywhere Do Anything Rifle

I have a ranch rifle in 450 Bushmaster… $469.00, with muzzle brake… great rifle, ridiculously accurate, and capable of nearly 3000 ft lbs…

~Neal Tressler


Handguns and the Backcountry

I have had a Ruger Blackhawk .357 Mag that’s been backwoods choice for many years. Still shoots the same as the first day I purchased it. Most reliable handgun I have ever owned. I have shot against .44 Mags and have always come out on top. Can’t say anything against it on any level.

~S. Stuart


House Approves Concealed Carry Reciprocity Bill

Like Mr.Luis said, I too live in Florida and had occasion to travel north to see relatives. As a former northern Ky. Police officer, (years ago)and Fl. ccw holder, I believe it is important to have a standardized CCW law throughout our great country. On occasion I have even had to purchase a great magazine written solely for staying up to date on each state’s CCW laws. Hopefully Congress can see the wisdom of the proposed standardization. Hats off to those who are trying to help our legal gun carrying citizens.

~James O’Neill


Range Report: Springfield .357 SIG with XS Sights

I like SIG 357 round and IMHO it is a way under appreciated cal.
Only fired friends a few times, (250+ or – and found it fit my hand well, was extremely accurate to 50 yards, and definitely rang hanging heavy steel plates.
It was waiting for plate recovery that slowed follow ups not the recoil.
While not a beginnerd round you sure as heck do not need to big nachos to master it.
Have relatives in legal and contractor occupations that went with 357 dig after years of 9mm and 40 cal.

~Hide Behind


Review: Bushnell Enrage Red Dot

Thanks for your comments. I believe the non-magnifying red dot, as a class of optics, is more than just a handy gadget for faster engagement. It’s a boon for aging eyes, on and off the range, on a rifle or a pistol. Learning about your experiences makes me more confident in that theory. Happy hunting!

~Eve


House Approves Concealed Carry Reciprocity Bill

Strat-

I am not an attorney. I am just a geek who is a voracious learner, and am fascinated reading the freakish set of laws and court decisions related to firearms in the United States.

If passed, this WILL BE challenged in court, and at least the 9th Circuit will block enactment. Depending upon timing (AKA who is president at the time of each step of the process), this WILL make it to the Supreme Court, as it will be challenged as a 10th Amendment issue. Let’s hope that we get at least one more justice who has actually read and respects the Constitution appointed to SCOTUS.

“a person … who is carrying a valid identification document …, and who is carrying a valid license or permit … which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm …, may possess or carry a concealed handgun … in any State …”

“any State” in this context is defined as a state that permits Constitutional Concealed Carry OR has a law that allows residents to apply for a license or permit to carry a concealed firearm. Every state meets one or both of these requirements.

“The term ‘handgun’ includes any magazine for use in a handgun and any ammunition loaded into the handgun or its magazine.”

To allay your concerns, the TN WCP is a license needed to carry a handgun in public in TN. This carriage can be open or concealed. This meets the standard of “a law that allows residents to apply for a license or permit to carry a concealed firearm.”

Now to the second part, such as bullet types, magazine capacities and “approved gun lists.” I’ll use California, which is one of the strictest states, and being closest to me, is the one I am most familiar with.

The Firearms Owners’ Protection Act (federal) allows persons to transport firearms and associated magazines they legally own through any state, even if that firearm or magazine is not legal per state law. Every State law that requires a “transit” permit to carry a firearm through a state is explicitly violating FOPA.

“Pursuant to California Penal Code section 25610, a United States citizen over 18 years of age who is not prohibited from firearm possession, and who resides or is temporarily in California, may transport by motor vehicle any handgun provided it is unloaded and locked in the vehicle’s trunk or in a locked container. Furthermore, the handgun must be carried directly to or from any motor vehicle for any lawful purpose and, while being carried must be contained within a locked container.”

California PC 25610 and FOPA allow nonresidents to bring handguns into California subject to the above, even if the handgun is not on the “approved list.” Once in California, CCRA would take precedence, removing the requirement that it be in a locked container under concealed carry reciprocity. Since CCRA applies to all states, there is no point at which the holder would have to box up the gun while crossing a state border.

The part that is nearly impossible to answer at the moment – “high capacity magazines.” California seems to think that magazines with a capacity > 10 rounds are the reincarnated love child of Adolph Hitler and Jeffrey Dahmer. Even though FOPA allows the transport of these magazines, they will be confiscated by CA LEOs, and you will be prosecuted — It’s even worse if you dare to defend yourself with such an evil device. That’s the current state of law, but CCRA will change the whole environment. How it’ll change is anyone’s guess.

Since the CCRA term ‘handgun’ includes ANY magazine and ANY ammunition loaded into the handgun or magazine, California law related to magazine capacity should be null and void for nonresidents of California who bring their handgun and magazines into CA under CCRA.

I have little hope that California will yield, so there’s little chance that CA residents will be able to ever acquire “high capacity magazines” legally in CA under California law. A muddy mess will come from CA residents purchasing these mags in other states, and personally bringing them in under the protection of CCRA.

Washington DC is once again screwed up. CCRA only addresses reciprocity between states. Since DC is not a state, it has no obligation to honor permits from any state.

Now, I’ve outlined what the law says and how the dots are connected. Of course, there will be at least a decade of court proceedings as the various laws get untangled or even more tangled. California and several other states refuse to ignore FOPA, or aggressively watch the razor’s edge, by interpreting things like a stay in a hotel to not meet the criteria of “passing through.” CCRA will be monitored even more aggressively, and states will do their worst at whittling away what CCRA creates.

Thankfully CCRA has some teeth, which will make LEOs, courts and legislators think twice before jumping off the rails:

“When a person successfully asserts this section as a defense in a criminal proceeding, the court shall award the prevailing defendant a reasonable attorney’s fee.” — This is SHALL award, meaning that the court has no choice but to pay.

“A person who is deprived of any right, privilege, or immunity secured by this section, under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage of any State or any political subdivision thereof, may bring an action in any appropriate court against any other person, including a State or political subdivision thereof, who causes the person to be subject to the deprivation, for damages or other appropriate relief.” — This means that the arresting LEO, the chief of police or sheriff and the prosecuting attorney are PERSONALLY liable for violating your rights under CCRA, and police departments, cities or states that enact laws or policies contrary to CCRA can be sued.

~Chameleon


Top 5 States to Avoid with Firearms

I’d be interesting in seeing how many of the potential issues with Illinois could be avoided simply by avoiding Chicago.

(Other than the lack of concealed carry reciprocity, that is)

~Adam


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