Obama Seeks to Link Gun Control to Government Benefits

By Dave Dolbee published on in News

President Obama is seeking to expand gun control through executive action and the back door. All it takes is a phone and a pen to potentially strip the Second Amendment from millions of citizens who have never committed a crime. In fact, the President is looking to equate anyone whose monthly Social Security disability payments is being handled by another (Alternate payee) in the same classification as drug addicts, felons or illegal immigrants. After all, who needs Constitutional protections when you can reinterpret the law through executive action and deny people their constitutional rights?

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The President is redefining the concept of gun control through expanded background checks by looking to existing federal law that restricts firearm ownership of citizens who are unable to manage their own affairs due to “marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or disease.”

This is where it starts to get murky and dangerous for the Second Amendment. What does “marked subnormal intelligence” mean? Mental illness? Condition? Disease? The administration or any bureaucrat can tailor the definition of any of those terms to criteria that would strip millions of their 2A rights. And where would it stop? After applying the new criteria to those receiving benefits from Social Security who would be the next target?

Historical Perspective

The plan to expand background checks is not new, but was not expanded to Social Security for a reason. The 2007 Virginia Tech murders marked 32 deaths by a man who had already been declared by the courts to be mentally ill and ordered to undergo outpatient treatment. At the time, the court order was insufficient to warrant mandatory inclusion into the nation’s database. The database, NICS or National Instant Criminal Background Check System, is a system for determining whether prospective firearms buyers are eligible to legally own or possess a firearm. It was enacted in the early 1990s after being mandated by the Brady Handgun Violence Act.

After Virginia Tech, Congress expanded the reporting requirements, but the Social Security Administration determined it was not required to submit records, according to LaVenia LaVelle, an agency spokeswoman. Now the President wants to force the Social Security Administration to do just that via executive action and without the input or consent of Congress.

Reasonably, there are a few naysayers; political spinsters from the gun control ranks that would accuse us of being radicals and conspiracy theorists. However, we can look to the government for our answers—specifically the Department of Government Affairs. How does the Department of Government Affairs define disease, condition or incompetency? It is not cut and dry, but certainly those suffering from mild forms of PTSD, stress or other traumatic injuries would fit the new criteria.

Currently, there are approximately 4.2 million adults receiving benefits that are managed by a “representative payees.” Taking that to a personal level, my grandmother who is in her 90s could no longer legally posses an heirloom firearm that belonged to my grandfather before he passed a few decades ago. A friend with severe arthritis who has his daughter handle his finances would be barred from ownership. The gentleman has not shot in probably 20 years due to his condition, but he is a semi-retired lawyer (i.e. he is still mentally competent to practice law) and has one helluva gun collection that is still growing. How is he suddenly incapable or unsafe to own a firearm?

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Gun Control v. Gun Rights

The only people in favor of this plan have preconceived gun control agendas. Critics—not just gun rights activists—including mental health experts and advocates for the disabled have blasted the plan stating an expansion of the list of prohibited gun owners based on financial competence is wrongheaded and misinterprets the original meaning of the law. Difficulty balancing a checkbook should not be a reason to strip individuals of their Constitutional rights. Would we suspend their freedom of speech, protection from self-incrimination or force them quarter soldiers in their homes during peacetime under the same guise?

The law was designed to prohibit ownership from someone who has shown a strong tendency or suspicion of being violent, unsafe or dangerous. However, instead of increasing safety and security, the law would have the effect of pushing those seeking treatment or benefits into the shadows—or worse, away from treatment altogether. I have had the pleasure of hunting with dozens of disabled or recovering veterans on industry-sponsored trips over the years. Some had severe disabilities from combat—mental or physical—but all had a strong desire to overcome and regain a sense of normalcy. If President Obama’s plan comes to fruition, memories such as these would be a thing of the past.

 

Eric Hollen, a U.S. Army veteran and Paralympic athlete, competes in a 50-meter pistol competition.

Since when does a blanket decision regarding a disability bar an individual from gun ownership without due process?

A Ray of Hope?

Republicans have introduced legislation to change the policy. The Veterans Second Amendment Protection Act, now under consideration in the House, would require a court to determine that somebody poses a danger before being reported to the background check system. It is time to crank up the machine and remind your congressional representatives that you support the Second Amendment and our veterans.

Where do you come down on the President’s attempt to expand background checks? Share your thoughts and opinions in the comment section.

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  • Secundius

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    Puzzled and Curious: I was able to Track Back the Date of this Presidential Memorandum, to 16 January 2013. WHY IS Congress JUST Acting on it NOW. Two and half years later, and their Just Responding to it NOW. WHAT THE HELL have they’ve been doing for the last 2-1/2-years. Were they just Hoping that if they Wished Hard Enough, It Would Just Go-Away. If someone has a Reasonable Plausible Explanation, I’d Sure Like Too Hear It…

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  • Mikial

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    You know what, I apologize to everyone on here for letting my personal feelings get the better of me as I read comments by people who sit safely in their homes behind a keyboard belittling those who have put their life on the line for them.

    I am sorry of anything I said offended anyone and I will just let people say and be as stupid as they want. It is their right . . . a right paid for by the blood of better men and women.

    I will not reply to anything else of this thread but i will read what is said, and if i have stepped over the line, my sincere apologies.

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    • ss1

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      @Mikial: I’m here for gun technology topics primarily. This constant barrage of political topics from CTD can get you very wound up and stressed out. Please don’t get down on yourself, and please stick around. You’re one of my favorite people.

      As far as your keyboard statement goes, I feel that we’re all Keyboard Cowboys in one way or another. Sometimes it’s fun to join a forum or website where the goal is actually to leave your house and meet the people you’re talking to :)

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    • Mikial

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      Thanks, Brother.

      I’ll break my word enough to say thank you and much appreciated,

      Words of wisdom.

      And I will accept your good advice and just stick to technical gun enthusiast topics.

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  • Dennis

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    Soon, the right to bear arms will only apply to BARE arms.

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  • Gene C.

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    Our forefathers who constructed the foundations of this country with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights never intended to be amended ,ridiculed, dissected, and made a mockery of, the way it has down through the years. The original was good enough for my forefathers and it’s good enough for me. As for gun control, the liberals think that if they take away our guns and right to own guns the problem will be solved. Well, I would bet everything I have that I could lay a whole table full of guns fully loaded, chambered, and cocked and come back in a hundred years, those guns would still be there the same way I left them. The problem is the idiots who are trying to get recognition in papers and on TV. Stop publishing this and keep these goobers in prison where they belong instead of them walking the streets. Another thing about our justice system, when someone commits a murder, put them to death without delay. They gave up all rights they had when they committed the crime. Someone caught stealing, they loose their rights too. First offense they loose a arm, second offense, loose another arm. Guess what… problem solved. They can no longer pick up anything to steal. People will think twice before they commit a crime because they know the consequence. With an over haul of the justice system, the jails and prisons would be almost empty. Think about it…..

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    • Will

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      @ Gene C: I agree with you for the most part, But for the first offense, Cut off his thumb on the hand he used to steal…..Second offense–the hand of his other arm. I can almost assure you….There would be no third time. Ideal in theory…But the bleeding hearts here would consider it too barbaric. Effective, yes. But……

      WILL

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  • Donald Bray

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    Why isn’t he being impeached for failing to uphold the Constitution? Don

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    • Michael

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      @ Donald Bray.

      For WHAT, Hmmm. So far he hasn’t broken any law’s. Public Opinion of his Job Approval Rating, Isn’t an Impeachable Offense of any Law’s that I’m aware of.

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    • Rob Ruk

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      How about Dr./ patient confidentiality, sending VA records to the FBI to take guns away from Vets? That is a law being broken!

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  • RPK

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    What a tool this guy is. Having never served in the armed forces he has NO IDEA what it takes. An honorary title at best in his case, Commander-in-Chief, is laughable. Leaders lead front the front. This guy can not even do it right from the back end.

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    • Michael

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      @ RPK.

      The “Guy” in question was born in 1961, which would have made him 12-years old in 1973, when the Vietnam War ENDED. He was Studying Law at Harvard Law College during the First Gulf War. And in he US Senate, during he Second Gulf War. He’s a Credited University Law Professor in Constitutional Law. He know the Law’s of the United States, better than ANYONE (including “The G-Man”) on this Website. Hell Ted Cruz, was a Adjunct (Paid) Law Professor at the Texas Law School. And he NEVER made it through the First Semester.

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  • WILL

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    @Secundius: Mr. S…I’m afraid you’re right. I never paid close attention in the past to the workings of politicians, but I’ve gotten a clear picture lately of some of the lowlifes (And I don’t bite my tongue when I call them that) who call themselves representatives of the people–especially their constituents–and I will vote to replace them in every future election. If we cannot erase them, then we need to replace them.
    In addition to the prerequisite for POTUS, I feel every politician who runs for office should be required to sign a promissory document to the effect [that] IF elected—should he fail to act (with diligence) on the promises made during campaigning…he will be recalled and replaced. As I said, I know very little about politics, but that doesn’t sound unreasonable to me. Either make good on your promises or you get the boot. Either that, or definitely no 2nd term for you.
    That’s just my opinion.

    WILL.

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    • Secundius

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      @ WILL.

      I live just outside Washington, DC., in Northern Virginia. With transportation available I can be at the Capitol Building in about 20-minutes. I see the CRAP, Up Close and Personal. About 10-years ago, I was in the Capitol with some Friends, in one of the many Viewing Wings that portrays the Past to the Present Art Work. I was just outside one of the Men’s Room’s their, when a Suit came out wearing a Republican Party Pin on his Right Lapel. I never saw the guy before in my life. He tripped over my Wheelchair with me in it. And after Dusting Himself Off, looked at me and said. “I wish your were DEAD” and that all Disabled Veterans were a BURDEN to the Taxpayer’s Money. Something I will take to my Grave. I served this Country, and Now I’m relegated to the Landfill. I’m a Republican, what did I do wrong. My friend’s wanted to throw him, over the Railings onto the floor , about 10-meters below on his “GD’d” Head. That day, I was Never More Ashamed To Be An American. Sec…

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    • Mikial

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      Secundius,

      You’re not the one who should have been ashamed, that disgusting piece of garbage in a suit should have.

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    • Secundius

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      @ Mikial.

      Thanks, I needed that. Sorry, I didn’t respond right away. But memories like that boost my Blood Pressure to Extreme Danger Levels. Had to take a Catapres (Clonidine Hydrochloride) and “Ride” it out the side effects. Sec…

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    • WILL

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      @ Secundius: ?!; ?!; Mr. S…..For some reason, I thought/assumed you were somewhere around the Northwest U. S./ Alaska area. My Aunt worked in the Pentagon and lived in Manassas, more family in Manassas Park, and an uncle in Centerville. My father was a Guard at the National Guard Armory in D C after he retired from the Navy around ’60-’61. I have a cousin a year younger than I who was the president of one of the banks in Manassas….He’s probably retired by now…..Who’d a thunk it? Small world.

      And I feel your contempt for that POS who treated you like that. Had that happened to me…..and I say this with all honesty, I would have done my damnedest to send the SOB on a freefall experience of his life.
      Though I am 90% disabled w/ 50% PTSD, I’m good for one heave before giving out. I think I would have tried to do my best that day. The only thing which would have made it worse would be if you had voted for him prior to the incident.

      AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH: I get so mad sometimes at the arrogance of some elected SOBs once they get in office. Had it happened to me, and were I one of his constituents, be assured……the public would have been apprised of his actions and indifference posthaste. Especially with any witnesses present.

      WILL

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    • Secundius

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      @ WILL.

      I think you mixing me up with “Pete in Alaska”. Nope, A Northern Virginia boy since at least 1962. Just be JFK, got Assassinated, before that Western Europe and the Far East Asia. Sec…

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    • ss1

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      @Secundius:

      I’m very sorry that incident happened to you. That moron will get what is coming to him, if he hasn’t already.

      Please try to forget about that worthless person, or at least don’t let him affect your self esteem in any way.

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    • Secundius

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      @ ss1.

      Glade I could Find You! Question, Are mounting Holes of the Universal M1 Carbine the same as those of a Johnson M1 Carbine. A friend of mine wants to get a “Enforcer” Stock for his Johnson. He likes it better than the Paratrooper Fording Stock.

      I think the Guy was a “One Term Wonder” or a Congressional Assistant. As I said before, I didn’t Recognize Him or see him on one of the many “Talking Heads” programs on Cable. Being in the Capitol, is like being in a Foreign Country. They have their on Rules, and the Capitol Building Police answer ONLY TOO THEM. I ashamed of the Quote, but unfortunately it does apply.

      “America has the best Politicians money can buy. The Democrats and the Republicans are equally corrupt where money is concerns, It’s only in the amount where the Republicans excel”. by Will Rogers, Actor/Cowboy/Humorist. Dated 29 May 1930…

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    • ss1

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      @Secundius:

      I have never owned or shot an M1 Carbine, so I’m sorry I can’t answer your question. In past threads I was always in favor of AK’s.

      Regarding your comment “Being in the Capitol, is like being in a Foreign Country.”……….I have never been there, but from your story and description, and things I’ve seen on TV, I totally believe you.

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    • Secundius

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      @ ss1.

      For some reason, I thought your were in to M1 Carbines. Must have confused you with someone else, it was a “Shot In the Dark” anyway. I never got into either AK’s or AR’s, I’m into Bolt-Actions or ww2 Semi’s like the Garand’s, and some Post WW2 Rifles and Carbines. Yeah, Capitol Hill has gotten to the Point where Real is inside the Capitol Building and Virtual in outside the Capitol Building. Where they feel Safe and Secure, from, US (the People)…

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  • Rob Ruk

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    MOLON LABE!! Not on my watch!

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  • steve b.

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    Guys-if Hillary gets in Gun Rights will be the least of your problems.The current Administration is ok with handing over 150 Billion to a country that has declared war on us! They wont have to develop nukes,they will BUY them.A small nuke across the southern border and obama has realized his goal. The next Pres. needs to have BRASS BALLS.He must be able to communicate to our enemies and work with our friends-especially Israel to contain the nuclear armed self declared enemy of our Blessed country. He must then be able to contain and then control a coming monetary collapse of our economy.So the guy is a slob,what do I care so long as he saves us from destruction obama has planned. Who else could handle it?

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    • Hans

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      @ steve b.

      Since when has Israel been a Ally of the United States? Israel has been selling American Technology to the PRC, since at least 1992. With friends like that, who needs enemies.

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    • Magilla

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      @ steve b.

      Israel an “Ally”, Yeah Right. Try telling that Story Line to the Surviving Crew of the AGTR-5, USS. Liberty.

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    • Rob Ruk

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      When did the Israelis try to fly a plane into a building or bomb an American Embassy? Every President sets the tone for American-Israeli relations and this one fails at diplomacy on every level. if it were not for Israel we would have been hit with an EMP by now. America and Israel share technologies, not all but we do share them. Benjamin Netanyahu cannot rely on this President at all and has to make decisions in light of that, If it were up to Obama he would have given Israel over to the Palestinians.

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    • Hans

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      @ Rob Ruk.

      Between Dick Cheney and Benjamin “Bee Bee” Netanyahu, I don’t which is WORSE. Cheney is Covert and Netanyahu is Overt.

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    • Rob Ruk

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      You have got to be an Obamacrat

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    • Magilla

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      @ Rob Ruk.

      What on Earth are you Talking about Sir? Who mentioned anything about an Israeli Plane Attack on a US Embassy.

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    • Mikial

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      @ Hans and Magilla . . .

      So what? Now you’re Iran supporters?

      Israel messed up in 1967. Someone . . either deliberately or out of sheer stupidity ordered that attack on a US ship, and I hope they burn in hell for it. Johnson covered it up to keep the lid on things, but it was messed up.

      A few days ago a US Apache had a friendly fire incident in Afghanistan that killed 7 Afghan allies. I’ve personally had to take cover from “friendly” arty fire that would have killed me just as dead as enemy fire.

      Have either of you ever actually been in a war, or do you confine your “combat” to the keyboard. Stuff happens. Deal with it.

      But now you’re going to support the Arabs over Israel in the Mideast. Let me tell you something, if the Muslims destroy Israel, they will be encouraged enough to destroy Europe and the USA next.

      I’ve done assignments in Israel, the West Bank, Beirut and a dozen other places. I’ve seen first hand the rabid hatred of the Muslims for anyone who doesn’t fit their concept of righteousness. Catch a clue!

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    • Rob Ruk

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      Thank you! Cpl Ruk USMC

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    • Mikial

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      No, Rob.

      Thank you!

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    • Magilla

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      @ Mikial.

      The USS Liberty, attack to place ~25 nautical miles off the Egyptian Coast. Several Hundred’s of miles away for Israel in International Waters, no less. NO THREAT WHATSOEVER to Israeli Sovereignty.

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    • Mikial

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      I am fully aware of the circumstances of the attack. Trust me on this. I do not condone it, I do not excuse it, I do not want the people who perpetrated it to get off Scott free. But time moves on and as I said, I hope the people who caused it burn in hell, but the problem today is countering a greater enemy . . . the Muslims.

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    • Rob Ruk

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      So, one incident and you hate Israel? were you or one of your family members affected? Henry Ford loved Hitler and supported him, does that mean we should boycott the Ford Motor Company and blame Ford for the deaths of 6 million Jews? I do not see or understand your reasoning.

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    • Magilla

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      @ Rob Ruk.

      I don’t hate Jews at all sir. But if one of your Top Commander, went “Rouge”, than you have a Very Very Serious Problem, Great Still if and Army, Air Force, and Navy. Followed those Orders, considering NO ONE went to Trial or went to Prison, the Orders had to come for the Very Top of the Government. That means from the Prime Minister Levi Eshkol, himself.

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    • Mikial

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      @Magilla

      If you want to support the Arabs and the IS people, then I suggest you head on over to Syria, or Yemen or Nigeria or Somalia, all places I have either been or supported security programs for people who are working there, and submit yourself to the Islamists.

      Because you are part of the problem. YOU are sitting back and dissing Israel and the USA in favor of these animals.

      So you know what, if you have been there and walked the walk, then I will be happy to discuss this with you until the sun comes up, but if you haven’t been there, haven’t lost friends to IEDs and gunfire and to torture, haven’t seen the bodies floating past in the river, haven’t seen the starving dogs eating bodies by the side of the road . . then you can just keep you pathetic opinions to yourself.

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    • Rob Ruk

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      LBJ escalated the Vietnam war by an incident that never occurred, the Gulf of Tonkin incident. A rogue President. There are plenty of atrocities that have been committed by the U.S. If you abuse an animal you may get 5 years but it is perfectly legal to kill a child in the Mothers womb.

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    • Magilla

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      @ Rob Ruk

      Why not, you want to Boycott Gun Companies and Ammunition Manufacturers, just for Operating in What You Perceive To Be the WRONG STATES. If that’s HYPOCRISY SIR, WHAT IS?

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    • Rob Ruk

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      What are you talking about? Explain please.

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    • G-Man

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      @ Magilla,

      To correct the fallacies in your comment, the USS Liberty was 25nm NW off the Egyptian coastal city of Arish which placed it also within 22nm of Israel, and NOT “Several Hundreds of miles away from Israel” as you’ve claimed.

      Your assertion that the Liberty was “NO THREAT WHATSOEVER to Israeli Sovereignty” might be plausible if you had not excluded extremely important details such as the fact that Israel was in the middle of an intense war that had just began 4 days earlier against an enemy of coalition Arab Countries which included Egypt. The entire area and surrounding water was an active combat zone.

      As a result of the intense conflict, the USS Liberty had been ordered out of the coastal area, but due to communications delays from their command, the ship did not receive the orders until hours after the incident occurred.

      Israel had made quite clear at the onset of the conflict that any unidentifiable ships would be targeted and engaged swiftly. Unfortunately the USS Liberty was not a distinguishable U.S. battle class either, but instead was a common vessel used by several other countries and for commercial shipping as well. This particular ship had been retrofitted for signals intelligence gathering.

      Making matters worse is the Israeli Military having previously encountered and captured Egyptian ships which had disguised their identities with Western markings, thus leading them to think the same of the minimally marked USS Liberty.

      Heavily investigated by both nations, the incident was concluded to have been an unfortunate mistake. Israel took full responsibility that same day and immediately compensated millions to the families of the deceased and to the injured seamen as well as payment for damage to the ship.

      Though conspiracy theorist then and now continue to invoke anger over the incident, periodically declassified documents, which include recordings made by Israeli pilots and tapes intercepted by American intelligence, all continue to indicate this to be a friendly fire accident.

      So you can rewrite history all you want, but I will always make sure the record is set straight.

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    • Magilla

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      @ G-Man.

      The interesting thing about the Incident Sir. Was the fact that the Israeli Commando’s that took the ship (USS. Liberty) were in Israeli Uniforms and the After Action Report’s made clear references of the fact it was a American Naval Ship they boarded and the crew on the ship’s were in fact US Navy personal. Funny isn’t it.

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    • Magilla

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      @ G-man.

      Actually Sir, the Distance is just over 325.8-statue miles. It’s only 22-statue miles, if you count the Sinai Peninsula, as being part of Israel. Which it isn’t.

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    • G-Man

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      @ Magilla,

      No, I find you funny; because no “Israeli Commandos” ever “took the ship”, nor were they ever allowed to “board” it. This was a point of pride made quite clear several times throughout official AARs by both the Captain and crew members.

      The Liberty Captain was so angry by the time Israeli rescue helicopters arrived that he refused their assistance and waved them off. When they continued to hover, the angry Captain even ordered his men to prepare to repel for potential boarders. The Israeli helicopter crews acknowledge this stance and flew off without incident.

      Another documented fact archived in official reports is that once the Israeli torpedo ships realized their mistake they ceased fire immediately and offered the Liberty assistance – to which the Captain also declined.

      Simply put, the well documented record of events from both nations clearly shows that at no time did any Israelis, let alone some commandos, ever board the USS Liberty.

      As for the ship’s location information during the incident, that too is well documented and has never been in dispute by anyone… until you. Regardless, official records most definitely never placed the Liberty anywhere close to your Google map distance estimates in relation to Israel.

      As a matter-of-fact, had they been the hundreds of miles away as you claimed, they would have been in compliance with the relocation order that was received too late and the incident would never have occurred. As it stands, one of the most detrimental aspects that led to the entire event was how that stand-off order arrived too late to make a difference.

      You need to stop researching the Al Jazeera conspiracy specials that have recently flooded the Internet topics and dig deeper for the official record.

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    • Magilla

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      @ G-Man.

      The interestng thing about US History, is. When in the Interest Of National Security, IT NEVER HAPPEN.

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  • Will

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    @ G-Man: And….. on your closing line, I reluctantly agree with you. I just hope that those who {mistakenly] voted for the current (I can’t bring myself to even print his name on a full stomach) occupier of the WH. remember their mistakes–MYSELF INCLUDED [the first time, but definitely not the second]….Kick the female runner to the curb as hard and quickly as possible so that she gets the message loud and clear. Else, I feel we will definitely be headed toward some severe civil unrest such as we have not seen in a century and a half.
    We’ll just have to wait AND SEE.

    WILL

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    • Secundius

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      @ Will.

      Hey Will, Sec here. It basically a Piggyback Rider attached to a Bill. Congress has taken measures to remove Funding from the US Postal Service, Veterans Administration, Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, Wounded Warrior Program, and the act that covers Soldiers & Dependent’s Commissary Privileges. He want’s to see how far Congress is willing to go to GUT the Programs. Congress can’t act on One Without Acting On the Other. Sec…

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