NRA A+ Rated Republican Announces New Gun Control Measure

By Dave Dolbee published on in General, News

It is not often The Shooter’s Log finds new gun control legislation being offered by the Republicans. Even more rare is a Senator with an NRA A+ rating proposing new gun control measures. However, before you get your dander standing on end, look at the details and make an informed decision. Then, leave your comments below to give your “informed” two cents.

Sen. John Cornyn

Sen. Cornyn (R-TX) has received an A+ rating for the NRA. His current proposed legislation also has the backing of the NRA.

While millions of gun owners are blamed and slandered by politicians and the media every time there is a high profile shooting, there has been a strong link in each case to mental health that is for the most part, if not completely, ignored. This fact has not evaded the radar screens of gun owners, politicians or the media. The difference has been that the mainstream media and many politicians pushing gun control have chosen to ignore it.

Even pro Second Amendment lawmakers have not taken action on mental health until recently. As a knee-jerk reaction, I would say that was a good thing. Legislation is good when it is well thought out and well reasoned, not when it is slapped together in response to a news headline the day before. That is what makes Sen. John Cornyn’s (No. 2 Republican in the Senate) proposal worthy of a look.

Misleading Measure or Misleading Media?

Cornyn’s proposed the Mental Health and Safe Communities Act, which address the heart of the problem behind high profile mass shootings—mental health. The bill seeks to reward states for sending more information regarding their residents with serious mental health issues to the federal background check system. Beyond simply data collection—because we all know passing a law will not prevent another tragedy—the new proposed bill would also bolster programs designed to treat mentally ill people and handling confrontations with the mentally ill.

“This legislation will strengthen programs that promote preventative screening and crisis response training so that we can better understand and treat the factors which may endanger public safety,” Sen. Cornyn continued. “By giving our communities the resources necessary to recognize and prevent acts of violence, we not only protect American families, but help those affected by mental illness.”

Mental health is a touchy subject. While it sounds common sense on the surface, and is often billed that way by gun control advocates and politicians, the definition is often too broad. Many veterans return from overseas tours carrying a weapon one day with the government’s blessing, then deemed unfit to own a firearm the next when they are stateside. Why? Because they sought needed help for depression or stress and in the process had their rights stripped from them.

ATF Form 4473

Sen. Cornyn’s new bill would not change requirements already in place. It would provide an incentive for states to share mental health information for background checks.

Two years ago, the NRA and Republicans soundly defeated a Senate measure that would have expanded background check requirements; Cornyn was a big factor in ensuring that defeat. Cornyn’s bill will now compete with a new Democrat sponsored bill that was introduced about a week ago. The Democrat-led effort seeks to go much further than Sen. Cornyn’s. Nevertheless, Sen. Cornyn is breaking new ground that has some pro Second Amendment forces wary. He’s marching through seldom-charted territory by a Republican by broaching anything that could be considered gun control.

If the bill passes, some firearm purchases will be stopped. Many Second Amendment proponents do not believe there should be any sort of background check as our rights are granted by the Second Amendment. This has gun owners debating whether this the common sense legislation that is needed, or whether Sen. Cornyn betrayed his NRA A+ rating? Cornyn has a rich history of opposing measures that sought to restrict firearm ownership, but supported others that limited firearm ownership of the mentally ill. This new bill follows that line.

“Gaps in existing law or inadequate resources prevent our communities from taking proactive steps to prevent them from becoming violent,” said Cornyn, R-Texas, in a written statement.

The NRA is backing Cornyn’s proposed bill. This is not much of a surprise. NRA leaders have been on the record for some time stating the high profile shootings are not a gun issues but instead a mental health issues. Will Sen. Cornyn’s bill advance the effort to prevent the next tragedy?

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Jennifer Baker, spokeswoman for NRA legislative affairs, said the bill took “meaningful steps toward fixing the system and making our communities safer.”

Mental Health and Safe Communities Act of 2015

The Mental Health and Safe Communities Act of 2015 is designed to improve outcomes for people with mental health disorders that come in contact with the criminal justice system through a number of actions, including:

  • The authorization of pretrial screening, assessment, and supervision programs to improve outcomes for people with mental illnesses by ensuring they are accurately diagnosed and receive appropriate need-based treatment that focuses on increasing public safety.
  • An increase in the use of treatment-based alternatives to incarceration for people with mental illnesses.
  • The establishment of a pilot program to determine the effectiveness of diverting eligible offenders from federal prosecution, federal probation, or a federal corrections facility, and placing those eligible people in drug or mental health courts.
  • Improvements to reentry programming for people with mental illnesses who are released into the community by authorizing the deployment of Forensic Assertive Community Treatment (FACT) Initiatives, which are designed to ensure that people with mental illnesses receive treatment-based interventions.
  • The expansion of specialized law enforcement crisis intervention teams, which respond to and de-escalate mental health crises for federal law enforcement personnel.

The Mental Health and Safe Communities Act of 2015 also includes reauthorization of the Mentally Ill Offender Treatment and Crime Reduction Act (MIOTCRA), an essential funding mechanism that supports the use of mental health courts and crisis intervention teams in local law enforcement agencies. The bill would extend MIOTCRA for an additional four years, effectively filling critical gaps in the system, including providing additional resources for veterans’ treatment courts to help those suffering from behavioral or post-traumatic stress disorders. The bill also offers broader training during police academies and orientation as well as increased focus on prison- and jail-based transitional services and reentry programs that can help reduce the likelihood of recidivism.

Police Making an Arrest

The Mental Health and Safe Communities Act of 2015 seeks to increase the odds of preventing a mentally ill person from passing a background check through increased mental health reporting.

Would Anything Change?

Arkadi Gerney, a gun policy expert for the liberal Center for American Progress, said prodding states to submit additional data to the background check system is “a good and smart notion,” but it would be better to push broader legislation “that covers all the gaps.”

If the antis agree, but think it does not go far enough, does that mean we should decide or oppose it? The current background check system already bars firearm purchases to people legally determined to be “mentally defective” and those who have been committed to mental institutions. Sen. Cornyn’s new bill would not change this. It would, however, provide more information on individuals who have already met the legal standard to have their gun rights suspended. Currently, states do not have any responsibility to share mental health information. This creates a gap in safeguarding the public versus practices.

“While potentially dangerous mentally-ill individuals are often known to law enforcement and local officials, gaps in existing law or inadequate resources prevent our communities from taking proactive steps to prevent them from becoming violent,” said Sen. Cornyn.

While Cornyn’s bill would not change the law or force state’s to comply, it purportedly would (these details are unconfirmed at this time) increase grants under the government’s main law enforcement program by up to 5 percent for states that send the federal system at least 90 percent of their records on people with serious mental problems. States providing less data could see grants from a broad range of justice programs penalized by the same amounts at the attorneys’ general’s discretion.

Well, that is about the long and short of what we know so far. How would you vote? Share your thoughts and concerns in the comment section.

SLRule

Growing up in Pennsylvania’s game-rich Allegany region, Dave Dolbee was introduced to whitetail hunting at a young age. At age 19 he bought his first bow while serving in the U.S. Navy, and began bowhunting after returning from Operation Desert Shield/Desert Storm. Dave was a sponsored Pro Staff Shooter for several top archery companies during the 1990s and an Olympic hopeful holding up to 16 archery records at one point. During Dave’s writing career, he has written for several smaller publications as well as many major content providers such as Guns & Ammo, Shooting Times, Outdoor Life, Petersen’s Hunting, Rifle Shooter, Petersen’s Bowhunting, Bowhunter, Game & Fish magazines, Handguns, F.O.P Fraternal Order of Police, Archery Business, SHOT Business, OutdoorRoadmap.com, TheGearExpert.com and others. Dave is currently a staff writer for Cheaper Than Dirt!

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  • Rey

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    I totally agree, people who has been diagnosed with any kind of mental illness should not be permitted to have guns

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  • NWCP

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    I have no problem with the Senator’s proposal. If it keeps guns out of the hands of the mentally ill that apparently are slipping through the cracks it works for me. The NICS is not going away so why not make it more effective? As it is if a state doesn’t report the mentally ill to the system nut jobs simply lie on the form and purchase a firearm.

    As long as we protect the rights of returning vets and social security income recipients (the most recent targets of this corrupt administration) the senator’s bill makes good sense.

    I don’t think anyone is in favor of giving a firearm to a mentally deranged individual any more than a convicted violent felon. Let’s protect our Second Amendment rights while at the same time protecting our own communities. That seems reasonable to me.

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    • vector16

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      Any sort of gun control especially new laws are bad for everyone. They do not enforce the laws on the books now so what makes you thing that this is any more than just another attempt to diminish the 2A till it is no more. The guy at the gun store can not tell if someone is a psychopath, a gang banger or a good guy or not. its just about more control.

      I would feel safer with a Marine that just got back with severe PTSD with a AR 15 and a 250 round drum than let the government take my 98 year old grandmothers 10 ga. from her because she needs 24/7 help around the house and is on SSI and a Lt. Gen. pention

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    • Ed

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      Where can you get a 250 round drum mag?

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    • vector16

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      Yes, I have 2

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    • vector16

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      There is a gun shop about 3/4 of a mile north of Aztec rd on the 95 in bullhead city that sells them or at least they did last time I was there.

      Take I-40 and exit J street
      make your way to the 95 and go North
      Aztec is the rd that goes to the AVI if you go left.
      Its the first gun shop on the Right side with a yellow sign in the parking lot.

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    • Robert

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      Just how much does a 250 round drum mag cost?? I realize the old saying applies, “If you have to ask ‘how much’, you probably can’t afford it” … BUT, I gotsta know! 😉

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    • vector16

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      $450.00

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    • Secundius

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      @ vector16.

      Is this for a Saiga-12 Auto Shotgun or a Atchisson AA-12 Fully-Automatic Assault Shotgun???

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    • jckeltz

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      The 2nd part of your comment is confusing. Ask the Kyle family how they feel about someone with PTSD having access to forearms. Not sure where to get one of those 250 round drums you refer to…..where can I get one?

      What stands in the way of the ATF (or any other agency) being advised of mentally ill individuals that should be denied a purchase is HIPPA. Until they relieve the medical community from liability if they release mental health records to any agency outside of the medical ones, the HIPPA mandates will always protect (in their eyes) the afflicted individual. Change the HIPPA laws, then we get somewhere.

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    • Harold Newell

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      The problem with anything that deals with “We the People’s” rights is trust. We have been blindsided more times then then there are hairs on a blind dogs butt.

      In 1994, after retiring from the Marine Corps., I wrote and gave my Senator Dorothy Montgomery what I thought was a fair and good thought out bill for a CCW law. It took ten years of reintroducing the bill and talking to state politicians to get it passed as a law. But in 2004 it was passed.

      75% of the original bill submitted was in the bill but there was a lot of changes. Some good but most bad. During that time I witnessed how the bureaucrats wheel and deal.

      When it comes to allowing any political intervention into our Constitutional rights, we have to be very guarded. Every time there is an opening the liberals will do their best to gain more power over it’s constituency, they will jump on it with anything dealing with peoples rights and the government taking control of our medical privacy to gain more control over us.

      Mental status on people with some mental issues would be used to deny them the right to have a weapon for life. Some of you will say, what is wrong with that? How many people do you know that have been given medication for depression or stress in dealing with some problems? What if being treated for something that is temporary and minor problem, was used to deny a person their rights of self defense.

      I can see a lot of politicians and gun grabbers out there that would use any kind of law like this to deny a person their rights forever. That is the reason people will fight any kind of issues dealing with things like this.2

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    • BillC

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      Cornyn used some of his donation money to support a old Mississippi establishment senator over a conservative loyal republican and used democratic race baiting misinformation against the conservative. Cornyn claims to have a freedomworks person working for him. It appears to be a mole when the establishment tried to co-opt freedomworks. Not trustworthy. .

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    • Charles Newman

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      If there is absolute assurance that all due process requirements are followed, I could support this The implication is that is the case, but it must be clearly stated in the law. Left up to liberals the definition of insane would be any disagreement with them.

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    • vector16

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      I hate to say it but there are too many blind gun owners and too many moderate republicans in this country today. Due process or not its just another gun grab. You say this is something you can get behind but when its your turn to give up your firearms it’ll be unfair and wrong.

      We all need to stand up for our rights as Americans and stop letting the government tell us what they want us to believe and support. I do not agree with the majority of politicians in office today. Republican or dems. they are all on the same page and eat at each others tables. There is not one politician today that actually have the balls to tell the other side to go to hell and take their bill and shove it.

      If you support this non-sense you are also the same person that thought a $20 gift card for your old .357 was a good deal when they did the “buy back programs”. Go ahead and support this. You can also go ahead and surrender your guns now because you will not have then in a few years anyway.

      go ahead and come get my guns, you can have the lead first.

      As good ole Joe says, “fire two blasts through the front door.”

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    • NotChuck

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      Any bill putting more people on the NCIS no-buy list must have language that provides an expeditious way of getting off the list again. This includes not only people being treated for PTSD, but people from states (like Maryland) that retroactively reclassified certain misdemeanors as felonies. Left to the libs, once you’ve been added to the no-buy list, you’ll never get off, even if you’ve completed your treatment or had a spotless record ever since punching somebody in the nose 50 years ago.
      Charles Newman says that, for liberals, the definition of “insane” is any disagreement with them. I agree, but I expect their definition of “insane” will be expanded to include anybody who wants to own a gun!

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    • Bil

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      I’m old enough to remember seeing gun ads in many magazines, such as used milsurp rifles – of all types – for sale for less than $15 shipped to your home. And in doing a cursory search I could find no mass killings, save one, the Texas tower shooting, in which the shooter had a huge brain tumor. In the 1920s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s guns of all types (except fully automatic, after 1934) were cheap, easily available, even to being mailed to your home, and no background checks were needed. Two things have changed since then. Guns have been placed under more and more controls. And mass shootings have risen in number – slightly. All of them committed by mentally ill people. The problem, as we all can see, is that bureaucrats, being in control of medical care, can define mental illness. Which means they can call ’em as they sees ’em. And that is B-A-D.

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    • Mikial

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      @Bill

      You’ve hit on the issue exactly. It isn’t guns that are the problem, it’s the way our government and society treats human beings. I did a research project during my Doctoral program (which I never finished because I got a chance to go to Iraq and do security for DoD contractors, but that’s another story) in which I looked at society and the individual.

      Think about it, people are dehumanized. They have DL numbers, SS numbers, customer numbers, account numbers and on and on. Schools are so disconnected from the kids that teachers are ordered not to have any contact with them outside the classroom. Both parents work and people feel like they are not important and no one cares. People who work their whole lives see illegals and multi-generation welfare families get more than they have. So what happens? They lose it. They go nuts. They become psychos.

      Watch the film Falling Down, it really puts it in perspective. A normal guy who finds himself in one situation after another as he slides down the slope. But the government doesn’t get it. Look how many people on this blog are ready to go out in a blaze of glory when The Man comes for them. Why? Because our government and society continually dehumanize people and try to control every aspect of their lives.

      And it has exactly the opposite effect of what they claim they are trying to do.

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    • G-Man

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      @ Mikial,

      Falling Down is absolutely one my all-time favorite movies. There is just something about that movie that makes it on my short list of “must see once a year” DVDs.

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    • PedleyDan

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      The real problem is the use of psychiatric drugs, which trigger violent conduct as a well-known side effect of the drug itself. Every one of the mass killers has been associated with psychiatric drugs. It is not the mental illness itself; it is the so-called drug treatment that triggers the violence. Be careful here, since this proposed bill mandates more drug treatment, it will result in more violence, not less.

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  • Robert McHugh

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    As usual – this might be a good thing, but since the gun-grabbers can never stop at a point until they reach confiscation for everyone, I would ask – who holds the keys on this one? Doctors? Because I have meet some pretty arrogant Doctors in my time – buttheads, actually. They don’t care about your rights, only that they deem it so – and you follow them without question – because they are the ones with the degree in medicine, although, as in any industry – some are not to bright – many are narcissistic buttheads. It’s apparent that the current administration is going to attempt to link violence with mental health, and in many cases they would be right, except of course if you are just a plain criminal and like to shoot people – This is why the new Surgeon General has this opinion about firearms (why he was appointed) and is against the 2nd amendment. But once again, it doesn’t address the problem. Will this stop mass shooting? maybe some – but at what cost to the rest of the nation? How many people save themselves each year from violent attack with firearms – currently I believe the estimate is up to 2,000,000 (I don’t recall where that one came from). Frankly, we have much bigger targets that would save many lives if they chose to do something about it. We still have 35,000 deaths a year on the highways, and an estimated 200,000 deaths a years in hospitals due to neglect – that might be one (a number they don’t keep a good track of, I wonder why?). But that isn’t really is the point, is it? how can you ask a Doctor to be responsible for this when they themselves are already responsible for so many deaths each year due to negligence (not including abortions…)? The media is very much to blame on these things – they should not report the name of the shooter, ever – it makes them stars (for 15 minutes), they should just call them John Doe and not give them incentive. And one question – Why is it that the last theater person is being called and handled as an active shooter, like the rest – for a pellet gun? The guy obviously knew cops would show up and shoot him – suicide by cop. Why report this, unless you were pushing your narrative?

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    • vector16

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      Yes, he was being called the active shooter. But more importantly he was on SSI and he needed the 3rd party BS. Its all planned out to just reinforce the point and the laws that want to take all means of defense away from the citizen. Its great especially now with Islam fanatics everywhere and wanting to have sharia law in some large cities like Seattle and Denver.

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    • MadRex

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      As a physician I share your concerns about who holds the keys to reporting. It’s true that some of my colleagues are “but threads” as you so eloquently state. There are heavy liberal influences in medical schools and residency training programs these days. If they weren’t pro 2A earlier in life they could be swayed against guns easily. That said however, doctors are also more likely to convert to gun owners if “shown the light” by someone they trust. I’ve made many converts among my friends. What concerns me the most however is yet another layer of responsibility smeared on the doctor to make decisions on. “We” don’t want it. The knee jerk reaction by the majority of docs will be to over report out of fear. Fear of being sued, fear of making the wrong decision, fear of losing one’s income from Medicare and other insurances for under reporting. doctors should be closely involved but not be the only part. There is already precedent when determining someone insane or otherwise incapable of taking care of themselves or being determined a danger to anyone. There is an emergency power status that qualified doctors have to hold someone who is ACTIVELY suicidal or homicidal. Any long term decision requires serial evaluation by more than one specialist and final determination by a judge. I don’t feel we need new legislation. Proper application of existing laws, education of the public and doctors is adequate.

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    • MadRex

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      Sorry, this reply was misplaced.

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    • Mikial

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      And you don’t see many mainstream media stories pointing out that it was a pellet gun. Honest reporting would hurt their gun control Liberal agenda.

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  • vector16

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    The thing that really gets me, I know there are a lot of people that don’t believe is conspiracy theories but check this out.

    Every time there is a gun control bill up for vote within a week a week or two, there is all ways a shooting involving exactly what they are trying to ban whether it be the AR, military style weapons, semi auto’s, mentally ill, people on SSI that need third party assistance etc… one day before this bill started there was a mentally ill man that just so happened to on SSID and had to have a third party manage his financial well being. Two days ago there was another movie theater attach involving the same M.O. luckily it was an ax and a pellet gun. This occurred 1 day before this bill was introduced. If you do not trust what I am saying do your own research and line up a time table that coincides with these laws that the Dens and Obama are trying to push through.

    How many times did this sort of thing happen with G.W.B as president? It also happened with Clinton in 92′ but not Bush sr. or Regan for that matter.

    Please write your congressmen and even those congress men that are not even in your state. B.O. will use is pen and rewrite the constitution if we don’t stand up and make a big fuss of it all. Remember the squeaky wheel gets the grease, that’s how all this commi and socialist crap is getting past. Think about it.

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    • G-Man

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      @ vector16,

      Well, actually it was Reagan and Brady getting shot by a certifiable madman (John Hinckley, Jr.) that led to the passage of the Brady Bill, thus forcing background checks. Regardless, I get your point and have no problems espousing that at least some of these shootings are the result of conspiracy.

      Does anyone recall the many lawsuits caused by the rash of “False Memory Syndrome” triggered by therapists decades ago? These therapists believed they were uncovering repressed memories of traumatic events when in reality their probing questions, hypnosis, and drugs were found to instead be creating false memories that made them actual believe daddy had been molesting them.

      These people had perfect recall of things that never really happened, and it led them to take action from everything such as suing their parents for millions to revenge murder. If they can do this in otherwise healthy people, just imagine what a determined effort by the government could accomplish with a truly psychotic person.

      Every day people are in the business of mentally influencing other’s minds in incredible ways. And they are quite successful at it. We call it TV commercials and salesmanship. Millions are spent to make people think they want or need something they can really do without, and often to the point of putting them in extreme debt.

      There is no escaping it – everything from a marriage proposal to convincing your kid to clean their room is a form of mental influence perpetrated by one person upon another. Every single day Congress is in session, whether they are a Senator or lobbyists, that is all they are doing is working to influence and persuade another to vote with them or for their bill. And when they work in concert with one another to accomplish their goals, is that not a form of conspiracy?

      So most certainly I agree with your assessment that many of these shootings have much more behind them than just coincidence.

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    • Mikial

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      @G-Man

      Extremely well put, as usual.

      I was working Probation back when all this regression therapy and subsequent False Memory Syndrome crap hit the fan. It was a genuine witch hunt and the damage done to the people who were falsely accused was immense. Even those who were acquitted had their lives destroyed because once they were accused, there was a stigma on them forever.

      This kind of law could do the same. As Wayne commented on here, people take meds for a variety or reasons, so how does the incredibly dysfunctional government discern what is really going on? For that matter, it is the government that releases dangerous people.

      Some years ago, again when I was working probation, a young man who had been certified a danger and sent to a resident facility was released because the shrinks figured he had made enough progress. I saw him on the street one day, and although he wasn’t my case I stopped to talk to him. He was creepy, to use a non-professional term, and I expressed that I had some concerns about him to his DFS case officer. But there was nothing that we could do. He had been released and hadn’t committed any offenses. At 6:30am the next morning, he went to a Middle School and murdered a religion class teacher by stabbing him 67 times.

      Our system is broken, and it isn’t guns that are the problem.

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    • MadRex

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      As a physician I share your concerns about who holds the keys to reporting. It’s true that some of my colleagues are “but threads” as you so eloquently state. There are heavy liberal influences in medical schools and residency training programs these days. If they weren’t pro 2A earlier in life they could be swayed against guns easily. That said however, doctors are also more likely to convert to gun owners if “shown the light” by someone they trust. I’ve made many converts among my friends. What concerns me the most however is yet another layer of responsibility smeared on the doctor to make decisions on. “We” don’t want it. The knee jerk reaction by the majority of docs will be to over report out of fear. Fear of being sued, fear of making the wrong decision, fear of losing one’s income from Medicare and other insurances for under reporting. doctors should be closely involved but not be the only part. There is already precedent when determining someone insane or otherwise incapable of taking care of themselves or being determined a danger to anyone. There is an emergency power status that qualified doctors have to hold someone who is ACTIVELY suicidal or homicidal. Any long term decision requires serial evaluation by more than one specialist and final determination by a judge. I don’t feel we need new legislation. Proper application of existing laws, education of the public and doctors is adequate.

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  • PeteDub

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    The problem is not that states withhold information about nutcases. The problem is that families of nutcases withhold information about the nutcases in their families.

    Solving that problem is the only way to address mass killings carried out by psychopaths. Signs saying “no guns” wont stop it and no amount of “gun control” can stop it. The psychopaths themselves must be stopped, and the key to doing that it to prevent family members from protecting them from the “embarrassment” of their mental illness being known.

    I think the answer to that specific barrier is to make family members liable, at least civilly if not criminally, for the murders committed by family members they know are prone to do so.

    As a general rule, though, family members cannot be held liable for the wrongs of other members of their families. But in auto liability law, a crack was created in that general rule under the “family purpose” doctrine. If a child is using vehicle the parents have made available for “family purpose” (like going to the store for the family for example), the parents (and their insurer) can be liable even though the child committed the wrong. By the same general rationale, the “protection” of a psychopath is done for the “family purpose” of avoiding embarrassment” so the parents who do that should be liable for the actions of the psychopath they impose on the rest of the world solely for the purpose of “protecting” the family (to heck with the rest of the world).

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  • dprato

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    I think the road rage and suicide database examples you gave might just be included in the State reports if it were found that these folks were in fact mentally ill. That is why I mentioned in my comments on here that their needs to be due process for anyone denied their 2nd Amendment Rights. I can’t say I disagree with much of what you have said but most of these mass killings have been by people with a history of more than just casual
    mental problems. A number of them have even verbalized their aggressive intent and no one did a thing about it. I agree their are potential pitfalls but I don’t believe this is one of them since it is primarily an incentive system to get people in the various states to comply with existing law. They may or may not be any more successful but I think the information would be useful as long as due process prevails. We have all kinds of crime and as imperfect as it may be we do have a judicial system that works fairly well on balance.

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  • G-Man

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    Creating any type of legislation that even vaguely advocates increasing more government control over guns is extremely misguided and does nothing more than to serve the anti-gun movement.

    Our right to bear arms is the ultimate symbol of our freedom. The philosophical ideologies behind the sponsors of Communism, Marxism, and Dictatorships (take your pick) all know that this is the one American Right above all others that must be abolished in order to successfully conquer and control the population.

    And since they have been unable to decree an outright ban on our guns, they instead must chisel away at it piece by piece through conditioning us with well-crafted social engineering techniques. Some of their craft involves manipulating well-intended Senators into doing their dirty work. It’s quite brilliant actually.

    In this way, they are able to slowly adjust our lives without as much resistance, and ultimately over time and generations, their conditioning weakens our resolve into accepting an ever more expansive government control over ALL aspects of our personal lives.

    Not a senior generation ever passes without speaking about the awful deterioration of ethics and history lost to each newer generation of youth. And so goes each new piece of controlling legislation which becomes our youth’s new conditioned history which eventually buries even the faintest hint of what true freedom once was.

    The litmus test for this particular legislation is quite simple… the remainder of this bill could have just as effectively addressed the mental health of America without ever singling out guns. Per capita there are so many other instruments used over guns by the mentally ill to commit their heinous acts, yet there are no national databases for duct tape, knives, or hatchets.

    The bottom line is that people have lost their perspective and allowed the liberal media to fixate them on gun control as the only solution to a problem, that when viewed in proper perspective, really doesn’t take anywhere near the number of lives as car accidents or suicide.

    This legislation is no a result of a knee-jerk as all the rest. If it were truly sincere, they would for example create a national Suicide Attempt Database or Road Rage Tracking System to ban those people obtaining dangerous weapons as well.

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  • dprato

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    Well first let me say that I believe in the Constitution and respect the fact that you have an opinion different than mine. However, while I do agree that there is a disparity on how these things may be treated you will note I emphasized with due process. I don’t believe anyone should be automatically stripped of their 2nd Amendment Rights simply on a Dr.’s say so. There needs to be a process where the legitimacy of any accusations gets a fair hearing. Right now they are simply using ptsd as a means of stripping veterans of their gun rights.
    I am not in favor of a simple statement from a Dr. but I do think this is definitely the right direction since almost everyone of these mass shootings has involved someone with serious mental issues. I also understand that when you have a President who has no respect for the law it makes people wonder if anyone should follow any laws that are written at this point. If he doesn’t than we shouldn’t. Period

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  • Wayne

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    Vector16, well said, stepping stone. My brother went for help years ago for depression and a nervous breakdown, then things got better and he’s fine now. I take depression meds to sleep, because my neck and back are messed up. So they get their wires croseed about why I take it. Then I guess they’ll come for mine. I think they’ll go after anyone on meds after this passes. Warferine is a depression med, but people use it to quit smoking, good luck America.

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  • steve b.

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    Vector brings up an excellent point.if the gov makes it so problematic to own a gun then that in itself is a form of gun control.Another example of this approach is Obamas approach to energy production .He wants to shut down coal under the guise of environment damage.This will raise the price of energy for the country. Alternative costly energy programs will suddenly appear Obama will subsidize his buddies who will contribute heavily to the Dems. Get it? The smoke screen is being made while the actual plan is to destroy the 2nd.-gun control.

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    • Michael

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      @ steve b.

      If you Passively referring to the Keystone Sand Oil? What do you plan to do the Radioactive Radium Ra-88 Sand, after the Oil has been Filter Out. It’s not like you can Plug a Landfill with the Stuff. And the Radioactive Oil too. Last I heard, you CAN’T Filter Out the Radiation!

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