NJ, VA, NY Voters Want National Gun Registry

By Woody published on in Chronicle, General, Gun Rights, Legal Issues, News, NRA, People, Second Amendment

We often run stories in The Shooter’s Log that point out what anti-gun politicians are doing in some states, and those politicians richly deserve the opprobrium Cheaper Than Dirt! commenters heap on them. But more worrisome is: What if anti-gun pols are merely doing what their constituencies want?

For example: The results of a poll released last week show between 2:1 and 3:1 majorities of people in Virginia, New York and New Jersey support a national gun registry. The joint survey, conducted by Rutgers-Eagleton in New Jersey, Roanoke College in Virginia and Siena College in New York, shows that 74 percent of New Jersey voters favor establishing a national gun registry. The survey shows that 68 percent of New York voters agree with that, as do 63 percent of Virginia voters.

NRA Spokesman Andrew Arulanandam told Emily Miller at the Washington Times that the poll appears skewed.

“Given the exceptionally high numbers of support for President Obama and Hillary Clinton in this poll, it isn’t surprising that there would be high numbers of support for draconian gun control proposals. The poll does seem skewed with too many liberals and Democrats.”

The Institute for Policy and Opinion Research at Roanoke College in Virginia, The Eagleton Center for Public Interest Polling at Rutgers University in New Jersey and The Siena College Research Institute in New York jointly conducted the Roanoke/Rutgers-Eagleton/Siena College Study Feb. 22-28, 2014. None of the colleges said they asked respondents their voting-party affiliations. They asked to “speak to the youngest male in the household over the age of 18,” and they preceded the questions with this statement: “In answering the following questions, imagine that you are a United States Senator and today you must cast a vote either in favor of or opposed to each of the following hypothetically proposed laws, policies or amendments.”

The pollsters then asked questions about legalizing same-sex marriage in all 50 states and if standardized tests should be used to assess public school quality. The third scripted question asked if the respondent was in favor of or opposed to “establishing a national gun registry.”

We would like to hear from shooters across the country but, in particular, states that have voted in more restrictive laws recently.

Are big margins such as the ones reported in these surveys probably accurate, or are they inflated, in your experience?

Is the desire for a national gun registry simply a state-based political difference? That is, would voters in Texas, Utah and Oklahoma be 3:1 against a national gun registry?

If the poll does accurately reflect the views of citizens of those states, how do gun owners stop anti-gun citizens from imposing a national gun registry on shooters?

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  • Mike

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    Also…… I said that GUN REGISTRATION is the map for gun confiscation, not back ground checks! Please read entirely Beau

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    • Beau

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      So YOUR PROOF is some obscure video on Youtube showing a guy in New Jersey last year?

      Is that all you have to support your contention that our gun rights are under attack?

      I’m tired of all this FEAR that only surfaced after Obama got elected. We Americans lost a huge hunk of our RIGHTS under George Bush with his stupidly named ‘patriot act’ and I didn’t see anyone objecting to that, like they are now with the guns issue.

      Look, I’m not for any type of REGISTRY, I just don’t see a problem with keeping the mentally deranged from getting and using their guns. The NRA has an interest in promoting gun sales and scary made-up stories to further their agenda. They have a huge army of lobbyists they’ve paid to stir up this hysteria.

      I am in a weapons related industry, my business supplies manufacturers and holster companies with many parts and since Obama got elected 5 years ago, the industry has exploded with growth and I have benefited greatly. But I call em’ as I see em’, and eventually we’re going to see common sense return, I hope.

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    • bigbluedadeo

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      Not some ‘guy’ but 3 elected NJ legislators during a session at the state house. But go ahead and dismiss it – Obviously you did not read it.
      I don’t need to prove anything to you – you wouldn’t listen anyway.
      I live under draconian gun laws in a state that has very little regard for constitutional rights. All I have to do is read the local paper to know my rights are under attack. New restrictive laws have been introduced on a regular basis – and passed- only the governor’s veto pen has kept those wolves at bay

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    • Steve

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      Just wait, when Obama gets his additional anti-gun laws passed, think he will give.your business a bailout as your sales go down the tubes?

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  • Mike

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    Beau if you don’t support the registry either then what the hell are you arguing for?? lol. Your adding a whole bunch of opinion to a fact based argument that your already on the same side of. I feel like I’m talking to a bunch of the women I dated in the past because your not making any sense but seem to enjoy argument. Glad you can at least admit your on the same side as us for the part we can understand from you.

    Please stop pissing in the wind of fact with opinion if your not going to listen to any of the evidence you asked for. Your wasting everyone’s time. Enjoy the rest of your day.

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    • Don

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      @ Mike,

      This might get moderated away…. but we have all experienced what you said in dating the Fairer Sex. I have wondered if it might be a form of “Foreplay” for the women Folk…. No sense but “enjoying the argument”.

      Jus ‘ sayin

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  • Patrick Soule

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    The final questions posed in the Blog was “If the poll does accurately reflect the views of citizens of those states, how do gun owners stop anti-gun citizens from imposing a national gun registry on shooters?”

    The answer is: The United States of America is a Constitutional REPUBLIC, not a Constitutional Democracy.

    In a Democracy, if 51% of the people say it is so, regardless of what it is, it is so.

    In a Republic, if 51% of the people wish to violate your God given rights, tough cookies for that 51% because their desires NEVER out weight your Rights.

    To that end, I am going to become even more unpopular by stating that ALL GUN LAWS, SUBSEQUENT TO THE 2ND AMENDMENT BEING RATIFIED, ARE ILLEGAL, ARE NULL AND ARE VOID.

    Further, if one is convicted of a Felony, after they are released from jail/prison, they continue to retain their Right to Self Defense. Just because someone was punished for their crime/s does not mean that they have to allow any that attempt to do so, to harm them.

    As to the mentally ill, most are not a harm to themselves or others. Those that are a continual Imminent Threat must not be allowed to cause others that harm and should be institutionalized/incarcerated.

    That is the only stipulation, those that are a Continual Imminent Threat shall be restrained from carrying out that Continual Imminent Threat. All other gun laws, after the ratification of the 2nd Amendment to the Bill of Rights, are Void, Null and Illegal.

    You, and you alone, are responsible for your safety and the safety of your family.
    You must learn how to defend yourself from all threats, up to and including taking the life of one who intends to do harm, if that is what is needed to stop that threat, to you and yours.
    You!
    When your life is in danger and seconds count, the police are minuets away.
    You, are responsible.

    Patrick J. Soule

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  • Don

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    I have been motivated to sign in and comment by some of the posters here who are Advocating for a National Registry of Private firearms.

    Some say they don’t “think” or “Feel” that a National ( Or State ) Registry will lead to Confiscation of Guns. The issue isn’t what these posters “Think” or “Feel”…..the FACT is that virtually EVERYWHERE and at all times in History…..Gun Registration has lead to Gun Confiscation. Everywhere and at everytime.

    Additionally …. the argument is erroneously taken to “opinion” levels. The fact is our Rights are not to be left to opinion or vote….our Natural Rights to Life, Liberty and Self Defence are not subject to polls and illegal laws. We do not depend upon someone’s “Opinion” about what a National Registry will lead to or not.

    This is NOT the discussion….the discussion should be centered around following the Constitution and Bill of Rights … at all points pro-Constitutionalist have to forcefully remind eveeryone of these Rights. And educate those who have NOT been taught them.

    Finally …serving the Country in the Armed Forces does not confer upon someone the final Authority over anyone else about what our Constituion/Bill of Rights /Declaration have established.

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  • Doug French

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    Make mandatory sentences 1st offense ten years hard time with labor no parole…2nd offense 20yars hard time with labor no parole …3rd offense life without parole hard time ….mandatory if 16yeRs of age or older if adult hire young criminal al to do. Rime …have them tried just like they had the weapon …no parole…all adjudicated by computer no favoritism with judges and corruption payoff boys. Easy simple effective gun control. The law abiding citizens are left alone watch crime drop. No democrat elected officials like the clowns that run Chicago or Detroit where is a mess because liberal appointed judges don’t do their jobs. Set up working prisons they produce their own food. Don’t produce too bad ration out food til they become productive. Who cares let the scum live like scum

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  • Beau

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    Negative. It was not Bush, it was Obama that signed the parks bill. Check your facts.

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    • old dorgunr

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      The truth isn’t always what it seems……neither is an distortion.
      “The Bush administration had lifted the ban on concealed weapons in its final months, after pressure from gun rights groups, including the National Rifle Association. But a federal judge blocked the move last year. The Obama administration declined to appeal the ruling, and Congress passed the law. President Obama signed the measure without comment as part of a credit card reform package.”
      Obama just signed it to get part of his agenda knowing in his mind that he didn’t believe in the bill/law.
      It’s called politics.

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    • BigBlueDadEO

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      Look at Old DorGunR! all informed and sh!t.
      Brings the oft quoted John Adams to mind: “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”

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    • old dorgunr

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      BigBlueDadEO……..itty bitty machines?…..or i’ve been married…..or indians,brazilians and machurians

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    • BigBlueDadEO

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      LOL Nope – A mac-guy actually – 3rd generation NYGiants season ticket holder with a big mouth and a chip on his shoulder!

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    • old dorgunr

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      10-4.
      Hope you understand with clarity that my response to Beau was not in support of him.
      I think we’re on the same side of the fence.
      The Giants were my team back in the day…..but when Huff,Robustelli and Tittle retired i lost interest in pro football……yep,that old a doorgunner.

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    • BigBlueDadEO

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      Message recvd loud n clear. fence firmly placed between us and Mr Beau.
      Yer dating yourself there laddie! I Had the opportunity to meet Y.A. at the stadium not too long ago. A great honor- like meeting royalty. My tenure only goes back to the ’75 season @ Shea of all places.

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  • Beau

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    Well, so much for ADULT dialog on this board. Arguing my opinions and well-known facts has gotten me called names and compared to complaining women.

    Y’all take your irrational fears and soak in them for all I care.

    This used to be a better country. I joined the military and in so doing, I agreed to defend your rights to disagree with me. Now I have a bunch of people telling me I’m ignorant because I refuse to be a hater, or believe the BS the NRA spews daily in order to scare people.

    My only consolation is that I have no fear left. War took it out of me, and I’ll say that IF any of you has ever taken a human life with a gun, it will change your opinion about a few things.

    I will not respond anymore here to posts and responses. I’m going out into the sunshine and enjoy my life. I owe it to those I served with that did not return with me and I owe it to all freedom loving people.

    I do not live in fear and nobody’s takin my guns away. Those who disagree just keep buying more and more weapons and ammo and we will see who is correct. I have better, more productive things to do with my time and money, than sit around fearing my government.

    Goodbye

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    • David

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      First, thank you for your military service.

      Second, I’m a front-line combat vet too. It doesn’t make me special at all. Maybe it means I can prove I’m capable of shooting another person, but that’s about it. My conscience is clean and it doesn’t really bother me too much.

      Regardless of the disputes on this site about the style people use to describe their fears, passions and frustrations, there IS a very proven tendency of governments to disarm their people. And that applies historically to democratically elected governments also.

      I think it all comes down to a basic question …. “what are you prepared to do about it?”

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    • William McCollum

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      I don’t have any illusions about my personal defense firearms being of much use against a concerted government effort to confiscate them.

      They WILL be of some use in discouraging the unprepared should there ever be a period when we are without rule of law. I pray that never happens.

      They also provide protection against individuals who might have designs on my property or my family. That, too, I pray never happens.

      I will always be vulnerable to a government that outguns me, but I refuse to be vulnerable to lawless individuals.

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    • Cary

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      Beau,
      I live in Virginia and I’m a member of the NRA. If I didn’t believe they stand for us I would never have joined.
      Even if you think they spew BS be thankful that maybe in some way they are helping you keep your 2A rights. The NRA keeps this issue alive lest we become complacent.
      I understand you may not agree with their methods or reasons for doing what they do but, they have stood for and with the little guy in many cases in court and a lot of these cases have been won. Every win in court is a win for all of us. In these times of uncertainty, we who believe in the 2nd Amendment and the Constitution as a whole need all the help we can get. I can’t think of any other organization that is more in the forefront on the issue of 2A rights.
      The fight for our 2A rights needs leaders. Individuals can be overlooked and dismissed but, large groups of people can’t really be ignored. In my opinion, the NRA is a leader of a large group that must be recognized. I alone don’t have the resources to fight the powers that be but, they do, and I thank them for what they do for us all, member or not.
      By the way, cars can be just as deadly a weapon as a gun in the wrong hands and death by automobiles must be stopped. Auto deaths happen every day. Think of all the lives that could be saved, including children, by enacting a ‘Common Sense’ law requiring background checks before anyone could get a drivers license. How loud would you scream if such a law was enacted. How would this law control unlicensed or impaired drivers, or car thief’s making their getaway. Oh, I forgot, there are already laws on the books that address this. Well maybe we should outlaw any car or truck over 50 pounds and horsepower greater than 10. This will cut down on impact damage and greatly improve survivability. We must also limit the amount of gasoline the vehicle can hold to 2 gallons. If you want a larger gas tank you must be up to something no good. How much gas do you really need to go to the grocery store. Also, no black paint or chrome – too intimidating and frightening to some people.
      There are bad people every where and you can’t control them all no matter how many laws are enacted. The law abiding citizens are the ones that will suffer.

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  • Beau

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    Well, so much for ADULT dialog on this board. Arguing my opinions and well-known facts has gotten me called names and compared to complaining women.

    Y’all take your irrational fears and soak in them for all I care.

    This used to be a better country. I joined the military and in so doing, I agreed to defend your rights to disagree with me. Now I have a bunch of people telling me I’m ignorant because I refuse to be a hater, or believe the BS the NRA spews daily in order to scare people.

    My only consolation is that I have no fear left. War took it out of me, and I’ll say that IF any of you has ever taken a human life with a gun, it will change your opinion about a few things.

    I will not respond anymore here to posts and responses. I’m going out into the sunshine and enjoy my life. I owe it to those I served with that did not return with me and I owe it to all freedom loving people.

    I do not live in fear and nobody’s takin my guns away. Those who disagree just keep buying more and more weapons and ammo and we will see who is correct. I have better, more productive things to do with my time and money, than sit around fearing my government.

    Goodbye

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    • chas

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      The only people who register will be the law abiding citizens, no nut jobs or
      criminals will, so what is going to be accomplished other than more of your privacy being taken away…really is not anyone’s business as to what I have or do not have…

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  • David

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    And there’s the rub. A balding, middle-aged citizen will always be out-gunned by even a mere couple of local patrol officers knocking on his front door while his wife is cooking chili and his children are studying for school. Will he risk his children’s future, and his wife’s financial security by refusing to turn over that AR-15? Probably not.

    But if that happens, then I’d hope I’d have the courage of my forefathers, most of whom were hanged as traitors to George III. I’d hope that I’d have the courage to open fire even in the face of nearly certain death, or, if I did turn over *that* firearm, to hunt down the offenders later in an insurgency. THAT, my friends, is what I meant by “how far will you go”.

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