Have Gun Will Travel… Transporting Your Handgun Across the United States

By Suzanne Wiley published on in Consumer Information

This post is an updated version of the March 27, 2014 post titled Have Gun Will Travel… Transporting Your Handgun Across the United States.

The kids are out of school, longer days have you wistfully staring out the office window, and the summer city heat has you itching to get out-of-town. Yep, summer vacation is right around the corner. Summer is when the majority of Americans choose to take their leisure vacations. The U.S. Travel Association reports that 79% of leisure travel is taken via vehicle rather than air. Flying with handguns is a hassle. It is much more tempting to take your handgun with you if you are driving. Though we go on vacation to relax, have fun, and let our guard down just a little bit, we always need to keep safety in mind.

Picture shows an open concrete road through a plain, a blue sky with whispy clouds and a sign that reads, "open road."

If you plan to be driving through many different states, know each state’s laws and regulations on traveling with a firearm.

You must comply with each state’s firearms transportation laws, whether you have your concealed carry license or not. If you plan to be driving across country or through many different states, you will need to know each state’s laws and regulations on traveling with a firearm. Every state has a different set of laws in regard to how you may transport your guns. While traveling through heavily restricted states, the McClure-Volkmer Act of 1986, an amendment to the Gun Control Act of 1986 gives travelers a “safe passage” through restricted states if guns are unloaded and cased, or locked up, and kept inaccessible with the ammunition stored separately. Unfortunately, this law does not always protect travelers. Police pulled military veteran Lieutenant Augustine Kim over in Washington D.C. with his guns properly cased and stored, and they arrested him for four felonies. (Read the story here.)

The McClure-Volkmer Act however, only protects you if you are passing through a state with minimal essential stops such as fueling up, getting food, an emergency or bathroom break. Longer stops, such as a night in a hotel, visits with friends or family, or stopping at a tourist attraction can lead you to having to comply with all of those states firearms laws. If you decide to stay a night in California while carrying a banned gun, you will be breaking the law.

Laws frequently change. It is always your best bet to check the current laws of the states you are travelling in before heading out.

As of this writing, this is a state-by-state breakdown of the laws in each state in regards to transporting a handgun:

Alabama

Keep your handguns unloaded and cased in the trunk or locked storage area inaccessible to the driver and passengers, unless you have a permit to carry a concealed weapon in your own state. You may only carry a loaded, concealed handgun in your car if you have a permit. You may open carry in Alabama without a permit—certain restrictions apply.

Alabama recognizes all other states’ concealed carry permits.

Alaska

Alaska has Constitutional Carry. A loaded handgun may be carried concealed or open in the vehicle. You may open or conceal carry in Alaska without a permit.

Alaska recognizes all other states’ concealed carry permits.

Arizona

Arizona has Constitutional Carry. You may open or conceal a loaded handgun, even on your body anywhere in the vehicle. You may also open carry in Arizona without a permit—restrictions apply.

Arizona recognizes all other states’ concealed carry permits.

Arkansas

Act 746 changed the language of Arkansas handgun laws. There is contention whether or not the change legally allows “constitutional carry.” Contact your lawyer, Arkansas Carry or your local law enforcement agency for clarification.
The law states:

A person commits the offense of carrying a weapon if he or she possesses a handgun, knife, or club on or about his or her person, in a vehicle occupied by him or her, or otherwise readily available for use with a purpose to attempt to unlawfully employ the handgun, knife, or club as a weapon against a person.

Arkansas recognizes all other states’ concealed carry permits.

California

Handguns must be unloaded, cased and stored in the trunk.

California issues concealed carry permits on an “as needed” basis only and does not recognize any other states’ permits.

Colorado

Rifles, shotguns, and handguns can be stored anywhere in the vehicle. Handguns must be unloaded. Magazines that hold more than 15 rounds are illegal in Colorado. You may open carry in Colorado without a permit—restrictions apply. Do not open carry in Denver without a permit.

Colorado recognizes the following states’ concealed carry permits: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, Georgia, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming

Connecticut

You may carry a handgun through Connecticut without a permit if you are passing through, competing, transporting it for repair, attending training or an organized collector’s group. The handgun must be unloaded, cased and unavailable to the driver and passengers. Magazines that hold more than 10 rounds are illegal in Connecticut.

Connecticut does not recognize any states’ concealed carry permits.

Delaware

You may keep a loaded handgun in the open, in the vehicle or an inaccessible location. You may open carry in Delaware without a permit, however it is highly recommended to exercise caution if you do so.

Delaware recognizes the following states’ concealed carry permits: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Kentucky, Maine, Michigan, Missouri, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Utah and West Virginia

District of Columbia

Guns must be unloaded, cased, and locked in the trunk. It is illegal for a handgun to be stored in the glove compartment or any console.

The District of Columbia does not recognize any states’ concealed carry permits.

Florida

Firearms can be loaded and concealed as long as they are cased and inaccessible, or can be in plain view in a snapped holster.

Florida recognizes the following states’ concealed carry permits: Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Alaska, Iowa, Michigan, Nebraska, South Carolina, West Virginia, Arizona, Idaho, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Dakota, Wyoming, Arkansas, Indiana, Missouri, North Dakota, Tennessee, Colorado, Kansas, Montana, Ohio, Texas, Delaware, Kentucky, New Hampshire, Oklahoma and Utah.

Georgia

Handguns may be unloaded, in a case and separate from ammunition inside the vehicle, or loaded and fully visible, or loaded and stored in the glove compartment, console or any other compartment.

Georgia recognizes the following states’ concealed carry permits: Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Ohio and Wyoming.

Idaho

Picture shows a pile of ammunition in black and white.

Many states require ammo be kept separate from firearms in the vehicle.

If you do not have a permit to carry, loaded guns in the vehicle must be in plain view. If concealed in the glove box, your firearm must be unloaded. You may open carry without a permit in Idaho. Outside city limits, you may conceal carry without a permit if you are engaging in a firearm-related activity.

Idaho recognizes all other states’ concealed carry permits.

Illinois

Firearms must be unloaded, enclosed in a case designed to transport firearms and directly inaccessible.

Illinois does not recognize any other states’ permits.

Indiana

Handguns must be unloaded in a case stored in the trunk, unless you have a permit to carry in your state. If you hold a permit to conceal carry in your home state, you may carry a concealed handgun in the vehicle.

Indiana recognizes all other states’ concealed carry permits.

Iowa

Handguns must be unloaded, cased and inaccessible.

Iowa recognizes all other states’ concealed carry permits.

Kansas

Kansas is a Constitutional Carry state. Your gun may be loaded or unloaded, concealed or in plain view while driving through Kansas.

Kansas recognizes all other states’ concealed carry permits.

Kentucky

Loaded handguns may be concealed in your vehicle if they are kept in the glove box, center console or other compartment that was “originally installed in the motor vehicle by its manufacturer.” You may open carry in Kentucky without a permit—some restrictions apply.

Kentucky recognizes all other states’ concealed carry permits.

Louisiana

Loaded handguns may be transported anywhere in your vehicle. You may open carry without a permit in Louisiana.

Louisiana recognizes the following states’ permits: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming

Maine

If your handgun is inside the vehicle, it must remain unloaded and kept in plain view, or cased and put in the trunk or another inaccessible area. You may carry in Maine openly without a permit.

Maine recognizes the following states’ permits: Delaware, South Dakota, Louisiana, North Dakota, Wyoming, Arkansas, Pennsylvania and Michigan

Maryland

Guns must be unloaded, cased and stored in an inaccessible area.

Maryland does not recognize any other states’ permit.

Massachusetts

Guns must be unloaded, cased and stored in an inaccessible area. Massachusetts has strict gun laws and is a state that will most likely enforce the just “passing through” provision.

Massachusetts does not recognize any other states’ permit.

Michigan

You may only transport loaded handguns through Michigan if you hold a license to carry from your home state. If you do not have a permit, keep the gun unloaded, locked in a case and inaccessible. You may carry openly in Michigan without a permit.

Michigan recognizes all other states’ concealed carry permits.

Minnesota

All guns must be unloaded and securely cased.

Minnesota recognizes the following states’ permits: Alaska, Arkansas, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Missouri, Nevada, New Mexico, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, and Wyoming

Mississippi

A loaded and concealed handgun may be carried anywhere in the vehicle. Open carry of a handgun without a permit is legal in Mississippi. Mississippi has a limited permitless carry law. Off-body carry without a permit is legal. Disabled vets, active duty military and retired law enforcement may carry concealed without a permit.

Mississippi recognizes all other states’ concealed carry permits.

Missouri

A loaded and concealed handgun may be carried anywhere in the vehicle—even on your body. Open carry is generally legal in Missouri without a permit; however, certain cities restrict the practice. Check with the town or city you are in.

Missouri recognizes all other states’ concealed carry permits.

Montana

All guns may be loaded and transported anywhere in the vehicle, even on your body. You may conceal carry in Montana without a permit if you are outside city boundaries, hiking or camping. You may open carry in Montana without a permit.

Montana recognizes the following states’ permits: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, New York City, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming

Nebraska

Depending on where you are in Nebraska, a loaded handgun may be in open view if you do not hold a license to conceal carry. It is best to keep all guns unloaded and stored in the trunk while driving through Nebraska. You may open carry in Nebraska without a permit, however certain areas restrict it. Check with the local laws before carrying.

Nebraska recognizes the following states’ permits: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, District of Columbia, Florida, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming

Nevada

Loaded handguns must be in plain sight or in the glove box but not concealed on your body. You may carry in Nevada openly without a permit.

Nevada recognizes the following states’ permits: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, Idaho, Illinois, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Minnesota, Mississippi Enhanced Permit, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming

New Hampshire

Loaded handguns are not allowed in the vehicle unless you have a concealed carry permit. You may open carry a loaded handgun in New Hampshire without a permit.

New Hampshire recognizes the following states’ permits, only if you are a resident of that state: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Utah, West Virginia and Wyoming

New Jersey

New Jersey has very strict firearms laws. The transportation of firearms is generally illegal in New Jersey unless you have a permit to carry issued from New Jersey. It is best to leave firearms at home if you plan to drive through New Jersey.

New Jersey does not recognize any other states’ permit.

New Mexico

Transportation of firearms in the vehicle is unrestricted. You may conceal or have in plain view a loaded or unloaded handgun. You may carry openly in New Mexico without a permit. Do not carry in an establishment that sells or serves alcohol.

New Mexico recognizes the following states’ permits: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Idaho Enhanced Permit, Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska, New Mexico, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, West Virginia and Wyoming

New York

New York has very strict firearms laws. All guns must be unloaded, cased and stored in an inaccessible location. If stopped, you might have to prove you are not staying in New York if you are transporting a handgun.

New York does not recognize any other states’ permit.

North Carolina

As long as it is in plain sight, you can keep a loaded handgun inside the vehicle. Otherwise, a loaded handgun cannot be concealed or readily accessible inside your vehicle. You can open carry in North Carolina without a permit—restricted areas apply.

North Carolina recognizes all other states’ concealed carry permits.

North Dakota

Handguns inside the vehicle must be unloaded and in plain sight or properly cased and secured. You may only openly carry a loaded handgun without a permit if you are engaged in target shooting, hunting or camping.

North Dakota recognizes the following states’ permits: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming

Ohio

Handguns must be unloaded and in plain sight inside the vehicle or locked in a case. Unless you have a permit to conceal, you may not have a loaded firearm in your car. You may open carry in Ohio without a permit.

Ohio recognizes all states’ permits.

Oklahoma

All guns inside the vehicle must be unloaded in plain view or cased unless you have a concealed carry permit. If you choose to case your firearm, the case must be visible.

Oklahoma recognizes all states’ permits.

Oregon

You may carry a loaded firearm in the car as long as it is not concealed or readily accessible. Each city in Oregon has different laws regarding carrying a loaded firearm in a vehicle.

Oregon does not recognize any other states’ permit.

Pennsylvania

Pennsylvania is a restricted state. All firearms must be unloaded, cased, and stored in an inaccessible location. Pennsylvania is also one of those states that you must be just “passing through” while transporting your firearms. In most places, open carry is legal without a permit, but don’t open carry in Philadelphia.

Pennsylvania recognizes the following states’ permits: Alaska, Arkansas, Colorado, Georgia, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota Class 1 Permit, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, West Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming and Arizona, Florida, Maine, Utah, Virginia for residents of those states only.

Rhode Island

For just “passing through” purposes, you may transport your firearm unloaded, cased and stored in an inaccessible location. Keep ammunition separate in a locked container.

Rhode Island does not recognize any other states’ permit.

South Carolina

It is legal to keep a loaded handgun in the glove box, console or trunk of the vehicle.

South Carolina recognizes the following states’ permits, only if you are a resident of that state: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Idaho Enhanced Permit, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Missouri, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, West Virginia and Wyoming

South Dakota

As long as they are in plain sight, you can have loaded handgun inside the vehicle. Concealed, unloaded handguns are legal if enclosed in a space such as the glove box, center console or trunk. You may open carry in South Dakota without a permit.

South Dakota recognizes the following states’ permits: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, New York City, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming

Tennessee

A loaded firearm can be carried anywhere in your vehicle without a permit, open or concealed, just not on your body.

Tennessee recognizes all states’ permits.

Texas

A loaded handgun may be concealed anywhere in the vehicle.

Texas recognizes the following states’ permits: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, New York City, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio permits issued or renewed on or after March 23, 2015, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, and Wyoming

Utah

A loaded handgun can be transported either concealed or in plain view in the vehicle.

Utah recognizes all states’ permits.

Vermont

Vermont has Constitutional Carry. Handguns may be loaded and concealed in the vehicle without having a permit.

Vermont does not need to recognize any other states’ permits. You may carry a handgun in Vermont concealed or open without a permit.

Virginia

Loaded handguns in the vehicle must be in plain sight or in a closed container such as the glove box. Open carry without a permit is legal in Virginia. However, in urban areas you cannot carry a centerfire handgun that holds more than 20 rounds.

Virginia recognizes the following states’ permits: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Idaho Enhanced Permit, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming

Washington

You may not carry a loaded firearm in your vehicle without a concealed carry license or permit. All firearms need to be unloaded and cased. You may open carry in Washington without a permit with restrictions. You may conceal carry without a permit if you are hunting, fishing, camping or target shooting.

Washington recognizes the following states’ permits: Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan, North Carolina, North Dakota (Class 1 Permit), Ohio, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Utah and Idaho Enhanced Permit only

West Virginia

A loaded handgun must be in plain view. You may open carry without a permit in West Virginia.

West Virginia recognizes the following states’ permits: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia and Wyoming

Wisconsin

No concealed firearms allowed inside the vehicle. Wisconsin has strict regulations as to what is considered concealed. It is best to keep handguns loaded or unloaded in an inaccessible a place. You may open carry in Wisconsin without a permit.

Wisconsin recognizes the following states’ permits: Alaska (permits issued or renewed after January 14, 2013), Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri (permits issued or renewed on or after August, 28, 2013), Montana, Nebraska, Nevada (permits issued or renewed on or after July 1, 2001), New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio (permits issued or renewed on or after March 23, 2015), Pennsylvania, Puerto Rico, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virgin Islands, Virginia (non-resident permit only), Washington, West Virginia (permits issued after June 8, 2012) and Wyoming

Wyoming

Loaded handguns can be carried in your car as long as it is visible and not on your body. You may open carry a handgun in Wyoming without a permit.

Wyoming recognizes the following states’ permits: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, West Virginia and Wisconsin

If you are going to take a road trip across many states, pre-plan your route so you know how to transport your firearms legally. In addition, since laws change frequently, it is best to double-check the current law in the state you will be visiting as to whether or not you may carry your firearm or if you will need to keep it locked up in the hotel safe.

The NRA has a complete “right to carry reciprocity and recognition” map that I highly suggest you look at before heading out with your firearm on your vacation. If you plan on flying this summer, read “How to Survive Flying in the Not-So-Friendly Skies.”

If you know a state law that needs updating from the above information, please tell us in the comment section and provide a link to the changed law.

NOTE: This post was last updated on August 13, 2015 to reflect recent changes in Minnesota, Nevada, North Dakota and West Virginia and Nevada.

SLRule

Introduced to shooting at young age by her older brother, Suzanne Wiley took to the shooting sports and developed a deep love for it over the years. Today, she enjoys plinking with her S&W M&P 15-22, loves revolvers, the 1911, short-barreled AR-15s, and shooting full auto when she gets the chance. Suzanne specializes in writing for the female shooter, beginner shooter, and the modern-day prepper. Suzanne is a staff writer for Cheaper Than Dirt!

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Comments (101)

    • Hunter

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      As helpful as this article is, the truth is you carry where you feel you need to carry, regardless of state lines, signs, or zones.

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    • Monica

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      I have to agree with you.

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    • Azle, Texas

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      As I recall from the Knowles vs Iowa case, officers are not permitted to search a vehicle on a traffic stop. 4th Amend.search – only in pursuit of evidence concerning the offense. Once vehicle is stopped no additional evidence by search can be obtained about the offense of a traffic cite. S.O.F.A. type agreement is that Military are authorized to drive on home state Lic. & plates while assigned away from home state..

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  • Gilbert Boisvert

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    Maine just passed Constitutional carry, same as Vermont. CC licenses will still be available for people who have to travel to reciprocating states.

    It’s nice not to have to beg the gov’t for something that the 2nd Amendment has already granted us, via the Constitution. NH came very close to get CC privilege (rights), but they made a mistake by electing a Democratic governor who vetoed the CC bill which was passed by both NH houses.

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  • Ted Simmons

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    Since I’m from Colorado, I want to point out that the Colorado section has some errors:
    1. Unless I’m missing something major, the “must be unloaded rule only applies to Colorado Parks and Wildlife property, and even in those cases, handguns are specifically excluded from the “must be unloaded” rule. Only Non-handguns must be unloaded. (See C.R.S. 33-6-125 and C.R.S. 18-12)

    2. Only “high capacity” magazines that were purchased after July 1, 2013 are banned. The prosecution has the burden of proof. (See C.R.S. 18-12-302)

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  • RPK

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    Federal Agent…in the extreme stretch of things, could be an Air Marshal, TSA Agent, any agent of the US Armed Forces such as CID, OSI or NIS, someone from the DHS, anyone with investigative credentials within an arm of the Federal Government, DEA, FBI, USMS, USSS, US Postal Inspector, BATFE and the list goes on and on. Hell, even Elvis Presley had the credentials of a Federal DEA Agent! So, before you wig out on IF someone COULD be an actual Federal Agent or Officer, recognize just how broad that field covers. It IS entirely possible G-MAN is a Federal Agent to some degree. Would one throw that out for the general public without official cause or reason…not too likely. Is it still possible? YEPPER, it sure is!

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    • Mitch

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      I got $20 on G-man being a meter maid at Dulles

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    • G-Man

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      @ Mitch,

      I’ll take your money since I’ve already won. I win because you’re not intelligent enough to know that a so-called “meter maid” at Dulles is not a Federal Agent of any sort. They fall under the Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority which provides enforcement under Virginia State Statutes.

      Regardless, I will assume you chose a Parking Enforcement Officer in an effort to be degrading. I find you repugnant to insult such a noble profession, which is still more authority than you could ever hope to possess. Tootles for now…

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    • Mitch

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      Whatever makes your wings flap… You call me unintelligent, yet you have no sarcasm meter installed in your pea sized brain..

      By the way, the “Noble profession” of Meter maid is only noble in that the people doing it pay the mortgage and feed their families… The collection of parking fines supporting who knows what isn’t noble at all…

      By the way, they make almost as much as TSA “Agents”, who are at the bottom of the “Fed” chain, in terms of respect at least…

      You can argue all you want, but it’s clear you have an agenda… Don’t get pulled over and present a fake badge you bought on Ebay… Some real cops don’t like that

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    • G-Man

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      @ Mitch,

      What argument? I annihilated everything you’ve ever posted with facts and you sissy-rant back with utter nonsense because you know you can’t compete. Keep it coming, your quite amusing in a childlike kind of manner…

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    • Mitch

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      Facts about what???

      The only fact is you are a Narcissist… And the simple fact is, you don’t even try to hide it…

      I’m just a retired nobody on a message board that knows enough to put you in your place… I was paid to do it at one time, but now it’s just like busting fake people… Pure entertainment..

      By the way, genius… If you are actually a real Federal Agent, and not some kid that can beat Area 51 on his Nintendo, congrats… Nobody cares… It doesn’t matter if you are the kid that puts mayo on subs at Subway… If you act like you are the best at what you do, people gravitate away from you

      You have a personality disorder… Go to a VA Nursing home and meet some of the last WWII Veterans or Korean Veterans and learn something… Maybe you’ll figure out you don’t own the world

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    • G-Man

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      @ Mitch,

      You keep posting, yet all I read is,

      “Blah blah blah blah blah embarrassingly can’t find anything else to come back with blah blah blah. Blah blah blah hoping detracting from the original topic maybe no one will notice my impotent need to troll blah blah blah. Blah blah blah this G-Man guy so kicked my ass but I can’t let on blah blah blah. Blah blah blah I need a break so I can lick my wounds blah blah blah. Blah blah blah I’ll just make inane off-topic remarks in hopes it will buy me time to come up with something of substance blah blah blah. Blah blah blah maybe an extra paragraph of nonsense will throw of his trail blah blah blah.”

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    • Mitch

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      Oh, you absolutely nailed it, G-Man… You, and you alone are “Cyber ME”… The Badge that is impenetrable… I lay down my arms and walk away, because Cyber ME cannot be defeated… Cyber ME does in fact own the world…

      My Bad

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    • G-Man

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      @ Mitch,

      Finally, you posted something of fact and with real substance. See that wasn’t so hard to acknowledge in the end… now was it? Ultimately your yielding honesty will make you a better man down the road. So with that, I bid you a good night.

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    • Mitch

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      G-Man…

      You should try out for America’s Got Talent… You do have talent… Normal people like me don’t understand, but that is what makes you a special person, don’t let anyone tell you you aren’t special

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    • ExFed

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      I’m a retired G-Man, and just spent some time I’ll never get back reading several of @G-Man posts. Embarrassing. We already get a bad enough rap with the movie/TV stereotypes, and then you have to come out and reinforce it all? Good gravy man, get a grip. It would be very easy to clarify LEOSA issues without being obnoxious. In my experience, you seem a lot less like a G-Man and a lot more like a D-Bag. So to all Shooter’s Log readers, on behalf of G-Men and G-Women everywhere, I apologize.

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    • G-Man

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      To all Shooter’s Log readers,

      Just so you all are aware, ExFed’s apology isn’t sincere. He’s using it as an excuse to invent a reason to jump on the trolling bandwagon to get a lick in because he is still sore at me for tightening his shot group on another forum topic last year.

      Look ExFed, we’ve been through this before. Anyone can read my posts and see I am stern but generally polite until someone first comes off as an authority, and yet still puts out bad information to people. Worse is when they’ll continue to defend their bad info to save face even after they’ve been overwhelmingly proven wrong.

      Yeah I know it is just a forum, but I view it as a disservice when I see how many younger kids are influenced by what they pick up off the Internet and will treat it as if it were God’s spoken word.

      So because of this new drive-thru information era, people that post and claim to be authorities need to also be responsibly accurate or just learn how important it is to simply shut up. Because the toll such disinformation is taking on the younger generation has yet to be fully realized; but I see the damage ever increasing in my daily operations.

      So it is unfortunate that since our last encounter you still don’t get it. Maybe you’ve been out of it far too long to see the world has changed into a very different kind of dangerous – a type of the likes we’ve never seen before. And because of what I’ve seen, that the average citizen never does, I view life as far too precious and serious right now for me to play Mr. Polite and put up with other people’s BS… even to the slightest degree.

      And a parting word of advice back at ya on your forum name… when “Ex” is placed before a titled noun as in “ExFed”, it is intended to indicate termination under less than honorable conditions. You’ll never hear a marine call themselves an ex-Marine. It is customary to us the term “Former” before the proper noun or you’ll get your ass kicked. So unless the shoe fits, I would seriously consider a new forum name.

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    • ExFed

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      G-Man, although I realize you know all and see all, I’m not whoever you got in a scrape with last year and I’ve never posted here before. I was just very disappointed to see the arrogance coming from an apparent federal law enforcement officer. I know you don’t want my opinion, but I see your approach as unnecessary and unhelpful. As for the “ExFed” name, it was just my attempt to be non-specific about my background. I won’t be using it anymore as this is my last post.

      I’ll take you at your word about your rationalization for the attitude, but I’ll also stand behind my apology which was, in fact, very sincere. I retired from the FBI in 2012, and I just hate to see the legacy of many who came before me tarnished.

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  • LameBear

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    Any and all “gun laws” are forbidden by the Constitution – Has anyone actually “read” the Second Amendment?

    “Who are the militia?” – “Why the militia is the whole of the people” – Tench Coxe

    “regulated” ….. clocks are “regulated”, meaning that they are put in “good order” not “restricted by laws” …. Same applies to the militia. The militia is to be in “good order” and “functioning as should be”.

    “being necessary to the security of a free State” – – “against ALL enemies, foreign or domestic” …. how many are sworn to this?

    “The Right of the People” – who are the people? The people ARE the militia.

    “arms” – as defined in 1775, “any MILITARY styled weapon that may be fielded by a crew of three men, or fewer” ….. kind of puts a different light on things doesn’t it?

    “infringement” – definition; ANYTHING that one might be forced to do that one does not wish to do. PERIOD.

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  • Mitch

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    I’m Irish and ugly as a brick, but I can destroy you in any debate, and I apparently already have, Federal… Agent… Man…

    YOU ARE ACTING LIKE A TROLL… That’s all I have to say… Nothing wrong with it if you are a kid or even an adult… But saying you are a Fed and arguing with fellow LEO’s on a message board… ???

    LETS JUST SAY you are actually a Fed… Lets just say you are arguing amongst other LEO’s in various fields… Let’s just say you aren’t a kid in a basement playing some video game, thinking you own the world..

    Lets just say that… I can’t find my way around that, a Fed on the message board ALL DAY long…

    Maybe an actual Fed would read my original post on page 1 and comment, because it benefits everyone… Well, everyone without a giant ego, inflated by a real occupation or not

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    • G-Man

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      @ Mitch:

      Of course in your mind you probably imagine that you’ve DESTROYED everyone you’ve ever engaged in a debate. That just makes you annoying, but by no means triumphant. A legend in your own mine syndrome I would say.

      Where the actual subject matter is concerned in the proper context of this article, what you opine to be nothing more than trolling is actually the point of the forum of which I have diligently engaged and been quite informative to others I might add.

      It is you that is actually trolling under the proper definition. I would like to say I am sorry you can’t discern the difference, but I don’t really care. Ta ta…

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  • Mitch

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    So, 2 days later, and nobody wants to read my comment and know how they can actually get rid of this whole debate by changing the laws in the states… Everybody is lazy and just wants to know how to get from point A to point B… That’s all good, enjoy oppression

    Bonus to all the cops fighting amongst themselves today.. I have known probably 40 cops in my day in the Army Reserve units I was in and a few Federal Agents, and none of them would post on a message board saying so…

    Did you get your badges from a Cracker Jack Box???

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    • G-Man

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      @ Mitch:

      It is quite obvious why it is 2 days later, and nobody wants to read your comment.

      You’ll just have to live with the fact that I am in-fact an active Federal Agent, and yes… here I am posting on a message board saying so.

      And to bury your inaccurate assumption that none would post and say so, I have actually met other agents on this very board and communicated with them offline.

      So deal with it bud.

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    • Mitch

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      HAHA… I don’t give a flying rats ass if you are a Secret… Agent… Man… You are acting like a little child along with all the other (Maybe) LEO’s in this topic…

      If you didn’t make it through Basic Training, but you still have your HS ROTC uniform framed, it’s all good…

      Maybe It’s my bad… Maybe I’m from the TWILIGHT ZONE where people in certain positions believe in OPSEC…

      Based on the fact you didn’t mention one aspect of my original post, you really didn’t make an attempt to read it… It would help everyone on this board that is actually here to find answers, not a pissing match between so called LEO “Professionals”

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    • G-Man

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      Your cute, but still just as irrelevant.

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    • Joe Grant

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      Hey Mitch. I think it is the general opinion her that Gman is a egotist with an over inflated sense of self worth. He is not typical of the Federal agents that I have come in contact with. And having worked in the DC area, I have met quite a few.He’s irrelevant.

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    • Mitch

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      Joe Grant… I grew up with a now actual Fed that thought his stuff didn’t stink from day one… (10 years old on)… Just an absolute arrogant prick that to this day nobody wants to hang out with.. He is the only Fed that I ever met that made me pinch the bridge of my nose when he opened his mouth…

      We only went places with him because we instantly looked better…

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    • Joe Grant

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      I’m betting that Gman has a tee shirt that reads “I am Gman. Listen ye to me and thy shalt be saved.

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    • Mitch

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      Something like that… I’m not sure about the Man part anymore though… Maybe G-Jenner fan

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