Congress Weighs in on Linking Benefits to Gun Control—Act Now!

By Dave Dolbee published on in News

A few weeks ago, the Shooter’s Log reported that the Obama Administration is looking for ways to use the Social Security Administration (SSA) as a backdoor form of gun control. Its plan is to report all individuals who receive SSA benefits via an assigned designated fiduciary recipient. In other words, if you receive SSA benefits and elect to have someone manage your money for you, the Administration wants to equate it to being unfit to possess a firearm.

ATF Form 4473

Form 4473 asks for your height, weight, race, and social security number. However, the Obama Administration is now looking to connect SSA benefits to NICS checks for millions.

This is similar in nature to the model employed by the Veteran’s Administration, which reports to NICS as “adjudicated as a mental defective” beneficiaries who have been assigned a “fiduciary” to manage their benefits. This action by the VA has already subjected a little over 175,000 beneficiaries to NICS as prohibited persons, done without a hearing, due process or any other judicial investigation or finding whatsoever—no violent crimes, no violent tendencies or dangerous behaviors to themselves or others, just a stroke of the pen to strip them of their Second Amendment rights.

Upping the ante, the administration would now target 4.2 million more Americans via the SSA with designated “representative payees.”

Daylight on the Horizon?

Is there daylight on the horizon? Well, not exactly. However, the Second Amendment does have its supporters in Congress. For instance, 20 members of Congress led by Rep. Sam Johnson (R-TX), Chairman of the Social Security Subcommittee of the House Committee on Ways and Means, sent a letter to Carolyn Colvin, acting commissioner of Social Security. The letter pointed out the danger and folly of such action as a “dangerous overreach.”

The letter also puts the Acting Commissioner Colvin on the spot by requesting confirmation of whether or not the SSA intended to pursue the policy. Either way, the Representatives urged the SSA “to abandon any such plan.” Perhaps the letter isn’t the strongest effort, but it is at least a step in the right direction.

SSA Responds

In a letter dated Aug 7, the SSA (Ms. Colvin) responded stating that the “SSA has not provided any names of beneficiaries to the NICS and is not considering sending names based solely on the beneficiaries having representative payees.” That is the good news. The bad news is that Colvin also included a statement that the SSA is currently determining how “[it] must comply with our NICS reporting obligations under Federal law” and “are looking at possible implementation scenarios.” None of those scenarios, according to Colvin, “would refer all SSA beneficiaries with representative payees to the NICS.”

Analysis

Colvin is a bureaucrat, which does not automatically make her untrustworthy, but you have to read between the lines to see some of the danger in her response. For instance, Colvin never said the representative payee would not be used for NICS, just that it would not be the “sole determinant” and not “all” such beneficiaries with representative payees would be reported. That leaves a lot of wiggle room for a bureaucrat. Nor does it address or eliminate the possibility of using some other half-baked criteria to strip recipients of their Second Amendment rights.

Senate Responds

On Aug. 7, 2015, 28 Senators also took up the matter. Led by Sen. Mike Crapo (R-ID) the letter expressed concern and inquired about the SSA’s intention to report beneficiaries with representative payees to NICS—similar to Rep. Johnson’s. “It is not at all clear, how this misguided intention is intended to be carried out, or how SSA will serve as adjudicator of risks posed by beneficiaries utilizing its representative payee system.” The letter went on to request a report “on the basis for SSA’s intention to develop such a plan.” Further, the letter admonished, “Old age or a disability does not make someone a threat to society,” and closed by urging SSA “to halt any steps to provide information on Social Security beneficiaries or Supplemental Security Income recipients to the NICS.”

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The NRA-ILA is fighting for your rights. Whether or not you choose to support the NRA-ILA, Second Amendment Foundation, National Association of Gun Rights or others as your primary organization(s) defend the Second Amendment by getting involved.

The NRA is actively engaging members of Congress for preemptive solutions. As a result, Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) introduced S. 2002. The bill seeks to halt the VA, SSA or any other agency from reporting individuals to NICS without proper due process that legally determines an individual a danger to themselves or others.

Stand Up and Be Heard!

In the meantime, if you have not already registered your concern, your senators and representatives need your support. If they are against the Second Amendment they need to hear you displeasure! Let them know your opinion on the use of the VA and SSA as a wedge to force individuals to choose between benefits and the Second Amendment. You can use the “Write Your Lawmakers” feature at NRAILA.org or call the Congressional Switchboard at (202) 224-3121.

How do you feel about using the administration’s new proposed criteria as data for NICS checks? Share your opinions in the comment section.

SLRule

Growing up in Pennsylvania’s game-rich Allegany region, Dave Dolbee was introduced to whitetail hunting at a young age. At age 19 he bought his first bow while serving in the U.S. Navy, and began bowhunting after returning from Operation Desert Shield/Desert Storm. Dave was a sponsored Pro Staff Shooter for several top archery companies during the 1990s and an Olympic hopeful holding up to 16 archery records at one point. During Dave’s writing career, he has written for several smaller publications as well as many major content providers such as Guns & Ammo, Shooting Times, Outdoor Life, Petersen’s Hunting, Rifle Shooter, Petersen’s Bowhunting, Bowhunter, Game & Fish magazines, Handguns, F.O.P Fraternal Order of Police, Archery Business, SHOT Business, OutdoorRoadmap.com, TheGearExpert.com and others. Dave is currently a staff writer for Cheaper Than Dirt!

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Comments (89)

  • Mike

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    You have a childlike mentality. Your debating skills consist of: “I know you are but what am I.” Did you even finish grade school?

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    • G-Man

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      @ Mike,

      Exactly as I expected you’d do. You did a Google search and found I was right that active duty military personnel can also be Veterans at the same time, so without an argument to mount, you proceed with standard liberal Plan “B”; which is stoop to ad-hominem attacks and insults. Liberals don’t actually have facts to back a Plan “A” so they are only ever left with Plan “B”, which is evident in every single one of your posts.

      Next…

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  • Mike

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    Typical con tactics. What ever you do, claim your opponent did. You have not provided even one source to backup your BS. So now you claim I haven’t proved my case.
    You troll the forum pretending you are different things, yet can’t make up your mind which fantasy you want to be. First you are a vet, then you are still in the military. You can’t be both. Then you are a cop, then FBI, then politician who “writes policy.” If that is true, why did you write the above policy this thread is about?
    Just keep changing your story so you don’t have to prove your original comments. That might fool the weak minded like yourself.

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    • G-Man

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      “First you are a vet, then you are still in the military. You can’t be both.” – Laughing so hard right now at that line. How can you expect anyone to take anything you write seriously when you show how little you know about reality?

      Liberals take what they think they know about a thing and make it their own personal facts for life. Yes little Mikey, in the real world a person can be both active duty military and a veteran at the same time.

      Dude, seriously please stop embarrassing yourself. Actually no, go right on ahead… I find it quite entertaining.

      Next…

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  • Mike

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    That’s it? That’s all you got? Just more babble w/o substance… I’ll put another mark in the win column. Go back to bed moocher!

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    • G-Man

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      @ Mike,

      I never really expected you to accept the American way. But I thought it might just be worth a shot. You have at least proven one thing for certain; you really have not an ounce of courage in you to even try to prove your own accusations. You can keep up the same old evasionary tactics, but that won’t stop the average reader from tracing our conversation from the start and clearly see your immature antics as you try to worm way out of an argument you could never win. Be a real man and actually try to engage me with facts instead of acting like a child with your repetitive liberal nonsense.

      Next…

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  • fair

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    Instead of fighting each other, we need to fight the NRA idiots who are actively lobbying state legislatures to change their state constitutions 2nd Amendment rights from “shall NOT be infringed” to the discretion of some lame gun hating judge. How crazy is that? If you want examples I can provide them!

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  • Chris

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    I’m going through this right now because of New York State. I was involuntarily admitted due to panic attack while on active duty after two deployments, and they were mandated to report me to the NICS. Now that I’m out of the military and no longer in NY state it’s become a run around where no one “knows” what’s going on or does t want to address the issue.

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  • Mike

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    Well I see you’ve been up most of the night rambling on & on about how important you are. LOL. I have dealt w/ your typical con mentality many times. Whenever you feel that you are losing the argument, you change the subject, get personal, etc. You never cite any sources because you have none. You then talk about how important a position you have. When that obviously fails, you switch to how educated you are. Meanwhile, your incoherent babble leads to nowhere.

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    • G-Man

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      @ Mike,

      In this country a man is innocent until proven guilty. Like a prosecutor, you have made the allegations against me in an effort to dispute the facts. So just as in any U.S. Court, the burden of proof is upon you the challenger, not me as the accused. And since you will fail to bring forth the evidence needed to prove your case, you will have no option but to dismiss your allegations.

      Now given your Marxist views cloaked in liberalism I know you will struggle with such an American concept. But given your established support towards the redistribution of others wealth to undeserving crackheads it is just like your type to also expect everyone else to do your labors for you. But the fact remains; we are in America, so the burden of proof is yours and yours alone. Or do you wish to dispute that fact as well? Oh and a little tip, daddy stories aren’t valid proof.

      Next…

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  • Dan

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    Ever notice that when diehard libs don’t get their way they threaten to take it out on seniors in hopes of getting compromise? Please remember this tactic when you go to vote…JUST SAY NO to the libs!

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  • Secundius

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    For God Sake’s, ALL Congress has to do is to have a 2/3-Vote too Nullify Obama’s Presidential Memorandum. What The “F@#king” Problem, they DON’T want to Commit Themselves to a Open Vote. Or just waiting for the US Supreme Court to make a Ruling. Just do like you DID with the ACA Act, Lock and Seal the Doors and Have a “Yea/Nay” Vote with No Name’s Taken…

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  • Mike

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    YAWN… Talk about old slogans. First you complain about them, then you use them. Typical… Speaking of typical, you spent all day babbling & STILL no sources. Just keep changing the subject, maybe that will take attention away from your lame attempt at debating the subject.

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    • G-Man

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      @ Mike,

      Projecting as you’ve done is a definitive sign that you are backed in a corner and don’t know how to get out. You simply couldn’t defend your argument or make a point without me obliterating it with holes every step of the way, and so you have trapped yourself and now look ridiculous as you think you can find a way out with insults.

      It’s obvious you never graduated a psychology course or you’d be aware and quite embarrassed that you display all the classical signs of psychological projection. If you go back and read every post, anyone can see that I have addressed each and every snort you’ve attempted, while it is you that continuously changes the subject and runs.

      Next…

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  • Mike

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    Yes it is true that I do not spend all my free time posting nonsense on the internet like you do. Someone who is such a “big shot” really wouldn’t have the time.
    Your fantasy world is needed because your real life must be pathetic!

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    • G-Man

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      @ Mike

      Well it’s obvious you wouldn’t know how a “big shot” like me can manage their time now would you? You can only ever guess about it. It’s so funny how a person presumes to know a thing about another person’s success when they don’t. So allow me to illuminate your fantasy world. The mere fact I possess the ability to achieve what I have should be some indicator to you that I could possibly also manage some weekend time to hop on a forum during my leisure time.

      Again, your futile attacks are old, boring, and been done to death. It doesn’t surprise me that a person of your mentality is reduced to persisting in ad-hominem tactics because you have no real substance to work with. I will not accept responsibility for your failures because it is simply not my fault. You know the old adage, “You can lead a horse to water…

      Reply

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