Last to Call, First to Jail — Criminals Lie

By Woody published on in General, Safety and Training, Videos

When a Colorado member was confronted by two angry men in a grocery store parking lot, he tried to defuse the situation by showing his firearm. Watch Member Ambassador Sherry Hale explain why our member got arrested—and learn the simple step you can take to avoid a similar fate.

 

Do you think the man in this story did anything else wrong when confronted by the two individuals? What else could, or should, he have done? Share your answers in the comment section.


Check out these other great articles from U.S. Law Shield:

Texas Law Shield Independent Program Attorney Gordon Cooper says that words alone are not enough to justify use of force or deadly force in an escalating situation. But couple them with a threatening action, and it’s a whole ‘nother ballgame. Click to watch the video:

Texas Law Shield Independent Program Attorney Gordon Cooper says that words alone are not enough to justify use of force or deadly force in an escalating situation. But couple them with a threatening action, and it’s a whole ‘nother ballgame. Click to watch the video:

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You might have read some articles or seen headlines about a court upholding a ban on “assault rifles,” including the AR-15. Independent Program Attorneys at the law firm of Walker & Byington, PLLC have received many questions from Members concerned that this ruling has made the AR-15 (and similar semi-automatic firearms) illegal “assault weapons” everywhere in the country. Is this the truth of the matter, or a case of media misinformation?

 

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  • Norm

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    Criminals lie? Thank you Madam Obvious! Let’s not forget that police lie too, and their lies are considered lawful by the courts during pre- and post-arrest investigations. Only on official documents and while under oath in court are they subject to perjury.

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  • jeffrey simmons

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    I feel that if I understood the storey correctly as in the re-enactment, the ccw holder allowed the agitators to get to close. Always have the ceel phone on and ready for use, pics, 911 etc. Don’t hesitate to yell out that you need to have someone call 911 or that you are in need of a witness or someone that can back your claim. Not all of us have cell phones or a good connection. Only shoot as a last resort. I feel he used good judgement by not firing his weapon. Our courts are insane!

    mr. J. simmons

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  • left coast chuck

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    Why didn’t Scott just walk away from the argument? So somebody wants an argument. so what? Unless he was hemmed in and couldn’t get away, which is a wholly different scenario, he could have just walked away and not got involved. His second mistake was in exhibiting his weapon, but then, again, that was part of his ME MACHO MAN problem. Hopefully getting dragged through the system taught Scott a valuable lesson. The best course of action is to walk away from a bad scene. For those of you inclined to retort that is the pansy way, I believe most serious armed defense instructors will emphasize that walking away is always the best course of action. Carrying a firearm is to allow you to defend yourself from deadly attack, not allow you to carry out your macho man fantasies.

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  • BigDawgK9

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    I do like that this incident is shared with your members, but each state has different laws or a local ordnance that can’t easily be known. As a CCW holder we have a duty to remember that just because we carry a gun we also have a duty to verbally diffuse or simply walk away. We also have a duty to report anything regardless of outcome which is clearly evident in this case. Had Scott called 911 to report the incident 99.9% chance he would not have been arrested. 2ndly folks just because you carry a gun, you never brandish or expose it to diffuse, that’s about as foolish as it gets. Now you have advertised you have a gun and now if I am a bad guy either up the Annte by getting to my gun first or bluff to put your guard down and then I make the final assault, take your own gun from you and use it upon you. Foolish behavior and thought to ever show your capabilities, your gun should only be see when you draw it to take care of business. 3rdly Scott needs way more training on CCW, Tactics, Techniques & law. Sadly he isn’t alone, many people are just not prepared physically or mentally to carry a gun. Training Training Training will always be our friend in a stressful situation. Not every scenarios provides a green light that comes on clearly justifying any kind of gun use. This scenario is very vague and not a complete reenactment with language used by the original aggressors, does open up thought process and discussions.

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  • Greg

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    I think you are looking at that wrong, obviously the aggressors didn’t want anything to do with an armed citizen, so open carry probably would have resulted in the initial contact never happening, as they would have picked on a softer target.

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  • Jack

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    Just shoot them if they get too close. Otherwise you will be the one who is dead. Rabid animals need always be put down safely and hopefully, effectively.

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  • Gary m

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    What’s the simple lesson to avoid this??? Video is an ad for legal insurance, but no simple step to avoid…
    Watch Member Ambassador Sherry Hale explain why our member got arrested—and learn the simple step you can take to avoid a similar fate.

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  • Bob W

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    The weapon is the last thing the bad guy should see before he is being shot. In other words, only as a last result. Just walk away. If you can not walk away, that changes things, but the weapon is a very last resort. The only time to display a weapon is prior to being fired. If you have to display it, then your life is in danger. No other time.

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  • TomC

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    OK, how stupid are the people who assembled and posted this video?? Clearly TOO stupid to be running a website!

    Come on. The video runs with background music but no intelligible voice audio. There appears to be a voice audio track, but it is at no more than 10% the level of the music track AND badly distorted.

    And, this isn’t a browser issue — I checked the video using the latest versions of Firefox, Google Chrome, and Microsoft Internet Explorer — all three give exactly the same results.

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    • G-Man

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      @ TomC,

      Lighten up dude. The problem is still with you. I heard it just fine. Obviously your device isn’t decoding the tracks to the video properly. It happens from time-to-time and can be remedied by restarting your device, updating your sound drivers, or rolling back to your previous sound driver because a recent update probably screwed up your sound. But going off on the Law Shield about it is absolutely uncalled for and quite ridiculous.

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  • DaveW

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    Flashing a weapon in an effort to diffuse a situation is as bad as warning someone you are a martial arts black belt. It’s a challenge to either test your truthfulness, or to wait for you in the dark.

    Reminds me of my buddy who stepped on a girl’s foot at a dance. He boyfriend jumped right in with my friend was making improper advances. Then he proceeded to relate how he was a black belt and because his hands were “lethal weapons” the state required him to warn anyone three times and to show them his certification card. He got to the second time when the folding metal chair laid him out on the floor… and it was time to leave…

    Our hand to hand instructor said never let you opponent know what you are able to do. If you can walk away without more than catcalls, do it. If pushed into a corner where you have no option, then you go in with the intent of killing your opponent. The main factor is that if you don’t then you have already lost, and, once your opposition is out of action, you can decide not to kill them, and walk away.

    Anyone can be passive in a confrontation. After you rearrange their parts you can leave them on the floor and walk away passively.

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    • Spencer

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      Good example of why open carry is not a good idea for most of us.

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    • abelhorn

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      I love how you anti open carry people throw away the 2nd Amendment
      well you can give up your rights but be careful when you try to take mine.

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    • Norm

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      Amen to that! Most of the anti-open carry people are parroting the concealed carry industry. What I find most amusing, is nearly all of the concealed carry training companies and videos teach the draw from an unconcealed position. I’ve seen some that teach from concealment, but most are open and on the hip. LOL!

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    • left coast chuck

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      While I don’t see open carry for me, personally, perhaps open carry would have persuaded the two yahoos to seek someone else to harass. Of course, we have no idea what led up to the confrontation, whether Scott was totally innocent and just got jumped by the two just because. That is hard for me to buy into, but It could happen. Assuming he was completely innocent and the two just decided he was a good target for their aggression, open carry may have dissuaded them. OTOH, perhaps not. Who knows what thoughts, if any, run through the pea brains of many of our contemporaries? However, as Robert Heinlein observed, “An armed society is a polite society.” With lots more people carrying, street crime is apparently down in those areas where folks are wont to carry, so perhaps he was correct in his observation. Whereas figures seem to support that street crime is up in those areas where good folk are forbidden to carry, openly or otherwise.

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